 Welcome everybody to our fan duel NBA draft watch along we are here I'm your host today Brian Fonseca we have an all-star cast that's going to enjoy this draft with you first right below me that is Chantel Shonda I know the last name did I get the last name yeah you got that right okay I got that right Chantel and I we've collabed on fan duel projects mostly on the fight side boxing MMA but you will find us here obviously talking today diagonal from me that is Ryan Hammer one of our NBA draft gurus at fan duel and to my right left I don't know which direction I'm in but John Rothstein from CBS if you follow college basketball you obviously know who this is and he's also a content creator with us in fan duel so how is everybody doing we are here and it is finally draft night it's finally draft night one of the most anticipated nights of the year obviously this is for me like worlds colliding you know I was obviously used to tweeting about you know key games in the Atlantic 10 Richmond's great run to the Atlantic 10 tournament title game and now we're intersecting all that with the NBA so excited obviously for a great night with you guys and here we go yeah I'm feeling good right now I want to know who's going to go number one already because there's been so much talk about that being switched up actually right before the draft begins as well so I'm ready to go and let's see let's just have some fun today guys I think there's some good fits out that we might even be able to talk about yeah I'm word I'm just coming to you guys I think I think of magic about to be on the clock if I'm seeing this correctly but right now that there's five minutes between picks this is the whole game changer yes the magic are definitely gonna take the whole clock it kills everything we need five minutes between picks yeah you are in a situation right where you know you have the first pick they should make the first pick at eight o'clock like what do you need five more minutes to ruminate I just said this they've had a month and a half they've had a month and a half figures out and just now they're like you know what we might just go follow because we saw we're in a purple suit so that's what we're gonna say well I remember one time maybe I'm dating myself I don't know but this was like the 2006 NFL draft and I just vividly sort of remember seeing on the ticker the the Houston Texas signed Mario Williams like the day before the draft to six year 54 million dollar deal and I was like oh they made their first pick well before the draft why can't everybody else do that right no question yeah no question so yeah what the commissioner's saying because my tv is muted but you know what when you're doing a live stream sacrifices have to be made this is life in 2022 when you're doing a live stream absolutely so for people who haven't been following along uh there has been some talk about Pablo banquero potentially being the number one overall pick we're about to find out momentarily if that's going to be the case but if you've been watching uh at one point it was shet home grin and then it became Jabari Smith and it stayed there and then Pablo banquero just the odds have been shifting very much in his favor which I don't know like I for me I don't think there's a bad choice here yeah and John I'll toss this to you first of the three guys like if you're looking at best player available I mean for me it's been Jabari Smith by a little bit but what do you see you know guys I think you can rationalize it a number of different ways when you're really looking at the top three home grin Smith and banquero you know Jabari Smith to me is the most known commodity in terms of you know what you're getting you're getting somebody with great size who can stretch the defense Jabari Smith to me is a safe bet to have a Richard Lewis type of NBA career I think that's a safe thing shet home grin is the walk off grand slam but it's also the biggest risk reward prospect in the top three and then you have paolo banquero who probably comes with the most pop the most sizzle he's a proven commodity he's played the deepest in the NCAA tournament put up big numbers for duke a team that went to the final four shot obviously close to 50% from the field and 50 from three in the NCAA tournament but with that said can he be a consistent number one or is he going to be in the NBA somebody who scores a lot of points on a bad team so you can rationalize things as any way you want here in terms of the top three but there is no clear cut number one pick in the 2021 to 2022 NBA draft Ryan you've been all over this on twitter as well with your breakdowns just what do you see from these three and you know are you in this of the same mindset that you know there's sort of a little bit of a hierarchy here with the top three in particular yeah I think like them all being front court forward guys is interesting because that it makes it harder to despair and they have find a difference between them if ivy was if it was ivy chet and jabari they're three completely different players it'd be a lot easier but it's they're not I think the on ball role they command is what's going to be the biggest thing in the NBA where like I think paolo demands the biggest role and chet on offense demands the least because he has an impact on the pick and roll he's high efficiency off ball and he's a great defensive player I do think chet is has the highest upside of the class boncaro like john said is very mba ready he's polished you know what you're getting out of him and jabari is kind of a little bit of the x-factor in me I get a little nervous about him I actually think he's just as risky as chet because of his lack of getting to the rim his bad efficiency at the rim bad two-point shooting and stuff like that so I just want to preface this by saying as somebody who is always especially as I get older struggling to watch their calories I really really don't like jet homegrown like I was out with a friend you know last night I hadn't seen a guy I used to work with at the start of my career like I was apprehensive to get crony at the bar but I said you know what why not mix it in live a little bit like you know chet homeford doesn't have to wash calories if you're somebody who struggles this is something why I think quite good against them being the number one pick not fair to a body like that magical o'clock by the way they are all in the clock and shantung let's also say the same thing to you before the maves pick how do you see this sort of top three hierarchy going and I want to add because we both like jade and ivy a lot do you feel like he is worthy of sneaking into this top three and potentially shifting a whole lot of draft boards differently throughout the rest of the night I think he definitely could sneak into it but what I think of the three Jabari Smith at chet homegrown in polo bank arrow it's crazy that Jabari Smith was slated to go number one in a lot of mock drafts and now everyone's talking about polo but Jabari Smith I mean offensively the guy is a stud he handles the ball really well and I think he fits really well with Cole Anthony Jalen Suggs and I think the magic also we're talking about what's going to happen with Wendell Carter as for chat like he definitely has the most upside but you know just like john was saying I'm kind of jealous that he can't gain weight either like he's under 200 pounds I can gain that easy but also I kind of like that fit with him in okc with giddy and shakey oldest alexander with chat like that's kind of a good young three but polo to me I think the Rockets were set on taking him I think he's the most NBA ready to be honest with you but jade and ivy if someone's looking for a point guard like he is the steal there Chris Haynes has tweeted out from yahoo sports on the NBA side has tweeted out that the Orlando magic are selecting polo bank arrow with the number one overall pick he has a type of there we forgive him because he's great it's a job but that is one of the worst that is one of the worst fears as a reporter yes have a story and you do not get the twitter verbiage the best that you can get it it is so frustrating like that lives with you maybe not for a decade but maybe for a decade yeah so uh it says paula bank arrow but it's fine it's paula bank arrow but paulo ended up going number one guys and you know jivari smith is still on the board uh john you call them rishard louis i think he could be a blend between that and jaren jackson junior a little bit defensively shantel we just talked about whether or not jade and ivy could creep up there paula bank arrow was somebody who i thought could have been the number three pick probably a month ago and now he's number one and now i mean where do we go from here guys because uh chet home grin jivari smith jade and ivy obviously a lot of talent on the board and paula bank arrow you know all the noise building up to him potentially being the number one pick it paid off and some people perhaps cast out on this bet tonight and i think they're about a commissioner's better now it's right now it's to get a naked official but i mean they fooled us all the magic like maybe they planned this all along i saw their president of basketball operations got asked about if they worked out paulo after he said they had a good workout with chet and they worked out with jivari and he refused to answer the question which is very odd when you're answering every other prospect question so maybe they were trying to keep it under wraps but paulo goes number one and then they got us all they got us all already have mba player agent mike miller they're gonna get the number one pick in his first year running his firm so and this is the big thing you gotta like right now about paulo bank arrow and everless score he is a confident guy not just with the way he plays but because he's wearing that suit we haven't seen it really since you know he's ledger resting peace ward in the dark night circa 2012 as the joker i thought it was really will he want guards i'm like that and i think you have to be confident to rock that he's got the sizzle right now he's the number one pick in the draft and again this is the guy that we knew guys that could come in and be a big offensive impactful player right now in an mba game yeah and i think paulo bank arrow like i you mentioned mike miller john i think john i think mike miller also represents rj hampton who's on that team all the okloma city thunder according to chris hains again are picking are picking jivari smith with the number two pick but then woe's tweets out that shed homeland remains the front runner for okloma city at number two so we have conflicting reports right now we may actually have to wait for the broadcast that's good so this is great this is great right here chris hains is like yo jivari smith jr is gonna be the second pick and then woe's says shed homerans is the front runner for okloma city counts it a little bit but as yes in the comments vandal mentions we have chaos i don't think it took 10 minutes i don't think the rockets are gonna trade the pic i think they're gonna take whatever the three are left but like if they had their eyes set on paulo because of all this commotion right it if it comes to three are they calling teams and like you know what we want to follow we're not getting him who wants jivari or jet even whoever it's gonna be i don't think they're gonna do that because they need the best player available but maybe they think about it i think it's a win-win for i think it's a win-win for houston if you think about it right you either get chet or jivari because at the time like paulo was slipping down to three so i think this is awesome also it was plus 550 on fan duel for paulo bankero to go number one overall which if you took that i mean you're probably having a good night another thing too and again this is a totally different tangent we'll get there eventually but you know i've remained you know steadfast on this for a couple of days right now we can obviously highlight these three but i'm still in the belief because of the spacing that exists in the mba because of the fact that we're not going to see as many lumbering big men in the mba i still think down the road that the best player in this mba draft may not be one of the big three it may be jade and ivy yeah i could totally see that and the big thing is like where do these guys end up environment matters fit matters and all those different things i think for anybody but particularly for most of the guys that are being drafted that's going to play a significant role paulo bankeros going to our lando situation where they're rebuilding but there's also at least some pressure to like at least take a big step because they've been rebuilding for so long and last made the playoffs a few years ago but it was just sort of like a one and done type of thing and then houston has gone down straight to the bottom and they need just the best guys available period and then oklahoma city how long are they going to not tank but how long are they going to rebuild and accumulate all these draft picks and then with sacramento they're caught in the in between we're going to get to them soon they're called in this in between phase where they made a quote unquote win now trade with doma savonis and it's like are they going to try to win now or are they going to actually use number four and get the best player available so as we wait as we yeah go as we wait uh you know we'll we'll see what happens go ahead ryan now obviously that's where it gets tricky with ivy like john mentioned he could be the best in the class but situation and role is so important if he's with davion dearon fox like is he going to be limited right in year one and down the road and or if he slips to the pistons which seems like a dream fit it could be but i also saw that okcs pick is in so i mean i'm finding out right now by the way i don't know about you guys i saw conflicting reports so maybe maybe this is actually fun for us like to find out on tv yes this is incredible right now the mba draft has gone back to being 1996 when john wall has fell to the nicks yeah i will before your time guys you know i never thought i would be the old man in the group but i am i really hope that sacramento doesn't pick jade and ivy just because they already got davion mitchell and we kind of saw what happened with dearon fox and tyree's halibur and like i don't want that situation for jade and ivy because he is such a talent so i don't know if that would be the best fit for him but they would be drafting the best player in the draft right now for sure and people watching we're going to be hanging out for probably the whole first round at least most of it probably even into the second round we don't know but make sure you drop comments and things we'll get it up throughout the course of the show comments for anybody up here and obviously you know your college basketball questions your scotter reports we can direct those john uh and we'll we'll get to that so make sure you leave that everybody watching but yeah so we have i can add some guys here just because we're all we're tying all worlds together so mark daygan all you know the uh head coach of oakland city mark daggin all so this goes again i'm dating myself right here but i go as this far back with mark daygan all daggin all to daggin all daggin all right i think it's daggin all but i'm right yeah except my phone is marked he was they could go with mark d that's it mark day so mark this goes to show you but this goes to show you how far back like i go i knew him when he was in an administrative position on billy donovan staff at florida he wasn't even an assistant coach and billy donovan had had a clinic i spoke at it one year with larry shyatt who was his assistant when they won the national championships in gainsville and shaka smart who i knew connected with mark and he's like yeah you should connect with john so we used to talk on the phone just about like their team the sec and now he's just the head coach of the team that picked it the big second in the mba draft so yeah life at your fest and he just selected chet holmgren we just learned we officially have this the second overall pick in the draft uh all the report woes shams chris hanes and the mba just announced it so chet holmgren is number two that means jabari smith who was the favorite to go number one has slits at number three and if i've been saying that teams should be looking to trade up to number four the new york nicks in particular yeah right now i'm frantically on the phone trying to get do whatever i can to get number three from houston but if i'm houston i'm absolutely holding on to this pick yes ryan yes especially they're panicking like they you said they i don't know if they are i think in their minds they're like whole like we did not get what we wanted even the second guy we wanted but it's okay because there's three of the best guys and we're going to take jabari it's going to be fine and he fits because he fits into any team he's basically a six ten shooting guard with upside athleticism and i think they're going to be fine but like you said i think it's easier to sway a team like the rockets who didn't expect to be in the situation if you give them a really enticing package i mean and i don't expect them to take jade and ivy that's a fun what if but they have jailing green already but shantel like i mean jabari smith the potential of jabari smith and jailing green i feel like if you're houston maybe you don't win a lot of games just you're regardless but man like that's promising to have is your foundation no yeah and when you think about jabari smith like he's a pretty good ballhandler as well that's a duo together that you can put that you're thinking about the future so jabari smith and jailing green together i mean they could be pretty nasty so i'm actually not even mad at him going there jabari smith you can literally like ryan said fit him anywhere on any team because he's that dynamic of a player so it's actually a good pick for houston despite the fact that they didn't end up with bank arrow i want to get to cc's comments soon uh after this third pick because we do we we should talk about the pistons because they're coming up on the board too there's a lot of teams with a lot of hope uh this time of the year but john just your evaluation like what from what you've seen like jabari smith is a number three pick now well and yeah first of all first of all first of all i just want to add this you know i want to say this you love chet homeran's game if you're a basketball fan but you're jealous of his metabolism if you have to do in san jimax 30 there and two cheat meals when you're over 35 let's just get that out of the table right now now we're talking about chet now you want to talk about jabari uh whoever but i i because chet just went and that's an interesting fit with oklahoma city yeah i mean i think we start with chet and again we're gonna try and you know dumb this down obviously we're in a draft we want to make things you you know tight and concise christops porzinga's on offense evan mobily on defense still good enough to be an obvious and pick and roll dive scenarios on offense somebody who's a freak guys because how often do we see somebody who can make threes between 35 and 40 on offense and then also be somebody who can block four shots a game and alter maybe six or seven so it's all going to come down is can his body absorb and handle the physicality that we're going to see at the mba level but nobody is really like him and this is one thing i want to want to bring up i mentioned the offense in the half court like porzinga's the defense like evan mobily the unique thing about chet holmgren is he can get a defensive rebound and go coast to coast and start and initiate offense transitioning you guys were talking about jabari smith one of my good friends i met in tv ryan holland's is now the color analyst for the houston rockets if you get jabari smith in jail in green you may be back in the lottery next year but you're going to have an entertaining team to watch going 25 and 57 yeah i mean that's probably that's probably what's going to happen but jabari smith i mean and now this is where the fun really starts because this is where like there were talks potentially about somebody sneaking into the top three or maybe somebody trading out but really what we've all been looking at is number four and the draft has started so it's not going to be one of those things where we say holland the draft begins when but no the draft started with palo bar caro went number one because that was surprised but at number four the sacramental kings and their trade possibilities is somebody going to try to snag that pick for them they've been reportedly fielding a lot of offers from teams like the nix the pacers who they did a big deal with last year the port i'm not the port of the trailblazers but there have been some other teams maybe for them who have been inquiring about that number four overall pick to get jaden ivy and i want to see what happens there first and foremost at this point they just showed jabari by the way like if you weren't even looking at twitter they showed him on the phone when the rockers are still in the clock like and he's smiling like okay that's obviously the phone call he's getting drafted like they're not even trying on tv anymore like it's it's a shame but it's okay yeah and the reports are that jabari smith is going and you know from woes from chris hanes from ryan hammer who just made an astute observation on tv we have jabari smith that's that's fun jabari smith and jalen green is going to be fun i did not like what i saw from the rockets last year at various points for obvious reasons but that's going to be something i'm going to watch because jalen green i thought he sort of turned a corner a little bit for a ricky at the end of the year and really show some things in those last couple months and jabari smith i thought you know was the safest number one overall pick of the draft who is now going number three so who knows yeah we we did not have this was not a tin dunk in 1997 draft or something like that yeah there were many different areas of gray and guys what i'm curious about right now is we knew in some way shape or form we were going to see obviously the top three picks go in succession now the draft is going to start and looking at my big board i see a big drop off after we get to six or seven in terms of talent so now these next three four or five picks are going to be really interesting in terms of guys who can really make an impact at the NBA level i think you'll get role players and things like that beyond but we'll see what happened in terms of what guys can make an impact and have star quality at the NBA level yeah i mean role players win titles too you know what i mean like you need you need depth i don't to me is not always just about stars and you know we might get some damn good ones going forward uh benedict mother into somebody who i'm looking at like he's one he's one of my favorites in this draft class i think he could be good a lot of people love keegan murray and he's somebody who's been rising up some draft boards and you know now we're just we're just waiting for the okay now the pick is official jabari smith is number three so now the fun begins and shantel i'm gonna tell us this to you you are a nick fan you want the next trade for this pick i think that they should trade for this pick everything is available except rj barrett and obi toppen because ideally you would pair jade and ivy up with uh with those guys um emmanuel quickly can go if you're going to get jade and ivy what what like what would you be offering what would be your best godfather offer shantel for this metaphor over a pick listen as a nicks fan i want jade and ivy so i'm throwing everything at them i'm like you how many picks do you guys want i'll throw in julius randall as well take him you know what i'm saying and emmanuel quickly you want him to you want emmanuel quick i could throw it emmanuel quickly for jade and ivy because jade and ivy is definitely the best player in this draft right now and he's available if i'm the nicks i want it because i want to pair him up with rj barrett because as much as like rj barrett's canadian too so like obviously i'm going to root for him but what i'm trying to say is there's one thing about rj barrett that i think he needs to get better at and that's just being consistent and i think pairing him up with a guy like jade and ivy takes the pressure off him a bit but i do think that they should definitely try to package julius randall if they can yeah i mean i mean look rj barrett jade and ivy will be topping a madison square garden i mean that that would be so much fun to watch so i i hope that that's something that we could see but doesn't look like they're trading up for the pig because i just saw that i was like oh my god it's happening shams is reporting that keegan murray is going number four to the kings which also means jade and ivy is still on the board wow at number five oh my god the pistons and and and we were cc's comment let's go to cc's comment now because now's the time cc's comment and you're who's the best fit for detroit and who's the best fit for detroit i mean it's jade and ivy and kate cutting him together at this point isn't it but if you're if you're detroit you have to you have to stay with this big john what do you think i mean jade and ivy i don't yeah he got better as a shooter but i don't think he shoots it well enough to be a bona fide mba two guard this is a perplexing situation right now we've been thrown for a loop it's like the first time you see the usual suspects and you can't figure out the end with kevin spacey do they go do they go for ben mathrin i think if you're looking for your prototypical two guard you have obviously a scenario where you're going to be in a situation you know where i think you have you know you have a chip to play with they could trade this pick for the team that obviously wants to get ivy that's that's a big thing if you're a team like new york or another team that wants them i think that's something you can look at i think the pissing to get him out back to yeah go ahead right that's a good point though because like right he keeps falling teams are like we really have they'll be even more ambitious knowing he's at five and if the if the pistons are going to feel any trade offers but when you look at the roster like they have a glaring hole at the two guard right now it's killing haze but he's a good i think he actually is going to be a good second met a second unit guy if you run kade and ivy with city bay and you try to hit miles bridges and free agency or deandre in which they're very very heavily rumored to consider like that's a team that could be a dark horse playing team and will be a playoff team within the two years for sure like i'll put my stamp on that and kade and ivy couldn't be better fit i like i already have a picture of them say one of the photoshop so i'm gonna tweet it out it's gonna be an electric like that is a team that's gonna be so much fun to watch like in detroit i would say they deserve that at this point so the other thing to watch with the pistons while we're staying on them is there have been reported interests between them and potentially getting in the game for deandre ateon center for the phoenix suns who may be on the move so if you have kade cunningham you have jade and ivy and you have deandre ateon i think you can compete for a play in if you're healthy and you know it depends on how other things go into east but you're talking about competing for a 10 seed it should be that difficult but i think that that's something you could potentially do there guys should add some more context keegan murray was a three-star recruit out of high school he was just selected fourth in the 2022 NBA draft so i just want to give a shout out to the iowa basketball program for that incredible evaluation because this is incredible remember this is somebody who has a freshman just average over you know seven points a game luca garza was on the team joey's camp was on the team so this to me is just an incredible incredible evaluation by fran mccaffery in that program yeah i love those stories guys that are like kawaii leonard was you know not a heralded high school recruit jibby butler was not a heralded high school recruit these guys are like two three stars if they have any stars at all and they can develop into first round picks sometimes lottery picks and then keegan murray's case the top four picks so that's great so right now we're at we're waiting for the number five overall pick go ahead ryan i'll jump in here i think people also are going to forget that like keegan like the kings the kings want to they want to win now they they were trying to trade out of this pick for that then i talked about this right before the draft them taking keegan is showing me that they're not done yet they're going to keep pursuing john collins they're going to keep pursuing guys in free agency and stuff like that ojana nobi whoever it might be because they want to be a playoff team and ivy long term makes more sense i'm 100% on that on that train but it's so easy to slot keegan into their current roster guys adrian woznarowski is reporting that jade and ivy is going to be the number five overall pick top two to detroit piston so we do not have a trail no one traded up for jade and ivy there hasn't been one trade yet during the drafts actually and it should be noted that detroit pistons they did get some draft compensation for jeremy grant who went out to deport the trailblazers who are actually about to pick at number seven that's a pick that they were trying to trade so at this point the only thing that we know for sure is that then they're going to be disappointed we'll see we'll see we'll see that's the only guarantee unless ben matthew and false to the nicks i think what happens at nine is gonna like what the spurs do at nine dictates everything else in the lottery because if they if they take durne they take a center then it opens up the space for teams like the nicks and the calves and the hornets but if they don't take durne then teams like the nicks and the thunders start considering durne at that point and then everything gets thrown out the window so i think at that point nine is going to change everything because we kind of know like sharp ivy matter and are all going to go in the next few picks if you know that and dyson and stuff like that so yeah and i to me uh the pistons with jade and ivy with k cunningham and potentially with deandre and that's a play in contender so shantel let's toss this to you because now i mean we haven't seen any trades yet but it's been a very interesting draft and i think a lot of mock drafts are already they're already wrong because palo balcaro at number one and then keegan murray with number four now jade and ivy is a detroit piston and is going to suit up with k cunningham so where are you at five picks it man you know what this draft is nothing like the mock draft that i made heading into this but i still think there's some good there's some good guys still on the board like some sleeper picks i know dyson daniels isn't the best offensive guy but he's a good defender and i'm interested in seeing where he definitely goes a good facilitator as well he's not the best shooter as i mentioned but he's someone i'm keeping my eye on i also really like johnny davis out of wisconsin like people forget that he can score the basketball and he's one of the guys that i'm hoping that the nicks actually look at in this draft um you know i know that ankle injury slowed him down in the year but he has good size and i think he's going to be one of those picks like a role player to have a guy that can really you know um put in work this season and hopefully get a starting role somewhere john you want to jump in here on that yeah yeah no i mean i think the one thing you know about johnny davis you make great points about his intangibles is is he going to be a consistent shooter at the mba level to you know stick but i think you're right i think this is somebody who could come in as is without being the consistent shooter and have a josh heart caliber impact at the mba level so it's somebody who you can add to your rotation somebody who can really you know obviously defend the other team perimeter players but the question is is he going to be able to recalibrate that shot but that's what i think is going to happen here guys i think once we get ben matheuren off the board you're going to see players who are going to be role players and potential very good role players but i think we're seeing the star power right now come off the board when we get into the six seven eight range yeah and we know just because mba draft history there's always stars that you don't see coming that are picked like back lottery mid first round late first round uh it happened a few years ago with donovan mitchell and band metabio going back to back uh jordan pool who was instrumental on the golden state warriors who just won a championship was a late first a couple years ago and we talked about some other guys earlier kawaii Leonard jimmy butler etc so and even janis onto the kumpa was a mid first round pick so who knows i don't think there's a janis in this draft but you know there's a lot of look ben matheuren is one dyson daniel as shantel mentioned chaden sharp we don't know where he's going to go and he's like the biggest mystery just sort of hovering over the draft i'm fascinated to see where he goes because i think he's a guy that could potentially slip aj griffin should be coming up here soon johnny davis as we mentioned and germy sohan is somebody who i think could be a top 10 pick potentially and you know there are a lot of interesting names here and even beyond that there are just so many so right now we're waiting number six overall pick the indiana pacers uh would technically be on the clock although i don't think the broadcast is actually moving that fast because they're still on the detri pistons where the pick is in but you know but still the the indiana pacers are are on the clock and uh portland at number seven so let's get into them a little bit because they acquired germy grant yesterday they still have this number seven overall pick there was rumors about them potentially moving this for og ananubi uh to the toronto raptors don't know why the raptors would necessarily do that but there was some smoke about that and they still have damien littered anthony simons they have germy grant i i still think they should probably trade this pick but if they were to keep it let's throw this to ryan if they were to keep it what direction do you think they should go because they kind of need to you know they kind of have to be good if damien littered still there in his peak and wants to win yeah i will say i want to shout out jay niving his family he is crying right now he yeah he said he said he wanted to be in indiana or detroit he was pretty public about that his family from indiana his mom played with a fever but um he said he loved detroit he felt he feels home there which this is i will say it's awesome to see like emotional times like this yeah um i'm a big fan of that but the blazers if madden's there a hundred percent has to be him like with the grand trade they have to contend they have to do everything they can to contend i like trading the pick for like og anubi or john collins if they can get that but at the pick say madden's gone too i know dame loves sharp i'm not one who loves sharp as much but obviously damien damien littered knows more than i do i will say that i think nails is the fit though dice like the blazer's defense has been really bad someone to play next to dame to be a secondary playmaker if they need to and have him be a little off all the times he has all mba defense upside like it's a really really good score inside because of his length and i think playing in the g league helped him helped him play against mba level athletes in competition that would be my pick um or if they want to go big i don't hate jaylin durr and i really really don't i think his floor is higher than people think and nerk it's just never healthy and not a good defensive player at all so yeah and we don't know if they're going to resign him because he's headed for free agency uh unrestricted for agency too so maybe he can get an extension here but ben ben matherin is interesting because he was one of my like during the tournament uh he became somebody who i thought was kind of a household name from a marsh madness standpoint but i saw an mba skill set there and john you alluded to him potentially being a star i mean ben matherin what could he add to an mba roster i mean you guys this is somebody who i think could be a volcano at the mba level because he can erupt at any time six six great size for a wing obviously to me he projects as an nba starter at the next level really good in catching suit shoots situations you know he had eight games last season with 25 or more points i mean this is somebody i think that can come into the mba and have a tarence ross caliber career and be a consistent offensive threat on the wing unafraid to take big shots as evidenced by the three he made against tcu in the round of 32 when arizona was in trouble of being knocked out early i think that this is an absolute gem of a pick for the indiana pacers at number six i mean ben matherin is somebody who can be a productive mba player and a starter for a long time and according to adrian rosin rowski the pacers are taking ben matherin at number six he says the pace the pacers are locked in on arizona's ben matherin with the number six overall pick that is interesting tyrese halliburton ben matherin i mean they're they're trying to trade miles turd or trying to trade malcolm bronc did don't know how buddy healed fits into their plans but yeah i actually think he can stay because i think ben matherin and tyrese halliburton would benefit from having a shooter there but this is an interesting fit and i like i like ben matherin a lot shantel and toss this to you just i mean for indiana how do you see this working out because they have an interesting combination of players and they're not done because they do want to move miles turner and or malcolm brogdon at some point malcolm brogdon especially according to reporters well first let's give a shout out to the first canadian taken in the draft in the top 10 too so i got to give a shout out to ben matherin there from montreal and you know this guy does everything he's extremely explosive when you pair him up with a guy like tyrese halliburton who is just an amazing facilitator he makes everyone better around him those two together i actually think buddy healed is a trade piece because buddy healed is one of those guys that you can definitely move on to a team but i don't mind the three of them either it'll be interesting to see what happens with miles turner because i actually think he fits well on this team with these guys but um yeah ben matherin i think dropping to number six i thought he'd go number five to be honest with you guys um this is i think a steal for the pacers to be guys i'm sorry i mean to cut you off but in the in an effort to pay homage to our late great commissioner david stern we may have a trade according to looks like bleacher report the nicks are still in pursuit of acquiring jade nivy really nice you're bringing this off the uh off bleacher report all right i mean i don't think they're gonna get them but we'll see i mean look i mean again before i met my wife all things considered i was heavily in pursuit of make a kelly it didn't work out we've all had our good one john we've all had our you know our uh our aspirations there let's get to bolbert wales's comment here as you we have where do you think brogdon will get traded to and now that they have been matherin and as shantel just discussed i do think i agree i think that miles turner fits on this team um i don't know if he's going to stay there but i think he makes sense i think buddy healer's potentially tradeship but where do we think malcolm brogdon goes i'll tell you what all the nick fans i know don't want them they're scared that uh they're gonna trade for malcolm brogdon and all the nick fans i know do not want that i think malcolm brogdon's good but i do think he gets hurt quite a lot and famously had very bad medicals coming out of the university of virginia uh in the 2016 mba draft but i think he could be a good player nevertheless i have no idea where he goes a team like philadelphia i think could be in the market for somebody like him uh we mentioned portland i do think he can play off of damien lillard i'm not sure what portland needs to do to make that happen i don't think that's an awesome fit but i think that that's you know something that can happen um but i do like malcolm brogdon he's a good player he's an efficient player he's tough he has leadership qualities uh can play make a little bit can shoot uh just you know you have concerns with the injuries but honestly you have concerns with injuries with everybody so ryan let me talk to you in terms of malcolm brogdon now that indiana may have been math or imping and he's one of the guys that could potentially be shipped out what do you see here in terms of a potential fit for brogdon i think the the nicks and the wizards were the teams at the top with their picks the pacers were after another lottery pick which as they should try to get that i think someone who has not been talked about with brogdon all and i guess not gonna happen is the miami heat who kyle larry really wasn't cutting it this year 100 they can definitely improve their vet guard play with brogdon and yes the injury history isn't great but it's definitely a tear up from kyle larry and next to who they have already in their team which me butler bam i think that's a guy that they should go for because they have picked 27 to use in the couple extra in a couple of assets in their team like duck and roberton max shrews if they really wanted to that's what i like but i get why um the sixers i don't hate but they might be overflow in the guard room but other than that like the nicks do make sense if the nicks want to be decent and try to make the plan and play off play off like they have to make a move like that they're not going to be able to get into the playoffs with the young team that they have right now without a vet guard like that next to julius randall and rj if they were to keep everybody on the team yeah and look i mean i've said this for a couple of days right now you know if you get jaden ivy and you put the ball in his hands which would not necessarily happen 100 if he goes to detroit you then are looking at being in a situation where you can have in this draft what donovan mitchell was a couple of years ago for the utah jazz it could be a franchise changing draft book pick and look again i'm going to preface this again i am not an nba guy 365 days a year but i do obviously talk to a number of people in the nba and one of my good friends from college is the voice of the next ed koan does a great job so i hear from about from him obviously how the team's doing and this is a fact no franchise in the nba has to do a better job moving forward in the draft than the nicks because we have seen through free agency that they are not going to land more key free agents this franchise has swung and missed okay on the nba draft multiple times i know in my lifetime especially in the last five years the only way they're going to be able to get franchise players is through the draft it's a good point when we've seen that like they've gotten some steals i think manuel quickly is a franchise player to like he is gonna he is worth keeping in on your franchise for years to come um but it's a good point that they have struggled to get guys like they were rumored to get zion and then kd and kairi free agency and like those things don't happen so yeah like i remember you know talking to somebody who was very close to the nicks and forgot what year there was probably 2019 and like the end of the team was terrible and they said well we're gonna get you know durant and kairi Irving through free agency and we're gonna get win the lottery we're gonna get zion williamson and my response was you actually go to bed at night thinking that's gonna happen eros we've heard a song about that it was called dream on just a great song just a complete complete sidebar you mentioned ed co and i was a production assistant at the us over six years ago and i had and one of the guys i had to like actually type up the nose for was yeah and so shout out to ed uh this was a while ago fresh out of college so yeah it's a great guy yeah so we have more news and this is from chris hains and adrian woznarowski both of them are reporting this that the blazers are keeping number seven as of right now they are picking shade and sharp uh another canadian shantel yeah and this was the one of the big mysteries because he was gonna play at kentucky then he wasn't then he was and he didn't and a lot of people haven't seen him play in a while i heard this on ryan recilas podcast where he mentioned that a lot of the film you look up it's kind of from like a year or two ago and so he's become a big mystery but he's super talented he is probably the definition of a boomer bus guy in this draft shantel let's talk to you because you just talked about how portland really likes shade and sharp damien lillard at least does as well and he's gonna go there as of right now and it's going to be damien lillard shade and sharp anthony simons so a lot of shot creation there and you have jeremy grant as of right now yeah i you know what shade and sharp i know we haven't seen him play for a little while when you look at his footage like he's extremely explosive he's a good shopmaker and he does have that scoring ability which portland has which is kind of interesting for them to go with this pick because i actually thought jeremy show and was a better pick for them because he can guard one through five and their biggest achilles heel is their defense but they want to be explosive offensively and i think this is one of those picks that it is either a good pick or it's a bust and i think portland's willing to take that they kind of want to pair damien lillard up with some talent um and i don't i'm not mad at this pick at all actually they didn't go defense and maybe they'll kind of look to that in the off season yeah you know it's and again it's you nailed it when you said it's either going to be obviously you know a home runner it's going to be a bust i just don't know how you can put your franchise's hopes on a chip like a lottery pick at number seven for somebody who has not played against top flight competition so what's the evaluation yeah you know what reminds me of you have to be really convinced go ahead shantel it reminds me of when demver picked michael porter jr and we know how much he sat out he was injured like as a nicks fan i was like they gotta grab him you know they gotta grab him and like mpj like has turned out to be a good player when he's healthy and this is what it kind of reminds me of that that's interesting i mean portland their defense was a question mark when they had damien lillard and even cj mccullum and a lot of people say hey they didn't win much but i think their roster construction failed them more than anything else i don't think it was a two guards so uh and maestro adds here in the comment section do you think healthy damien lillard can take this blazer team to the wednesday conference finals again i'll say this uh this that's a big ask in the wednesday conference right now uh because of you know we just saw what golden state did we know phoenix they're at least going to be good again next year demver nuggets shantel just alluded to this for mpj they're waiting on jamal murray as well they're going to be healthy in theory and should be competitive the clippers should get kawaii Leonard back and a team that's going to pick right now at number eight the new orleans pelicans i really like this team a lot i'm very excited for the small ball lineup we're going to get of jose alvarado i'm porto rican so you know i'm all about jose alvarado um you have jose alvarado you have cj mccullum you have brandon ingram you have herb jones and you have zion williamson as a small ball five i think that can close games you still have yonah style and tune is there and this eighth overall pick i think could be potentially somebody really good who could fit that mold guys i want to add some uh frank isola whose show i was on earlier today on serious exam and it was a long time beat writer for the nicks for the new york daily news just tweeted that the nicks are still not giving up on jade nivy maybe difficult to pull off but it ain't over yet so he really is always doing that to the i saw the same thing about the wizards the other day that said like they had checked in with the thunder on sga i didn't say they were inquiring about a trade it said they had checked in i was like i check in about buying a tesla but i can't afford it so like it's it's not going to happen so it doesn't kind of really matter to your point to your point john uh ian begley reported ian begley who covers the both new york basketball teams nixon that's for sny and formerly had a long run aspn opposing teams say the new york nicks remain active in trying to make a trade to obtain jade and ivy who was drafted by detroit uh if i'm detroit i'm asking for a lot because that's not he fell to me at five and i'm just gonna give him up for picks and quickly and you know maybe topping like i if i'm detroit i'm keeping ivy because ivy cunningham and potentially de andrean could be very interesting speaking of the nicks let's actually get to another comment here uh mario um mario had something here on the nicks who do you think the nicks will take an 11 if they don't make a move and i know that's not what fans want to hear evidently they're still trying to get jade and ivy so they want to make a move i still think there's a chance they move up i'm not sure to where eight would actually make sense it would make sense for new Orleans to trade back but dyson shantel what do you think if the nicks stay at 11 or if the nicks trade up like what just ultimately what do you want to see here well i just want to say shams just tweeted out that norland will select dyson daniels which is kind of interesting because he kind of reminds me of london ball a bit like good perimeter defender not the best shooter and you talked about jose alvarado we know what he can do i think that's a good pick for new orleans as for the nicks i actually want i liked dyson daniels for the nicks i know he wasn't the best shooter but they need a point guard they need someone that can facilitate the ball that's the most important thing for the nicks and i know i know he's in a slip in the draft but one of my favorite players in this draft is ty ty washington i think this guy is the biggest sleeper in the draft right he's a former five star recruit um i really think he plays on and off the ball really well and at kentucky i think he mostly played shooting guard but he has the capability of playing point guard um he's a playmaker man a facilitator so ty ty washington i think is the biggest sleeper in the draft to be quite honest with you and i don't think the nicks are going to slide that low but um he's an option man i think this kid's going to be a stud i think i'm closer to new york you can feel the tension yeah and there's something else to know i don't want to be new york bias here even though i'm in new york but do it do it jake fissure i mean these are reports so we got to we got to know them jake fissure from bleacher reports as sources uh nicks is still trying to nicks are still in pursuit of acquiring jade and ivy sources that even after detroit selected them mark stein quote tweeted that and said this is just two minutes ago those hopes could hinge on whether jaylen durin is still on the board at number 11 that is interesting because michael robinson is supposed to it's going to be a free agent we don't know what's going to happen there um ryan you look like you want to jump in here i mean jaylen durin if he's on the board for this is what we talked about and it disperse dictate the rest of the basically until 20 until they pick again because if they take durin the nicks go as planned where they look at guys like maybe it's sohan or aj griffin or malachi brandom even ty ty but if durin is still on the board then things are going to get chicken up and maybe that's a point where they're like we're going to stop trying to trade and we're going to pick it 11 because we didn't expect durin to be here and we're going to call it a day we don't need to sign mitch well guys this is what i can tell you and this is just from what i think it's been out there already too but it was reported and i've heard that the detroit pistons have interest in jaylen durin from memphis so again we're just reading tea leaves here but that's what we're doing that's what we do on a live chat if the pick for the nicks at 11 is jaylen durin that could mean that a trade could be coming together right now and again i'm just rooting for my fellow you know Manhattanites to finally have a team that that could be exciting and then they wouldn't go over eight in either the pistons and maybe flip flop within like 10 minutes so that that would be very i mean the nicks could go for eight and then if they want to uh that would be very interesting that would be very interesting if you get like an ivy durin plus whatever else swap if that were to happen so we'll we'll keep tabs on that well the nicks have to give up well let's think about this for a second you know we'll have to give up more quickly and but you guys know this better than i do if they're get to the nicks have a two guard not named rj barrett that they could put in a deal so that the pistons would still be getting a wing as well it's quickly for sure yeah yeah it's a manual quickly who is not as good as jayden ivy who's you give that all that up like do you give up i honestly like i wouldn't give up durin quickly and another pick or obi or someone i wouldn't like ivy's amazing and i understand bryna you're a big supporter of it but like that's a core that like i actually think is is very solid and it's very balanced but it's not a core it's not a core that will take you to the post season though right not as ivy well he's a he's he's a prospect that's the best player in this draft though and for the nicks who haven't gotten the number one pick since what like patrick ewing yeah this could be a way to get the best player in the draft so i would package that off i'm still high on rj barrett um i was very high on him coming into the draft and i think people are very hard on him i think the biggest issue is that the nicks didn't let him run the offense until halfway through year three and then you saw what he could do and he was allowed to make mistakes but he actually had some big scoring nights and was able to guard some of the best players on the floor as well i i think that in addition to that if you're adding a jail endurance and then trying to flip it for jade and ivy and you're adding it quickly like for me it comes it comes down to this vincent goodwill there's mba twitter right now they must they need that mba twitter anonymous moving forward for people who go over the top this guy vince goodwill just said uh according to the source we're keeping ivy like how do you guys keep up with all this stuff and he's that's actually important because he's from detroit there you go i literally just go like this i just sit here i just go like this and keep updating yeah yeah it's it's crazy but like he he said that but that's important to note because like for me when it comes down to the nicks um you have extension eligible questions when it comes to manual quickly and ob top and who are going to be extension eligible two summers from well actually next summer but those extensions will kick in two summers from now and for me i would rather commit to ob top and on a longer term deal because i can find an immanuel quickly easier than i can find another ob top and though i don't think either of them are generational or anything like that but i'm talking about as far as team building a lot of guards like immanuel quickly are coming through right you know the college system and what and what not i think i tweeted about this yesterday that every year there's been a guy like that it was maxi and quickly in 2020 it was bone tylin last year and i forget it was year before that but in 2019 i would say probably that's exactly what it was and like shantel mentioned before tai tai is literally the exact statistical blueprint and style of play combo guard microwave kipescore he's better passionate than they were but by the way we have the spurs at nine this is where like things get tricky like i think durin sohan and uzman jang are the three guys they have you know they're not happy you know this again you know the pic's gonna work out oh yeah i'm just gonna get multiple time in ba also you know this and you wrote in the private chat of course nothing leaks with the spurs is funny so i i think that i will say uzman jang is people saying durin so on like jang's in the conversation i know the spurs love you know they love their europeans especially their frenchmen um and i think i really think that this it's gonna be a heavily considered pic here and if he goes here people will be surprised but i won't be at all it's funny because like in one of the mocks i think it was going to be a draft on that they had them going uzman jang and then at the 25th overall pic they had ismail kamigate who's also for friends i think kamigate is gonna be really good we may get to it tonight so right right now we're waiting on the spurs and they look there's been smoke about a potential how do i don't think this is gonna happen but the potential swap shantel between the shanty murray and john collin do it do it right ryan i know you're all about this i know you're all about this because you're you're a hawks fan um shantel will talk to see you and then ryan jump in just i mean would you do that if you're the spurs i know if you're the hawks you do it you're the spur i'm not doing it from yo i'm definitely not doing it because the jaunty murray is a top 10 point guard in the league easy he is the most left on player in the league i don't know how you trade a piece like him in fact if the spurs want to make the post season then they keep a piece like jaunty murray one of the best point guards in the league ryan i know that makes you upset but do you also feel like do you also feel like it's a good fit in the backcourt with him and trey young because like we know that trey young is one of those point guards that offensively is so gifted but do you like that pairing with him and jaunty murray because i feel like the jaunty murray should have the ball in his hands well they didn't they didn't they didn't go they didn't go ushman jeng they went with jerry by the jeremy so on here i love this jerry so much keep him in texas he was at baler's in wake go like a gadget on defense oh my goodness i think he's the best defender in the class because of his versatility he defends one through five he showed that at baler six man of the year the big 12 like he does so much for a team like scottie barnes did for the rapids this year i think his jumpers are going to need to project but like this is this is a great pick and you know this guy like john said especially with an attitude like jeremy so on you know he's gonna work out 100 but i wanted jaunty i wanted the jaunty hitting trey or exact opposites jaun uh jeremy sohan i mean ryan calls him the best defender in draft give us your scout a report and it's like it's one of these things where it's like of course the spurs pick them so we expect this to work out this is a smart jeremy sohans gonna be like the next derrick mckay the next bruce bone he's gonna be the next great role player that leads like the spurs to a championship post bapovich but we are getting closer to tension on the island of manhattan oh yes i feel it the san Antonio's chilling we're like they're looking at the board they're not gonna trade off we're like all right we're gonna be smart we're gonna get so hand i think and i think it's only a matter of time before the spurs are good again i don't know if pop is still gonna be there because we you know every year we're like is he gonna retire or whatever the case may be but they've been down for a while rebuilding injury they had some bad injury luck jante murray before he became an all-star tour his acl a few years ago and then really got going and now we're we have a couple of nervous franchises coming up we have the washington wizards of 10 and we have the nicks at 11 and the wizards with all the bradley bill questions and whether or not he's gonna opt in or opt out or extend his contract and there have been reports i think my scholar reported that bradley bill intends to opt out um and we know that bradley bill uh he's led voice to wanting to stay in washington do you believe him is it finding time for him to go shantel i mean what do we think the wizards should do here ultimately i think they should go for a guard to be honest with you because i think bradley bill is out i think that's a whole lot of smoke and mirrors about him trying to want to stay in washington so it'll be interesting to see where they go at this point um to be honest with you is there a chance where they do pick up a jail in durin right because he's available durin and porcigus is interesting and they have thomas brine daniel gafford like they have so many centers i would call charlotte and say you guys are the team that needs a center more than anybody else you have 13 and 15 i want both of them and you can have 10 you can have durin instead of mark williams and you can be happy after the after tonight that's that's that's not gonna happen though so so hon doesn't start for baler but he was the sixth man of the year but he's the ninth pick in the draft assistant for the world same with scottie barns was fourth pick in the draft too scottie was the same way it's it's very very similar it's different though because florida state oh yeah he's always known for bringing like lottery picks off the bench like they did it with patrick williams they did it with fion do cap and gallio he didn't go in the lottery but like there's crazy to me yeah that happened a long time ago people remember with marvin williams i mean granted north carolina won a national title but that team he was a sixth man he's second overall pick in the draft after edger vogue it and right before darin williams and chris paul but there we go and now sam's is saying johnny davis is going number 10 to the wizards that's somebody i thought they should have gave a look but look i i think the nix should get durin i really do at this point yeah it locks up there said people want to say they go for upside go for upside go for upside don't take a center you can get one later on but like when you're going to pick 11 and get the star the potential stars start to dwindle like i am question i question a lot of a j griffin's ceiling because of his all-in-all ability his defense his burst his agility side to side and i think at this point like you take exactly what you need like if it makes there's no reason they shouldn't take him or at least try to shop with teams like charlotte who want to jump okay see who also need a center at 12 so we'll see what happens adria griffin's on the board and the nix need three-point shooting more than anything else probably more than the center too they have a lot of needs obviously so but we'll see who do we know i feel like they're going to take they're probably based on what you guys are saying based on what you guys are saying like just in terms of the bradley biel stuff i would think an insurance wing right now oh the wizard you said are they definitely taking johnny or no they definitely are yeah okay i make it sure this makes sense yeah i think the nix are gonna take a j i think they're still like like didn't think expected they didn't expect them to be here i think so they're like you know what we got to take them while he's always on the board get our three-point shooter another duke guy with cam and rj oh we'll see about camp i don't know how much longer you might not yeah i mean and it'd be interesting i wonder if the nix would also trade out here in the okloma city they just they got second overall pick earlier they got set homegrown they're coming up here at 12 endurance wow they're they're coming up here at number 12 like all right and they already have josh giddy shei guilds alexander assuming they keep them because we don't know and uh they they don't have a ton else i mean ken rich williams is nice but we don't know if he's going to be used in trade loot door there's some trade smoke around him particularly with portland i'm wondering if any of these teams are actually going to go we saw reports about the nix potentially hey are they going to come back and actually try to still make this trade for jade and ivy even though jade and ivy was very picked i wonder if we're going to see some trades after the fact normally doesn't happen that way i don't think but you know we'll we'll see but ultimately right now we are we are waiting on the new york nix um the dry itself scary scary words right there that you just said we are waiting we are waiting on a new york nix i mean well they got time they got time what do you think there's jalen durin there's aj aj griffin there's what's the big knee other than point guard what's the big need for three point shooting in center also center center maybe if you don't keep if you don't keep michael robison um i would always injured though so you know like mitch is injured like his body's just failing him where i'm like i don't know how they don't go durin it's the problem it's not a problem but like it's the only thing there's going to be no sizzle with this pick oh yeah there's going to be no sizzle sometimes it's good sometimes no no i get it but you know it's like a fielder's choice yeah like it was no there's no there's no sizzle with this pick i mean when you know looking and evaluating the draft prospects i think jalen durin could have a kevan looney type you know role in the mba but the problem is kevan looney looks good because he's playing next to curry thompson and draymond nobody is going to confuse that with alec berks rj barrett and whatever else you want to throw it before and he won the lottery pick yeah he's a lay he's a lay first i think it was the last pick in the first round where he got drafted um i wonder if the nicks will even trade down and get a get an extra pick i know that would i don't hate it shantel mentioned tai tai like look i'll look at guys like tai tai malachi brandom jalen will oh my god i love jalen williams and claren i mentioned that a bunch of times they're mark williams there are guys down into the teens and teams are going to want to trade up from there like the rockets the stirs the tea wolves like those are spots you can look to i think guys you know if you went with somebody like mark williams you're you have a chance to get like somebody who could be more of a cappella i think the ceiling is higher for mark williams i don't hate the malachi pick because like he's a great like he shot like 50 from the field this year he's a bit streaky he's one of those guys that's like a streaky scorer but he also defends has length i wouldn't be mad at them picking malachi or tai tai so if they were to trade down i'm not mad at that at all but i do kind of like the mark williams one because he's a good rim protector and a rebounder it's funny you mentioned that like john i i am i like during more i think mark williams defense in is a little overrated for the mba transition because of his lack of switch ability sometimes but i think during sealing is bad mad abaya i don't think he's going to get there but i i love his modern touch that he's added to his game kind of like the andre in has added when he got into lead during mid range is consistent enough to to see it projecting very very well in the league and maybe even do a three ball i mean mark williams i'll say this mark williams's defense you know was exposed in virginia in the virginia tech game the acc tournament title game now conversely in the nc double a tournament statistically he was the best shot blocker that ever played for mike sushevsky of any dupe team that's ever went to a final four so at the end in the acc tournament you know virginia tech on a one day prep made it obviously a little bit you know different but look we'll see what happens but i mean i i think right now the move for the nicks just based on my gut is going to be a j griffin oh boy yeah brian what do you what do you think of before before the nicks actually pick usman jang is that somebody that they should consider here i don't want the nicks to ruin his career he is he's relatively no i'm being honest i'm really he's relatively raw he'll never the orc will never give him the time of day i think not time of day he won't give enough patience because he needs that and he started off shooting 20 from the field and 13 from three in the mbl this year but he turned around shooting like 50 and 45 percent from three in the last like nine or ten games he just took him time it's a young international guy he's transitioning to a lot of different things like acclimating is tough i don't want him on the nicks i want him on the funder or even like cleveland or somewhere where he has time and patience which that is not a thing in new york that is not a thing i don't want him there so tell what do you what do you want them to do here this is your team and look the tai tai washington thought is interesting it seems like he's not going to go that high anymore as it did once but look he's good man he'd be he would fit that's why i think they should trade down a bit because you know tai tai is going to be there like i have tai tai going like 18 19 20 around that range but i still don't i i don't know i still don't know how you don't draft durin at this point like i don't know how you pass that up sometimes you have to draft the best player available and the nicks have enough picks where they can trade back into the first round later so if they wanted to get durin now come back in and you know let me look at the draft board here if you wanted to come back in and maybe get i don't know 19 from minnesota or 20 from san antonio or 17 from the rockets with a future first like you can do that and i wouldn't be mad at it uh tai tai washington i i do think makes sense i think at 11 it may be feel a little early to some people but i also think if you really like somebody just go get them you know nicks fans that have no patience if they take tai tai that's a little bit of a reach and he isn't very good at the minimum he it's going to be it's going to be on the clock oh my god here we go i'm nervous i don't even care for the next i'm so nervous yeah i know because i i just like a lot has happened but not on the trade front and i just feel like the weight of something like something is going to shock me at some point soon and what better team oh my god you know it says right now that the nicks according to somebody on twitter is like usman jang no don't ruin him no are you kidding me well he was projected he was projected to go very good all right yeah and he is like the he's like not going to be honest but he's going to be that freak of the class oh my god this is happening oh my god i think that's why how are you feeling right now i the nicks is a great pick in terms of like upside and player value i think he's a top 10 player in the class upside wise he could be top three or five i really think that i just know he needs patience i know his development game needs patience i hope for the best for the new york and him because i love him and like i don't i just like i'm nervous for them that's all i how many times have they drafted europeans and it hasn't worked out in their team because the i mean i remember vividly again this is probably all before your time but in 1999 the nicks could have drifted run our test and they took frederick vice oh boy and then he got dunked on by vince carter never played in the mba dunked over i should say uh ushman zang played with the new zealand breakers in the australian basketball league which is a good pro league down there some very very talented college players that everyone watching this has heard of are playing in that league and on his team he had who go best and who actually you know as somebody we may get to later on draff payton siva remember him from louisville was on his team as well uh ushman zang was there chaser random was also on a team too former nick oh god the pick is in like the chris christops was really good he was good when he started it just like he just wasn't good enough he wasn't taking that next step and the injuries that the nicks needed and wanted and like i'm scared that that might be a thing but like this has happened time and time again like i said i like the pick because i love him but a j griffin sliding this far i think it is because because of medical reports he was the only player that had concerning medical reports but durin's still on the board durin on the board for okc or even charlotte like that's that's wild to me that he's still here so that is amazing that they got ushman zang so like i think i think he's gonna be starting next to rj barrett that's your two three yeah he's a three i don't know if they're gonna trade back in the first round i don't know what they're gonna do um so we have a trade well we do hold on jang is going according to woj is going to be traded to oklahoma city are the nicks getting 12 probably why that's well hold on like hold on a sec my thing is if you're gonna if you're gonna give up a pick you got to get something back they're gonna get something back see you know what is 34 or a future pick the thunder have a million picks a million but that's but that's what i'm saying like you need there's you need to get some sort of an asset back it'll probably be like 30 pick 34 or a future second that they're getting because the nicks don't like they probably didn't want ushman and the thunder we're saying we want and we want to make sure we get him so that you don't trade with anybody else we're going to move up one spot we'll take him you go to 12 you get an extra pick in the future and the nicks take whoever they're going to get originally which might be aj or um what's called or dale and duren nicks are going to get multiple first round picks oh whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa look at the titos yeah yeah yeah hold on they might have done something smart here well yeah so as you're in great so let's see a juror rosin rasky is reporting right now that the nicks are trading the number 11 pick which is moose manjang uh to oklahoma city the thunder will send multiple first round picks to new york i what i want to know is does that include number 12 or is that just two future first we need some clarity wow we need some clarity i think it's gonna have it's yo the agents need to finish the text send it all in one spot let these guys report it like having to know i happen to know the the one of the agents who works closely with this manjang maybe he's probably a little busy right now yeah yeah i don't mind him in okc though that might yeah i don't mind him in okc at all and i'm i hope they're able to that's the patience that's the patience that ryan wanted so shantel you got two first round picks and you don't know if one of them is number 12 but i mean i'm feeling about this at this point i feel like they might go for tai tai at this point i feel like there's a very good chance the nicks just traded out and oklahoma city is staying at 12 oh my god i think on tv they'll still show okc but they might be using it unless they trade back in unless they're gonna find out again so we're gonna everyone watching we're gonna find this out together as a family it's amazing and i just i just said before this that i feel like the nicks are gonna do something that really like just rattles us and i actually think like on the surface this is a smart move i just want to know and it's interesting because on one hand oklahoma city can't keep all their picks they have like 41st rounders or whatever it is right they gotta use them next seven years they have to use them they have to use them for actual players and for the nicks if they're stockpiling draft picks are they gonna be in the market for we talked about bradley bill earlier there's been donovan Mitchell smoke we don't know who's gonna like whoever the next disgruntled star is that may want to shot in new york to try to help bring them back like are they positioning themselves for that is what i'm intrigued to find out multiple first round picks just another college basketball take guys the big ten had three players selected in the top ten you know and they have two teams in the sweet 16 best evens would love that all right though and and look they're i mean i this is this is jaylen turn still it seems like the thunder are picking from what everything seems it seems like their future picks jaylen durin is still on the board oklahoma city is going to win 19 games next year durin and check going to be fun though oh everyone everyone was ready for the Memphis Gonzaga second round game in and to see that matchup and it was definitely fun a heavy hitter like now they're gonna play together is awesome their defense is gonna be incredible um but if they and if they draft here getting uzma and chet and if they get jaylen durin the thunder that is a absolutely insane draft even if it's a jay griffin like three lottery picks like that you like that draft huh i love that go they're going for sides just they have none of they were starting six foot seven and six foot eight centers last year that like jeremiah robinson earl is good he's solid he's a rotational guy and he's undersized at the front court and they need size so someone on my timeline said said after the jang pick it feels like the nix just picked that for someone else like a big they could not possibly draft but this is this is this is the thing right now so they just don't have a first round pick in this trap maybe not as of as of now yeah as of now they do not they're gonna trade back in they'll trade back in yeah because they have all their first round picks wow it's not part of trade to confirm i'm confirming that all their first round that hasn't reported there all their first round picks going forward taking oh my god and on top of that and the the thunder still have the 12 yeah woes confirms the thunder still have the 12th pick it isn't part of oh no okay he has just picked jaylen williams according to shams no way his team is crazy the garden in tana clara wait which team because that i think that could apply either way jaylen will yeah it does the thunder the thunder taking jaylen williams apparently i like it i think they should have took the other jaylen but jaylen during this fall it this is our first folder so far the morning faller because ivy we expected him to go forward he's going five we have somebody actually folding it to this draft so uh chat let us know what you think how you feel this is just amazing to me the next that they just gave up to pick and we don't know we don't know the terms they probably don't love anybody but that's the thing yeah all their picks going forward in the first round they now have two extras they also have one more pick from the chris that's for zingas trade that is uh i believe a lot of re-protected next year from dallas we expect that to convert because dallas is going to be good this year and if they're in the playoffs and that'll convert so the nicks have plenty of picks to play with and i think that the reason why you accumulate those picks is to make a serious trade especially if you're at a big market like the nicks and they're obviously trying to win now and recapture uh that that feel good season that they had uh from 2020-2021 in which they were um so you think you think they're waiting for like in the you know what we're gonna take our chances trying to get down on mitchell or something like that i i think i don't think they're going to trade back into the first round maybe they're doing it and it's again i'm not you know joan ba but what it appears to me is what they're doing is they're stockpiling assets yeah that's i think i think the nicks are doing exactly that i think that they're they're looking at right now how to do this so yeah woes confirms uh santa clara's jaylon williams it's gonna be drafted number 12 overall i believe steven is 15th steven ash was 15th in 96 right shantel i have that right so yeah he definitely was 15th so he got drafted higher than uh he ain't gonna be better i don't think he's gonna be better than steven ash i think it could be good but oklahoma city is just gonna have like skin oh my god it's just kids running around i like the pairing with him in chat though i love that yeah yeah i mean they have so many ball hit like if they're gonna keep this pic because like we saw oosman quote unquote go to the nixon 11 and they announced the trade after because things take a second if it's jaylon williams josh giddy sg like it gets to a point where like what in the world what is going on here but their defense is gonna be a abysmal chet helps obviously a lot but oh unbelievable and so around the room john you first uh best player available left in the draft is it jaylon durin or is it somebody else you think you know malachi brandham for somebody who only you know played one year was able to transition from being a you know power forward to start the year and somebody who initiated offense i think there's a lot of upside with that pic especially now as we're getting to 13 but salute to jaylon durin right now who was sensational last year for a santa claire team that i think you know had an outside chance to make the ncda tournament if they you know stay healthy but i mean this is just an awesome awesome scene you know for a player again it wasn't even on the radar a year ago this is the beautiful side of it and i see him you know hugging his family right now this is just an awesome awesome scene shantel what do you think of of the of the players left in this draft who stands out to you the most in terms of like maybe somebody who could because we talked about donovan mitzsche obama to buy all these sort of middle first round picks like can jaylon durin or somebody else maybe become all star level i actually really like mark williams i know there's been questions about him being able to play defense in the league but i still think he's a great road protector rebounder he finishes really well against the basket i think you can fit mark williams into a starting lineup right now on a team that needs a center so i think he's one of those guys that is still left on the board that people should be looking for other than durin because i still don't know how durin has fallen this far yeah ryan yeah durin's the clear guy right now i think especially for team likes charlotte who takes who needs a center like i said more than anything else in the league is literally a common sense pick i if they do they are picking at 15 and the calves are at 14 and the calves aren't going to take a center but you don't risk it if anyone's going to trade up with the calves you take the guy that's falling right now when you have the opportunity to um i also think i was like tarry eason adria griffin is still on the board ochai bhaji i even like jaden hardy from the g league like these are guys that are that are not necessarily falling but brandham's in there too dale and terry who i'm a huge fan of but now teams are probably readjusting what they thought was going to be around because the durin slide is causing a little bit of commotion aj griffin's a good call because as somebody else who i thought could have been off the board by now potentially there was smoke about him being a top 10 pick at one point i saw some moxie move back down to like 11 12 but for most of the year he was up there and john i'll toss this to you just aj griffin sliding this far one is a surprising and two do you feel like teams are a little too low on aj aj griffin well the injury concerns that he had before he got to duke are obviously real that's a real part of the story right now aj griffin if he's healthy is a real threat at the mba because he's a specialist he is somebody again who is a volume three point shooter this is a guy again who from what we saw last year and watching him on the prep circuit could have a chuck person like nba career like kind of like be like the rifleman he has that type of ability but you know the injury stuff is definitely a big question you know he was injured obviously before he ever got to duke and missed the start of last season with an injury aj aj griffin and jay lindur another two names for me to watch right now there are some other players i like i think tai tai washington i mean chateau has been on this uh we did get a question earlier about patrick baldwin he's probably a little further down on the board but he's somebody who i think we might be starting to hear his name at some point i like ishmael kamigate a lot he's not going to be until later on jade and hearty we mentioned so i think now we're going to start seeing more trades because now some teams just you know the middle of the first round we're probably going to see teams to sort of back out the nicks i feel like on the trade front made the first real splash and they were like ah you know we're just going to get out of here we're going to stock out and we still don't know the context of the trade right they said multiple first which so it's three i would imagine three is the idea it's not a couple it's not two so i guess it's three future picks but it the nicks are it only depends on what they do with these picks whether but if they wait for to use them in the next few years like that's obviously not great for what they're trying to hit their agenda now but if they're going to use them in the off season to make a move like them in this in a month we might be saying all right the nicks did a good job by making that trade yeah but you know i'm following i'm following this now i want to have some nicks content fair enough live you know what i mean you guys are going to be on twitter from like july or june 30th like explain this to me explain this to me for somebody who's kind of an outsider in your world what is like twitter like for you from june 30th to july 10th oh it's impossible that's it's it's really from the end of the nba finals so june fill in the blank until july 6 because by the time like for me once we get to july 4th i'm over it i'm like i'm at the barbecue i'm eating a burger whatever it should be and it's like i just i just can't and it's we're almost at summer league but you know still you're on your phone admittedly so it's really from like june 20th give or take till july 6 and it's just like you're just you just find yourself trying to work on stuff maybe some stuff on the nba front and then it's just you're just on your phone there's group chats and texts and dms and who are the big free agents this year oh my goodness this year it's not even about like it's becoming the nba less about the free agents and more about who can be traded like i think deandre ateon on the free agent front since he doesn't have a contract is somebody who's you know gonna make some waves but like as far and we have to see as kairi erving gonna opt out as brally biel gonna opt out uh zack levine is reportedly going to sign resign with the chicago bulls that's a big one so it's just a matter of whether or not it's going to happen right now jaylen durin is off the board this worked out perfectly for charlotte ryan let's go to you because you talked about this earlier this was the most center needy team in the nba but by the way still does not have a head coach because kettie acton was like yeah y'all won't let me bring in my assistant so i'm not doing this um jaylen durin is going to be with the mellow ball and well we don't know if they're going to keep miles bridges that's another free agent john that's good that could be out there and then are they going to keep terry rozier i think they should but the mellow ball has a log threat among other things with jaylen durin now ryan yeah he's the best true five in the class i do believe that it i think their idea was we're not going to trade up from 13 to 15 because if we don't get durin we get mark williams and we're just as happy with getting mark and someone else instead of just durin so they said if durin's there clearly we'll take him if not we'll take mark and then someone else at 15 or we'll trade from there if we're happy um so this is golden age for them right now because now they hold the power if teams want to treat now i think they're probably a likely trade down candidate or trade out because teams are like oh they're they're saying we got our guy we got the best center in the class we got who we wanted so if you guys want 15 we're listening to every offer possible whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa we have a trade azure woznarowski is reporting shantel you're all over this i'm gonna tell us this to you oh yeah the pistons are acquiring jaylen durin according to azure woznarowski number 13 in the trade so no deandre ateon no deandre ateon with jaylen ivy and and k cutting hand we could throw that out it's gonna be jaylen durin uh they still have isaiah steward there don't know what's gonna happen there i guess it doesn't matter whoa that's interesting somebody now says that the nicks are gonna get jaylen durin from charlotte shams just tweeted that that the hornet traded jaylen durin to the nicks whoa i saw the pistons are getting this is the first woz shams baby there's a big thing in the nba in nba twitter is who is always right woz or shams and is one reporting better or more something that it's a very big competitive thing that i don't know if they think about but here we go one's gonna be right one's gonna be wrong so that's the other thing john people actually keep score there are tallies of who breaks how many draft picks trades that's free people do that it'll be this is why i don't want to be a news breaker it's woz shams uh chris hains michael scato jake fischer like people will keep tallies and then they'll keep scored like who broke the most things because people are going head to head news breaker business is the same i feel that a little bit i think you know it's like in the college world when you know when there's like coaching irons and stuff but it's not like this no it's all in another minute that's why it's like there's no more time to do it yeah yeah and and college this little it's just it's it's there's this own volatility there for sure especially when you're dealing with you know uh schools in places that like that's their pro team equivalent and it's really life or death um happens in college football and basketball but it's just it's just wild in a different way so shantel let's bring this back around to you um first of all we don't know what's going on with jaylen durin right now but uh if he's with the pistons because woz said so or if he's with the nicks like what do you think is the better fit for him here i think he fits in really well with the pistons to be honest with you but i'm not mad at the nicks going out and trying to get him because that's a need that they need on the team right jaylen durin i think is a great pick the fact that he fell all the way to the nicks possibly through a trade i think is extremely impressive but here's the thing do it does detroit end up giving up ivy like is there a trade to be made with detroit in the nicks right when you get back around to what john said earlier is is there is there a possibility that it happens so shams report shams report for claire for clarity says sources colon hornets traded jaylen durin to the nicks so the hornets are doing that but woz is saying that durin was traded to the pistons i don't know if that means he didn't say from who right right i don't know if that means the pistons are rerouting jaylen durin to the nicks what is going on right now or vice versa we need clarity okay comments help us out um what's going on here and give us your thoughts like just throughout this is this is amazing the pistons like they if it's the pistons they would have one of the best young cores in the nba are very very young so like we'll see how proven they'll get in the next couple years but that would be a super fun team to watch like i think john said by the rockets for like they might win 20 games actually they would probably win more because kate is is next level type of player but they're gonna be fun to watch for years to come if they get in or not here we go nicks are trading kemmel walker to detroit sources tell oh it looks like jaylen durin is obviously it's not just kemmel walker that's even more there like i want is the name of manual quickly or obi toppen or what is going on right now what's going to come out here because clearly we know they're not going to keep michael robison that could become a sign of trade down the line jaylen durin and michael robison's not going to make sense as a tandem i also just want to throw in here as a total aside uh henry avid of true who oh this out uh that jaylen williams and sheth holmgren both new thunder players barring trades sharen agent and have been working out together in santa barbara for months see how this works just uh but shams says that the nicks acquired jaylen durin and then are moving durin and kemba to the pistons apparently so they probably they probably got durin they probably got durin gave him we just tell her like what i just i just got a text from a nicks source that said punted somebody tweet that somebody tweets that john reported that on the show that so or you could just actually say this with the link to the fan news stream just nicks source punted see how nick fans are going to react to that to explain this to me so they shed the salary kemba was not playing on team because he literally just wasn't good enough and he's getting paid millions of dollars to sit on the bench so a team at the pistons who has a lot of cap space because they have a lot of young guys they take a good player plus kemba's really bad contract and they basically just suck it up for a year because they don't they can they can deal with it with the big cap space that they have but they get durin out of it and they probably give something back who knows it's going on oh chai boggy this is going fast oh oh chai is the 14th pick to the cleavage i love that i'm trying to find out right now how many picks they got back yeah yeah let's let's see tell them you're on live uh with fans we need we need content i'm only on for two more picks yeah yeah yeah right right so and it's crazy that 90 minutes not confirmed yet or a nick's source 90 minutes is okay a while i feel like that one we have an update from woesh okay the pistons are sending the hornets the 2025 first round pick via milwaukie so that's a 2025 first round pick from that's the um that's the trip in the german grant sorry in in the durin trade detroit got that pick from portland yesterday the germy grant deal so right the pistons are sending the hornets that first round pick but what what are the nicks getting in all this is also what i want to know and what else is going on the next i don't know there see this is what happens when you have multiple reporters like john this is what it is just your head is spinning all the time trying to put the pieces together and you have guys talking to different people you have one reporter talking to agents another one talking to executives or vice versa and it's like they're both getting the same information but like one's like told differently than the other ryan you have your finger up i want to point out about this here the ochai bodgy stuff ochai bodgy and age are different play a very similar role they will in the mba ochai's four years older he's more experienced he's a better defender he's a little more athletic but the calves clearly want to make a playoff jump next year because if they wanted to go upside and the guy who does maybe have a little more of it they go with age are different because of the because of the age difference but they went with ochai it seemed like he was their guy from the start like it always made sense it's a match made in heaven like it couldn't be better to play off darryl scarlin and add size in the perimeter but it's interesting that they pass on aj i wonder if it's the medical reports or it's if the ochai was their guy i i don't want aj on my team on the hawks by the way i don't want to get on my team that's and i i just like i understand it's a it's a steal for value but i don't want all my team so oh and i just got a text from somebody who said the nix probably got all that space to get jaylon brunson which i think nick fans are divided on that i forgot about jaylon brunson because of him a deal oh i'm with that i like i really like jaylon brunson but are you gonna like him at potentially four years a hundred million dollars or something no i don't like him for that much and you lose your first back so you're basically trading you're basically sending a first round pick a lot of money in the region paid alan houston there you go exactly yeah because he got five for a hundred and ricks i like i like alan houston a lot he was one of my favorite players as a kid but um oh my god jaylon brunson for that look i like jaylon brunson a good deal i also think the maps should keep him and mark cuban was kind of like oh yeah we're definitely gonna keep him because we can pay him the most we'll see how high the nicks are going to go i think if they're gonna go that high and the maps keep them uh that they would actually be doing the nicks a favor potentially because that number is just too much with julius randall concher well there's also rumors though that kairi erving wanted to go to alice oh my god is mark cuban making a play for kairi no no no is it possible no i can't happen the pistons i mean uh the hornets are taking mark williams we expected that at 15 there's no way they trade this i will give every guarantee i have in the world there's no way they're trading this else over the center to be clear to be clear jaylon durin is with the pistons right yes now okay jaylon durin they're also getting mark williams so that's an interesting draft for the hornets who still don't have a coach we think it might be mike dan tony which i think it's going to be fifth or sixth time as a head coach um yeah all the coach but they have a center so that's okay aj griffin fell out of the lottery oh no we're next oh no hold on this is the border there's a lot of clippable stuff here um a jay ages no i want dale and terry i want i want dale and terry on our team they're not going to pick them actually brand them too damn this is tough this is tarry easton's on the board too elite defender oh man this is tough i want dale and terry but they're not going to pick him a jay griffin i think a jay griffin is gonna i can't i can't i can't i can't i can't i can't i can't he's the freefaller um that's the yeah that's a freefaller and and the hawks they could pick him and trade him i think that that's something they could do because the hawks are actually trying to ryan is not happy about this um the ryan cam is gonna be great whatever happens here uh john collins reportedly more than anyone else is somebody who could be dealt today and we still haven't had that's something we haven't had yet we haven't had like the big trade involving nba players or whatever the case may be um but a jay griffin seems to be the freefaller right now and i think it's what john said earlier i think it might be the injuries um you know there was streakiness and inconsistencies but like collis kids like you know that sort of comes with the territory sometimes and you know uh it wasn't perfect but i didn't think he'd fall this far he's falling to the point where it's like is when though more even going to go ahead of him and that's interesting i do love one no more especially especially as you get to the contenders the hawks aren't like a contender but when you get to teams like the hawks the bulls the grizzlies the nuggets even the warriors and he we're trying to make extra jumps like in the playoffs like that that i would rather have one no more for next year but a jay griffin is hard to deny this point there's gotta be something wrong there's gotta be something medical reports and his knees a hundred percent has to be something i feel like it has we'll find out in a week probably but who knows i'm very nervous but i just don't i don't know i just i wanted i thought jayland liam's would definitely give me on the board and i know for a fact the hawks were not going to let jayland liam's go past him go past them so that's but the same thing happened with kand thomas last year and they by the end they didn't take him because jaylon johnson was on the board so they might do the same thing this year with a j griffin because he's on the board and like you know what i don't know they're still on the hornet's pick okay still on the hornet's pick and the dress so this is this is a lot here but a j griffin man that's that that's the one for me right now that fendu did tweet it i got i got a they did they did tweet out the fendu did tweet out the punting convent john i got a i got a text from a nick source that said punting amazing i think that's amazing well i look i think i think the nicks are trying to do something so more reports this is from it's from a pistons beat writer for the Detroit free press omari san cofa and he says that the pistons are keeping ivy still working on the details for the trade but it won't include ivy whatever it is and adrian rosenorowski points out that this was a tremendous coup for the detroit gm treweaver to land two of his top targets in the draft jade and ivy and jalen durin with the cost of only a future first round pay the hawks are taking a different by the way ryan i'm nervous as shit because you hope you hope they trade the pick they're not going to trade the pick i think they're just going to be like how can we not take him here he fits it he just you pop him next to trey it's so easy to play next to him and just like man i am nervous about his injuries and any kind of upside of oh he's like 18 and a half so i i can't be mad i cannot be mad at the value here can't be mad at all but i'm a nervous wreck for the future i mean i thought he was a pretty good secondary creator he's like a really good finisher i think he actually fits well on your squad and if he can stay healthy i think you might be a little bit happy i hope i hope so i i was saying the same stuff about camera just come out of college when we took him like i was not a camera's friend as a prospect and went up and down up and down and throughout his three-year career in the little small tenure in Atlanta and it ended up not working out and like i feel like i'll do the same thing with aj where i'll be very critical because of of worries but um it's hard not to make this pick here even and even if other teams want him right you trade the pick people probably want to trade up for aj at this point so crazy well guys i'm gonna leave obviously you guys to decipher the rest of this because at about the not at about the pick number nine when you guys started filming me on nba twitter my head just started to scream so i'm um i'm proud to you know admit that uh i you know i try to limit my uh my perone intake you know until friday but i may have to break the trend tonight and i'm gonna uh see if i can find a good therapist yeah and enjoy a glass of wine while you're at it thank you for joining us thank you john i'm gonna me neither actually i just feel like that's the thing you say for people to relax uh thank you john for joining us um and also uh you know providing your insights on all various prospects you can follow john rostin at john rostin that is j o n not j o h n this is a point of distinction and uh yeah thank you for joining us we're gonna keep it rolling here on the stream me ryan and shantel for a little bit longer and whoo boy we still have some names on the board we have wendell more we have tai tai washington uh ryan hammers pretty piss off about a j griffin being i'm not pissed i'm not pissed i'm not pissed i'm just like he was the one of the guy that i was very like bearish on coming into the draft as a top 10 and lottery pick because a lot of people have him at five six seven on their boards and i have him at i think 14 or 15 so this is where i would have picked him but i just didn't expect him to be here for atlanta so i was think i was eyeing up other guys and that's what makes me nervous but um here we go man they did the same thing last year jaylon johnson went to duke he fell on draft boards further than he should have went to atlanta they had to take him and they're doing the same thing this year and i can't be mad i do like jaylon a lot even though he played a lot in a g league and not in a lot in the nba this year but it's um i don't know we'll see what schlank is up to travish like so we're at the 16th but we're at the 17th pick actually and the better now the pick is now in officially uh adam silver has come out good to see that he's recovered from cobin by the way because he did get that turned to nba finals um the aj griffin is going to the atlanta hawks he better shoot 48 percent from three like he was and i do he better be shooting the lights out aj griffin was shooting the lights out look i mean as somebody who has heard a lot about aj griffin for a while because he played at steppenack here in new york uh that's a little more upstate from where i'm at it's like a white plains area but one of the best players in the catholic league one of the best players in the country was a mcdonald's old american jordan brad classic um he played them both uh so look very good player and i think to get him at 16 i think it's he's somebody where i'm like you know why not if i feel like he fits but still got some good names on the board the houston rockets last year they got jalen green then they got out prince shingoon after later on the first round and i like jalen green pick i really like out prince shingoon for where they got him and right now they're at 17 uh shantel are we in i mean i don't think he's gonna go here but we're almost in tai tai washington range and i think if i'm the bulls i'm like huh you know because caruso lanzo they play off of him uh and he and i don't think he'll be in a situation where it's like okay he needs to develop right away like they can take their time with him if that's the case but also if i'm another team i'm kind of looking at it like hey can i trade into the can i trade up to 17 18 19 try to get tai tai maybe if i need a point guard i like him in chicago you also think about lanzo ball and all the injuries that he's had to deal with but i actually think tai tai washington since like obviously the nicks aren't gonna get him now what if the spurs wouldn't got tai tai where he could develop and play alongside the jante murray like that is a pairing you know coming off the bench being that second unit guy because that's what i think tai tai can be another guy that i'm really really high on i think he's gonna go late in the first round probably even in the second round maybe kennedy chandler yes he's been on the guy from tennessee because of his size but the dude's explosive he's got mad confidence controls the place good shooter his playmaking is good and he's good defensively like he was averaging about like two steals a game kennedy chandler is also going to be another sleeper in this draft where i think he can make a difference on a team like maybe a milwaukee or the grizzlies even i know the grizzlies have a ton of guards but i really like kennedy chandler as well so this is the part of the draft where things get real interesting mephis is a good call because taiis jones is free agent who i don't know if they'll be able to retain him they pro they're gonna try i'm sure taiis jones to me are gonna be the best backup point guard in the nba we do have a pick houston rockets 17th overall tarry eason lsu um and this is an interesting one houston woes with a follow-up houston has considered eason the best defender in the draft taken by his uh taken because his of his he has a typo here taken i'm gonna say because of his ability to switch a play with aggression but i do think this is one of the top defenders in the draft tarry eason who's also versatile who is one of those guys is six eight who can guard multiple positions which in the nba you're looking for that right right and yeah 100% and because of jabari's shooting ability you can play both of them on the floor at the same time when you look at their roster like they obviously are going for upside they're in a long-term rebuild but he you obviously need guys like that at some point you need defense you need high impact players even if they're not going to have super high ceilings i think tarry does have a high ceiling he doesn't have like kawaii Leonard high ceiling but he reminds me a lot of deandre hunter with better as an inside score and not as good as an outside score but because of the defense and the size and versatility there um tarry's a beast he was falling a little bit because of quote-unquote game iq concerns only in the last month i think it's kind of bs to be honest i don't think he didn't deserve to have that and clearly he didn't this is probably where he was supposed to go but when you look at the rock it's like they get jabari smith who some consider the number one prospecting the draft but they get a top three forward they get tarry eason one of the best if not the best defenders in the class and they're back up at 26 again where they can get a guard and fill out a rotation very very well so i think another thing to look out for is excuse me i think teams like like denver recently made a move where they got rid of jamaica green i believe to oklahoma city as a matter of fact because they're trying to avoid you know tax and things of that nature they have a couple picks coming up here 21 and 30 i think they're going to trade one or both of those because in the nba if you have a first round salary that is guaranteed in the second round you could kind of get a little bit more creative with it you can make it not fully guaranteed you could sign the second round pick to a two-way contract with brooklyn that's did this last year with kessler edwards and then sign them to a standard contract the last game of the season despite picking them at the number 44 overall pick so i think you're going to start to see some of the contenders or some of the teams wanting to avoid some tricky financial situations trading down that's going to be interested to see who trades up denver i'm looking at 21 and 30 i think one of those if not both of those they're going to move out of it i think miami for sure based on what i've heard uh they're probably going to move off of 27 unless somebody they really like has fallen there but i think they want to preserve all money possible because they're obviously looking to make some splash moves golden state has some guys to retain they have the 28th overall pick i think they're going to trade out of that we'll see what milwaukee does at 24 we'll see what philly does at 23 these are all teams that are trying to clear space so i think we're going to start seeing a lot more just smaller moves going forward and i think some of these teams will probably trade into the second round and then we won't be around for the second round but there are some teams who will buy second round picks just straight up purchase them for millions dollars um you know that may be something we see so when the owners want to pay up i think the mavs are one of those teams that are trying to get like trevor keels and a couple different guys in the early second um but like that's it's crazy me that it's basically is the owners want to pay out of their pocket when we have things in place so that the owners financial like financial amount doesn't like a really affect teams like that but there we are you want to be rich you want to you want your team to win you have to just lay out the money so none of my no one has reached for any of my sleepers yet i did put out a list early on you're like sleepers that i probably like more than consensus and the only one that i thought could have been off the board by now is nicole jovic who is still on the board i like him a lot i think i think we'll hear his name called soon kennedy chandler's on that list and then from there it's mostly guys that we're probably going to hear in the second round if at all maybe two-way contracts such but g montero or john montero excuse me he's pronounced john he's dominican i should know that uh john montero uh justin lewis adamarquette ismail kamagate you heard me talk about him before he might sneak into the first round julian champagne from st john's and from brooklyn near where i'm at this block live hello uh and asia brockington who i very much like out of iowa state i think he's not going to get drafted but i think he's going to be an interesting uh two-way for somebody so that's where we're at right now uh update from agent rose norowski kembel walker and the detroit pistons are expected to discuss a contract buyout that will allow him to become a free agent source of cell espn walker landed with detroit as part of the three-way trade with charlotte and new york that tells me that kembel walker kind of at the end of the line here which sucks but injuries do that especially with smaller guards that are very dynamic they could slow you down that tells me that he is probably going to be on a veteran minimum somewhere most likely the lakers lake yeah easy it's so easy he's going to he's going to la he's going to be on that lake we're brooklyn if they stay together i don't want that for kebba oh i don't want that for you know what you rather him like not have a team to play on go to the clippers go to the other team in la you know what yes they offer the contract they i feel like they actually build their team much better than the lakers have like injuries have just like absolutely screwed them over but like they bring in guys like nick batum and the lakers don't bring in guys like they impact very well like that and they end up like tarant man and nick batum and guys like that like that surrounds stars really well when the lakers just throw in literally anybody so and this also means that detroit essentially traded jeremy grant i think there are some other picks involved down the line but for kemba for kemba and jalen durin for for right now like that's basically what it seems like to me and shantel i mean the kemba walker experiment didn't work out but look this is one of my favorite players ever uh especially in colis but also in the nba i just love his spirit love what you can do and was bumped out the shard that could never surround him with anyone better than like nick batum but it seems to be toward the end here and um oh al jefferson too al jefferson was really good when they were together for a couple years um but you know kemba walker i mean what do we think here i i mean i think it's pretty easy like ryan mentioned he's going straight to the lakers he put in on that purple and gold and he might have a chance to hopefully turn i want to see kemba turn things around i also think sometimes tom thibodeaux has a system where for some guys it just might not be that system the right system we saw kemba struggle a bit but i think you know what he could be a good piece for the lakers because the lakers will take anybody especially if they've had been a perennial all-star he fits the mold criteria like the lakers have a criteria where it's like have you been an all-star have you been a perennial all-star are you a name are you are you a big how many instagram followers do you have yeah are you are you clutch where if lebron is gonna give up the last shot at the last second can you hit it he hit that big shot at uconn so he fits the criteria of the lakers and i and you know what they wanted him to remember there was all that talk at the deadline that the lakers did want kemba so i think he's definitely going there but i hope he's able to revive his career because i mean brian if anyone has seen our stuff we do agree on a lot of things kemba is one of my favorite players too yeah and as a nix fan i was devastated that it didn't work out for him in new york just because i thought i thought the nix made a good move on picking him up but i guess not so four-time all-star national champion potentially somebody who sneaks into the basketball hall of fame as well so i hope that i hope that he gets one more shot of and it's really uh it just could stay healthy more than anything else because he did have some moments this year when he was healthy did have some big performances but it's hard to sustain right now with the injuries and sometimes it just breaks that way for guys and he's going to be entering year 12 so it is what it is chris haines reports that the chicago bulls are selecting dale and terry number 18 whoo okay that's my dog right there the chicago bulls have an interesting team and i one of the trades that we're not going to hear about tonight i didn't i think that i think that a lot of the big trades we're going to have to wait on but rudigo bear smoke is out there and the chicago bulls have been linked to this centered around i guess necola vuchovitch i don't know patrick williams is involved they have to throw in some other stuff if i'm utah i'm trying to stick them up because if i'm going to trade rudigo bear i want to get a lot back obviously but look this is this is very interesting and we have dale and terry who i think can make the bulls rotation or any challenge for it like i don't know how soon he's going to play but we saw what i owed to sumu last year this is ricky that was drafted in the second round and he played right away so ryan do you think he could have uh you know they're not the same type of guy necessarily but similar impact maybe as a yeah i think they both bring like the energy spark off the benches is there is their game and dale and played with a lot of star power like madden and christin colloquia arizona one of the nation's best teams he is a very very high q pastor he's a very good defender and the energy he brings on the floor like it's crazy he is he describes himself as a dog like he is literally a dog he's clapping people's face when all the time like he's very likable and some of that affects his personality he reminds me so much of herb jones like if herb jones is this much this good at defense and here's offense it's probably like a little teeter the other way i think dale is a better offensive player because he was passing but a little worse on the defensive side he's six seven with a seven one wingspan and he's basically a point guard like the things that he brings is very unique and i think for a team like the bulls i said like the hawks the calves that want to make another playoff jump he's perfect us basketball nerds love herb jones oh he's yeah he's the best harris commented uh where where is germy sohan's accent from and also noted that killian imbappe is at the nba draft which i think is helpful information i should have shout out to imbappe uh for for being at the draft repping a lot of dudes from france that is pretty good drafted so i think that you know he's just wrapping by the way by the way in terms of france you're seeing some guys here who could potentially play on that 2024 olympic team i just want to say team usa y'all better hope y'all better hope you get some guys come down the pike because i saw that report about joelle bead trying to see if he could play for france because he has family out there and has fresh nationality i don't want to see a joelle bead rudy gold pair front line with some of these guys who are going to be ishmael kamigate oh my god usman jang look man bon carol's playing for italy he said today by the way i don't know they're going to be that good but um so you better hope that andre a and doesn't want to play for the mohammas doesn't sound like he does you better hope you can get the andre a because team usa other than badminton bio and jared allen you need some centers it's a point actually so that's that's just down the line right now we're at the we're at the 19th overall pick i think you're going to start to see more trades we're going to take this to uh about five or so more minutes we're going to take you two hours flat uh so we have a little bit more here we're probably you know 20th pick and then get out of here but the minnesota timberwolves are on the clock uh wendell more somebody i think they should consider here we don't know if de angelo russ was going to get traded but last year they did have a big one of their only playoff seasons in history they made it to the playoffs eight times with kevin garnett once with jimmy butler and one other time which was last year in their entire history just 10 playoff trips so wendell more i think is somebody who's interesting here they're i think i heard zack a little yesterday on a pod say that they've also checked and i'm really go bare and a car anthony towns really go bare parry is interesting to me but they you know patrick reverie sort of ignited their defense a little bit jared vanderbilt they found something there defensively uh anthony edwards uh who i still need to watch and hustle but i hear it's really good he is somebody who's going to start really like he's going to all star challenger all mba potentially very soon i think minnesota could be on the brink of something special they just have to be very careful with how they managed this so they were requiring about capella also miles turner like a veteran center so the cat could like be a little free i think which is interesting because like i guess that would help them out but you see a lot of those small ball like modern line of succeed very very well and i think cat could definitely do that but maybe they thought otherwise i feel like they needed more defense and in the on the perimeter in the front or their backcourt excuse me especially when they're trying to move off the deal oh so i wonder if that means like so is the package they're trading back for some hypothetical center does it i guess it has to involve jared vander jared vanderbilt as well it would have to maybe it's not just de angelo russles so ryan did a little ooh that isn't jade laravia yeah memphis is acquiring number 17 from minnesota never mind everything i just said memphis is acquiring number 19 that's a 17 i'm at 19 you're 19 from minnesota uh i'm planning to select wake forest is jade laravia i like this and jade laravia good shooter attacks the basket really well i love this that's interesting he does a lot he did a lot for wake for him in a lawn just did everything for wake forest because there was no one else on wake forest but he is a very good like modern perimeter forward like shuntel said he has a really like underrated playmaking style it's him and because a lot of the weight was on their shoulders and he was the front court presence he had to play stronger be a good rebounder shop locker defender like he's very very well balanced and all around and like memphis doesn't have a lot of guys like like like down their team especially with size so and they're they're a team that like are they going to package steven adams and uh you know brandon clark for something what are they going to do dealing brooks right you know what are they going to do with tyus jones like there's some question marks there they also had two first rounders 22 and 29 so i'm curious to see if those are the picks that they use to try to move up and get 19 for somebody that they've really liked memphis speaking of teams on the break of something special who knows what i still think the warriors wouldn't necessarily see if john rand is healthy but it's obviously a better series um but who knows what they can do going forward and the west is going to be loaded and they're going to be a reason why i'm straight leaves a comment for us uh saying when do y'all think kai soto will be drafted kai soto uh ryan's making a face i'm not sure if he's going to be drafted his stock is taking a hit but kai soto for people who don't know uh is from the philippines really became a star on like if you're following basketball i g on slam and things of that nature you started hearing about him from an international standpoint we talked about usman zank who played in australia earlier he played with the adelaide 36ers in australia as well um look pretty good but like you know doesn't look like i thought i would be hearing more about him and i'm not quite sure ryan you made the face let's go to you here in this shantel chime in kai as he should because of where he's from in his story he has a very very strong fan base and that is incredible to see it's awesome can they i think maybe at times they get a little overpowering and stuff like that and they like have high two high expectations on especially draft position yes shantel we we know this with mani paki out like you know philippinos they come through for their people you know saying so shout out shout out to y'all we do it too as for americans trust me like we we we we love we love uh the people who represent our core as you should as you should and like it i get it uh i think jaylen green has philippino descent too right i think he does yeah i know he's Jordan clarkson jordan there we go as well yeah so like they it's they're starting to be on the rise by the way they did use 22 and 29 to move up to 19 so minnesota has 22 29 40 48 and 50 they're not they're not picking all that there's no way to make five players i mentioned teams that could buy second round picks teams like that you look at a minnesota who like oh they have all those picks let's try to buy one like if you're a you know a philadelphia a miami a brooklyn or something like that that's a good point yeah shout out thoughts on kai soto i don't think he gets drafted like i'm just gonna be i'm gonna be real with you guys there's a lot of guys on the board right now that are more skilled in kai soto i think we've seen a lot of hype on him will his game be able to transition well into the mba that's my only concern with kai that's what i'm wondering he could go undrafted and have a team pick him up or possibly play in the g league but i don't think it's gonna i don't know if we're gonna see that especially not tonight i i would i would take a shot at him in the second round uh late second round yeah yeah like mid late second round if i didn't love what was there there are some guys i like i talked about them earlier but i think i would take a shot at him just because like and i'm not the guy who like i understand talent wins but to a point you still need chemistry you still need culture depth and all those different things but i think he has enough talent uh raw ability to where it's like all right late in the second round i'll take a stab at this especially if i'm a team like you know if i'm somebody who's not trying to win now and i could actually play him and develop him and things of that nature so if i'm looking cleveland they want to win now to a point but cleveland he's still like if he's coming off their bench or if he's in the canton i don't even know if they still have the canton charge in the g league but if he's if he's one of those teams if he's on one of those teams that would make sense i'm looking at uh you know maybe in orlando they don't have a late second round there but they could obviously come back in indiana has the last pick in the draft as of right now team like that that will make sense i'm straight ads in the comments section do y'all think anyone from this draft do y'all think anyone from this draft could be the next fj if so who uh i will say no uh not fj um you know unless the mj stands for not michael jordan or magic johnson you know what i mean i can't even yeah jaylin williams if he was on the hawks i don't think you're getting a michael jordan in this draft but i do think you're you're gonna get some good players for sure so we're two hours in uh we're you know another pick or so and we'll be out of here thank you guys for rocking with us for watching commenting sharing liking a bunch of retweets on twitter uh interacting so that's great um you know we're gonna be doing some more of these hopefully uh in the future but yeah right now we're at what are we 20th pick and confirm that you know the minnesota and uh minnesota and uh memphis trade is confirmed um harris says do you guys want to cover basketball no uh ryan does other stuff as well but you'll obviously find a lot of his uh draft stuff and uh college basketball insights and mba insights on his twitter shantel and i uh we do basketball but we also do a lot of boxing at mma so if you like sanctioned violence um we are there for you i also do some baseball stuff but shantel also does like soccer so like we're kind of a little world over the place for the world cup but we're gonna we're gonna link we're gonna have a world cup stream maybe a watch party or something yes oh i love that yeah i love this question and yes so you could find us talking about on fan duel and you know on our twitters and stuff like that boxing mma whatever the case may be patrick taylor says do you think kofi cobert will be drafted and kofi cobert is somebody that i interviewed in college uh high school rather because he went to christ king not that far from me with jose alvarado same school um moosa sisay same school um tyson walker also who's at michigan state now and kofi cobert i think he's somebody who is slept on i would take him in the second round i would take a shot at him i think if you get him into the right system he could come in 12 15 minutes tonight and contribute i think people just look at senators and be like i like i don't think a senator's gonna work and i think he's one of the senators who's who could adapt and can work so long as he could uh defend at the very least i think he could defend rebound and finish around the basket and i think that can get you a long career if he could become an evika zubats or something like that then i think that would be great so portland should look at him actually like i think when i was looking at kofi i was like i hope portland picks him up being from the west coast to get all the portland games so yeah i think they need him to like as they don't rebound really well they don't defend really well so it's a piece that they could definitely look at okay so you could take him instead of free harris says anthony joseph versus olig sandor usig watch along listen a fendul if y'all want to do is i'm telling i we're here we're here we want to do watch alongs for every fight okay like drop it we're sick terrace crawford and aeros pet we want to go all right we want to go straight up like we could do the watch along we we want to be live they are also providing content covering it and and there's canada alvarez triple g the uh the third fight is going to be in september we got some big fights coming up later this year so yo yes if y'all want it like demand it and we'll try to we'll try to make those things happen because we want to do that for sure alfre says do the y'all think shed home group will be a bus due to its size and getting dominated in the paint by bigger men i don't think he's going to get dominated because defense is actually one of his strength strength i actually think ryan i'm going to talk to you i think he's kind of like really go bare with offense and uh with the ability to stress the floor um i don't know if he's going to be that good defensively although i think really could be a little over it but i i think shed i don't think shed's going to be a bus i just worry about his frame and his future availability i think he needs to pack on 20 30 pounds and it's hard to do in the nba when damn it you're running all the time so it's going to take a few years rudy go bare with a better offensive game is an mvp that's an mvp candidate with which to be fair chet that's chet's upside it really is to win mvp because that's what it is i don't think he does a lead of a defender is like a true rim protector as rudy is yet he is so good at using his length one thing i say is like you think he's really small if you think he got dominated against jalen durin against memphis you go back and watch that game every time he was up against him he absorbs contacts so well he lets jalen durin into him and uses his length over him he's really smart and he has a little bit of toughness to him that people don't like really like to quantify which is so important for him because otherwise he would get tossed around but he doesn't take it easily he's got a little bit of like cockiness and swag to a good level in his game so like i'm not worried about him at all i think his floor is very high and people like because of his length and how crazy and unique he is so yeah so there we go we said home grin we have a 20th pick santonio is taking malachi brand and that is interesting santonio i like their draft so far they just sit there and wait for people to fall every year they do this they just wait for guys to fall then they just turn them into good players so yeah i'm surprised malachi fell that far though just because like you think about it he's but he fits the santonio system pretty well right they want him to defend he's super versatile he's got length and he's a good shooter so he's like one of the i think he might be the best natural scorer in the draft he's very yeah he's very efficient very efficient pure scorer yeah so before we get out of here because we did make it to 20 picks and we are at two hours and we're coming up against it uh again thank y'all for rocking with us uh i'm gonna toss this to everybody here uh best players available in the draft and or you could also go in this direction do we have any bold predictions for what we're going to see left over um you know in terms of later in the first round or whatever i think we're going to start seeing more unsexy trades and just teams trading out of the first round and things of that nature nothing big santonio um well for players to watch out for i've been talking about tai tai the entire draft i think he gets taken pretty soon but i also like patrick baldwin from malwaki you know a few years ago when he was come out of high school he was one of the top recruits dealt with some injuries but i think he's a skill he's a good shop locker he can really shoot the three he's more of a project he's really raw but and he has to get better defensively but this is a guy that you can bring on to a team he's a little bit raw work on him but the fact that he can shoot threes like that and he can block shots patrick baldwin out of malwaki and tai tai washington for me also i mentioned kennedy chandler those guys are the sleepers in the draft where i think they could definitely add to a team for sure yeah tai tai agree on uh go ahead i'll take my fish up oh yeah and i think there's gonna be unsexy trades that's all we're gonna see like unsexy trades throughout the night i think we all agree on that christian christian brawn by the way christian brawn number on 21 oh 21st picks i love this i love i swear i was one of the only people that i could find that is high on him and i said he's gonna be in top 25 he's definitely a first rounder i love this pick i also love guys like marjane poachan for them but this is also a great pick they do a they do a kind of similar role he's a high impact player christian but i was literally gonna say christian brown but he's one of them tai tai 100 at 22 now i had i am a mock tai had tai tai going at 19 the t-wolves now that they're at 22 and 29 i love them taking him at 22 and that actually now they're on the clock uh the t-wolves while other guys like jaden hardy ej woodell blake westley still on the board really high upside wing uh there's a lot of good players here i think this class is very deep with first round talent they might not be all be star potential and be stars down the road but there's a lot of deep talent here in the first yeah and for me uh somebody draft nicole ovitch as i just i'm a little surprised he's fallen this far the spurs the spurs have a shot at 25 i feel like they're gonna get nicole ovitch or ismail kamigate um boy if he falls to miami at 27 i think miami is for sure gonna trade out of the first round but i keep that pick if nicole ovitch fell into my hands um like yeah and he he's one of these guys that the draft is sitting around i think he's gonna be really good so nicole ovitch for me so we'll wrap it up here uh any final thoughts other than what we just said before we get out of here i hope aji griffin shoots 80 percent from three next year so i'll tell parting shop for your for your nicks perhaps uh the nicks are gearing up to do some they have picks now so i think some moves are gonna be made i do think that they try to go for mitchell yes i definitely think they try making that move you know and i i i'm i'm gonna be honest like you mentioned kairi early on i think kairi and kady are just trying to play hardball right now okay like i thought you're gonna talk don't talk don't talk yourself into that experience it's just no no i'm not no i'm i'm good i know the handles are tantalizing and everyone they know pure hoops and he's you know he has a great mid-range game and can create and has maybe the best handles ever but all the other stuff matters too so yeah uh that won't be my parting shot i'm just gonna say one somebody draft nicole ovitch and two um look if y'all want if y'all want some boxing and mma watch alongs like we'll try to make that happen obviously so thank you to shantel thank you to ryan hammer follow them both you see their ads right there um and thank you to john rostin who was with us earlier uh enjoy the rest of the draft and don't get too overly caught up on your phone and uh hopefully you guys are winning money on your best tonight so as as always uh bet will you chest bet responsibly and thank you for watching we'll see you again on another stream another time peace oh yeah yoy what is going