 Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to another episode of Dr. Jill Live. I'm here with Jody Cohen, a friend that we have, we're just talking about where we've crossed paths before different conferences and different holistic gatherings. But this is maybe one of the longest conversations we've been able to have and so excited today to learn more from her. I don't know about you, but I'm always looking for solutions that are more gentle. And I know probably many of you out there listening are actually more experts than me in essential oils and today we have a guest who's definitely an expert. Jody is the founder of vibrant blue oils. And I'm going to just pick her brain and learn along with you about some of the great oil blends that she's created and some of the uses that we can do. So a little background, you can find all of my episodes on my YouTube channel, we are actually a number 99 so soon to be 100. And then I know right crazy. 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It's the beautiful blue that cobalt blue that's in the oil the bottles I like that's one of the things I love. You did a really good job I'm just choosing and marketing and I want to know your story but I have a quick question for you. Why vibrant blue oils, what's the what's behind the name how did that come about. My mom loved antique stores, and she kind of convinced my sister and I spend more time and then by getting us to collect things. I always picked symbols and I picked blue bottles, like those old blue glass. Yeah, I always loved I keep them on the windowsill I love when the light shine through I brought them with me, you know, college my whole post college life, and when oils were first introduced to me they came in these blue bottles, and I was like those not interesting like it got my attention. Wow. Yeah, kind of how I started it and then for me you know I had basically been you know I was an athlete and I thought I was eating healthy and then my second kid was a lot harder to wrangle than my first one and it turned out it was certain foods really changed his personality and once I figured that out I really went deep down the rabbit hole because I didn't really discover that until he was three, and the years of kind of trial and error, I couldn't believe it was just food. And so, I went back and got a degree in nutrition was trying to help other moms, you know but kids are wiggly, and they were hard to assess so I live in Seattle and your best year. I took a muscle testing class which I really used as a shortcut to help figure out what's the root cause and what remedy is going to support it. And then my own life kind of fell into disarray my husband. I knew he was depressed but he started getting more depressed than I felt like I could support. And so we moved him to a residential treatment facility and once I knew he was safe and it wasn't my job to keep him alive. And then the adrenaline ran out of gas. Oh, the fighter flights you were kind of going I see that so often Jodi where people just go go go in when the pressure is there and we need to show it for family friends or loved ones or for work, we can like sustain this crazy level right, and then all of a sudden you know something happens, sometimes it's even the death of a loved one where we've been carrying the caregivers out there know how this goes you've been carrying for loved one for years and years and years and then all of a sudden, your body's like, oh, I can rest. And I'm sorry to hear that but obviously it led you to a great place with learning. So what happened after that tell me more about the. I mean, our kids were five and seven and truthfully I had really been single parenting since they were born, but then he was my other child and once I knew he was, you know, going to be okay. I could barely get out of bed I would wake up with the kids make them breakfast pack their lunch drive them to school, come home crawl back into bed and set the alarm for pickup. And nothing you know like, you know with kids like laundry, cooking, cleaning, all of that stuff just felt like so much and I knew nutrition I knew it was my adrenals I was taking every adaptogenic herb I could think of every you know glandular, and everything was really helping. And fortunately, I had been that go go go class parent over achiever, and I had helped a friend with a fundraiser who had actually bought me a big box she was into oil so she came over with this huge box, you know and and after this happened she said you know, you have been so high cortisol for so long which means, you know high inflammation, I bet your gut is so inflamed that nothing you're ingesting is actually getting into your system. You know try these you can smell them you can put them on your skin, and you know desperation is the mother of invention I basically was like I'll try anything muscle tested the box well anything in here help my adrenals got very strong yes. But then I couldn't narrow it down I kept getting the same five oils, which confused me until it occurs to me oh wait a minute they're liquid, I can combine them. And then I started okay seven drops of this five of this, I was brand new to oils I blended them in a shot glass and put them on my adrenal glands on my little back, and I pretty quickly was like oh wait I could go running, you know and the last two weeks like climbing the stairs felt like a lot I'm like, I'm going to just go with it, and I just kept putting it on and kind of kept feeling like myself. And that night I was lying in bed I got the kids to sleep and you know it's so common that when you have adrenal function and exhaustion during the day of course you can't fall asleep at night, you have insomnia on the other side. I had remembered I knew of a kind of GABA remedy that you could put above the ears and I thought well, I wonder if I could apply an oil blend, you know above the ears for the pineal gland. So, I made something up, put it on, don't even remember falling asleep just remember my five year old jumping on the bed and waking me up. I thought okay that's a win that worked. Exactly and I just kept kind of you know when you're in practice for long enough you start to see the blind spots. It's very hard to help people drop into the parasympathetic branch of the nervous system. It's very hard to move lymph there were certain blind spots that I always struggled with and so I had this idea well, let's just see what I can make up so I just kept making things up and feeling better. And when I got to the point where I started to feel like myself my friends wanted to try it. It was working for them they kept saying you should do something with this and I thought someone you know clearly must be doing something with this. So I went online and no one was really looking at oil blends like through the lens of balancing the nervous system and the brain and organs in the body. And they also I realized I was almost grateful that my mental capacity was not what it normally is because when I started researching I realized if I had gone there first I would have felt completely under qualified and probably wouldn't have done it. Yeah. I love that Jodi and that's one of the things I loved when I went to your website after you shared you know we again we've been in the same circles and I was like oh you're doing oils. And my perspective is this what I find for myself and a lot of patients and probably similar to you. I can take the big guns like you know huge remedies and huge supplements that are you know 20 ingredients and super strong. What I've learned over time is that my body as a HSP highly sensitive person if any of you out there know what that means. You can read Elaine Aaron's book and probably both of us are a little bit that way. We're those canaries in the world so we're going to be more environmentally chemical sensitive we're going to be more sensitive to stress and cortisol effects. All of these things even emotions for empaths right and those people like you and I that are in that realm and then working hard and pushing in that we actually do better with remedies that are more gentle. I used to do I remember when I first did mold detox I did binders and all these things and I completely crashed and burned I like trash my system. And I love that you're talking about like lymphatics and we'll talk about histamine is some of these little links that are difficult to overcome. And for many of the patients the tinctures and the things or the herbs that we use are actually too strong. So this is one of the reasons I wanted to bring you on and talk about essential oils because I feel like they're very gentle, but powerful right like the cool thing is they're gentle for those people who are sensitive. I know there's ways to do internal but we're talking mostly topical application right. I actually find topical especially you know it's funny people don't realize this people think it has to get into the bloodstream to be effective so like oh if I put it on my wrist and it has to go to the heart to a whole body. You can use topical on acupuncture points. That is another very gentle but it basically it's gentle and driving towards alignment. It's not too hard to fast. Yeah and again, some of us like myself over time I've learned to a lot better. Now I noticed you mentioned muscle testing and what I find is for patients whether it's intuition muscle testing or some of these ways that are energetically finding what's right. Even though like of course that's not taught in traditional allopathic medical school but there's a power to that and this is where when I'm with myself learning okay what feels like the right thing for me, or checking in with patients there's such a power, because there could be a one size fits all adrenal remedy and for nine of the 10 patients is too strong to weak the wrong thing. And I love to begin your story because it was a very very intuitive way to say these five herbs feel like the right thing for me. And then of course it was. And again I think with oils it's a much more when we go into these realms that are not only external but energetic. Number one like I said they're powerful and number two they're very gentle. And then number three we can often feel what is helping us and what is not versus just the one size fits all kind of thing right. I love how you've done that work. We talked briefly before coming on and there was three big areas that I think our listeners would love to hear about one is about stress parasympathetic adrenals. So we'll go into that first. After that I'd like to talk about histamine and some of the issues with mold and lime and these cases where people have mass selectivation and histamine. And that's a particularly good population because that population has a trouble with things like tinctures and oral stuff so this is a great remedy for them and you can talk about some of the blends that you have, and then sleep is a big one too. You mentioned sleep briefly and adrenals. And before we jump into the parasympathetic adrenals just for those of you listening I'm going to give you just a one minute lecture on adrenals so you know if this is you. So adrenal glands sit on top of our kidneys, they're these little diamond shaped organs and they are stress response organs, and they help buffers from the environment so often what happens is if we have stress or we're taking care of a loved one or we have work hours or children or these things they mount the response and give us that cortisol and allow us to get to the day they produce norepinephrine, which is a noradrenaline and then epinephrine which is adrenaline, and they also produce cortisol. Cortisol is our buffer from environmental toxins and allergens so if we have no cortisol. Number one it's hard to get out of bed like you explained, but it can also be more allergies more histamine response, more asthma to the lower the cortisol you also have more environmental allergies because cortisol is that buffer. So sometimes you might have if you have adrenal issues hard time getting up in the morning like you mentioned I've been there two at times hard time falling asleep you get the second wind and sometimes your curve will go up and then all of a sudden at 9 o'clock 10 o'clock at night you're wired, and you can't fall asleep. Often you wake up at two or three am because your blood sugar is unstable during the night and you'll be wide awake and you can't get back to sleep. Other things are easily overwhelmed, you might crave salt, because your adrenals help to control mineral corticoids so they help to balance electrolytes and hydration. And if the adrenals aren't working you often drink and pee and drink and pee and you can't stay hydrated or you'll crave salt. One other thing common is if you stand up quickly, you'll get dizzy or lightheaded, because it controls the blood pressure. There's more symptoms of that just gives you a groundwork because I bet some of you can be like yeah that's me that's me. So Jodi what would we do what is you obviously create some formulas what will be your top two or three things for adrenals and for the parasympathetic system. First of all, that was the best most detailed tiny summary I've ever heard. So the adrenals are part of the endocrine system and one of the things that people don't realize is that the endocrine system starts with the hypothalamus. I love dogs so no problem. Sorry. Like go mom. Hypothalamus signals your pituitary to tell your adrenals to release cortisol. Right. It's my daughter coming home. Hey sweetie, I'm recording something. So that signal is kind of a two way signal that the hypothalamus is sending signals down to your endocrine glands and then the endocrine brands are sending the signal back up to the hypothalamus to kind of tell you them, you know, we're good so we have a blend actually from the hypothalamus because your phone that can kind of glitch when, you know, too many things are coming in. The hypothalamus can get out of bounds and it's really hard to get remedies into the brain, because the blood brain barrier, everything that's not super small and fat soluble. So essential oils that's one reason you know people smell things and they say it goes directly to that area. I actually like to apply our hypothalamus blend on the third eye. And then we have an adrenal blend that I believe works a little bit like an adaptogenic herb. I feel like it, you know, you mentioned course of items, you know, it's a little bit like Goldilocks right it can be too hot to cold you kind of want it to be just right and it should be high. Of course it should be high in the morning when you wake up so you have energy and start to wane down as you go to bed and sometimes we're completely dysregulated. So the adrenal blend we put on the low back over the adrenal glands to help you know if it's too low it helps bring you up it's too high helps to calm you down so it's just a nice sustaining remedy during the day. So my, my favorite approach you know stress. There are a lot of pathways for stress in the brain right there's the amygdala and the limbic system, the hypothalamus and the endocrine system and then our nervous system is one of the first responders, you know the autonomic nervous system is one of those automatic functions breathing heart rate. And just like your cart has kind of two speeds, if there is danger, be it, you know, a card changing lanes a line chasing you down the street or you turning on the news and being afraid that, you know, you're in danger, your sympathetic branch of your nervous system, the survival branch kind of goes into dominating it jumps into action and resources are allocated towards survival. Bloods routed away from the organs of digestion and detoxification to your arms and limbs so you can run fast your vision actually changes your pupils the black part of your eyes get really big to take in light to make those life or death decisions but you're really capable to access your stronger problem solving your prefrontal cortex so you can't really have a deep thoughtful conversation, you know, with someone when their pupils are really large. And then when the danger passes, you regulate you return to the Paris sympathetic branch of your nervous system and blood is routed back towards digestion and detoxification housekeeping kicks in, and you start to heal. And this is supposed to be fluid you're supposed to be both in sympathetic and then toggle back into Paris sympathetic, but so many of us get stuck in kind of that survival gear and then our delayed maintenance is perpetually delayed. And that's when disease can present so it's the vagus nerve, the longest nerve in our body that most people have never heard of. Sorry, my dogs are making a weird noise. Sorry. I'm back. Anyway, the vagus nerve cranial nerve number 10 that kind of helps it you stimulate the vagus nerve and you can activate the Paris sympathetic nervous system. And there was. Sorry, I'm trying to get I wanted to make sure I'm putting links in our chat so sorry. So, so anyway when I first started playing with oils and I knew from yoga that you know you can activate the vagus nerve from deep breathing splashing your face with cold water gagging yourself with a tongue depressor. But I also knew that this point kind of right behind your love that did it between your love and your bone your master bone was where the vagus nerve was the most accessible to the surface. So there was some research in 2012 at New York neuroscientist named Kevin Tracy was surgically implanting pacemaker like devices in that spot and he was getting a lot of success the FDA has approved that technique for epilepsy migraines and depression. And so when I heard stimulate something a light bulb went off because several oils are stimulatory you know you know this if you were to put it on your skin it might feel hot it might turn red peppermint oregano time rosemary. So I started playing with what what can I use that can stimulate but not burn that actually will you know get into the skin quickly so clove is super stimulatory and actually has this constituent eugenol that is. Kind of the all star favorite in terms of what it can do for your body and your nervous system but it's it's got kind of big medium sized molecules so when you combine it with line. You get this combination of stimulatory gets into the skin quickly and also is less hot so it doesn't necessarily make you feel red or cause irritation. Is that in the parasympathetic is that the. Yeah, that is the parasympathetic blend and what I love about this I mean there are many remedies there's Gabba there are a bunch of things that you can take the common nervous system. But this feels it's such a quick, you know, yeah, really quickly you can carry it in your pocket, even if you're you know in a meeting or a meal and you feel anxious it's kind of subtle so that you can regulate yourself without the world necessarily knowing. And I can attest I have this little darling lavender pouch that I take with me the coffee shop when I'm writing or working. And I have your uplift and your attention and you're all you're focusing focus. Although I can never decide which one I like them all so I kind of sometimes even blend those but, and this is a whole other topic but like for when I want to get into writing or whatever. And then the last five years with stress and everything else my focus isn't quite as crisp. I used to be like a laser focused person I could get into something and stay there for five hours and all of a sudden the time was gone. And I feel like focus is harder than it used to be which is adrenal symptom as well. And so I love the whole other topic but I love your oils for focus as well so like I said bottom line is I carry them around with me. I want to talk to you because I thought, gosh, these are helping me there's going to be other people out there who would like to have access to them they're not that expensive they're easy to carry they're just it's all around great. So we talked about parasympathetic we talked about adrenals where to put those just quickly on my focus and attention. Can you tell me the difference from how you created the focus the attention and the, the three that I mentioned, and then where you put them. The attention was based. It actually was for ADD kids and it's this idea of grounding that a lot of times they're so in their head that they can't get into their body. And you know a lot of the grounding herbs like vetiver the herbs or plants that have really deep roots in the earth. The trees, the cedar, you know, it was a combination of those really grounding herbs that you put on the bottom of the feet so these kids can feel like you're in their bodies. Again, that's kind of activating your parasympathetic nervous system. Yeah, why do you feel safe. Well, interesting is most of the time people think of attention as lack of brain power. It's always if we look at an fMRI it's literally too much activity in the brain. It's not too little. So actually pulling that down and allowing less activity which is what you're that grounding. And I'm just thinking about me when I'm driving I'm like thinking about a million things this would be a great formula for me to apply to my feet before I drive. Smelling it because that's what's so wonderful about plants they have their own energetic frequency. You don't necessarily like this goes back to your intuition point. I give people suggestions, you know, and then you can take that where you want if you're very drawn to put something on your wrist, put it there. You know the bottom of the feet is just one of many places you can apply it on your tailbone you can smell it. So that was the principle behind the attention blend, and then the focus blend that's really interesting. There are so many areas of the brain and it's really the prefrontal cortex that controls the executive function ability to plan to prioritize. It's kind of right behind the forehead, and you know your nostrils, no cells are brain cells and they go directly to that area. So just smelling things there's tons of research on rosemary peppermint, you know, getting vocabulary words and then you smell it again before the test. And that's my favorite because I love peppermint which makes sense because very activating for the brain and so I love that. So let's go I mentioned before because I know a lot of our listeners have all of you listening with the muscle activation. So my favorite talks have been around muscle activation and mold related illness which triggers mast cells and histamine response and allergies and that you have a couple formulas real specific. So let's talk first about the histamine formula, and then I want to talk about the liver gallbladder because that area is so key like you said before we get on here. It doesn't get much respect sometimes right. When I went to Switzerland one of the funnest things that I learned they would, we did a lot of work it was the liver gallbladder detox and they called the liver the queen we need to respect the queen and I love that wording because the liver doesn't get a lot of respect, but it is one of the most important organs in our body in the gallbladders right next to it and that whole detox pathway. So let's talk about your histamine formula and then about liver gallbladder. Yeah, so the history and formula there's this one plant blue tansy that is exceptionally amazing just for kind of modulating the histamine response I, I'm very sensitive I had mold at one point the house is clean now. You know when I walk into a hotel, you know when I walk into a hotel and like, oh, you know, and I actually have a friend who has to bring her tent because sometimes she just can't sleep in the hotel. But I found I have a histamine balance that's high and blue tansy it has a bunch of other herbs, it gets me through, you know, like I put it on the back of the neck behind the ears, the bottom of the feet. I had a bar mitzvah party recently and they had a smoke machine and the bot mitzvah girl apparently was very sensitive her whole face exploded, and her mom was like, oh my gosh and I'm like you know what we turned off the smoke machine. We put the Paris or the histamine around her neck and she was fine, then a matter of minutes. It just helps the body read. It's all about regulation right it just supports a return to balance. And then gallbladder you mentioned like we said before we come on doesn't get a lot of respect that you have a gallbladder formula to and just again real quick lecture for you guys listening gallbladder is your storage organ for bile bile holds cholesterol but it also grabs on the toxins and our bile circulation in the gut is very, very efficient so what happens is we circulate it through the bowels, we reabsorb about 95% of it and we just have this miracle round of toxins. So all things for bile are as if you have poor sluggish bio flow, you will be more toxic, you will potentially get overgrowth of bacteria in the small bowel. So we want bio flow we want, you know, you know, all this pulling out of the toxins. So what do you have for the gallbladder. What I realized is that each organ has its own frequency this is kind of tenants principle as well, but you can plants and humans are bio familiar, and you can combine the different essences of plants match the frequency of healthy organ function. So we have a gallbladder blend that really is helping the gallbladder kind of return to its appropriate healthy frequency. Like, it's slightly complicated but the way I explain it like when you're teaching kids to ride a bike. It's complicated right they have their training wheels and they need to figure out how to balance while moving forward and some kids get it in two seconds. Some kids take two months it's kind of just when the body remembers. This is what it feels like. And that's what we're trying to do by topically overlaying the healthy frequency of both the liver which gives it vitality, and the gallbladder it's just another kind of training wheel or support you know you're taking all the right nutrients and eating them internally, and then from the outside in we're kind of putting the frequency and balance so that the gallbladder can better function and return to regulation more quickly. Love that you would actually apply a little bit of topically to the right upper quadrant which is where you're okay love that. I love to do it with castor oil before bed is kind of read my mind I was just going to say could you do it with castor oil or with a hot a heating pad or something the other pride hints I love that I do. I tell people actually to combine castor oil the oil and then do an epsom salt bath and use that as the heating. Oh, I love that so if you don't know about castor oil packs there's some great resources out there. Thanks once you can wrap around you we probably love that stuff, and then you can apply that castor oil on top of this oil and get more enhanced and that will also help that whole axis kind of dump and excrete and get rid of those toxins and then you want to make sure your bowels are moving because part of the excretion route is through the bowels. And just a tip there if you have constipation or I've struggled with bowel motility magnesium citrate simple easy you can find it anywhere it's a real good gentle bowel mover. So let's talk in our last little bit here about sleep sleep is such a, in fact that's one recently I have a dear friend who struggled with insomnia for years and tried everything. I realized as I was just really thinking through okay how can I help her we've tried meds we've tried herbs we've tried all kinds of things and sometimes they'll work for a short period of time, but then she would you know, either become resistant or and stop working, and I really was thinking deeply and intuitively about it and that's when I was, I think I reached out to you by email and I said, What do you have for sleep, because I realized she's an empath she's a highly sensitive person. And that essential oils will be gentle enough yet more effective than what she's tried and so far. She's having great luck. So what would you recommend yeah with sleep for sleep for someone who's having trouble with sleep. It's funny because I look at sleep as four different challenges and you mentioned one of them the adrenal blood sugar wake up so I say if you're having trouble falling asleep, that is, you know, a cortisol, melatonin issue. Sometimes when your heart is too high, it pushes down your melatonin and it's your peneal gland that releases melatonin, and our perpeneal gland is in the center of the brain, and really susceptible to fluoride to aluminum to all sorts of toxins and so it can get a little calcified, you know, just a little compromised and so the more we can return it to balance so melatonin is great and we have a blend called circadian rhythm that I mentioned. I started with it above the ears and then I realized I put it on the top of the head in the back of the head as well, basically trying to surround the center of the brain without putting it on your face because you're a attorney sleeper. It could get in your eye. Right. So that's my remedy for falling asleep. If you wake up in the middle of the night because you have a blood sugar dip, and there's the adrenals kick out too much. Energy into the blood. We have one for the pancreas that just helps to pull the sugar out of the blood and into the cells that seems to really help people when they have kind of that blood sugar wake up around 1am. And then if you're waking up around three and maybe you use the bathroom and you're a little groggy. That tends to be when your liver and gallbladder are the most active or your hormones and so I recommend the liver and gallbladder before bed you can reapply if you wake up at that time. And that helps people get back to sleep more quickly or even sleep through the night. Wow. I love that because those again you and I know why the liver why the adrenals and all this but if you're just out there listening you're like I can't sleep. You would not necessarily go to the shelf and pick up liver formula right and again I totally get that because I always ask them if you're waking up what time is it in like I said 2am is typically more adrenal axis, and then 3am is more liver detox so that makes perfect sense. But I love that you mentioned that and I love circadian rhythm for the. Now do you also have one specifically called sleep or insomnia I thought there was one other one that's a little. There's another one called sleep and here's what's interesting so best oils for sleep are valerian root which smells like stinky feet and. Which smells slightly better so the sleep line was really kind of a more gentle tranquilizer a lot of people use circadian rhythm and sleep. You know and everyone is like oh lavender is the best lavender has great research but what's fascinating is all the research on lavender for sleep is always in combination with other oils. So lavender is sedative and it combines really well especially with citrus citrus really light and uplifting so the sleep blend is is spiked Nard lavender some of the citrus blends it's a really gentle nice combination and it's I like it for children because it's really calming you know especially my son. You know on the 17th but case Joe wasn't tired so. I'm sure moms out there like okay I want to try some of that for the kids Benadryl right you have the moms at like secretly like I give him some Benadryl. Made him a more hyper we tried that on a renaissance without testing it that was the longest plane ride of my life so. Yeah, definitely paradox school activity for many kids where the anticholinergics antihistamines are hyperactive yeah they cause this hyperactivity. Wow we have been through a lot. One little this is interesting so this is just for like smell what are people what do people feel like it's the best smelling oil that you have is there one that just like it's so deliciously smell. Basically it's it's the small intestine one that I created for boundaries, like I I've really gone down many rabbit holes with Chinese medicine and how organs are connected to emotions like we have one for lungs for grief but. The small intestine support smells like heaven to me, and it could be you know so many of us women were such pleasers we do everything for everyone else, you know, Reese withersfield and she's like, I'm eating a bagel my kids like I want to be oh you want to hear it's all yours. You know but I think it's really we all need to have a little bit more of like, I'm going to finish this and then I will get something for you, you know, polite boundaries so. Oh, boundaries are huge I've done so much work and continue because the same thing all of it and Beth please are all this many men and women out there listening probably I love that I'm gonna have to get that one next from you. Sure. I think it's my everyone that I've given it to things that smells wonderful and then we also have a heart opening blend that people really love. I love that and now when you mentioned even before yoga sometimes you use the heart. And you say but I put a little bit on my heart and yoga and think about it all the downward dog and planking you you smell it the whole practice, you know, and every time you're like that back and just helps you. Yeah. So gosh, I could talk to you for hours the last thing I'm thinking about is just right now you know people are coming out of this crazy two years that seems like, you know, just I was talking to my dentist today I went to get my teeth cleaned and I said I can't remember the last time I got x-rays and realized it was before the pandemic. I said it feels like it's just been yesterday but it's been that long because this pandemic has really made our sense of time kind of warped right because it's like our normal things that mark activities and things like through the year like our vacations and stuff all those markers have been gone. So those people listening who are like either overwhelmed or trying to reorient or any simple remedies or ideas on overwhelm fear or stress and just reorientation to cycles and life and that thoughts on that. That is I am anxiety queen that is my wheelhouse. I think to that with two things. One thing that I learned from a functional neurologist Titus Chu, you know, there's a whole branch of chiropractic health functional neurology that's looking at the different hemispheres of the brain. And he taught me that when I'm having a panic attack or feeling completely overwhelmed, that is my right front to low bright forehead that's overactive. And so the way to balance that is to smell anything anything you have in your house. Wow. It's the spirit that you peel through the left nostril, even though right brain. Left body right nostril goes to right brain left nostril goes to left brain so literally use your thumb to plug your right nostril smell anything through the left nostril usually within three to five breaths you get kind of you know like smell satiation you feel you feel it, your hemisphere is balanced and you feel so much better I, I used to get panic attacks in the supermarket checkout lines and have to like abandon the cart which is so disappointing. But now I can tell you and it's, you know, definitely the more you do it, the results are additive and cumulative so that helps a lot. And then also your parasympathetic nervous system like the more you can do, you can put oil behind your ear, you can use your tongue like a paintbrush and paint the roof of your mouth you can hum. I actually for my book. This is the brain book.com back splash gift and 25 ways to activate it but anything you can do I think that there's so much that's going on that is outside of our control, and that can make us feel overwhelmed or like a victim. But you know, Holocaust survivor Victor Franco like to say this between the stimulus and the response there is a space. And by activating your parasympathetic nervous system, you give yourself that space to give yourself that pause, where you observe whatever you're observing and pause before you react, and you get to choose how you react. You get to realize that you know you, you can choose to be grateful and any moment in time, you can choose to show up as your best self like you are in charge of your reaction and that feels very empowering. Wow, those are some amazing pearls that I think anyone listening at sometime in your life could use. I love that I really really do especially the pause. Like I said, Jodi we could talk for a long time I really enjoyed what you've shared I love what you're doing for the world and bringing this. And thank you so much today for taking the time to talk to us. Any laps less tips or tricks or anything you want to leave with our audience. No if you're if you're new to oils, literally just go to, you know, whole foods and just pick one that you like most people like orange, most people like citrus, just start very small. You can add a few drops to an epsom cell bath you don't need to, you know, if you want pre made formulas we have them but if you're just testing the waters, there's no, you can't do it wrong. I love that because if you're like me I'm like oh I don't want to mess up I don't want to do it wrong and that's even me with a focus and attention like I don't know which one to use but I'm going to use them all. I love it. Oh Jodi, thanks for what you do in the world and thank you for your time today I have really enjoyed it. Thank you so much for having me. You're welcome.