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Here we go Daily Tech news show is powered by its audience not outside organizations to find out more head to Daily Tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Wednesday July 27th 2016 I'm Tom Merritt joining me today as he does most Wednesdays mr. Scott Johnson podcaster at the frog pants studios and Cartoonist we always forget that part. Yeah Well, I mean I I do both and they're both, you know, keep me nice and busy and stuff and today's funny You should mention that today one of my great How do I look to say this I looked up to him maybe more than any other cartoonist as a lad Jack Davis died today. Oh So just a little at the top of the show sadness about one of the honestly one of the most influential Cartoonist of all time and if you read Mad Magazine at all as a kid or even as a young adult or whenever you may have Read it. You probably ran into his work and you were better for it. So It was not my plan to put an obituary before announcing our next guest Sorry, so I'll give a little space that no no Jack Davis was amazing and and it is sad to see him go But we are cheered up because Megan Maroney host of Tech news today in iOS today is joining us as well Hi, Megan. Hello Tom Scott. Thank you for that lead in that was quite I'm so happy to I'm so happy to be here though. Thank you so much for having me By the way, because Tom said something about a cartoonist. I just went there. Yeah, no, it was perfectly natural. We understand I'm sure Megan understands, right? I do and I'm a huge fan of Mad Magazine I still buy it at the airport for my kids and for me. It's no kidding They sell it at the airport. I never noticed that. Yes, and I usually see it in the grocery store in places like that Perfect to be free at the airport To entertain your kids without we are going to talk about entertaining kids with batteries Letting them play with batteries that might be dangerous But but with technology and and how how do you as somebody who enjoys technology? Which we assume you do or you wouldn't be really watching or listening to the show Deal with the challenges that that provides to parenting Megan and Scott have got some great ideas We've got some great questions from the audience, but let's start off with top stories Google launched family library this morning allowing up to six people to share purchases from Google Play across devices That includes music movies TV shows books apps and games over the next few days The service will become available in Australia Brazil Canada France Germany Ireland Italy Japan Mexico New Zealand the UK and the US One person becomes the family manager So they put in a credit card that credit card pays for everything So you have to use a credit card that you're okay with everybody else spending on And then you manage the other members all items are shared by default But you can turn on selective sharing or you can't even choose a Individual things even as a submember and say I don't want to share that with the rest of the audience You get parental controls. They are respected across all the accounts So you can say oh, that's my son in there So don't let them get the R-rated movies or whatever credit card is shared as I've mentioned But individual members can buy items with their own payment methods as well. I Think I should do this. Are you either of you enough in the Google universe to do that? Not so much in the Google universe, but because a similar Thing is happening with iOS. I've always used this as a as a way to sort of Not keep track of what the kids are downloading But it's a great way to just sort of know what's up You kind of know what's happening in the ecosystem because you're a part of it So if I see that there's an app downloaded and I know it wasn't me who got it Well, then maybe I wonder who got it or if I download an app and and one of the kids sees I got a game that looks like fun They might grab it or whatever like it's it's this nice thing that not only saves everybody money because we're not all Forced to get our own you know our own purchases of some of the same things But I don't know just let me have a little a lens on what's happening Megan. What's your your experience with that sort of thing? I also use iCloud family sharing I yeah, we have one Android tablet and the rest is iPads and iPhones So iCloud family sharing works great for us Yeah, not having to buy movies more than once and knowing what the kids are downloaded Downloading that's great in the beginning. It's a little wonky like sometimes we'd end up with each other's text messages Which could be tricky at times Yes, it was actually but but now it's pretty good I mean, we all have our separate accounts and you know, we can see what what they buy and what they're watching Yeah, we'll like it. So I'm glad that Android users have this as well Well, and this will work across Google Play Even on things like Roku or on smart TVs or you know places where Google has its account available even off of Android At least that's my understanding for it So I could see somebody with a Roku deciding to do this because hey, you know, a couple of my kids have an Android phone I have an iPhone but I can I can watch Google play movies on there So maybe we'll live in that universe because of that. I don't know Yeah, my my Nvidia shield for example be a nice sort of hub for a lot of this stuff And I'll be able to see when something's been downloaded somewhere else or at the very least I will know that I've got something that I pulled down on the shield and now somebody else can get it And it's more portable format I don't know for for a for a house full of teenagers This is this works really well for me and I'm really glad to see Google doing it It seems like they took a long time to do this And I don't know why that would be exactly seems like something that could have been easy and done some time ago But a better late than never let's do it Yeah, I agree. I think I think I'm going to try to convince my wife to Merge our accounts on this. We'll see how that goes. There you go Microsoft has a free photo app for iOS called pics I know Megan's been used that in the app store right now The app continuously takes pictures and uses an algorithm to select the best one from among 10 images Taking taken before and after the camera button is pressed So it's looking for the most sharp the best one best contrast all of that It also does live images that mix still and live imagery to create short video clips Y'all before the show witness Tom's hair in a very strange way It also reduces noise adjust contrast and white balance recodes. Ina freed Notes the app is one of several recent efforts to go directly from Microsoft research to the open market and outside of their boring logo I think it's kind of cool. I've only had a few minutes to mess with it, but it seems nice I mean how many times we you know, we hope the stabilization works We hope the shot that we're taking in the moving car is going to work out We hope we hope we hope but how many times that we ended up with something blurry at a moment We really wish it wasn't this seems like a nice way to maybe help ensure that you're getting the best possible shot What do you think Megan you like this thing you've been messing with I have been messing with it. I like it and I've used external camera apps before but you know in emergency situations You want to just use the shortcut, you know, sometimes you don't even want to unlock your phone And that's the that's the thing with all these Microsoft apps They're not they're not gonna you're not gonna be able to replace the camera app in your iPhone with this So I wonder if it will if people will use it so much because of that But I don't know I mean how many emergency pictures do you guys take? Well, that was what I was thinking it isn't even just the emergency pictures But but the idea of oh, right. I'm gonna use that Microsoft pics I mean, I guess I could put it in my dock down at the bottom and just make it my camera app And then that would be available in every instance except that lock screen But that that I don't see myself doing that it was fun to mess around with the pictures look interesting Some look better than the default camera some don't Because because of the way the algorithm works I don't think it's perfect like you like Scott said Megan took a picture of me and just part of my hair was moving But not all of it. So it's it's not perfect I also I tried to make take a hyperlapse video of my dog Django and it just wouldn't upload to Facebook I kept failing and I don't know if that was a connectivity error or a Facebook error or what but It it was not enough to convince me like I will go out of my way to use this Instead of the default camera Yeah, and I would the only thing I would add to the tail end of that is that I wish Apple Would make it possible and I don't see any reason why they couldn't do this in future But make it possible for that lock screen photo flip to be some other default photo app Just be able to tell it. Hey, I want this to be something else like I use something called warm light I like a lot. I really like the filters in it They're really strong app and I would like to assign that there or assign pics there or whatever App is showing real strength in the market I would like the best app to come up when I'm in traffic Sitting still and I see somebody's got a funny license plate and I better hurry and catch it before a passing You know it goes away and that lock screen thing is really important to me So if there's anything I hope that comes out of these apps coming out from big players like Microsoft Google and whoever that maybe Apple back down a little bit on Whether or not you can change your default camera app in the lock screen. That would be awesome I don't think I'll ever do that don't probably not We used to hear that about browsers we used to hear that about default apps not being able to go away like I Take some forever, but I'm not even when they let you change your default keyboard It always like reverts or there's some instance where the default keyboard doesn't work and it goes back to the iOS Keyboard like they just don't like to live that way. They don't they for they go down kicking and screaming But eventually they do like I can't remember the last time I use the default mail app I know Tom you still do but I use all sorts of other defaults and and apps are sending them to other apps Because they support those as defaults and you're just you start to see them loosen that grip over time But you're not wrong that it takes them forever and this one seems unlikely perhaps I Guess if you don't have an iPhone 6s So you don't have live photos the live images and if that's something I mean We're talking about a small subset here But but people who really want that and don't have it can get a similar thing to that with pics It's a good. I don't mean to to rain on the app. It's a good app It's just always hard to unseat someone's default camera app as Microsoft knows I mean Explorer is the only word you need to know and helps Xiaomi unexpectedly announced a laptop. They were announcing a redmi phone, but then they announced the mean notebook air The 13.3 inch version has an Intel's core i5 skylake processor with an NVIDIA 940 Mx GPU It's four thousand nine hundred ninety-nine you on about seven hundred fifty dollars US the 12.5 inch has an Intel core m3 and sells for three thousand four hundred ninety-nine you on for about five hundred twenty dollars That thirteen point three inch model is fourteen point eight millimeters thick and one point two eight kilograms in weight So they point out hey This is technically thinner and lighter than a MacBook Air even if it doesn't have the wedge design Both sizes of the new mean notebook airs feature a 1080p display backlit keyboard and USB-C charging It will launch in China on August 2nd. So as the market for laptops I'll be charitable and say stabilizes in China Xiaomi gets into the game with a Windows laptop and calling it the air. So there you have So it's seven hundred and fifty dollars is that how much it costs that's at the top the top end one Yes, the top you stop to your MacBook Air is about a thousand dollars. Sure. Yeah, and that's yami's thing, right? Yeah, and I like that There's the back plate that you can adjust and it said that they're going to sell like stickers for it So, I mean you could just put a big sticker on the back of it and no one would know you didn't have a MacBook Air Yeah, or you could get an Apple sticker from another Apple product Good point that's not on the back. Boom You're done. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see if this makes its way outside of China Xiaomi's Non phones do tend to go outside, but this is this is more than just an accessory. It's more than headphones or something like that Yeah, and there's nothing here that strikes me as cheap like this all sounds like good specs sounds like The price is right for what you're getting. It's media. It's mid-range. I guess I mean I five Skylake for 750 bucks Is not a bad price. Yeah, no and having that, you know, it's a portable You're not trying to you know solve the world's problems whether you're trying to get your work done And I think that's pretty good. I think calling it the air is weird and I'll stick to that till my time Yeah, go ahead. Is it a gaming machine like I doubt it not not enough I mean that nine that NVIDIA 940 MX GPU is Gonna do okay with some two-dimensional stuff and the occasional really old thing But nothing that you'd want to buy on steam today is gonna run on this very well Nintendo posted an operating loss of 5.1 billion yen. That's 49 million dollars You know really the yen they need some think I told you this before Tom the ends too small I gotta have some sub-yens. Anyway, this is down from a profit of 1.5 billion yen last year and worse than the estimate of 4 billion yen Nintendo also announced its Pokemon go plus wrist accessory will be delayed until September due to software adjustments Nintendo has forecast operate operating profit to climb 37% to 45 billion yen in the year ending in March This is all on the tail end of you know Everybody's seeing Nintendo's praises for a couple of weeks because they all thought Nintendo go or Nintendo go they all thought Pokemon go was something Nintendo made and then some investors went wait a minute They really make it they kind of just have a weird ownership thing going on So maybe they shouldn't artificially inflate their stock and I think what needs to happen real fast is Nintendo needs to act quickly on the NX they need to get that out and make sure people know what it is and Really impressed investors with that so we know what their their future facing game plans are and then also Fully involve themselves in their mobile plans in a way that is very transparent very upfront and tell us what the heck They've got coming down the pipe because all of that will solve their problems. I am convinced. I Think you're right I think this is just a fallow period and the fact that Pokemon go came out and was so successful and Nintendo owns 32% of the Pokemon company by various estimates Met people got too excited for what would happen But this is really what you would expect what I would not have been surprised at this at all In fact, I'm still not surprised at this at all Even considering Pokemon go. It's then Nintendo and X that is going to be the next big maker break and possibly The momentum they build by coming out with more smartphone apps Yeah, and they and they can and they should and if I were them I would smell blood in the water I would see the success of go and go guys. What are we doing? Like we know we have some plans We kind of you've got a few things before this that me Tomo app did okay But really think of what we have and in the strength of our IPs and what we could do to this market If that free go app, which we didn't even make didn't have Nintendo's magic smear on it, which is you know Most gamers will tell you it's not a great game. It's not the reason. It's such a big deal They could come in and change all of that and do it quickly and deftly and it would change the market forever And I don't I know they're stubborn about this. I get it. I totally get it But I think this is the time for Nintendo to quit worrying about them being the hardware maker and Instead them being the brand that everyone loves from five year olds to eight year olds because they are and we're ready And we're ready for whatever you got next Well, don't you think they have plans for that for some of their other properties to make more like augmented reality or foe Augmented reality games like so, but don't you think they should talk about it? Like they they just haven't said anything and I know there's you know a disconnect between what the US? Nintendo leadership does versus the Japanese, but I think they should be all over this in a way that is much more PR centric They should just be talking about what they have coming. They have a What's it called animal crossing game coming out for mobile, which could potentially be Enormous for them and there's just not a lot of talk about it We don't know when it's coming and the truth is there wasn't a lot of talk about Pokemon go before it hit it was sort of just right and look what happened to that. It was a flop No, I don't know Megan. I mean, I'm kind of in the position of thinking that Nintendo I don't I feel like they're just letting this slip through and I don't and maybe it's just The world moves too quickly now and Nintendo doesn't want to be told how to move. Maybe that's it But you know, we're all what three weeks into this apps Existence and seeing the potential so maybe it's just not enough time for them to I don't know regroup or refocus or decide what to do in the wake of it But just feel like they should have said something by now. That's a little more substantive than just hey We're working on NX and we're pleased things are going well with that That's just a weird thing for me to hear them say you just want to hear more. Yeah, I want to hear more Tom Yeah, I Get what you're saying and it's perfectly reasonable I think that the way Nintendo works is when they have something to give you is when they talk about it That and that's just historically the way they've been there's a little they're a little more tight-lipped Like Apple in that respect and so when it's time for Animal Crossing to come out, that's when they'll talk about it They don't they don't beat the hype machine as far in advance as other companies for good or ill They could come out tomorrow and say Animal Crossing is coming out next March. Just letting you know Here's your date. Yeah, but baby Maybe they're not sure. I mean Blizzard does it too where they're like, we're not gonna give you a date till we're sure we can hit that day Well, you guys aren't even talking about the Pokemon go plus not coming out being delayed till September Are you upset about that the wearable? I? Think that's probably you're right the most Significant part of the earnings report because that is a surprise. We thought they're gonna have it out this month And that is some a way that they can use their involvement in this to make direct money And and and maybe it's the same thing Megan make it maybe they're like not ready We shouldn't have even indicated that it was coming out this month because we have to delay until next Yeah, I'm very curious about that thing I mean if it's just you know if it's a tracker and you got a lot of people out walking right now You got a strike without irons hot. Maybe they struck too soon, and they're just not done Apple announced revenue fell fourteen point six percent year over year to forty two point four billion And we got a little more detail about that in the earnings call yesterday Drag down by slowing phone sales declining China revenue iPhone unit sales fell fifteen percent Revenue in China dropped thirty three percent still Apple beat expectations So everyone's pretty positive about this iPad sales grew for the first time in ten quarters to four point nine billion Though that's because they charge more for the iPad Pro Because they actually sold fewer units. They just made more on each unit iPhone SE sales were good So they were very pleased to finally see that pick up in the earnings call Tim Cook noted that Apple pay now accounts for 75% Of contactless payments in the US and user numbers are up 450 percent year over year that implies that you started with a very small number to have that big of a growth He also expected service revenue to grow enough to make the business qualify as he put it for the fortune 100 if it Were an independent company so it looked like Tim Cook was trying to say Don't worry about the fact that we don't have a great product out right now we have stuff in the works even alluded augmented reality a little bit talked about Pokemon go and He said that services are going to get bigger and bigger and we see them getting into making more TV shows We see them getting behind Apple music and and touting that I mean Megan Do you think Apple can finally become a services company? I think they hope they can I mean they've certainly been pushing it You know, yeah, like you said they they have all the services that they that he said in the earnings call That he thinks could be rolled out into a fortune 100 company. I I don't know. I mean, I think earnings are so Interesting or so like a motion-based. It's like well, this is what we expected But you know it seems to me like as far as what I can tell from these earnings It's it's the investors are saying like it's not as bad as we expected. So let's buy more stock Yeah, also they didn't talk about this that I know of but it was it's widely assumed that they're making the most money from Pokemon Go right now and maybe him mentioning them working on some AR plans is enough to indicate That Apple must have been very impressed with that the thing is since we've had Motion control on these phones and that's been since what the for or for us. Maybe I can't remember. I think the four When that was when that hardware was integrated into the phone that was you could do AR then and you could do it in every subsequent year and Suddenly now AR is all the rage all these years later because finally somebody figured out the the kind of killer app for it So I'm really glad to hear that they're working on that But I don't know if that's the thing that's gonna help these numbers in the future like hey We're gonna have more cool Pokemon go style things going on. Okay. Well, great I expect a lot of copycat apps coming soon I expect years of I mean we thought the the Angry Birds ripoffs were bad and the Candy Crush ripoffs were bad Man get ready for Pokemon go likes because it's gonna get real hairy up in here Maybe they just want a piece of that but by all accounts. They're making the most money from that anywhere with their 30% cut I mean you say that we say that everybody guesses that I'm sure they're making a lot of money from it but I Know I think that's over emphasized right now that Apple makes a lot of money off all the apps in its store And that's why you didn't hear mention anything about it because even if they are technically making the most money off of it To them It's just a drop in the bucket compared to iPhone sales and iPad sales in one month. That's true It's just more than Nintendo at this point Anyway, hey look at this road to VR reports an update to the Oculus home software enable support We're tracking the rift and the touch with up to four trackers and I heard about this I just thought oh man cluster mess wired horribleness But I don't know except as some developers are saying it's not too bad That means you can add four trackers and use some steam games that require them trackers have been plugged in by USB Oh, that's how they work though USB 3.0 Cables between the trackers if you have the room you will essentially be creating Tripping hazard a tripping has one, but you're basically gonna equal roughly equal what the Vive claims to do It isn't technically room scale. That's important to note in this conversation So everyone's just assuming of those means means giant room scale That doesn't exactly mean what it means, but you can emulate a lot of that in a single-player experience more importantly There there are multiplayer opportunities here. This does not mean you can only have one computer for everyone though I think that's important to note. There may be some low Frequency low resolution low You know fidelity kind of experiences that will work in that regard But if you're looking for photorealistic multiple headsets You're in trouble because you're talking about so much rendering the best cards on the market won't be able to do it Well, you know for the for the track controllers from Oculus you will need two sensors, right? Correct. You'll need two for sure and The well the talk I heard is it would start the new shipments would ship The ones that are bundled with controllers would ship with two sensors and you can buy individual additional sensors if you want I think those who currently own an Oculus Rift have the one sensor already Can buy an additional sensor plus the controllers in a possible bundle as well And they need to make that transition as easy as possible because you've already kind of hose those people a little bit I say and here's the device and we don't have any kind of room scale or controllers yet But here you go and now you're being asked to buy a new thing It's a really, you know kind of a rough thing to ask people to do with any hardware and any consoles any sort of Consumer electronics people don't generally do that. So it's a big sale They have to get people excited about it And I think this is a great way to do it like saying that there's additional capability Additional players potentially like all of this is is good for that market for the higher-end market. I guess All right now if you watch this week in tech this week You know that Megan Maroney warned you this is earnings week and there are loads of earnings So I have one more earnings to tell you about today Facebook earned six point four four billion in revenue and 97 cents a share the reason It's worth mentioning is that past estimates of 6.02 billion and 82 cents a share. So they killed it Revenue growth was 59% year-over-year Stocks are going up though, but that always happens weird and it's hard to tell what that actually means Facebook added 60 million people this quarter to me That's the most interesting stat here. They now reach 1.71 billion monthly users is close to a Quarter of the population that's probably overestimating it, but it's ridiculous It's a lot Megan how many I mean Twitter can't get any kind of to sustain growth and here's Facebook nearly at two billion people I know well I'm thinking it because Apple just made an announcement to that they sold a billion iPhones So, you know, it's comparing the two other apples and Facebook's of course, but it's still something to think about because You know, that's individual people for Facebook, but like lots of us have bought, you know Multiple iPhones. So yeah, I think there's no stopping Facebook Yeah, it's Facebook's world. 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What are the things you're concerned with when you teach your kids about technology? well, it it changes based on what stage they're in what age they're there in and I've got so I three children and I've obviously I've been their father when they were little and when they were toddlers of that all the way through and then became teenagers and so on and I have Still a 16 year old and a 19 year old at home. I have a married 22 year old daughter and in every single case that they were coming of age or growing up through a particular part of I would say the boom of technology growth that we've seen in the last, you know this last generation, let's say and I you know so I had a daughter who was born in the midst of the internet becoming a thing at all the worldwide web was as fresh as a Well a brand-new baby if you think about it in 1994 when she was born and so she has never known a world without web pages that had graphics on them and links and searchable databases like none of this Was something that was brand new to her. She's just always known it and as she got older that changed from Dad can I play on the consoles or dad can I play in the computer to dad? I want my own cell phone when she's 12 or something and at the time it was like a crummy nine key You know pre-iPhone whatever flip phone and she became a wizard at that and then texting came into the end of the picture So without stepping through everybody's you know Everyone's stages of growth in my family. I have seen these very particular moments the advent of the internet Dad when I want to go on the internet and look for stuff dad I think I got a virus on the computer or dad I want my own cell phone or why is someone texted me something mean what does this mean and Here we are today with Facebook and a billion apps that want their attention. So I have seen it I mean quite literally from the first kid up to now a 16 year old son I have seen the entire gamut of like what the social a part of the internet was is and might become and It's always a challenge to try to think of how best Parenting or what kind of parenting should be used to navigate those rough waters because they can be a little bit rough sometimes So I'll just say this and then I would love to hear Megan's take on some of these broader points, too And we get more specific as well, but My kids are We kind of made our overall Methodology here as we make them part of the deal part of the conversation So if one of them comes to me and says dad, I want to get a Facebook page, you know some years ago I better have one before them and I better know what it is before I say yes There's a there's a need for parents to be educated about what the heck it is They're talking about and why they're asking for it I had Facebook before them snapchat before them Twitter before them these were all things I understood intrinsically before they had any interest in it and Then when it comes to things where I mean basically what you're doing is you're giving them no excuse to sort of rebel in that regard There's no where to rebel you know what as well as they do you friend them on there They friend you back we now have an arrangement where if Nick knows about some new app He wants to tell me about in fact today. He's the one that told me about this app called Marco Polo Which is like a real-time video Sort of texting app He came to me and says can I get this app? I said well, let me try it out and I tried it out said this is pretty cool Yes, you can get this out and so he's got all his friends on there He's talking to me on there like we had this conversation about the app. It wasn't Dad wondering what that weird mystery is that's on his phone and him saying ah dad doesn't know anything I got all kinds of cool stuff. He doesn't know about it's really transparent and open in our house There's never been sort of a there's no what's the word? We don't I don't look at any of this stuff and just create a taboo automatically And I think that's really important, but I don't want to take Who many broad strokes on this? I know we want to get more specific But but Megan your thoughts on kind of the the broader context of bringing kids up in a technology world Well, I agree with you that we have an advantage And I think most the people listening to this also have an advantage that we do understand technology We feel comfortable with learning about new technology and I feel grateful for that every day because I think When your children know that when you you might they might know about apps that you don't know about But when when they know that you understand this and that you might be two steps ahead of them That's an advantage for sure because there's always something new You know, it's you talked about your kids on Facebook and I just said before that there's no stopping Facebook But my kids have no interest in Facebook neither do any of their friends I have a 13 year old and two 11 year olds and you know, that's just as far from you know, what they want to do at all it's all snapchat and It was Instagram and now it's snapchat and now interestingly it's moving towards musically Tom do you do you know musically? Yeah music.ly. Yeah, yeah So it's you know, you make little videos with you know with your friends And they just introduced a live feature where it's live streaming and I think that this My kids are not they're sort of interested in this but to me That's the a really good example of the way technology movies moves for tweens and teenagers They want to be where we are not which is that's how we were with kids right like we as kids We wanted to be in our room. We wanted to be on our bike somewhere. We wanted to be at the park We didn't want to be where our parents were and so we're all on Facebook Then we all moved to Instagram and then so they moved to snapchat now We're all on snapchat and they're finding something else and and the interesting thing that they've chosen this thing that Anyone probably over the age of 20 will probably not use on a regular basis, you know, you and I are not Making videos lip-sync videos too often. I don't know Scott. There's another story after this episode So what do you guys tell to the parents who are into technology? But they're like I can't keep up, you know, I don't do a daily tech show like How do I find out where they're going so that I can do what Scott says and be able to experience these things? So I can advise them on it I don't and I don't want to oversimplify this because I know this isn't simple It's really hard for me to describe and we're actually working on a book about this very topic. So Look forward to that. I suppose some articulating it sort of poorly here, but it's it's a relationship thing that is Like anything else like if one of your kids yells the word sex That's a funny word ha ha ha on the house and they're five years old There are two ways to respond to that way number one is to go not under my house Not with my rules. You'll never say those words again. Watch your mouth out with soap All you've done is created a relationship and situation where the kid is going to go find out somewhere else You should be the one telling them what it is You should be the one telling them why it isn't funny or why it's funny or why it's a word at all And what it means that's your job not somebody else's so when you stigmatize and demonize they're gonna go somewhere else I find the exact same thing with technology So if you're already doing that in the other more practical ways around your kids outside of technology Then when the tech stuff comes up, you're gonna be better prepared for it So when they come to you or you go to them and you're like dad, I'm only 12 But I want a Facebook account. Well, you're not supposed to have one till you're 13 I know that I really want to my friend so-and-so has it All right Well tell you what if I'm the first person you friend you can do it and then you start sending messages to them They send them to you and before you know it even though their goal is to escape from you in some ways like Megan Says what I totally agree with They end up kind of wanting to hang around you to like they want you to sort of be a part of it as well and When that starts to happen, it's great because you're up on it. They're up on it. You're chatting back and forth I got three different tweets from my daughter today a couple of texts from my other daughter and Nick sends me vines all the time. Well, that's the kind of thing you want you want it to be open You don't want to be what's this vine thing and not under my house because they'll just find it some other way You're gonna turn them all into hackers are just gonna cheat and try to sneak around their parents So that's my general malicious hackers. Yeah Sorry Megan, I cut you off when I started Now it's basically what I was gonna say, you know, you talk to them and like Scott said it's no different than any other way You parented from the very beginning with or without technology. It's just talking and listen listening I mean, you know that that I get so frustrated with the news stories about sexting In it's just like it sells ads. So that's why you always hear about it And it's just like you need to talk to your kid talk to your kids about it and it's true It's hard. It's not it's not easy to talk to your kids about these things But you have to and ask them what they're doing because otherwise if you're just watching the news or reading the headlines about What every teenager is doing what you're watch out what your teenager is doing right now Like you don't know if your teenager is doing that you need to talk to them and ask them Also, you need to remember you were being people adults old people in suits We're telling that of you when you were a kid when you were reading comic books or you were playing Nintendo Or you were doing whatever it was that was the demonized thing in the culture of the time It's very hard to keep your brain in a place that remembers that and and can equate it to what's happening today Because it's really no different the people who read comics and video games for the large Incredible percentage went on to be regular people working tax-paying in some cases leaders of countries companies and communities and That's what will happen to this generation as well So getting all caught up in the oh, yeah, but you don't know what your teenagers doing on the weekend with his phone That is just gonna put you in a place of fear mongering and you're gonna overreact and and my My experience with that is it's just a never really all that true And second of all this argument that well, I need to be as safe as I can This isn't why is it bad for me to do everything? I can to protect my kid if you're doing everything you can then that means you are learning what these things are You are truly understanding what they are even if it annoys your kids that you know this much stuff Like sometimes they get annoyed at me because I'll say guys I know what's going on You don't have to go there or whatever and they'll say dad and I'll say seriously gonna ask me because I Totally know this like this is something I know and it you sort of reset those expectations and they realize crap We're kind of in this together. That's just family making. That's just like You know bonding and creating a I don't know a system of trust and it again is across all topics not just technology So if you're already establishing that in other ways that you are confident in like how you know I might be a farmer somewhere saying well, I I'm gonna let my kid drive when he's 13 Because my dad did for me whatever so maybe you do might even be against the law But you know what you've got some wisdom you're making a choice as a father and you do the thing you're gonna do But then get terrified because snapchats on somebody's phone and demand it gets removed because you know You've heard on the news what happens like that's just the worst possible Thing so I just think it makes you more consistent parent and if your kids are worth all that protection They're worth doing your own homework and research about even if you're not as technologically inclined. I Think that answers what you guys have both been saying answers a lot of the questions We were getting like when do I give a cell phone? How do I tell if it's if they're spending too much time indoors? What you're saying about like talk to the kids think about the kids personality And and and be a part of that kind of helps parents to find those answers and it's gonna be different for different situations I think one of the most interesting questions. We got I want to finish with this one was for military nerd who said Do parents think of and are they concerned that their use of technology is affecting their parenting? Are they concerned with what the takeaway for the children will be? I? Am I mean I know that I know I should model good behavior, but it comes with part of the job, too You know I I have my phone out a lot I have my laptop out a lot and you know and and it's the whole family is like that I'm sure you and I lean or like this to Tom It's like you both do it and it both annoys you when the other person is not paying attention to you, right? I mean, it's like that's part of mostly her right And if you ask her it's gonna be it's mostly him But yeah, it's like it's that's what when you're with people that you love you sometimes just let your guard down And you're just like oh, I'm gonna you know send this text message right now They won't care But you know as a person that you do care when the person is paying attention to their phone and not Not you and so it's something you have to think about all the time I do want to answer that question that you slid by when is the best time to get a child a cell phone as Late as you possibly can But that was why I said wait as long as possible. Yes, it depends on your kid But just like do not give in do not just because oh I get an upgrade or like no I'm sick of letting them play Pokemon go on my phone like just I think like for kids It's like the longer you wait the better. That's my personal. I completely agree with that And and also to speak to military nerd a little bit about this issue of your own personal habits If you it kind of goes without saying before if you've done what I'm saying and established to this Working relationship not a parent up here child down here relationship that a common piece of ground you can always communicate on No topic is forbidden doors always open actively aiming for that kind of family dynamic when You are sitting on the couch reading Twitter and your kid is trying to ask you an important question And they start to refer to you by your first name and loudly because you're not paying attention You realize that it goes both ways. You suddenly realize. Oh, dad. I have Yeah, he does that Nick doesn't see me all the time and that's amazing Merck and at me like what are you doing over there? And I'm like, alright I screw I'm sorry. I'm that's bad and they do it to me I do I do it to them. The point is that they get to hold me a little accountable and And it's and that's weird, right? Like some people think well no Parents always supposed to be in this position of authority and and always the prime example and the kid should always be learning Constantly from that that is a fantasy life that no one's ever had really What really happens is that we're fallible and we're not always perfect and when they see that in us when the Technology is the problem or is exacerbating the problem? My recommendation is to listen to them because often times They're going to tell you if you've kept your end of the deal. They'll keep their end of theirs and You'll stop doing that as much. I know what works for me So obviously all this does very subjective every family dynamic is different like like you said with phones even every kid is different every age is different, but There the battle is always the same the effort to get there is Harder for some less for others But is absolutely a must if you want your kids to I think have healthy attitudes toward and around technology into their adult years All right, if you got thoughts about this email us feedback at daily tech news show comm let's finish with our pick of the day from Jamie in it's hot during the day. That's why I drive at night Vancouver It seems like a long nickname for Vancouver and I've not seen that one before Jamie He says I wanted to tell you and my fellow listeners about my latest kitchen gadget purchase during Amazon Prime Day this year. I picked up the instant pot 7-in-1 cooker so far. This is the best kitchen gadget I've ever owned it mainly is a very powerful and programmable pressure cooker allowing you to make a Palethora of meals in a very short amount of time with the sautee function You can even do your initial browning before making a stew or a soup best part of this apart from the great price $119 is the vast community of people who already own an instant pot and who have shared their favorite recipes how they use this on a Near daily basis my IP classics Pinterest board is already filling up For those wanting an all-in-one solution for meals on a tight schedule definitely give this a go I highly recommend it. We haven't tried it. That's the way the picks go They just come from you, but it's got 9094 customer reviews and four and a half stars So it's doing okay over there on Amazon and it's it's programmable. It's not connected, right? It's not trying to be like an internet of things thing per se, but you can do a lot with it I love that. This is a pick. It's a gadget. It doesn't have to have the internet to be an interesting gadget It's not gonna help me cook any better than I already am terrible at but You like cooking like where are you at with the I'm not good at it and do it my husband does most of it But if I should just could just stick a bunch of stuff in that machine and it would make a meal for me Sure as the only one here who apparently cooks. I like this quite a bit In fact the part about being able to brown the stew meat in the pot like say that saving you a big step That's the thing that caught my eye. Yeah, I mean, I like this and principle and just it's just no It's not gonna be that great if I do it Send your picks to us folks feedback at daily tech news show comm you can find more picks at daily tech news show comm Slash picks that is it for this episode Megan Maroney. Thank you so much for being with us. Well, thanks for having me It's fun. Yeah, and now you get to go do it again because she's the host of tech news today Which is on in a couple hours now. Yes 4 p.m Pacific time with Jason Howell our old friend And yes, and I also host iOS today with Leo Laporte. That's Monday around 130 ish Leo Laporte time Pacific I couldn't I've said it before and I'll say it again I couldn't be more pleased that you and Jason are helming techniques today I think you're doing a great job with it and I'm so happy. Oh, thank you Yeah, we you started something good and we're glad to keep it going well that and top five on CNET I are too like things that I look at I'm like, hey, I had something to do with get those those going and there's good people running them So I'm very proud very happy Go check it out at twit.tv slash TNT and iOS today is where is it is a twit.tv slash iOS? That's correct Thank you Scott Johnson, what do you got going on? Oh Things and it's all by the way always fun to guest on that show and they do a great job So Megan it's really good to see it And I'm glad that we have one more thing in common, which is we both suck at cooking If you want to know more about stuff I have going on There's a billion things happening But the one thing I want people to know about this week is we are about a week away from the launch of the rally point podcast For Bleacher report comm they're doing a big new e-sports initiative If you don't know what bleacher report is you probably know who Turner broadcasting is this is their sort of sports arm on the internet and Beginning in e-sports in a big way, so we're gonna be hosting this new show twice a week myself Brian and seven And it's coming soon So if you want to learn more go to bleacher report comm slash e-sports and check it out today If you like what we're doing here, please consider supporting us daily tech news show comm slash support Or if you'd like to be involved in our slack channel or maybe get the full pre and post show in audio form You can find those options at patreon comm slash DTNS We also have a headlines only version of the show That's less than 10 minutes every day at daily tech headlines Dot-com our email addresses feedback at daily tech news show comm you can give us call 51259 daily catch the show live Monday through Friday 4 30 p.m. Eastern at alphageek radio comm and diamond club dot TV our website is daily tech news show comm We're a little earlier tomorrow because of travel with Roger Chang as my co-host talk to you then The show is part of the frog pants network get more at frog pants dot-com That was fantastic. Oh, that was great. Thank you. Thank you Megan Yeah, that's always fun to hang out with you. I felt like I was really chatty today. I hope I didn't run over anyone No, man. It was good stuff from both of you guys. Very good. I didn't feel run over I did not I did not feel mansplained by either one of you. I Certainly wasn't gonna try to man or parents blame anybody in this episode Do your dogs get annoyed when you're on your phone or your laptop Yeah, does he do the nose thing like the flip up your hand. Does your dog do that? Yeah Yeah, well, not not so much the hand. He just kind of comes in like gets in my face It's like hey, hey, pay attention me. I'm your dog Our dog will come up and whack the try to whack the phone out of your hand with her paw Yeah, there's no good on like a cement, you know No, yeah, my dog does it with his nose. That's interesting. All right. Well, I get it's better. Yeah. Yeah, you got a book But thank you for being on yeah, thank you any time and love to have you guys on to tell everyone especially Jason We say hello. Okay. I will especially Jason He's special Jason's very special. Yes. He is All right. Bye. Bye. All right. See ya Show titles. Yes Tell your kids about the birds and the bites Birds and the bites like bites. It's not bad B. Y. T. E. S Not in my one two seven dot zero dots you get it not in my house. Hmm home. I guess it's home your home address Dad can I have keys to the password manager? There's some good ones today, I like this one parenting tech colon the true boss level. Oh, yeah, that's good, too You got a stew going actually like, you know, if they can combine a pressure cooker with a convection oven Yeah, it's that that is the epitome that will be learned to cook No words cook them. I mean I can learn how to cook. I just hate cleaning. I know how to cook It's not that hard. It takes time to learn though. That was the thing when I I mean I knew how to kind of cook but when I got serious about it is when I was like Oh, it takes repetition Like you have to do it a lot. That's that's that's the thing to really get the nuance stuff Even then I'm not claiming. I'm like a chef or like I'm not close to Kim's level or anything like that But I'm like I'm I can make more than one dish now I can even make up dishes on the spot based on ingredients, which I could never do before This is my problem with Kim is she'll I just feel like a complete idiot, right? Yeah, no, I know you're like living with the master there is bad And Eileen's way better than me too. The difference is she doesn't have time to cook these days, right? So, you know, I don't have to compare myself when she does something better I like that you're doing that I want to do more than when you were here and talking about that it made me wish I was better at that Yeah, and this you know stuff like salad is a really easy way to get started too because it's less complex It's mostly chopping coming from an Asian background I've pretty much learned how to my starch is my rice and then everything else just goes on top of it Yeah That's the way I used to eat in like college Rice or noodles and then pour stuff on top Taco Bell taught me that just all I need is seven ingredients and mush them up in some configuration I I go by basically vegetable protein and starch. All right. We need a title. So let's go with I think tech the true boss level true boss level. Okay, I'm done Honorable mentions for the birds in the bites and of course not in my 127 dot zero dot zero dot one And I really like that you can I have the keys to the router or whatever that one? Yeah, you guys had great ones in there today That was awesome. I Have a question for you Scott after oh, okay real quick. No worries I think well, you know some funny happen with today's topic. I was like I'm in the middle of this book thing and it's uh-huh all about this sort of stuff And it was I had this overwhelming feeling to just throw it all out at once almost like a data dump Uh-huh get talk like that. You have to like I mean, I think I got okay later But at the beginning I was like, ah, there's like 20 things. I want to get too much of your head Yeah, yeah, yeah prepared to just like wing this and I just I just I had to find My brain and Megan helped me do that and then it went fine. But yeah, it was good. One of the big lessons Takeaways is really like everyone's different. There isn't there isn't a One-size-fits-all rule even for a particular age group. Yeah Well, because what they have a personality of a personal and you have to have to work with that Yeah, plus it's just it's different between each kid like my three kids could not be more different than each other Oh, do we need to tell people about the time for tomorrow's show? I just told bio cow in the chat room 10 a.m. Pacific. So 1 p.m. Eastern bio cow I want beef lunch and dinner. I'm so upset I want I went to Costco to buy a sandwich meat and they have really good sandwich meat the Kirkland brand And I thought I grabbed I grabbed a turkey for my wife But then I grabbed what I thought was roast beef, but it was another turkey. Oh I mean, I like turkey. It's just I wanted roast beef This turkey first up. Yeah, let's see here. What's on my shopping list? I'm gonna go to the grocery store after the show And I'm just because I never buy sandwich meat. I never buy bread Pepperoni yogurt granola vitamins berries meatballs mouthwash stamps smoked salmon sausages Scandinavian bread and Tilex I'm trying to think of all the dishes if you could combine those various elements Tilex and it made my day. Yeah That's why shopping lists are so fun because there's always a couple of random elements Do not eat all those at once folks. Yeah And the Tilex has been on there for a couple weeks because the Ralph's doesn't carry Tilex for whatever stupid reason So I have to go to like CVS or someplace to get it you what do you do at the pepperoni? Is that like a I use that to rub the Tilex You know, we actually eat it as a snack sometimes, but I also will put it on salads What's Tilex Sess spray for cleaning Now see and what's not on here is I'll often because I've gotten to the point where I could do this now I'll just buy ground beef or pork chops And as long as I've got you know, some garlic some lemon some Panko breading in the house. I can do something with them if I buy ground beef off and buy like mushrooms or onions To throw in with that and then I just buy salad stuff. I'll buy lettuce or spinach and a bunch of vegetables and Yeah, so you know what complements things. That's good. I think and I didn't like a year ago This is all new. That's that's the thing I feel like Kim's real good at and I have no I have no sense of that And I'm just probably just means I need to do it more You know, but I would never like if I'm like, I'm in the mood for ground beef. I would not know what else to get Yeah, and that's the way I used to be I would never buy that stuff I just go buy something frozen that was already pre-prepared And I do that with meatballs like When I started like okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna learn to be a better cook I'm gonna make everything so I'm not gonna buy meatballs I'm gonna make meatballs and I've there are things now that I like, you know what? It's not worth the effort. It really doesn't save you that much money and the meatballs I make aren't that much better. So just get the frozen meatballs, but meatloaf stuff like that. Sure. I'll make that pork chops Yeah, I used to make loaves of meat You love is good. I got an epic curious recipe that has bacon in it See, I I try to I do try to live in my meat meat intake and incorporate more vegetables just because it might go Well, yeah, that makes sense. I try to go half vegetables and and then Quarter protein quarter whole grains Is my target and not every meal is strictly that but that's kind of what I try to keep in mind my sister made us a lasagna that had I don't know where she got the recipe but I had ground turkey instead of beef in it and Lots of tomato sauce and cheeses and stuff but the but the instead of having layers of big pasta ribbon things It was a certain kind of tortilla And no one told me this when I went to eat it and I thought it was utterly fantastic Like one of the best lasagnas I've ever had and they're like, yeah, and that stuff's like a tortilla in there It was so weird and good That I kind of don't care if I ever have the old way again. It was so good interesting see Eileen loves beef so much. She I've tried to fool her a couple of times with things. She's like this isn't ground beef And I'm just like, ah, fine. Okay. All right. I like tried putting vegetables in in with like spaghetti sauce She's like why are there vegetables in this? I I weaned myself off red meat like a bunch of years ago just because At the time I just every time I ate it. I felt heavy. Yeah, like I just felt like I just that's a good reason That's a good reason to to avoid it. It's it's weird because it After around the age of 25, you know, your body goes through a lot of changes. You know bird as much Off it felt like I was I was wearing a cow instead of eating it. So Uh not a good feeling No, it's just it's you just especially during the summer even in san francisco when when you get the one or two weeks that are like over 90 you're like Yeah, 103 today. It's hot here Have you I wonder if uh Be a good place to make a solar oven Yeah Might be I don't know the winter though things get weird. You can do some sun tea Ah My mom used to do the sun tea all the time. Yeah. Well, what's that? What is sun tea? It's uh tea that you put in a jar and you set out on the back porch when it's hot in the sun And instead of instead of boiling instead of brewing it on the stove top. You let the sun do it Oh weird. We used to do raisins that way. Yeah, the thing right like Yeah Make it it was a little bit of a gimmick. I never know. I never found that the tea tasted Appreciably better than just regular made. Well, I mean it's I guess you I mean if you like or was she using like Loose tea leaves or is she using bags of Lipton? She's probably using bags Lipton. I don't really remember There would I mean, how do you know some fly didn't have babies in it or something? You know, it's got a cover on it. Oh, okay. Yeah, so it's a bugs wouldn't get into it But that's where the protein comes in You know, they say insects are the more sustainable protein, you know, that's that's why they invented arnold palmers Because when you put the lemonade at the the this the citric acid kills all that stuff in the water All the fun. Oh, that's why they've also that's not why they invented it Is it? I like the indignation You are disrespecting the memory of arnold pauber the adventure of the arnold pauber I never know with you roger chang. I know sometimes you've you've got these inside knowledge Well, that's the whole point. I keep people over Keep jumping Let me see it's just some calendar stuff scott more specifically the one day they asked you about I'm almost done here. Yeah, hold on a second. Let me test this make sure I didn't do it wrong Muting daily tech news joke daily time boy. I say the name of the show a lot apparently Steve scrubbing through here. Yeah Someone says that arnold palmers is dead. He's not dead. He's living. Oh, I didn't say he was dead He just said the memory of I don't think it means he was dead. Well, I know that sort of implies he was dead That's not what I meant. Yeah, you can have a memory of someone who's still alive I remember roger he's right here in front of you It's like when I go to Eileen and I give her my condolences Uh, the best the give her was when roger looked at our dog jango and said four drumsticks Yeah, she doesn't fit in the oven anymore. So probably would be so good Sawyer on the other but you know, too scrawny too scrawny That stringy meat like really ropey because I'll throw it around All right, uh, we're just kidding dog lovers. We love our dogs and I will never let anyone eat them. So Thanks everybody for watching without Back to early tomorrow