 And here's the Secure 96 board here made by Hope Run and for you. I'm Joakim Bek, I'm the technical security working group. I've been spending some time doing some programming with one of the chips on this device. And you're from Hope Run? Yes, we made it. Yes, my name is Duja, we made it. You made it? Yes. So, you had a session about this, what is special about this? Well, it's actually not really a new idea. I mean, there are a couple of other devices already on the market doing more or less the same thing. But some of them have, they're not for sale anymore and license-wise it wasn't really what we wanted to have, for example. And it started out that we would like to have a way to store keys, for example, on any device, basically. And it could be hard in some cases if you have a MCU from different manufacturers. And especially when we were dealing with Safari initially, it was a little bit hard to decide where to store things. So we started to look into another solution. Is there anything external that we can use? And we found out about one of these sizes here. So, what chips are on here? Can you show it? Can you show it a bit closer to the camera? So, there are, well, the leftmost one here is the FTDI. So that's just for the communication protocol and so on. The middle one here, or that one, that's the TPM chip. And then you have the AT-SHAR 508A, which is asymmetric authentication chip. And the next one is the AT-SHAR 204A. That's almost the same, but it's a symmetric chip. And then you have some E-Prom also, flash. So it's a mezzanine board? Yep, yes. For what does it use for? 96 boards or anything? Right, so it's the same, I mean the same 40 pin header here. So you can just plug it into the CE devices and just use it. And so how much is cost? What do you sell it for? Maybe 20, about 20. 20 dollars? Yes. And what kind of security does it bring? Yeah, I mean, I think this is most interesting to people that are prototyping or want to get into this working with security chips and so on. Because they get access to, for example, a TPM quite easily. It's not expensive and they have all this cool functionality and quite powerful functionality on a single device like this. And that's quite unique. I mean, if I want to play with my TPM, should I do it on my laptop or do I want to do it on this instead? So what's a TCG TPM 2.0? That's the standard by this group who are developing the specifications. And it stands for TPM? TPM, trusted platform module. Trusted platform module, so it's a trusted chip, trusted hardware. And it's the only way to make security you want it in the hardware. You can't just do some software tricks to keep stuff secure. It's hard. I mean, there are ways usually to grab things if it's not hardware protected. And that's just one step to do and potentially some chips will have more and more of that on the SoC? Well, TPM is used. You have it in every single laptop today, I guess. So you can just enable it if you want to. But again, if I didn't know anything about TPM and I would like to start playing with it, I would prefer not to play with it on my laptop because there's a risk that it can lock out things and so on. So having it done like this and prototyping, get used to it and so on. So how was it for you to work with the NARA to make this into something you can sell? It's an interesting process to... Yes, it's very interesting to make the Secure 96. For us, we feel very honored to have this opportunity to produce this board. Cool. All right. So how soon is available? Yes. Can buy now? Next month. You can buy this in the next month. Cool. Are you going to buy one? I already have one. Thank you.