 I'm Dhamma Stur and I've been working with the FAP project, managing the Vietnam component for the first three years of the project and as part of the final workshop we've been talking about scaling out and I've been given the task to sort of summarize out of the World Forum. What we've talked about very much was talking about the starting point of scaling out. What are we actually going to, what are we scaling out and we've everybody agreed that we do need a success story which is a successful technology, maybe a process which at a particular site has really provided a benefit for farmers, has provided as excited people and people see potential for many other farmers to also take advantage of that success story. The question then from there comes well, if we're scaling out to a larger scale, where do we scale out? Where to do we scale out? It's not going to be appropriate everywhere, although there may be different options, it won't be everywhere so there has to be the question of who's responsible for actually deciding where this gets scaled out to and then there is a big question of who's responsible for the scaling out, who's responsible for facilitating that process and how do we do it? What is the process? Everybody agreed that there was no fixed methodology for doing this but there were some guiding principles and some factors which actually had to fall into place. When we start scaling out, we're moving into a new sphere, we have to involve many, many more stakeholders, many more actors. Everybody agreed on that, it's not just a technology, but it's a process, it becomes in with private sector, it comes in with cattle, trading comes in with input supplies and many, many, many things which have to fall into place, also credits and many, many other things. So in order to do that, we do need political support, we need a lot of support for the idea of doing this so there has to be very clearly in many countries there will have to be good government support, there may be excitement from NGO sector and from other people who also want to do this. One area which we talked a lot about is that we do need to build a lot of capacity for many, many different things, the capacity for targeting, where to move a project, capacity for facilitating this multi and bringing together and facilitating this stakeholder platforms, bringing those people together and very often this will be the task of an extension service but it could also be an NGO and it could be a traders who are doing that as part of their business plans. There is a big role for media and communication in getting the story out, in building consensus that this is something worthwhile doing. So there is many, many aspects to it and there is probably not just one way of doing it but there are many ways. A couple of things we have talked about which are really important is that in bringing different stakeholders together there is a special skill in some ways and those stakeholders who do this really have to be motivated, they have to have some motivation and somehow that all has to come together and somebody has to facilitate that. So somehow the chemistry of the key stakeholders has to fit. If that is not working then it becomes very, very difficult.