 I don't get a phone call in the middle of this, by the way, if you hear any background noise like a witch's laugh, farts, anything like that, it's all just out there in the house. It's not me. Okay. That's going to be an excellent way to start the stream. I know. If you hear farts, just know that it's not me. Yeah, it's not me. It's not me. It's one of the dogs, my mom's, somebody, somebody around here. It's just whoever is around, that's not me. Likely story. All right. Hey, everybody, we're live. Welcome to the Linux cast. My dog is crying outside the door wanting to come in. She can not do that. If we can get some Yays or nays on the audio. This is me saying some words, lots and lots of words. Tyler's about to say some words, words. This is words, speaking words. Okay. How you guys doing? I'm hoping that the my audio is better than last week. Last week, I was a little bit basic. Here's my public apology to Josh for mocking him, for saying that the audio was bad. I'm sorry, Josh. You were right. The thing is, I have unreliable people in the chat who always says, yeah, your audio is fine. And all of a sudden, I sound like an automaton. Well, and also too, I'm pretty sure, I'm pretty sure, when it comes to live streams on YouTube, the compression doesn't help people being like, you know, like detecting the fine, fine details of audio. If you're listening to this on your phone or whatever, you're going to get a lot of different sound than if you're listening to, through it too, through, you know, 300 other headphones. Yup. So yeah. So we're getting some Yays, audio is fine, audio and video are perfect, excellent. We're professionals. 110%. We're, I've become an audio engineer. That's not true. That's not even close to be true. That's really bad. We should just be lucky that I'm not using the webcam audio because I did that for a video this week and God, I'm so mad at the end, then it realized until the end. And then I really, then I listened to it like, God, this sounds horrible. I really wish that the webcam makers would just let us save $10 and leave the microphone out like seriously. Just give me the webcam. I don't need the microphone. Well, the problem is, is if they're not going to make quality webcams, or I guess I should say high quality webcams, then they have to be able to throw in the shitty microphone and be like, well, why are you upset? No, like we gave you a microphone, like it doesn't matter that you'll never use it, but we still gave you one. You're welcome. If you work at Logitech or a webcam company, just tell them to make good webcams. Damn it. That'd be nice. And could someone at Logitech please just, I mean, seriously call Discord and tell them to do something, literally anything about the green flashing. Yes, please. We beg you, like literally, I would sign up for Nitro to get rid of the green flashing. Oh, my God. That is saying something. That's literally say I'll pay 10 bucks a month to get rid of green flashing. I'm kind of with you, though. Like it'd be worth it. It's so annoying. By an SLR camera or a mirrorless camera. I just, I don't, you guys don't want to see me in that high of quality. Plus it's YouTube by the time. That's one of the things I don't understand. Like Mark has Brownlee and Linus tech tips. They buy like hundreds of thousands of dollars in camera equipment and then put it on YouTube where there's compression and the highest you're ever going to view it in is 1080p. I mean, OK, sure. Some people are doing 4K, but what, 10 people? Maybe 1440p. But they're recording in like 8K. Like, OK, no one's first of all, nobody has the Internet Stream 8K. Yeah, no, hell no. Not even 6K. Like you could like, no. Like most people don't have the bandwidth to stream 4K. There's a reason why you can't even select the actual resolution on the phone. Like if you go to the YouTube app on your phone, you just be able, you can just choose from high, medium and low. That's all you can do. Mine lets me choose like custom or like advanced or something and then I can select the like specific versions. But I probably also haven't updated my YouTube app in a long time or something like that, because I don't really stay on top of that kind of stuff. Also, speaking of like updates, like my Android phone has been begging for an update for like weeks now. I'm just like, nah, nah, not yet. I see that bug me. I don't I always update my stuff. I always got to have the noon's shiny stuff. If like I trusted my phone to update and and it like be remarkably fast every single time, I would do it. But there's like, you know, there's there's some updates that just they take a bit like couple minutes to like four or five minutes. And like, normally, if I'm looking at my phone, I want to get something done really quick. Not waiting another five minutes for it to update. A couple seconds, sure. But too often and not it's way too long. Oh, I do need to get audacity loaded up. Oh, me too. I opened. Here we go. Oh, my God. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's right. I am using different layout where that, oh, shit. OK, audacity is not installed. Give me just one second. I'm using my steam deck, boys. OK, what? Back. Come on, come on, baby load up. Oh, Dasty, let's see how long it's going to take me to spell this. Oh, good. I don't need to spell it all out. There we go. Installing. Sweet. Oh, yeah. So like using Dvorak is. It's not cohesive. Dark zero. How are you doing, Dark zero? How are you doing, bud? Welcome to the chat. Jeff's in the chat. Ben's in the chat. Welcome, guys. I think Josh said he was going to show up. But yeah, you can't. Oh, to the call. Like, no, no, I think I think it was going to be in the live chat. I don't remember. He messaged me at like three o'clock this morning. I barely read it. I was just about ready to zonk. Anyways, welcome, everybody, to the live stream. Just so you know, as if you were watching this past the time we're, you know, live streaming, we do put timestamps in the comments and in the video description on both YouTube and Odyssey, but they don't show up until around eight o'clock PM Eastern time or so. That's when I come back to my computer to start editing and stuff. So if you want to skip past anything, you can do so. But the timestamps will be there eventually. We usually record this on Friday. So we're running a little bit of a day late. That's the reason why you get a special Saturday stream. So let's go ahead and get started. Shall we? Did you get Odyssey installed? Um, I believe so. It's using all the defaults. Let me do a little quick test record. This is me recording, making sure it's coming from the microphone. Yep, that looks good. That looks good. No, stop. There we go. And delete. I am ready to go. Good, sir. All right, let's do this thing. All right, I am pressing record on audacity. And making sure that I'm coming through the microphone, which I am. Damn. And then I'm going to record in OBS and you can do the claps whenever you like. All right. Three, two, one. Not bad. Oh, I didn't even hear your clap. So I think that's because they were exactly the same. We're getting good at it, I think. Oh, no. Also, I forgive forgive me for the arm, the boom arm. It's getting very squeaky. It needs some WD-40 or something. All right. Same with mine. All right, so welcome to the Linuxcast. We're going to start it. That's the end of the pre-show. It was very interesting. I'm sure everybody was very entertained. OK, here we go. Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Linuxcast. I'm your host, Matt. And I'm Tyler. Yes, he is. This is this is the Linuxcast. We talk about Linuxy things. It's an amazing, amazing podcast that you've probably just heard about because of our fame and fortune. I don't know. Yeah. Anyways, we talk about Linuxy stuff and that's what we're going to do today. Now, this is the first episode of our like kind of revamped show format show notes thing. Instead of doing a main topic, we're going to talk about news and stuff. So we have some really good news to talk about. So let's go ahead and jump in. But before we do, Tyler, what have you been doing in the world of floss this week? Kind of just. Enjoying the steam deck. So I'm going to be doing some stuff with Dvorak. And by going to have already started, but I'm going to do a live stream tomorrow because hopefully fingers crossed, no crazy crap will go to this weekend's been hella hectic. But hopefully tomorrow will be a little bit of a clearer day and I'll be able to do a little bit of a live stream like I've been wanting to do, but I'm going to do a void Linux install and do that with Dvorak and set up and do a live stream, do all that stuff hopefully tomorrow. But I've been using Dvorak and mess around with my steam deck and it's been pretty nice. I'm still slow as hell with Dvorak, which is not surprising. But fingers crossed will get better. And yeah, I've just mess been messing around. I started playing around with doing a daisy local like server on the on the steam deck. And so like hosting my own like private daisy server and playing it on the steam deck together. It's pretty fun. It's pretty good. So yeah, that's pretty much all I've been up to about you, man. So we should talk about the Dvorak thing. So you were challenged by Josh, who is in the chat, by the way, to do the Dvorak thing. And I decided to do it with you. And so you lasted on it longer than I did. Congratulations. I did get faster than you, but I couldn't stay. I can handle the shortcuts. And despite the suggestion of remodding different keys to do it, it's just it's just easier for me to go back to QWERTY. So I went back to QWERTY yesterday. So I, too, have been spent. I, too, spent the week with the Dvorak. And there are many things to like about the Dvorak. I mean, the all the most popular keys on the home row is fantastic. Like it was really easy for me to pick up for a lot of things. But the. Mod keys that control S control Z just wouldn't work. Not when I can't use the right mod keys. I just couldn't not get my fingers down there to do those comfortably. So I kept having to use the left mod keys and the S and the Z are on the other side. So it became a two handed operation and it just was not something that I could pick up. But overall, it was a good experience. And this made me think about using Colmack again, because it doesn't move the S or the Z. So that, yeah, that's one thing that I did. But also I've been spring cleaning, even though it's October. So I got a little confused, I guess. But and it's not really like I've been cleaning like my house or anything, although we've been doing that too. But I've been going through a lot of my directories and stuff on like my external hard drive and getting a whole bunch of stuff out of there, kind of. Removing a whole bunch of data that I just don't need. That's why I've been messing around with that other than that. Just it's just been work. I had the urge a couple of days ago to a distro hop. I refrained from distro hopping. I was a good boy. But you wanted the funniest thing that wrote the reason why I wanted to distro hop or why the thought popped into my head. You're going to laugh your ass off. It's because I saw someone using GNOME. I was like, hey, that looks really cool. I swear to God, there's this somebody linked in my. Somebody linked to my discord. I think you're finally doing it. You're finally opening up. Share your true feelings. You did predict that that would happen. It didn't happen, but it almost happened. Well, the way he was using it, like, you know, maybe I have been using GNOME wrong all of these years, and that's why I didn't like it. There's there's still some really stupid paradigms in GNOME. Don't get me wrong. But the way he was using it, God, that looks really cool. I should try to find. Boys and girls, this is what we call flirting. And this is how the love affair starts public, the public one, the private one's been going on for years now, but the public one, this is how it starts. I'm so excited for you, Matt. This is great. I cannot wait for you to fall in love with Kano. OK, I'm going to share this video that I watched that caused me to do to almost almost top. I shared it in the chat. But anyways, yeah, that that almost happened. Like almost like maybe I need to go use a GNOME distro for a little while. I wanted something a little bit different, but no. But I did think so, like the door 37 is coming out. Like in three days or something like that, that's 25th. I think instead of doing an in place upgrade, I'm going to do a fresh install and install the GNOME version again. I know. But like I told you, I've been doing this spring cleaning and Katie installs just so much stuff. I'm trying to get rid of some of that stuff. And I just never use Katie. Like I've the only Katie app now that I use is Crusader, like it's the only one. I'm not getting rid of Crusader. So that's going to keep a lot of the dependencies on my thing. Also, let me I just need a rant about this for a second. But developers stop including dependencies in your applications that they don't need. Like, I mean, I'm not a developer, but there are some things that are blatantly obviously that you don't need in your app. So today I installed Thunar just to help out somebody who left a comment. And did you know that I think downloads basically everything that's XFCE? It downloads the panel. It downloads four or five extra things that you I mean, why does it need the panel? It doesn't make any sense to me. Just to download a file manager, like I expect that from Nautilus. I don't expect that from a thing that comes with XFCE. OK. You know, it's just really weird for me. Anyways, yeah, that's that's what's been kind of happening in my world. I have a fascination with GNOME now. I don't think it's a good fascination. I doubt very much that I'm going to end up, you know, actually using it. But it. I kind of want to use it. Kind of. I don't know. It's it's OK. Love can be scary at first. It's all right. I doubt I leave a tiling when I manage it for I doubt it. All right. Anyways, moving on to the contact information. The contact information, I probably should write that shit down. Anyways, you can find all of our contact information at the Linux cast dot org slash contact. That's where you'll find all of our links and stuff like that. So if you don't want to listen to this part, you can skip ahead. Of course, you can skip ahead right now if you're watching live because that part hasn't happened yet unless you're like, you know, time traveler or something. I don't know. I did not get enough sleep. It's going to be really fucking silly. Anyways, email email at the Linux cast dot org is where you can in contact with us. I do read the emails. I do not reply to emails very well. So if you've emailed me and I haven't replied, I'm not real. You're not special in that. I just don't reply very often and very well. So I apologize for that. Usually I just do them in batches like once a month. So I'm sorry. But I do read them when they come in because they pop up, I go read them and like replying is just, oh, man, I'm too lazy. I don't know. Anyways, you can also follow us on Twitter, Mastodon, all those links, the links cast at org slash contact. Tyler is on YouTube at youtube.com slash is any of G. He's also on Odyssey. I believe the username is the same. I'm not sure. I would go ahead and say try to be on those platforms. It's a good way of saying it makes the occasional video to do things. You can subscribe to the Linux cast at youtube.com slash the next cast. Please do so. I appreciate that. And what else? I think that that's it. I think that's the contact information. YouTube.com or excuse me, the next cast at org is the website where you'll find all the latest and greatest podcasts that we do all the way, all the way back to season one. And also blog posts. I blog post once a week. So and I mean, I don't think anyone's given you credit as of late, but we all should. Congrats on getting the website up. OK, it was so long that you were promising every single episode. Like, it was going to be up. And now you haven't had to mention that because it exists for a long time. Like, it's awesome. Totally not my doing. Someone else did it for me. So your yours did it for me. Don't tell on yourself. Don't tell on yourself. J-Dog gets the credit for that. I get the credit for maintaining it now, putting the stuff on there. But without him, the I mean, OK, I should be better fair to myself because I did put the website up to begin with. But I was very bad at updating it because it required a lot of work. He totally redid it and redid it in 11D so that I was able to update it with markdown and stuff. So it was way better. So, yeah, thank you, J-Dog. I appreciate that. Anyways, I just I felt really guilty there for taking credit for a head of pop in there and she's not my doing. All right, so I sit before we run zero Linux official. Check out zero Linux. I almost fall for them to even build a genome ice of zero Linux. But stuck on R42 X seems that they will directly jump to R42 in Arch. Arch is skipping 43. All right, I don't understand that. But thanks for the super chat. It doesn't make sense. Does that make sense to you? You know, well, I mean, there's a lot of harsh decisions that don't make sense. And. No, I have no idea why they would do that. That makes no sense. Manjaro might hold the package back. But I've never heard Arch, at least not a major desktop environment. Yeah. Interesting. Also, Josh, I don't know how I offended you. I apologize if I did. I don't know what I said. I don't know what I did. I don't know what I did. All right. I don't even think you said anything to be offensive. I mean, I'm sure I did. But yeah, all right. So anyway, it's moving on to the main part of the show. We're moving into the news links of the week. Don't sing, Matt. It's bad. You're totally off tune and you can't sing a note. Don't do it. OK. So, Tyler, what we're going to do is we'll go back and forth. Well, you'll do one. I do one. You do one. So which one would you like to do first? Oh, I wish I could pick one of your links as my link. But I guess we'll start it off like dull and kind of boring with my Corsair PSU link. So my article here is one from Veronica's, and it's about the Corsair HX1500i power supply. And the reason we're talking about it is it's got Linux drivers now. And this article is very short, sweet. It's basically saying like, hey, guess what? Some Linux drivers were added for some Corsair power supplies. Cool. However, it did make me think about something that is kind of an interesting discussion that doesn't need to be very long, but could be very interesting. What's your opinion on drivers being necessary for a power supply? Why are drivers necessary for a power supply? You just should just be able to plug them in. It should work, right? It'd be like having to have drivers to plug something into a wall. Yeah, but also why would why would you want anything with the features that would require a driver on a power supply? I think it's going to end up being because of the the ability to like control the fan speed and stuff like that. And probably I mean, come on, let's be honest. It's probably has RGB. So you probably you probably RGB controls. And that's probably what they're talking about here. Also, Josh, what the hell, man? What are you doing? I hear by Challenge Magistrate switches Sway for three months. OK. I like. Oh, you're to accept it. Or when Sway was on my list of things to do, but technically awesome when the manager is next. So we'll talk about that offline. How how worked that was. Sway is now officially happening next. All right. Thank you. Anyways, the driver thing, I like how you stopped. You stopped yourself from saying thanks, Josh. You're like, no, no, I appreciate the super chat. I just was like. 50 bucks for that. I appreciate that. Just it could have been worse. He could have said something like you got to run gentoo and rat poison. And then I would have banned him from my chat. Boys, everyone in chat, I need you to understand. He didn't even say good no, there. He came up with a rat poison. Like, no, I'm not even punishment anymore. I would have happily used the genome. Oh, how the world changes. It's great. It's it's it's a horrible place to live when you know it was an acceptable thing to be around. Anyways, yeah, so back to power supplies and drivers like yay or fun. Well, you know. Anyways, that's what we're talking about. A four hundred dollar power supply here, which is a lot of money for a power supply, a ton of money. It's like four four times more money than you would normally spend on a power supply. It also has a US also has a USBC port when I'm looking at right now. Yes, yes, it does. Yes, it does. I guess like to boil down like my article, really, in all honesty, what I'd like to know is does this kind of stuff make you worried that in the future we're going to end up with like the equivalent of power supplies working like Logitech or like Razor like pretty much all peripheral brands where like they have software that can do like really cool shit. But you can't use it if you're on Linux. It's like like. But this creeping into things that like are inside of your computer. Like not even peripherals. It is a little worrying, but also just think about this, even for even if you use windows, can you imagine because everything that you have to install driver for has to be running in the background as you run your computer up most of the time. Like that's almost almost universally true. Like the synaptics manager, if you use a touchpad, that thing is running in the background. It has a system tray icon all the time. The Bluetooth drivers usually have a icon in the. I mean, going to remember, this is back when I used to use windows. So they may have changed it, but I don't even know. But can you imagine having to have a SysTray icon for your power supply unit? I mean, the world we're living in. It's really silly. All right. Moving on to the next one, I'm going to choose Firefox View. OK, so Firefox View, if you if you are on a distribution that allows you to update to the latest version of Firefox, which is most of them outside of Debian, which uses the ESR version, you probably got the I think it's version 103, I think is the number. I'm not actually sure about that. Don't quote me. But anyways, they new update to Firefox and their key feature this time is a pin tab that shows up on the right hand side. I'm showing this on screen where it's where my bit war and icon is, but they put a Firefox up icon up there and it's now a like a tab page. You click on it and it shows you all of your open tabs on other devices, but also advertisements for Firefox products. So, yeah, it's it is something that you can dismiss easily. All you do is right click on it and click remove, which is nice. If that had been like Google, it would have been there permanently. So when they're but it's weird. See, this is the this is what me and you talk about all the fucking tap. How much development time was put in to this feature that could have been put in to other shit? That matters more. Yeah, so I'm on the screen. I'm showing what Firefox view looks like. And as you can see, it has a big advertising along the side for colorways, which is the themes that they are. Like the it's the thing that pops up now is let you choose the accent color for Firefox, like, you know, because we haven't had themes for 20 years. They have something new. Grab tabs from your mobile phone or tablet, get Firefox on mobile, recently closed and tab pickup, whichever which is open pages from other devices. And this thing is pinned by default when you have this version of Firefox. And like I said, the good news is is that it is. Removable, like you can get rid of this thing, like you don't have to have it, but it just. It's one of those things like why what. I'm not sure what this brings, you know, that you can already get. Now, yes, a lot of the stuff they buried, like this is the weird thing for me. A lot of the stuff that they put on this Firefox view page is stuff that they not removed, but buried before. So like the open open stuff on other devices that used to be front and center in the hamburger menu on Firefox, like you could you could click on the hamburger menu and say he he other tabs on other other devices. Now they've buried it and it's in the hamburger menu and then you click got to click on your account and then you got to click on tabs on other devices. And then you can find it. So it's in it's like three menus down. But then they decided it was also important enough to create their own tab page, which is really weird. And they're forcing it on people, which is also really weird. And they put it like they put it. The weirdest thing for me is they put it in a place where if you are using a custom user Chrome CSS, it like it pops up in like a spot that is just it's just weird. Yeah, Firefox view. I mean, well, like, I mean, when your company is dying or not company, but well, yeah, when your company's flagship product is quite frankly, dying and begging for users outside of the Linux distro, like this is pre-installed shit. Like beyond that, like it is dying and it's losing users by the second. Just stop coming up with new. It's like it's like the burger shop in the middle of your town where over the past few years, their burgers have just gotten shittier and shittier into like freshen things up and bring people in. They keep like remodeling the store, but they keep making the same shitty burgers. Like fix the reason why people are leaving Firefox. And I don't think anyone's leaving Firefox because their Firefox like desktop and mobile versions are out of sync or you just can't tell which one's got which on it from the other. They are definitely leaving it because of mobile version, but not because of this. The mobile version is just fucking awful. You should not use it. Is I have it on my phone. I use it for one single purpose and one purpose only. That is porn while traveling. Why? Because Firefox on the phone is a dumpster fire. And all of my porn, I want thrown in a dumpster fire when I'm done. Well, that one direction I never thought I was going to. But see, this is this is why people come to this show. It's honest. OK. Yes, indeed. Look, stay away from the Firefox mobile version. It's terrible. It's so bad. There's just so many things that are wrong with it. So they redid the Android version last year, maybe the year before. And, you know, like, oh, this is going to be the the the mobile update that you were looking forward to, like. No, it's not good. It's not it's not better than it was before. And now, like. So one of the things that I use my phone for is to read, like, online stories, like sometimes books, things like that. And the thing is, like, a lot of those things have like really long chapters. So when you pause in the middle of one, you know, you're in the middle of a spot, you know, and you go do something else or whatever, because you're going to spend your whole day reading the damn thing. And you close fire, you just go around and do your business. You come back to it, Firefox will not remember your position because it almost always, almost always clears it's out of a lot of memory. Now, some of this is Android, especially, especially Samsung. Samsung will not let you pin a browser to memory. So, like, a lot of times you can force things not to close with Firefox or any other browser you can't. It's just stupid that we do have to give Firefox that one there. So I can say that is not their fault. Yeah, it's so it just drives me nuts. That I mean, remembering position is not that hard. It's been done many times on the desktop, like Firefox on the desktop can do it. So I don't understand why the mobile version can't do it, especially on Android, where they have full control, like they're using their own engine and everything on iOS. At least they can blame the fact that they have to use Safari. So I don't know. Mobile browser, mobile browsers in period just kind of are terrible, but there's a reason why on mobile Chrome is the rulers because it's way better than the Firefox version. It's just so, so, so bad. All right, moving on to the next one. Tyler, which one did you want to go with next? Well, since we were speaking of bad things, let's go with the hackers use Linux ransomware to attack Russian organizations. Kind of interesting, like, all right, look, regardless of how you feel about conflicts across the world that probably don't even affect you in any way, in a meaningful way, let's at least right now. But anyway, let's stay on topic. Okay, so apparently old Gremlin, which is like, they're like a nerdy gang. They're a ransomware group, but come on, if you're gonna create a ransomware group and you're just gonna do bad shit or at the very least questionable shit, don't name yourself old Gremlin. Come up with a badass name. Okay, come on, but anyway, so they have apparently done about 16.9 million in ransom attacks on, I'm gonna assume most of this is towards Russia or Russian related stuff, but they're making it specifically to target, not specifically, but they are using like Linux ransomware attacks, which I just think is so awesome because now we've hit the point where we're starting to become a target, which is awesome. And this is kind of interesting to read just in kind of the multiple different ways that they've come up with attacking Russian organizations. It kind of gives you a little perspective that there's groups of people out there that are like really good at hacking shit and eventually Linux desktop Linux will catch these people's attention. It's a little scary. So yeah, you know, some fun ransomware on the Linux side of things, fun stuff. Interesting to admit it was written in Go. And why are we not surprised? Of course it's written in Go. Come on, man. Yeah, look, the thing is when it comes to this stuff, should we be cheering this on? Because eventually they're going to point this at someone else, but also... Exactly, that's the real problem. It doesn't matter how you feel about it or how they're using it right now. But most of these things get copied. Yeah, I mean, think about it. I'm going to use this opportunity to rant for a minute. When it comes to ransomware, the vast majority of this stuff gets on your machine because you clicked on a link in your email. Don't click on links in your email. I don't care if you're using Linux, Windows, don't click on links in your email ever. And stop downloading memes off of Discord or wherever else. Just stop. Unless you're absolutely sure you know exactly what you're clicking on, don't click on it. But even then, that's... Hold on, let's be honest with people here for a second. If you're going to download something that someone sends to you, you need to download it from a nerd. I wouldn't say like us, but preferentially like people who are like us and that they like technology and stuff, but they're professionals and like they work in security. Sure, when that dude sends you a funny meme, it's probably safe to download. Even if you trust the other person, don't just download their picture because they could have gotten a virus or ransomware and it's just not activated yet and they're sharing it with you. So like, just don't do that. Like, look at the funny picture on the app, go ha ha ha and move on. Like, don't download it and save it. It makes you wonder why we haven't come up with a containerized email solution. So, like... Good point. Containers are all the rage. Why don't we have a native email client that does... Anytime you click on a link opens up in a container. You know, like it cannot... It doesn't have access to anything other than its surrounding environment, you know? It just makes complete sense. Now, obviously that's going to come to Windows. But I mean... It seems like something that a Linux developer would want to get into, too. But the thing is, I talked about this in a video earlier this week. The native email client situation on Linux is horrible. And because most people don't use a native Linux client, they just use Webmail. So you can't really do the containerized thing in a browser tab. So... I mean, that's probably the reason why it hasn't happened. But it just makes so much sense to me. We have containers, containerized this stuff, and it would... Especially in a corporate environment where they... Seriously, Outlook has everything under the sun. Why doesn't it not have its own built-in browser that's in a container that can't be... You know... It doesn't have any of these flaws. It doesn't make much sense. I think we might have just given Mozilla a way to save their fucking business. Just make Thunderbird do all... Just open up... Make Thunderbird be its own containerized environment where whenever you want to interact with a link or anything on the internet, it's got like a built-in Firefox browser that's completely containerized. Can't do shit on your system. Right. Barely has access to the internet. You know? Wait a minute. Maybe even build in the image filtering thing. You know if you get an email that has images in it and it says all these images are not showing up for security purposes. Have that inside the browser so no images show up without you actually having to press a button. Not only would it make it faster, but also a lot of the stuff comes in through image files. So... Also can't download anything. Make it so it can't download anything. This does not seem to be if my dumbass figured this out. Also just don't click on links. Don't click on links. I know how interesting it is to get a cat video from this random person on the internet that you met on Facebook, but you probably shouldn't click on the link. But Matt, you don't understand me. The cat was just so cute. You're just not kidding. Alright, so there is random tangent, but I use TikTok. It's horrible of me, I know. But there's so much... Alright, so there is the stuff you hear about on TikTok that gets all the bad news like kids doing stupid shit and daring each other to do stupid shit. There is that. Baby Red Panda account that I follow. That thing is so adorable. Seriously, it's so cute. Anyways, I would click on the link for that. I'm just saying, I wouldn't care if I got malware if I got to see the video. It's so good. So what's your next article? I'm going to be talking next about Ubuntu Pro because this blew up big this week. And for a couple of reasons. First of all, what is Ubuntu Pro? It's been around for a while. It basically allowed enterprises to pay Canonical to add extra support to their long-term releases. And this was available for enterprises for a long time. But now, in a push to make the desktop more relevant, they are giving this to consumers. You can do this on up to five computers for free and you get an extra and I think it's 10 years of support starting with Ubuntu 16.04. So if you are one of those people who just does not want to update their system ever, you can do this. But it's more likely if you run like a home lab and you have a Ubuntu server on there and you don't want to update it because reasons, you can get security support on that for an extra 10 years. The thing that pissed a lot of people off, of course, is because Canonical just couldn't do something good. This is a good thing, right? They had to ruin it. They had to sprinkle some bad on there. They had to put an advertisement in the terminal when you didn't update. What? It's an advertisement. I actually think that I can find this link. It was on I think it was on Omg Ubuntu. This is how developers are going to end up ruining Linux. Where the brilliant ideas like let's just stop asking people for donations and struggling for money. Let's just start putting in advertisements in system updates. If you run sudo apt dis upgrade on Ubuntu, even if you don't have anything to update this, receive additional future security updates with Ubuntu pro. Learn more about Ubuntu pro at this URL. That's not nearly as much of an ad than I was thinking. I was thinking you're going to get some like shaman toilet paper shit. Obviously, they were doing it for their thing, but it's still in the terminal. You'd expect a pop up or whatever when you did a I don't know. It pissed a lot of people off. I don't use Ubuntu, so I don't care, but I don't know. It's a little weird. I mean, it's not that to me like I don't I don't see this as some like egregious shit, but this is a canonical move. Like even when they don't like screw up bad, they just they do good shit and make it to where they give they give an opportunity for people to just like freak out. Right. So I mean, you remember I don't care about this one whatsoever. So I'm trying to of course I am trying to feel the flames because it's fun. But I'm not the one that's but the thing is like Ubuntu did something good. Canonical did something good, but Canonical also doesn't seem to realize that they're the most criticized company in this ecosystem. They're the company that gets the shit for everything that they do, no matter what, no matter their intentions towards whatever they do, they are always getting this, you know, they're always getting criticized for for stuff, even whether even if there's nothing to criticize, right? They had to have known that this little thing that pops up in the terminal and as Josh says, it's apparently just one time it was going to catch attention. Right. Like that was the goal of it too. It's like, hey, check us out here. Maybe there any bad coverage is good coverage. I suppose if that's true. And it's not like this is really bad, but it's just like but I mean, if we're being honest, like most bad press that Canonical has gotten has only made them more notable and like it's not like people aren't the people who aren't using Ubuntu really aren't doing it just because like, oh yeah, I've heard Canonical's a devil. It's like, no, that's that's not really it's like they probably have a good reason for not using it. Linux Mint looks really cool. So I just went with that like that. That's probably why before I forget because I did notice this in the article. This is pretty interesting. Ubuntu Pro has a whole bunch of compliance management tools. So through Ubuntu security guide or whatever, but they have a tool so you can get a whole bunch of different cryptographic packages so that you can comply with FedRAMP HIPAA and like PCI DSS related work. I have no idea what that is, but I definitely know what HIPAA is and FedRAMP so like it's kind of kind of cool. So like if you're looking like as a business, like you've got a big business, maybe that does like medical work or anything like that. Ubuntu Pro is not just an option. It's a heavily advised one. Right. Plus if you're like a really small business, because you get five computers, you can do this for free, right? That's pretty cool. You don't, I mean you don't really see, I think well I was gonna say you don't see like Red Hat doing this, but Red Hat has a free like support tier as well for RHEL. I'm not sure what the details on that are, but I remember seeing that they do have something like that. I don't think that it is as generous as this, but I could be wrong. But the question that I have is does this move the needle on Linux at all? Like is this something that's going to bring in people to use Linux? The way that a lot of these are things, a lot of these are. Hold on, I will go ahead and say this. I think most likely this will incentivize some companies to come over to Linux. Just because like it's pretty easy, like I mean most servers, like most IT people are used to using an Ubuntu server, like that's definitely happened. I mean I'm not even a professional and I've used Ubuntu many times. So like I don't, I don't think that's going to be that hard, but with all the extra features that Ubuntu Pro has for like businesses in it, it probably is going to incentivize some like smaller, maybe mid-size companies to try it out and start using that, which only incentivizes more people to use Linux down the line because there will be jobs available you know in it. Yeah. Personally I'm confused by not what canonical did, but by how this was covered in a lot of places, like this still feels like even though they're doing this for like the desktop version of Ubuntu, this feels more like an attempt to gain business support, like we're bringing in very small businesses into Ubuntu who run just like maybe one or two servers or just one whatever and they want to run Ubuntu desktop along with it, right? This doesn't feel like oh my god, canonical cares about the desktop again. This doesn't feel like that. I mean maybe because I mean, all right most Ubuntu desktop users, I mean I'm generalizing here, but most of them probably update from LTS to LTS. So they go from 20.04 to 22.04 when it comes out or once the point release comes out then they move on. You wouldn't think that the vast majority of I mean, I'm sure there are people out there who just leave their laptop on 16.04 but it seems that's probably pretty rare, right? On a desktop system like on a server it makes tons of sense on a laptop or desktop computer I mean, unless that system's like really really old and it can't support some of the new stuff I'm not like why aren't you just updating? I don't I guess I don't understand those people. I'm having some kind of cognitive I'm having a stroke. I I just don't see the reason why you wouldn't but you gotta remember I guess for me it's not just my personality I like having the something that's at least close to being as updated as possible. And there's definitely going to be those people who like as soon as their system works they never update. Like a good example would be there's still people out there using Windows XP other than just the North Korean government. They've moved on. They made their own Linux distro. That's the reason why I think that this makes more sense for like business like businesses of course they're going to leave their machines on the oldest version they don't want to update their stuff and stuff like that that makes sense even their workstation stuff like that that stuff stays on the oldest version of Windows or Linux as much as possible for like personal desktop users who own their own computer I would bet money that the vast majority of them update faster than businesses do you know so they're going to move from LTS to LTS. Yeah. So this I don't think it really moves the needle in terms of desktop support for businesses it makes a ton of sense and for small businesses it probably does you know push some people towards being able to use Ubuntu because they're going to get support for longer but for regular people I'm not sure first of all they're not I mean as somebody said in the chat I'm sorry I forgot your name most people aren't going to see this quote-unquote advertisement because they don't use the terminal anyways they're going to update from GNOME software so I mean look that's true and also someone else said it doesn't really look like an ad to be honest and it's like it really did to me it's not really that big of an ad however knowing that like knowing that we've just talked about like ads and like you could just give a user an ad as like a a false like piece of software it's not a good precedent to set because we're going to have some more um how do you say I don't give a fuck people be like well I could just like throw in some ads like some sharpen toilet paper or hand sanitizer ads and just shove that into an ASCII art ad and throw it at you in the terminal hell even the console if you're in the console like it's not a good precedent to set where we're like you know as long as it doesn't look like an ad ad it's okay well plus usually the output from a command like that is reserved for stuff that's related to the command itself right you know the output of the command so if Canonical has chosen to do this with the Ubuntu Pro stuff what are they going to do with it next you know what I mean I mean that's fucking hilarious to think about for a second like typing away in the console you're like you're like like an update you press enter and then just like you've got Amazon affiliate links yeah like or like flow from like progressive or whatever it is like those ads and she's like hello you got the Geico Geico there yeah you're like what the hell is going on all right yeah I don't think it's gonna get that I don't think they're ever gonna do anything with it but it just you're right it does make us think yeah maybe they're gonna do something else with this space you know what else are they gonna put there are they gonna you know whatever fingers crossed we're wrong and this future is just completely ridiculous but I don't know it's a publicly traded company and like money so um okay so that is that one so Tyler your next one your last one I should say last one is a popper de and I'm gonna piss some people off by saying it like that because it is spelled paper de but I'm just gonna call it popper de literally only because I know it will really upset probably five of you watching everyone else is gonna be like I don't give a shit doesn't matter sounds sounds fun and cool to me um popper de again just rub that knife in whoever that upsets again I'm sorry about that I'm just having a good time popper de is a simple and touch friendly desktop environment for and we've kind of been seeing more of these like roll out um or at least come out at like gingos was another one but essentially a lot of people are now trying to make touch friendly um more tablet kind of friendly um desktop environments which I think is a great idea because I want to use something like this on the steam deck because Katie is fine but one of these would make way more sense like something that's just more designed for a touch screen when I don't want to use well a desktop environment that I'm more used to I'm going to ask this paper D built on GTK it's the answer is as no it's a it's a QT based environment that is running in Wayland and Wayfire um so it's uh it's Wayland purely and it's it's very much for touch the it's got very big buttons all over the place I'm showing it on screen if you can't see it now of course if you're listening to the audio version of this later you're very thankful that I'm showing this on screen because you can really see it you just picture it in your brain really big buttons it's like uh the the application drawer kind of looks like the genom drawer um just a little bit uh some big buttons and there's like a bar along the side that looks like the KDE plasma panel a little bit um but it does I think we should clarify it is obvious like it looks obviously like it's a very early stage project um because they don't really seem to have their own kind of um coherent style I don't know how to say that right it looks like they're just now getting to a point where they can really do the mind work and like fine tune it like it's kind of what it the pictures that they've showed off obviously I haven't tried it out yet um but from the pictures and everything that I've seen from it it looks like they finally gotten all the hard work done on getting it functioning and and working right and now they're just in that kind of phase of fixing bugs and fine tuning the design and everything for it so I think this is kind of an exciting project like I think we're gonna need more of these I disagree oh they're using a lot of KD stuff here so it looks like they're using Dolphin it looks like they're using the KD settings panel it looks at least they're using the settings panel icon from plasma when it comes to mobile and it looks like they have Kvantim here so this is supposed to be touch friendly right that's what's supposed to be right is for touch I'm guessing they're aiming more towards touch laptops than mobile from what I've seen because if like okay so you can remember I love plasma but I don't know if I'd want all that stuff on my mobile phone like you know what I mean so this has to be for a laptop I highly from everything I've heard this is more for like tablets like that's the idea behind it um but the like that's kind of the thing though that makes it difficult because if you're going to make something for a tablet it should probably also be pretty user friendly on a phone as well yeah well I mean first of all plasma is already responsive towards all that stuff so it's kind of like you know I'm in that it's like if you run down the applications they usually look mobile some of them because they're co-developing them to actually work on phones but also um my interesting thing is like do we really need another desktop environment do we really need one um that is something I hadn't even started to think about but you bring up a damn good point maybe it's good like maybe they'll be able to bring in some development for Wayland and Wayfire and stuff like that that you know kind of advances that because that obviously needs it we need special sauce there I could not agree with you more maybe some of the development will float up stream to plasma and QT and stuff like that and it will work fine it'll be a good thing to exist the thing is is that we've seen this before like there's a uh I think it's the Numix OS Numix I think is the it uses like a QT thing and they're completely redoing everything like they have a brand new file manager is called index or something and they've been developing it for a long time now you know a couple years and you use this thing and it's it's two years later and it still feels very very alpha and you just get this fence of like why like like I've become this guy now that I always look at something like why does this exist why do we need more of this and like it's not as if there's anything wrong with I just I just want like invent whatever you want to do redo whatever you want to do that's the way the open source world I'm fine but I still I want to know why you know I'm like I'm like that two year old kids like yeah but why why why why does this exist like what's the purpose of it like it's for touch screens okay which you're just making I mean you've basically made KDE but with bigger icons I mean that's kind of the issue with like most tablet like distros nowadays is GNOME's gotten to a point GNOME is making the argument that GNOME is not tablet friendly it's pretty fucking hard like I mean it's got big icons big bars has gesture support so like I don't know I mean it's just like really the only argument a different one would be like well I just don't like GNOME KDE like whatever I mean it would make sense to me if they called it KDE but with touch support or something like if they were trying to actually make KDE like that exists like KDE mobile plasma mobile exists but if they were actually just trying to make plasma like more touch friendly for tablets that'd make sense to me kind of but to make a whole brand new thing it just it seems weird to me but more power to them that's what's great about the open source community you can do whatever hell you want it doesn't have to make sense to me that's kind of the good thing we can disagree with you all we want to and no one has a problem I'm sure the guy who just called us yahooz on twitter is probably calling us yahooz again I that was an interesting tweet I should I should read that because I just got that tweet just now he says um where's this thing where I don't actually see it um oh there it is right there just listening to the October 1st podcast I got a good left listening to these two yahooz crapping all over Ubuntu and canonical and then going on to recommend Papa West is the default desktop uh in Canada hey in our defense we you know I don't know we don't have a defense I don't I don't really think we have to defend that Papa West is you know sure it's downstream from Ubuntu but it's not like we didn't know that and also I don't normally get called a yahooz so I enjoy that like that one's at least got some spice to it like I like it I don't even remember what we talked about on the October 1st podcast so um that's how memory well apparently we talked about Ubuntu and shit all over it and then said you should use Papa West yahooz alright moving on to the last link of the week um this was interesting so this is the thing Tyler is a big fan of 0AD and someone in their infinite wisdom stole 0AD and put it on steam um now it was not me okay I swear to god boys it was not me okay so not much to the story basically someone took 0AD which is free to do like you can do with this like you can upload it everything that they did is legal let's be honest except for one thing minor detail they uploaded it as the developer they took the developer's name and used that on steam that's where they went wrong if they used their own name like a made up name this would have been perfectly fine there would have been nothing to go wrong with it it still would have been kind of sleazy taking the exact binary uploading it and selling it for money would have been sleazy but at least you weren't trying to scam people by saying hey this is the actual developer uploading it to steam and you know trying to sell for money you know so it's not a great look for whoever did this but the thing is I still don't think that there's anything that steam is going to end up doing about this well other than just removing it from the platform I have a feeling that people are going to not just going to have already tried to get in contact with steam or let them know that this is a problem so I don't really think that this is going to go any further than getting removed off of steam however I do think it would be absolutely hilarious if this thing just keeps happening because there's almost no checks and balances on steam's side to keep you from doing this and people have been asking the zero AD devs to put their shit out on steam for a while now so this might end up being something that just kind of propels the actual and I'm not saying people should do this like if you want the developers to put it on steam tell them they're the guys behind like zero AD they're not like utter douchebags and just don't talk to people like try messaging them try getting your point across but like this might be something that gets them to where they finally put zero AD as early access or whatever on steam hopefully for free but honestly I really don't give a shit if they want to put it on steam like I love zero AD I've played shit out of zero AD they put it on steam I'll buy it for five bucks I don't give a shit like yeah like they've done a great job with the game I don't think that they would charge for because they're kind of proud of it being free I think part of the reasons why they care about this is because the person is charging eight euros for it so well and also claiming to be them those are the two things so this was happening in the Microsoft store for a while too and probably still happening is that people uploading like Gimp and Krita and stuff like that to the Microsoft store and then charging for it not only charging for it but charging a lot of money for it in some cases like $200 like no okay and some of them were like claiming to like oh we improved Gimp or something like that because we changed the icon it was dumb but you're right this is probably going to happen more and more with steam the question is do we see any policy changes on Valve's part I don't know it'll be interesting because like they don't steam doesn't have a real like they do a lot of good stuff for Linux and stuff like that but they're like open source support for actual games doesn't seem to be existing at all you know what I mean it's like when you go to a steam page it doesn't say hey this is under an open source license or something there's no place for that I don't think I don't think Valve talks about licensing at all with the games maybe this kind of thing spurs that you know but whoever did this stop being such a sleazeball dude at least change your name I mean that's literally the only real problem with what he did I mean you still shouldn't go buy it for 8 euros from someone who's not the developer yes we I think that should go without saying you shouldn't buy something that's free but also at the same time the guy who uploaded it pretty much didn't do anything wrong if you have 8 euros give the developers 8 euros and still found one for free yeah actual developers it's not random dude so yeah it's an interesting world we live in now I guess where anybody can upload to steam and just claim this shit that is theirs and then use the same name as the developer which is just mind boggling mind bogglingly stupid um yes that is the end of the news the news I'm seeing Matt it was good it was good I can't see where the damn all right moving on to the thingies of the week so this is the end of the show where we talk about interesting things in case the stuff we just talked about wasn't interesting but things that we found interesting applications tips things like that Tyler you don't actually have one in the show notes I don't know what's going on there yes because I was going to fill it out but then realized that I couldn't remember where in the frack I can't remember which key it was it was either C or D or something like that but I couldn't find one letter and so I was just like I screw it I didn't fill it out the thingy of the week Tyler what is your thingy of the week mine is mango hood which is like if you're unfamiliar it's kind of I think I've talked about it in one of the recent like episodes maybe I'm not sure but mango hood it's a fantastic application for specifically gaming but you could use it with other things but mainly for gaming and it's the little hood that you see up in the top left hand corner of people who are playing games where it's got a frame counter and tells you how much CPU usage GPU usage and all that shit it's all that pretty much if you're going to be gaming on steam or just gaming in general check it out it's fantastic it's really awesome so that's what my thingy of the week is excuse me I had a cough I had COVID there for a second I'm glad it's gone mango hood is good if you game I don't game so I don't have any you notice I still haven't bought a steam deck yet well I mean it's just that gaming addiction has got to start and then you'll be on board I can use the gnome on my steam deck there you go alright so my thingy of the week is an application that I actually made a video about this week it's called lazy get and it is really good it is a two interface for get and it basically allows you to see everything that has to do with your repo in one place in the terminal so you get to see all of the files that have been changed and you can stage them from there it shows you the branches it shows you anything that you have stashed it shows you the history of your commits so if you wanted to revert to a different commit you could reverse and rewind and stuff like that and then the most powerful part of it is also shows you the diff right there in front of you so as you go through and you know cycle through the files and stuff like that it will show you the things that have changed in each file which is really nice and it's all in one place right in front of you you don't have to enter files or anything like that you could also edit everything right from there if you wanted to so that's lazy get it's really really cool so yeah you know on the steam deck video please is that what you were doing about I just noticed that you've got just my webcam up on the screen it's I just decided to test to see if you on what level you were paying attention because if I knew a way I stopped looking at OBS um and I was looking at the discord screen so I apologize but I wasn't actually showing lazy get so it doesn't really matter so don't worry about that um anyways Tyler's much prettier well I almost said yeah to that you can agree it's alright um anyways um yeah so lazy get check it out it's a very good it also has there's also a Vim plugin if you wanted to um use it in Vim so check that out as well so that's lazy get and that's the thingies of the week so that is the end of the podcast for this week now this is live every Friday between 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