 The children really are the future, and so I really do believe in empowering the younger generation because they are the ones who are going to make a difference. I might already be too late to make a big impact, but the impact they will make, that's crucial, especially at the stage that we are right now, where we have, if you look at the statistics of how the climate is changing, the children are the future, and they are the crucial turning point within all of this. My Brett Christensen is my guest on this episode of Inside Ideas, brought to you by 1.5 Media and Innovators Magazine. My Brett is of Scandinavian and Mediterranean descent and upbringing, which figured her path in for circularity. When you hear circularity, you might think, what circular living, what is that circular economy, circularity, close loop type of living, being, and passion. Her interest and understanding of circularity led to past and current experiences with startups in Silicon Valley, World Economic Forum in Davos, local NGOs, and private projects. Serious childhood health issues led her to explore lifestyle and food options that were maybe a little bit different than the norm. She reset her health, shared her learnings, and has been on the forefront of boosting health and happiness ever since. Her insights are applied holistically throughout all aspects of her life, including family, especially family, applying the next normal to boost the next generation. She co-founded ACT or ACT as a platform to reach more people. She keeps connecting to thought leaders to make her insights available anytime and anywhere. She has two wonderful biological children, Magnus, who is two years old, and Mira, who is almost one month old, November 22nd, who is right next to her sleeping peacefully, but should, during our podcast, be awakened or anything, we will just continue on because that's the realities in life of having a wonderful family. She also has Mia, who is not biological, but a big integration and part of Andreas and her life, and who is in most of the posts you see all around. And we'll probably touch on all three children and some thoughts and beliefs of Migrit today. Migrit, welcome to the show. It's so good to have you here. I'm so excited. Thank you for having me. I'm excited too. So just so our listeners know, we originally first met at Malta Innovation Summit. That's correct. Yeah, and you were already pregnant there with Magnus, right? I was pregnant with Magnus at the time, yes. You were pregnant with Magnus, but you'd, I don't know how. I think one week before I gave birth that we met. Exactly. And you were at the Malta Innovation Summit for ACT and with your co-founders and kind of manning the booth and I don't know, I think you also did some presenting or you guys were trying to get a prize or win something as well. Is that true? Oh, my memory kind of eludes me at the moment, but yeah, we were very much integrated in the whole Innovation Summit in Malta. I'm not sure if we were participating for a prize though. I'm not sure we were. There was a couple in the prize and then I know you guys had a booth and we're there. I was speaking and so we crossed, we spoke a little bit and that's where we first met. And I think that was probably the real first time Andreas and I really kind of maybe exchanged a few words or paths across several times before, but we're always busy or doing other things. So that's really good. Just so our listeners kind of know the connection. I remember your speech. It was really interesting and you definitely captured the audience and you were talking about the donut economy, which essentially has to do with circularity. So it was really nice listening to you. I appreciate it. Yeah. It was good to be there. It was a great experience and I've before that and since then I've kind of had a warm spot for the Maltese people and for Malta and people who are living there and expats and all sorts of different connections that I've had in and not only in a diverse society, but also in the world economic form and other groups and connections, you know, Internet around the world so it's really interesting to see the connections and, and how people are interlinked that we're all, you know, such as such a small place as Malta is actually far reaching connected to many other places in the world and has some beautiful things to offer so I really like that. Yeah, Malta is very interesting. It's really tiny, but it brings many different cultures together so it has a nice dynamic. So you, as I kind of hinted to that Mira's there next to you, congratulations. So almost one month ago you had a beautiful baby girl and there was really kind of a natural experience around it not only was it during the still during the pandemic time maybe the second part of the lockdown or things of the pandemic but you know, nine months of pregnancy. I'm sure you experienced the whole thing during the pandemic and would like to know kind of your insights your experience and then the process of you had a natural birth and some kind of your your experiences there so I want to know what's happened during this time and what your, your insights and things because I think that not only that's part of you but it's also shapes your views on the world as well. It's, it was definitely an interesting journey. So we were in the beginning of my pregnancy we were actually in Croatia in Zangram, and it was when the earthquake hit so we, we, yeah we experienced an earthquake as well which was quite intense. And we were together with Maya and Magnus and Grace was there as well. So that was interesting we ended up helping to live for about one month probably more with no heating so we had no gas, no warm water. So it was fun. It was an interesting experience we kind of had to go back to our roots and we were heating up water on the stove to be able to shower. Yeah it was interesting to see and to experience because you really look back and say people did this not too long ago right people had to heat up their own water we didn't have access to instant hot water that we are trying to use to and consider normal nowadays. So it was a nice awakening moment to experience that and I had a great great support so Maya Magnus we were singing the day the earthquake happened lifting uplifting our moods. So that was really nice the people around you really do make a difference. Yeah, then I spend most of my pregnancy in Croatia, which was nice because the initial lockdown there was interesting to as in X. So that was one of the plus pluses of being there so we could go for a walk in the park. And that was really, really therapeutic and super important during a time of pandemic so it really does boost your immune system to be out in nature and be able to breathe some fresh air and exercise. We then moved to, yeah we had an interim period in Berlin and shortly after it came to Malta and this is where I gave birth and yeah I did give birth at home that was one of the most beautiful experiences I have had. And it was really easy going. I had great support. There's a doula here in Malta that is amazing. She really knows how to give that support to both to all the members of the family really and she made sure that the home birth happened. And it's an interesting contrast because at the same time I had friends who are giving birth and they were giving birth in hospital. And their partners couldn't join them because they tested they got a false positives for COVID so they couldn't have their partner next to them and also they had to wear a mask while they were giving birth and during labor, which is quite stressful and I don't think there's something very restrictive about having to go through a process like that so my heart really does go out to people who had to all the expecting mothers and new parents that had to go through that experience. But in contrast, I had a great, great birth here at home, right on top of us, beautiful views of trees and flowers and we had it was just amazing, nice music. Everyone was calm, everyone was happy and yeah, Mira joined us, joined us shortly after so it was a joyful birth really. Did you say that was your first natural birth or? It was my second natural birth, but it was my first home birth. With Magnus, I happened to go to a clinic which is close by and to get checked because they asked me to go in and get checked and I happened to be close to giving birth despite not having felt any pain. So I ended up staying there because I would have ended up giving birth in the car on my way back home, so I don't want to give birth in the car. The mobile baby delivery service now that wouldn't probably be the best. Well, that's fabulous. Yeah, you posted a few pictures and looked like a very calm, nice setting and beautiful and everybody was really excited and congratulations, wonderful time, great experience and I'm glad that Mira is next to you and healthy and beautiful, the pictures I've seen. So, that kind of gives us the question that I asked most of my guests right off the bat is how have you weathered the pandemic. Were there any other things, maybe that were enlightening for you or or that you experienced because you've been you've been thinking about not only where you at the multi innovation summit, but in the type of company act that you co founded and in the way of your thinking with a little bit of that gives you resilience of things of how you can be self sustaining how can you operate and close system. So during this time of not not just the pandemic but a black lives matter and equality and and crazy nationalism and all sorts of other things. One you weren't in your, your, your home you were in and kind of stuck in in Croatia and had some experiences and are there any other kind of aha or enlightenment moments or things that you would like to share with us that you, you say, you know, it, a lot of things bubbled to the surface or there was a microscope shown on, on these situations that I dealt with in my life and maybe kind of enlightenment of any kind of things that you've learned during this time. I think the pandemic really did test a lot of people. So, it did test me as an individual and also it tested us as a family unit, I believe, and we actually I feel like we got closer because of it. And, but yeah, it really helped us to realize that you know what any feelings that you have any, anything that is crossing your mind it's always better to talk about it, and to express it, instead of bottling it up and then exploding at any given moment. So that was really helpful for us and we also encourage Maya to always express her emotions and her feelings. It's very healthy. Magnus also, and he, he understands, even though he's only two years old, he does understand, and he understands his, his emotions are welcome no matter how, how, you know, sometimes he has a tantrum, of course, and it's welcome and he's very happy to look at us and tell us, you know what I'm sad now, or I'm very happy or he does express his feelings and he does express his emotions. And that helps us to get to our life together in a much more holistic way. And the kids seem to be happy and they reset really fast after that. That's beautiful. That's nice to hear. And so then, after you, you, you actually left Croatia one a little bit to Berlin, and then you're back in Malta now is where we're speaking to you from Malta and I've spoken to Andreas on the show as well and I keep in touch with you guys. It seems like you guys are doing good and things are not back to normal, but you guys are really moving forward with, you know, your philosophies and principles on better way of life, a better way of living better way of interacting with governance on our world. And so that really leads me to some of my work questions and that is, do you feel like you're a global citizen, and how would you feel about a world without nations borders divisions of humanity and how you, you plan or do you currently try to integrate that in and just your learnings for the children and for those around you and the family. So we are, let me talk about myself so I really do believe in this whole 360 holistic vision, which is circularity so if you understand the concept of the closed loop you understand that we're all part of this huge ecosystem. There isn't one without the other so inclusivity is extremely extremely crucial for how we operate, and that includes every, every people's and every nation. So, yeah, we, we are very inclusive. We bring up the kids and in that way so they go out, they, for example, we're in Croatia and we transfer to Berlin. For them it's normal. They're not going to say our people look a bit different here or people operate a bit different. For them it's more of a learning experience and they adapt to the situation depending on what's necessary or how they feel comfortable. And then we come to Malta and people yes do look different because it's a multicultural country. You have people ranging from all sorts of shades really so and they're very open to everyone they smile at everyone and I think it's more of an energetic connection so if they feel good about a person they're going to smile they're going to interact they're going to have fun. If they don't feel too good about a person then yeah they will move on to the next and continue doing what it is that they want to do. And I respect that it's I respect their feelings and I respect how they interact but I'm not going to impose any views that are biased onto the kids. So I allow them to feel what who it is they want to interact with in any given moment and they do and the, you know, color or nation doesn't really apply to them. That's beautiful view does gentle parenting you've mentioned that a couple times now does that integrate into this view and to this view of parenting that you know it's kind of a different view of the world or or what parts of those do you mean by gentle parenting can you explain that to us a little bit more. Sure. So gentle parenting is more about accepting the child for who it is that that child is without trying to change them and allowing their them to show their emotions, the child to feel comfortable. We do this with each other as adults right so I respect your views. And then we look at a child and we say I know you, you're not supposed to express your views because we still a child, and that is not what gentle parenting is gentle parenting is more along the lines I respect you as a human as a being. And I will give you the space and find the space for you to grow and to allow yourself to express yourself. That's wonderful. That's great. Now, did you come to this through a journey or were you raised with gentle parenting from your, your folks or how, how did that come about is that something that you just naturally gravitated towards or was it a journey to get there. So my upbringing was very different to how I parent. But I think it's true the experiences that you go to, where you realize okay. This is what I want to continue this is what I want to promote and this is not what I want to promote for the next generation. I'm grateful for my upbringing. But a lot of what went into my upbringing is not how I bring up my, my children. Yeah, it was definitely a journey and it was a journey of empowerment as well and I went through a phase where I had to reset my health because I didn't want to continue taking medication, without having to without having any positive side effects so I suffered from chronic asthma my entire life, my entire childhood and teenage years and yeah, for me to reset my health took a lot of courage to say you know what this is, this is where my lifestyle now changes, and it went against a lot of what my peers and the people who are surrounding me and that's pointed in my life. It went against what they believed in and what they lived. So, yeah, it was not easy, but it was something that I really wanted and something I really believed in. And then it also spilled over into my interest in sustainability where I realized okay, I was being a hypocrite in the past saying that I was an eco warrior so to speak someone who believed in sustainability promoting sustainability and then I realized, oh but I was contributing towards animal agriculture which is one of the largest polluting industries. And that's currently known. So, yeah, it was definitely a journey and I really do believe in looking at it from a holistic perspective, and it all really does spill over and so my health, how I raised my children, my upbringing, circularity. Yeah, it's it's all really a 360 perspective that you have to look at. Beautiful. I'm glad to hear that you weren't struck by lightning that you didn't see God and he admonished you to become this way and that that you're not a climate refugee or see you know something like that. At the time I get to ask that question quite a bit and a lot of people think that there's someone aha moment or traumatic experience where just on a turn of a dime or just one instant that the set you out on this path and I, I like when the realities of things come out and I hear this and a lot of stories is that it's usually a journey it's a change and habits it's a process over time where slowly the lights get brighter and brighter and you get to see and feel that it's something that happens over over time and repetition and maybe in some days you you have bad days and you're like, oh, I just, I can't deal with it I can't do it but the more the more days that you have positive days and move forward and the light gets brighter, harder to go back but also your path forward as much more optimistic you're happier you're healthier there's so many benefits out of it that it's a, I guess that's the, that's the point where the light does get turned up, you know, so it's nice to hear that that was a journey over time and that had those nice experiences. Yeah, it's more like a dimmer than a lightning flash. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, a lot of people, you know, I fell off a cliff I was struck by lightning or I saw God or had this vision you know there's all you know these dramatic. Those are maybe motivational or where you say, oh my goodness that's such a grand experience, but they don't tend to be very long lasting it's that change of habits and that gradual enlightenment that moments of awe where the light gets brighter and the dimmer goes up that really are sustainable and long firm, because you integrate them into your lifestyle and it becomes a form of a lifestyle of where you live the way you think those who you interact with and so it's not so nice and beautiful to hear that. I don't know if you want to go into a little bit more before we kind of move into the next phase of the conversation if you want to talk maybe touch about a little bit more about your, your upbringing or your health that gave you ideas to say no I'd like to do it different or do you think you've touched upon those enough are there any, any other moments that that you think are important for us to know that maybe others are experiencing or going through that also get them to the same point to say oh, I've got to look at it different I've got to do it a little different. I was lucky enough going up to be exposed to different cultures. So my mom is Maltese and my father is Danish. So I was exposed to the, even though I grew up in Malta I was exposed to the Scandinavian mindset of being sustainable being self sufficient. There was an island close to there still is an island close to where my grandparents live, which is where I spent quite a lot of time, and which is fully self sustainable they even export some of the electricity that they and energy that they generate. It was always really fascinating for me to see that and I always spoke about it so that was, it was always there somewhere in the background humming and buzzing in my head. But it was really when I reset my head that it came to the forefront and I discovered circularity and close to donut economy and anything that has to do with a with a system that is reliant on itself. And there isn't where you realize that there isn't one without the other. And it's all connected there's this really complicated web of interconnectedness that sometimes we don't see because it's so complicated and people use really complicated terminology to describe it. And you say, ah, this is too complicated for me. I don't want to think about it. I just want to go to the supermarket buy what's off the shelf and not have to think about it. So the reality is, I guess we have to find a way to make it easy for everyone else to say, you know what, I don't want to think about it but I know that if I listen to someone talking about it and I can identify with the values of this person or this person and they're telling me like this is the way forward. When you listen to other people, other people's experience, then you really can say, okay, maybe I can give it a try now. Because it's one thing, say, living it, but it's another thing to actually follow through and continue on with that system that you want to promote, which is essentially sustainability and circularity. You also consider yourself, just even in this last year, a little bit of a nomad that you can pretty much you have the skills and and self ability to self sustain that you can pretty much live anywhere with the kids and family. Yeah, this is how we've been living for the last three years, definitely. So we traveled with the kids around the world, or currently mostly mainly in Europe, and they adapt really easily and we're lucky to have great Internet in most places that you can really do anything from anywhere. Technology has really, really helped out with that. Yeah, so I guess you could call me a nomad, digital nomad. Did it not used to be that way in Malta and Croatia. The internet wasn't always that good, but when it first came out is I mean because I've heard Andreas mentioned that before and just as kind of more of an infrastructure thing. Yeah, it is an infrastructure issue. I know for a fact that through my experience, walking through the streets of Zagreb in Croatia, I could use my phone as though I had the best internet connection was walking through the street. It was really refreshing and then, yeah, I came back to Malta and then you see the difference you really do start to understand okay, something's missing something can be better. And that's where you gain perspective and you say okay how can we apply something that's really working in one place and apply it to another place to actually facilitate growth and prosperity and a better quality of life. This includes internet connection and cellular connection. Yeah, I agree. You know there's, we, or at least I talk about a lot in the UN and other tutors and thought leaders really talk about this, the rising billions those who are going to be coming online around the world. Mainly in Africa but also in India and other places in the world where they're going to be getting smartphones and that the internet's going to go from 3G to LT to, you know, or 5G you know it's just going to keep growing and getting better and you know we're talking about Starlink broadband from Elon Musk where you know there won't be one global SIM and one global internet connection and you know no borders and nations of calling plans and things it's you know one global type of telephone number no matter who you reach out to on the internet or phone that's all connected but that rising billions. There's also kind of an infrastructural thing because there's something that changes or occurs in humanity when that when that happens when that shifts. But when you guys bring that up I like to, you know, it's, it's not just Africa it's not just a really impoverished or horrible places there's places in Germany there's places in and in Portugal and Spain and other places where the activity could be a lot better where it's where the infrastructure could be a lot better the sanitation and infrastructure can be a lot better and as those infrastructures get raised or boost it up. It changes the civilization. That leads me to my question is kind of you over the past since we last saw each other at the Malta innovation summit. Are you feeling more and more a civilization framework unrest or any worries about you know a collapse or issues with our world or environment or what are your feelings or sense about our current global civilization frameworks or models that we're operating on. Thanks to technology we can reach anyone anywhere in the world with one click of a button. So that's pretty, pretty impressive. And it's actually a way to connect us. And if you look at this as a way of connection and as a way of boosting each other, then you can only see prosperity and growth and a better future for the next generation and for the people of tomorrow. For example, Maya could connect to someone who's living in India and have a virtual education of what it's like to be in that culture a part of that culture, the food that they eat on a daily basis the people that they communicate the languages that they speak. And it's difficult to do that without technology. You know, India has many they speak many languages in India so and you can do it in a similar way in Australia so throughout the pandemic we found these online online tours of different places say museums around the world where they were giving virtual tours to anyone who signs in. This was not possible a few years ago. And this is a great way of, for example, learning about art without having to be physically there. Well, yeah, I, during this pandemic we created with Ted education and the United Nations we created the earth school which was a 30 30 day challenge type of a deal mix between half online learning and half outside learning so we take a combination where they would learn things online through earth school and then go outside in their neighborhood where they're at or in their kitchen and try to create or apply those learnings directly and I called them quest 30 day quest so I really believe there is a big gift and as those infrastructures and those technologies get up to speed with our exponentially growing world and especially if those tech technologies that emerging technologies are circular and ones that run on renewable energy and that are good for human health and our planet ones that are not creating just as much you know fossil fuels or energy waste or or waste period in the process of those emerging technologies that our world really will will begin to just to evolve and start looking much different. I feel like this for me personally that our current civilization framework and a lot of areas or pockets around the world are beginning not to work for us anyway anymore like you know let's take the Trump apocalypse or the bull scenarios or the Putin's or the Nazis or the Dewartes or the aired ones or the Brexit that people are becoming more civilly unrested and unhappy with the current models of the frameworks now we need to keep them spinning and afloat and working but we also need to transition to maybe something better and and the whole main process of a circular economy or donut economy or donut models is one of a different civilization framework. I speak a lot about sustainable development goals and most people don't know it's not an add on to business as usual or just an add on to a new governance system it's a completely new civilization framework and kind of on a short term just to get us to 2030 to give us a different infrastructure on a global scale and so that's why I mentioned this you know this this civilization framework thoughts or ideas from what you said in the past I'm getting the strong feeling that for you as a circular economy is that new civilization framework that really for us all is something that will work for us all is in my understanding that correct or do you think it'll be a hybrid out of a couple different ones or what are your thoughts on that. It will work for us all are very physiology is based on circularity and the concepts of circularity. So, you were talking about what your project together with Ted education right and that that project really empowers individuals to the extent where I can go to other I can easily connect with other individuals who are experts in the field and that way I can transfer knowledge really fast and at the most at the most optimal in the most optimal way. So it doesn't go to say this expert here has to teach a whole bunch of students who will then teach other students a lot of the knowledge is lost. Through that model which is the current education system but instead I can connect directly with the expert and really expand and progress to something so much greater than what used to happen and and this is thanks to technology and programs and education models like what you did with your 30 day quest. Yeah, I appreciate that. Yeah, I agree with that. And I think that those are ones that empower human beings and this one was specifically for grade school kids clear up to high school to give them something during the pandemic where a lot of kids were not going to school a lot of schools were closed or they switched to some form of an online model and we were filling and hearing a lot of feedback from parents. That one they didn't have enough technology or internet connection at home to be able to if they had more than one child to to to give them each a separate computer and and to have them do their homework or that they weren't prepared to help them with their homework they didn't know what to do they weren't they didn't feel like they were a teacher educator and I believe and that that's why I like your gentle parenting and your your way of living because I believe that you are not relying upon anybody else to provide you the solutions or deliver the future for you that you're actually trying to take a part in life and in these complex systems and see yourself as an integrated part of how we can better that or how we can better our education or our living systems or parenting or birth or empowerment and so you know I know you still have some young ones that are really not in and totally in the educational system yet but I believe you are already have some ideas of how that's going to go in the future and and that would you want to tell us about any of that at all right now we are exploring exploring different models and ways of doing things and when it comes to Magnus was to he learns by doing he plays and this is how he learns and he can he's when he was one and a half he could say his number is you could say all the alphabet and this is only because he played because he spent time with his sister because they have conversations together and learn they're not separated because there's an age difference and this is one of the way like one of the ways of learning is not to separate but to actually integrate and it doesn't matter what age you are if you're interested in the same subject that's what matters sharing that knowledge and and when you're sharing knowledge you forget about borders, you know, it's not to start saying there's a border just a line, and this is where it ends. It doesn't happen that way. That's that's great. Yeah, that's nice. So I'm going to get I'm going to get to my absolute hardest question for you today. And that is the burning question WTF also gave it to Andreas it's not the swear word. It's what's the future. And I want to know for Malta Croatia or governments I want to know for you. What's the future what's your vision if you were to say this is how it's going to be or you had an optimistic view or a real a prediction. What's the future. Children really are the future and so I really do believe in empowering the younger generation because they are the ones who are going to make a difference. I might I might already be too late to make a big impact but the impact they will make that's crucial, especially at this stage that we are right now, where we have. If you look at the statistics of how the climate is changing the children are the future, and they are the crucial crucial turning point, which in all of this. Yeah. That's great. Do you, you believe that there are some basic principles or philosophies out there that we need to give our children so there are the future, but what we're hearing I mean even with us or school and what we're seeing around the world is that the quality of education around the world is not the same. And that even though they are the future how do we create an infrastructure for them because I'm not sure we can that we can just say okay you guys got not only you are our future but you've got to create that infrastructure as well. Is there things or philosophies that you think we could help them along the way to better that future. How do we empower them, have them ask questions, have them really explore and express their opinions, and not tell them what to think or how to think, but have conversations together with children, because really and truly, I learned so much through my conversations with Maya and even my conversations with Magnus was only two. And sometimes I catch myself and I say, Wow, okay I just learned that I have to reel it in and say, Okay, thank you for for having me explore and experience this side and experience this perspective as the model I was currently expressing. So I really do learn from children and I express that I am learning from them as much as they are learning from me. And disempowerment will will create a new normal will create new systems and new models and they're already being created we just don't see them right now. What we do with education, the way we raise them through gentle parenting, the way that they eat healthily and focus we focus on plant based living. All of this, this is creating a system, but we might not identify it as a closed box so we don't identify it within these borders but it is a system, and it's a system that for them is normal for the kids it's normal to eat fruits and vegetables every day, actually enjoy eating them. They aren't exposed. So we ask, we always ask questions you say, for example, when it comes to Maya, we say, we do ask her like, Can you please think about what this this thing, or this item this object this toy. This is how it's made understand where it comes from the materials that are used, who has to source those materials. So basically the entire, the entire life line of this product is taught about before we start. Think about all of that before we actually start using it because this is how you empower kids, you have to ask them questions and they have to think about it themselves. And that is empowering. So we don't just use items we think about where it comes from, how it's made the people the processes, because that's the entire system it's all interconnected. It's a circular closed loop. So most, I think most children nowadays don't really think about all of that, but it's very empowering to understand where the items that you use on a daily basis come from, and the people who are involved in in creating them. Yeah, I've talked to you online and watched some of your videos and, and over the years and so you do videos on zero waste living or zero waste tools you do videos on healthy foods and healthy type of living what's what some tools or tricks or tips are on to make it easier or created into a system that's kind of almost automatic or one that, you know, eases your life you do videos about breastfeeding and how to how do you transition your your infant or your child on natural weaning methods and things like that. So are there certain things that you've done in the past that are empowering children in general or empowering girls, women and girls and kind of giving that or what are your feelings about empowerment of women and girls. And that's with respecting the individual and respecting the individual's wishes. So if Maya wants to learn about buildings. I think there's a video online where she says she wants to learn about buildings and princesses. She wants to learn about buildings and we respect her wish to learn about buildings, and also princesses because that's what her wish is, but it has nothing. It has nothing to do with gender because as an individual we're respecting her wishes. So that's very important to listen to the child and to listen and understand that that's an individual who has in their own interests and we don't have to force them to do something that they're not interested in because only by doing the things that they are interested in, will they reach their full potential, will they contribute most to society, will they maybe create the next big thing you know. One thing we didn't touch upon is that, and I don't know you didn't mention but you have a little bit of a ballerina background is not correct. Yeah, that is correct. Yes. Did it get to a real professional level or did you do more national or local community type of shows and things around. I have a lot of shows in Walter. I also did dance outside of Walter. So I won a few scholarships back in the day to go visit some different countries and dance with other artists. That was really, that was also one of like being exposed to those different countries was really eye opening and did broaden my perspective when it comes to everything that I'm doing today. But yeah, I wouldn't say I was a professional, maybe semi professional. I got injured, which had to do also with my health. And then when I reset my health, I recovered really quickly. And then I wasn't a part of Wow, this is, I just discovered this whole concept of circularity and I really love this and I want to continue on this path. So my, my dancing days are still here. I just don't don't don't do it professionally or semi professionally anymore. Can you transition to some yoga practices or some breathing practices that are kind of in your daily routine at all. I breathe every day. So I make sure to breathe every day. It's really important to breathe and to know how to breathe. So that is really crucial. Yeah, when it comes to yoga. I mean, the physical the physical aspect of yoga. Just I mean, is there anything that you've, you've, you've been practicing there is kind of, you know, a different way to keep yourself stretched and limber and, and healthy or is that is there any other practices I know you do the breathing with Andreas I also do the breathing practice the Wim Hof and a couple other other things. I started incorporating that and the cold showers. Those are are are really refreshing I had one today and it really does. You can say you can say wake you up right, but it's it's definitely nice the women. I do enjoy the Wim Hof method. During our pandemic lockdown in Croatia when we had no hot water. I wasn't too keen on it but I'm starting to integrate it once again into my daily routine after giving parts to Mira and it's it's actually I think it's been really crucial in my recovery. And I feel like I'm almost fully recovered now. And then yeah I do, I do make sure that my body is supple. So I do stretch I do go for for walks, we are lucky and blessed to be surrounded by nature here in Malta so I do enjoy that quite a lot. I'm always out and about amongst trees so something very therapeutic. The moment. I don't know if you've experienced this but when you're in the city and the moment you enter a park, and there are trees. The energy shifts, you feel better instantly just because you're around trees. And I think it has to do with ionization right. Typically proven that it does boost your mood, which is, which in turn also boost your immune system and you'll stay healthier for longer in that way. Yeah, changes a lot of things just by having daily interactions with nature, whether it's a city park or whether it's you know a nature walk outside of the city and different areas there's a lot of wonderful benefits for health on that as well. So I'm glad to hear that you're doing the breeding a little bit of the wind hole. It's no matter how many times you take that cold shower or the cold bath. It's like the first time it's always a reset it's not like okay it's getting easier it's, it doesn't get any easier but the benefits of vitality and energy and so many many things combined with the breathing are just enormous they're they're really wonderful and fun. To give you good optimism, I want to, before we kind of wrap wrap up I want to find out a little bit more about act and tell me why you co founded it what what the thought was behind it and how has it been so far what what what was the purpose it's mainly specific on Malta and what other region there. Mainly Malta so act is really about regenerating Malta from a multifaceted perspective, including the ecosystem here, which is nutrition deficient. So, so yeah the soil is highly nutrient deficient and the whole concept was to really reset all of that and to share the knowledge that we had learned throughout the years including healthy living and focusing on plant based lifestyle. So that was an interesting how did we start how did we co found act. I was living in London at the time and working with a company and focusing also on the on a project related to the World Economic Forum in Davos. I realized how I was working all the time and you know, it wasn't how I wanted to live the rest of my life. And I decided to come back to Malta together with Claude who was at the time working together with a government entity here in Malta, and he also wasn't fully happy with the nine to five aspect of life. Yeah, we co founded act together with some other individuals who are inspirational and inspired. And we had a good time doing it and we really do apply our, our values to the whole concept of what act is all about. So all the projects that we do really encompass all our, our values, and that's openness transparency, sustainability, circularity, and knowledge sharing that's really important and sharing knowledge. And that's beautiful. And what's been one of the most beautiful projects you've done or something that you I mean, what, when you were at the Malta and innovation summit was there something you guys are specifically doing at that time or is there any, any other good stories you can tell us about act or experiences. When we met at the innovation summit that was at the infancy of we had just started act. And since then we have been, we have created a project called Sanjar, which is a one million tree plantation project. It's not only a one million tree plantation so we didn't only focus on planting trees, we focused on regenerating the natural habitat of Malta. And so we really understood the entire ecosystem so we applied the concept of circularity to how we were going to plant the trees. And that has been one of the most beautiful products that I've had a pleasure of being a part of. And that has been, I learned a lot, and it's nice to see how excited people get when you talk about when you connect the dots and say you know what it's not only about planting trees it's about understanding the ecosystem in that particular area to make sure that a tree can survive itself for the next 200, 2000 years. So, and that, that is a beautiful concept we see, we see a lot of organizations plant trees as part of their CSR mission, and they die after two years or they don't even grow to the full potential the tree doesn't grow to its full potential it remains short and then eventually dies and then the soil around it is completely deficient of nutrients, because it was planted in the wrong type of soil and the ecosystem that's surrounding it. So, yeah, you present a holistic view, and people get excited about it because it makes sense. Beautiful. So, to finish up I have three more questions and they're very selfish they're for my listeners I want you to depart your wisdom and if there was one message you could depart our listeners that was a sustainable take away that has the power to change their life. What would it be basically your message. I think in simple terms, and use what you already have, instead of going out to buy new things. So, even though it's not sustainable, throwing that item away and buying something new which is sustainable in itself that whole concept is not really sustainable so use up what you currently have. And don't be afraid to make mistakes we all do. Young innovators young mothers and in your field be thinking about if they are looking for ways to make real impact on their world. If you're applying. Okay, when you apply things to your life and you shared knowledge and you shared shortcomings and you shared positive impact as it had on your life. That's, that's place you can really make an impact because people can relate to that. So if you make it relatable, then you can make a real impact. I'm not saying that you're super old because you're not. But what have you experienced or learned and this journey or in your life so far that you would have loved to know from the start or something that you would have said boy had I only known this I would have started much sooner. Oh, but if I knew about all that then I would have my journey right. So I'm actually very happy that I went through my journey. There's, there isn't really anything that I wish I had known sooner, because if I probably knew that things sooner than it wouldn't have had the impact on the long lasting impact that's the most important the long lasting impact that it has had on me. So, I'm very happy with how my journey turned out. That's great that's a perfect answer so you got it right. Yeah, I was keeping score no there's no right or wrong answer but that is, that is so wise of you beyond your years of wisdom that's a perfect advice, because it's really about. It's not about the short term profits, it's not about the short term rewards is really an infinite game it's much more long term it's about the journey. And there's no skipping steps, which is, is kind of a conundrum in our world because our world is growing exponentially around us good bad and ugly. And as we say, how can we keep up with our exponentially growing world we cannot skip steps on that journey because some of that process is very vital and gives us important learnings that we need to apply. So, the chance that we have as human beings is really not that we skip the steps or speed up the time in that journey. It's more that we get the critical mass the collective where we unify ourselves as humanity and communities and use that collective power of those communities of those families of those like minds that we can hit a critical mass which will take us on that exponential journey to have some some really fabulous impacts on our world and and pretty expedient amount of time as well so, but it's not about skipping any, any steps of helping us to get into this almost symbiosis this symbiotic earth this connection with our wonderful planet. It's really about the impact that we make, because we're not everlasting, but the impact that we make that that lives on. That's absolutely search for your unless there's something else you didn't get to say that you would like to say you can say that now or if you have any questions for me. That would be. This will be your chance otherwise I'm going to thank you so much and say goodbye you can show us. I would love to because she's been amazing she's sleeping right now he was been beautiful. Works. Oh, she is beautiful what a beautiful baby. Yeah, so she's peacefully sleeping she woke up a few times but she woke up very cheerfully I heard the nice the nice goose and it was beautiful I love it. Yeah, so it was nice thank you for having the boat of us. You're most welcome so so glad it worked out and like I, like I mentioned to you I just became a fourth time grandpa October 14 my son's wife had had their first baby. So Ryan, so I, I love children and babies and good guarantee methods and the long term view and so I'm really excited and happy for you guys and I'm glad that we had a chance to catch up and and let our listeners kind of know. Your wonderful perspective and a different view on the world and I'm going to include some links in the description so if they want to reach out or follow you or get in touch with you or elaborate that I'm sure you're very willing and open to do that as well. Absolutely. Thank you very much for having us. Once again, and congratulations on being a four time grandpa. Thank you very much. So good to see you you take care. Thank you.