 Let me quote Honraval Moses Wehtangula. He said this and I quote, Some parties are having problems because of their internal weak systems. Others are having wrangles instigated by outsiders who finance dissent in stable political parties. End of quote. Then how can we bring, build this internal weak systems in our political parties? The weak systems that he has mentioned. First of all, it will be era term of monumental proportion to suggest that the political parties can be, you know, there are some external forces. It worries me when we talk of small parties that are actually getting into the list of all the parties in Kenya, just in the name of we want to call parties that we need. You know, we talk of we have so many parties. But again, how many parties do we even know? Like when I'm talking about 160, basically maybe you know 5. Now, why do we have these small parties that cannot even gana 20,000 votes across the country? And yet, these are the parties that will be used actually to get into like, you know, reform alliances. Reform coalitions within 20 parties, reform coalitions. If you could not drive out of 47 million Kenyans, Ram, you cannot convince even 0.02%. Why is it that we cannot use the electoral management body to de-register these parties? Because in the first place, based on the number of votes that a party can acquire, it is enough for a party to be de-registered. If you cannot command, you know, there is what we call influence. Example and role is better than precepts. Now, if such a person, you've been given authority to have a political party and your political party, we have 47 counties, we have 290 constituencies. Let me say this Ram. 290 might apply only by 10. You will get 2,900 people. Meaning, these guys cannot even influence one person, one person even in only one vote. Because we have 1,470 votes. So what I'm saying is this. Before Wetangula talks about, you know, the party, rangos, you know, their internal, the internal being a leader, first of all, you... Weak system. Weak system. Meaning, they have a party, but they don't follow their constitution. Because for you to build your party, you must have some guidelines. Do they have a constitution to guide them? Do they have some bylaws? Do they meet regularly to actually deliberate on the progress, the challenges and how to build up this party? So I think we are giving Wetangula much of our credit while he is so vanglorious and somebody who is very narcissistic when it comes to political power play and plot. You know, those are your opinions. If you talk about someone being narcissistic, being a narcissist, well, that is your stand. That is your stand. Do you agree with him? And before I come to Mundalo, there's something you mentioned there about the number of people a party can gather in terms of votes. Yes. So in your belief, what should be the minimum for a party to... in terms of the votes? Simple. Let's say, in each, we have 1,470 votes, okay? Yes. Can you just govern... I mean, can you just gather... Can I say you can gather only 10%? Only 5%? 5% of 2,000... I'm just talking about the elective seats. If you're supposed to be getting 2,000 people, let's say the members of county assembly, there's 10% here as 10% of 2,000. So even 5% for that matter? So if you cannot be running across the 1,500 words and you cannot even get one MCA and you still use this political party to go and negotiate for... or maybe to form a coalition. Which kind of coalition is this? 5% of the total elective seats, we need to re-register them. And there is an act for that. Do you stand with him on that? You see, Ram, first of all, we have a threshold when it comes to the registrable properties. There is a membership that you must achieve you must have offices in at least 24 of the 47 counties. Now the problem is we have a threshold at registration level but then the follow-up has a problem. So many people meet the requirements you need to register the political party but then after you now achieve that you now close the offices and then just run it as a briefcase company you say. So that is the problem that we have. They start strong but they end up weak. They don't start strong, they just meet the requirements of registration. Then after meeting the requirements of registration they now go on to now be able to look at now their personal interest. What Kalmax is saying is calling forming coalitions and negotiations and such kind of things. People who just will be able to spend up to 5 million shillings to register the political party just for the sake of having a negotiation. They are not even interested in Kenyans and the support base. They are not interested. And that's why out of the over 160 political parties that are registered and over 300 that are in stages of registration as you speak most of those parties don't even take party elections.