 that Jesus's death on the cross was a waste of time, that doesn't seem right, that didn't feel right to say it. Who would think such a thing? Who would say such a thing? But even more to the point, who would even teach such a thing? That statement is meant to bother some folks, it's meant to trigger some folks. As a matter of fact, as I said before, got a new attitude. So much so that I want to be thought provoking and even I want to be intentional in making some people uncomfortable. The reason being is because the most important thing that we can have, the most important that we can think about or talk about in our lives is our salvation. Our time on this planet is drawing near. Our individual lives are coming to an end, some sooner rather than later, compared to others certainly. And so this issue of someone being saved and how long they're saved if they can lose their salvation is of the utmost importance. And if you don't think so, well, I'm gonna make you feel that way. I don't make you feel uncomfortable. I mean to make you feel bothered by the question. Who in the world would ever say? Nobody would say that. Nobody would ever say that Jesus death on the cross as a waste of time. His blood as a waste of time. Holy spirit, waste of time. Could have been done. That's 33 and a half years, I won't get back. That's 33 and a half years, I won't get back. But I got some questions to ask you. By the way, by the way, those who think that, those people who feel this way, they don't say it, but they think it. They feel it and they teach it. Let me give you a group of people who think and feel and teach this way. Here's some people, these demon slayers, they certainly think and feel this way and teach this way. Also to hear some stalwarts of the heretic community, GD Jakes, Bill Johnson, or how about these? Anybody named Apostle, anybody named prophet, anybody who has given a false prophecy of a life. Yeah, or what about the old guard? These guys are the old heads, the OGs of heresy. But it's not just men. There are also women who are also part of this group who think this way and who teach this way. And then we've got some people, you know what, look there, the Pope. Yeah, I know someone's gonna say, hey, that's just not right putting someone in the same position as a pope. But I didn't come up with this. These are what these people think. What do they think? They think that you can lose your salvation. Why do I think that is commiserate with saying that Jesus did not have to come? That sounds like a lot. As a matter of fact, that's heavy. For someone to have that allegation put on them, here's my question. Now you can talk me back if you want to. You can refute me, you can disprove me, but I've got a question. I've got a few questions, as a matter of fact. First question is this. To anyone that thinks that you can lose your salvation, here's my question. Matter of fact, not just to them, to everybody. Those on both sides of the ledger. Those on both sides of the ledger. First question is, why did Jesus have to come? What was the point? So while we're here, you guys are in the chat. Just tell me, what is the reason for Jesus coming? Now, it's not a trick question, by the way. I promise you, it's not a trick question, but what was the point, the reason, the purpose of Jesus ever having to come? That's important. Why did he have to die? Why? So someone please tell me, because I might not have this right. I might be wrong. I might be wrong, but why did Jesus have to die? What was the whole, yeah, getting on the cross and being nailed to the cross and all this blood and all this pain and this goriness, sacrifice, why did he have to die? What was, I mean, die for what? And then another question, why did he even send us the Holy Spirit? Someone help me. Someone help me. Yeah, I think you guys are getting it. I think you guys have it for salvation because of our sin. But my question is, what do you mean because of our sin? See, let's think about this. Let's think about this. Let's think about what life was like prior to Jesus' incarnation. Let's think about it before then. Because see, if you believe that you can lose your salvation, a couple of things. One, you don't really need Jesus. If you think that's hard to say, or you can't say that, people think, well, if you think you can lose your salvation, my contention is that you really don't need Jesus. All you need is you. So all you need is you. All you need is your ability, your ability to what? Your ability to keep yourself, your ability to keep yourself hearing, your ability to keep yourself faithful, keep yourself believing, your ability to keep yourself remaining, your ability to keep yourself bearing fruit, just your ability period. That's all you need. Your ability, you. You, you, you, you. because again, what was the set of circumstances required for salvation prior to Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection? What was the set of circumstances? What was required? What was required for salvation or another way of putting it? What was required to be atoned for or to be in right standing? That's all we care about. In order to not go to hell, you have to be in right standing. That's it. Now, even though that's it, it's a big it. How do you get to that? How do you get to right standing in the Lord? How does, or in other words, how does God look at you as you being in right standing? Well, much the same way as it is now, I'll agree that you have to place faith in his atoning work. You have to place faith in his and God's atoning work. Well, what was God's atoning work? God's atoning work was that one, there was a priest who would be the mediator who would confess the sins of the people on this scapegoat, send the sins away out of the presence of the people. And then there'd be the shed blood of this lamb on the altar for this animal on the altar. And then God would accept the sacrifice and folks that humbled themselves and so forth. But then faith in that, easy. I'm atoned for. I'm in right standing or here's the word, I'm justified. How long am I justified? One year. So the question is, it was possible, is it, was it not to be saved? Or another way of putting it, to be atoned for previous to Christ. It was possible to be atoned for previous to Christ. However, it was a yearly or an ongoing requirement. It was an ongoing requirement because in that case the atonement was that you would receive was temporary. This statement that we have, eternal security or eternal salvation, we don't see that in the Old Testament. We don't see that word in the Old Testament. Where we see it, when do we hear this term? We see this term, we hear this term. We see and hear the writers and you just speak about this term in the New Testament. That's when we hear it. Why? Why not hear it then? Why then in the New Testament and why not in the Old Testament? Can you think of what in the world could have possibly happened to give us this new term that we didn't previously have in the Old Testament? Hmm, let's think about it. Let's just, let's search our head. Let's just scratch our heads and search this. Let's deep dive, let's think about this. What could have possibly happened? What could have possibly happened in the New Testament that's not in the Old Testament? Huh, I wonder, must be a mystery since we've got so big a divide between people who believe you can lose it and people can't lose it. Some folks who actually do believe in eternal security and those who don't. Everlasting life, what's happened? We need to figure this out. We need to figure this out. We need to be Bible detectives. Since previously you could be atoned for one day and then later on not be atoned for. My question is this, under the Old Covenant, let's think about this, let's, let's, let me just be serious here. Let's, I'll stop being facetious for a moment. Let's back up. What caused a person to be atoned for? What put a person in right standing in the Old Testament? What made a person save, so to speak? What put them in right standing in the Old Testament? Would it be correct to say faith in the atonement? I mean, listen, the atonement could happen, but just because it happened didn't necessarily mean that you were atoned for, right? So it's possible that atonement could be made, but it didn't benefit you. But the way that atonement could benefit you under the Old would be faith in what God has done and to, and to move faithfully. So if that's the case, if that's the case, and I don't think there'd be too much of a debate on that, what would cause a person to be made unrighteous? Well, we know it makes you righteous. Righteous faith, what makes you righteous under the Old would be faith and observance of the law. And you observe the law by faith, but there are those who would even at times observe the law, but they would not still be considered righteous because of their faith. So this faith is required. We all do agree that that same faith that saves us now is the same faith that saved them then. Okay, just like even in their previous dispensation before there was the law, what made Abraham faith, I mean, say, justify in right standing faith? What about able? What made, what put able in right standing faith? Same thing with Noah, same thing with Enoch, faith. So that's what puts you in right standing. What would make you unrighteous? This is where the trick question, it seems like a trick question, but it's not. It's really not. What would make a person not be in right standing? What would make the person unrighteous? And I need your participation, guys. You're helping me out. You are helping me out. What would make a person unrighteous? Well, lack of faith, wouldn't you say? A lack of faith would do it, not observing the law. Sin, idolatry, unbelief, your brother, Greg, a good one, idolatry, believe or think something else is true, such as maybe another guy, following your own desires. Those are the things that would make a righteous person become unrighteous or keep a person being unrighteous, right? Now, the things that make a person unrighteous under the old, are those some of the same things today that would also cause a person to be in, not being right standing? If those things are present in you, not observing God's commands, what we're told to do in the Bible, by Christ, the apostles, yet those things, that would put us in an unrighteous state. We wouldn't be in right standing then. Sin, we don't have a law to observe, but idolatry, not believing in God or being a Muslim, being a Hindu, being a Buddhist, those things would make us unrighteous. Those are the things that would put us in an unrighteous standing, not justified, right? So now, let's just make sure that's the case. Let's go to the Bible, let's go to Ezekiel and let's see what Ezekiel says. This passage comes up an awful lot. This passage comes up an awful lot and so let's just read the passage. Ezekiel, where's my cursor at? There it is. But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, what he says, and commits iniquity and does according to all the abominations that a wicked man does, will he live? All his righteous deeds, which he has done, will not be remembered, important word, will not be remembered for his treachery, which he has committed, and his sin, which he has committed, for them, those sins, he will die. That's not difficult to understand. That's not difficult to understand at all. Would you all agree? Now, I wanna throw another passage that's also there in Ezekiel. Just a little further down in verse 31, he says, cast away from you all your transgressions, all your sins, which you have committed, and make yourselves, look what he says, and make yourselves a new heart and a new spirit. For why will you die, O house of Israel? So two issues that come up, sin and the heart. Stop sinning, because your sins make you unrighteous. And so he says, give yourself a new heart. Get your heart right, fix yourself. Is that what he says? Make yourself a new heart and a new spirit. So God's issue is sin and our heart. It's our heart that causes this sin. Are you with me? So we've got a problem that God wants to address. Now, I hope you guys are tracking with me. I hope you guys are tracking with me, because that's rough for you to say that way, to say that someone will think that what Jesus did on the cross was just a waste of time. Well, again, if you keep yourself safe now, then weren't you doing the exact same thing then? What was your charge then? Your charge was to stop sinning and fix your heart. That was the charge under the old. Prior to Christ, your charge was to stop sinning. You, mister, you missy poo, you little lady, you little fella, stop sinning. You are charged with fixing your heart, getting your heart right. That's your charge. Problem was, could you do it? Now, the command was there, I saw just how I put up, choose whom you shall serve, amen. Choose, choose, choose, keep choosing, keep choosing, keep choosing. What does Israel or mankind never do? Keep choosing. Stop sinning, fix your heart. So what is God's remedy? Well, we've covered this before, so let's just put it on there again. Let's just deal with it again. Ezekiel 1119, he says, and I will give them one heart and put a new spirit within them, and I will take the heart of stone out of their flesh and give them a heart of flesh that they may walk in my statue and keep my ordinances and do them. Then they will be my people and I shall be their God. So what does God say he's gonna do? He says that he will. Now, the charge is, and it's always been the charge, he keeps telling them, fix your heart. Simultaneously, he's saying that one day I will fix your heart. So yes, fix your heart. You fix your heart. Well, why would he keep telling them to fix their heart if he says one day, and he says this throughout the scriptures before we get to Christ, that he will do so? Well, the problem is for those folks that he's speaking to, when he actually decides to fix their hearts, when he decides that he's gonna give them a new heart, they'll be dead. So try to fix it if you can. But what's the lesson that we can learn from this? They can't. They can't. So he says his promise is he will do so. And in his promise, him saying that, so look what he says. We cover this passage over and over again. And so let's just cover it again in Ezekiel 3635. He says, then I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean. Not might be clean, not may be clean, you will be clean. I will cleanse you from all your filthiness. God, not me, not me, I, not that I, I can't do anything for you, but I, God, I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. And I, now, he's also told them to do it, but they don't do it. So which is why he says he will do it. I will put my spirit within you and cause you to walk in my statutes and you will be careful to observe my ordinances, right? And then the promise from that that we see that God tells us we see in Jeremiah 32, 39, which he says, and I will give them one heart, so in one way that they may fear me always for their own good and for the good of their children after them, I will make an everlasting covenant with them and I will not, here it is, I will not turn away from them to do them good. And I will put the fear of me in their hearts so that they will not turn away from me. So what's going to happen? I think that part ought to be simple, understood. People complain about Corey stop using the Greek stop using the Hebrew. Okay, what I think I will not do today is I will not use Hebrew or Greek today for today because I say Corey, the English is perfectly understood. So fine, fine, perfectly understood. So there's two groups of people out there that we can think of, people who think that it's up to them to maintain their salvation. Then there's another group who thinks that it's up to God to maintain. I heard someone put it this way and they were right but they were wrong in their understanding. They said, if since salvation is a gift, now this is their rationale, since salvation is a gift, it's up to the person that receives the gift to maintain the gift. Okay, what do y'all think about that statement? Since salvation is a gift, it's up to the receiver of the gift to maintain the gift. Does that, how does that make you feel? How does that make you feel? Is it up to the gift giver to maintain the gift or is it up to the receiver of the gift to maintain the gift? What do you think? Now the person that said that, that said that it's up to the person who receives the gift, it's up to them to maintain the gift that person believes that you can lose your salvation. I said, I like your analogy. I like what you just said. It is up to the receiver of the gift to keep it. I don't have a problem with that. Matter of fact, as a matter of fact, don't go on it. That's actually biblical. That's actually biblical to say the receiver of the gift is responsible for keeping the gift. Yeah, Corey, that doesn't sound biblical at all. Yes, it does. Jesus said it. He says, all that the Father, there's the word, gives, all that the Father gives to me will come to me. And the one who comes to me, I will certainly not cast out. Okay, like what you're just saying and Mr. Who Thinks You Can Lose Your Salvation, if it's up to the receiver of the gift to maintain the gift, to keep the gift, well, what's the gift? The gift is what God gave the Son, which is us. See, we think sometimes that is from our perspective that our salvation is a gift. And it is a gift, but the gift really in the grand scheme of things is us being given to Christ. So here's my question, Mr. You Can Lose Your Salvation. If it's up to the receiver, which is Christ, to keep it, will he keep the gift? Well, let's look what Jesus says. Let's look what Jesus says. This is what Jesus says. He says, and this is the will of him who sent me, that all that he has given me, since I'm the gift receiver, all that he has given me, I will lose none of them. But raise it up in the last day. This is the will of my Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in him will have eternal life. And by the way, this belief is, pistol on, so those that are believing, and I myself will raise it from the last day. So what is the will? The gift receiver is going to, the gift receiver who receives the gift from the gift, giver is going to keep every last one of them and raise them up in the last day. See, you say it makes too much sense. I think so too, but there are some that don't. Which is why I'm going to mess with them. Which is why I'm going to mess, I've got to cause them to do some thinking. I've got to cause them to do some thinking because it's getting bad out there. It's getting bad out there, and it's causing folks not to have confidence. Now, we've talked about in the old what causes a person to be in right standing. And we've talked about what makes a person not be in right standing under the old. And by the way, those are the same two things after the cross. Faith and then sin and not having faith. Yeah, under the new is the same. Question is, what did the Lord say he was going to do about that? About both those things, about sin and our heart, about believing. What did he say? Now, I want to ask another question also. I've got a couple of questions. What does salvation do? But also, what does the Holy Spirit do? The Bible says in Jude, now unto him who is able to keep us from stumbling or from falling. Is that the Lord teasing us? Anybody have any siblings? Little siblings or big siblings? Anybody have any siblings? Or cousins? If you do, you've witnessed this. If you do, you have witnessed this. That is, I could, but I won't. Hey, you want some? No, I never mind. I'll give you, now I never mind. Yeah, have you ever had, or maybe you've done it tease your sibling or your sibling tease you with what they could give you or what you can give them and they, nope. I could, but I won't. That's what that passage means in Jude. I could, but I won't. I could keep you from stumbling, but I won't. Is that really what, is that really? God is saying, I could keep you, but I won't. I don't love you enough to keep you. That's not what God is saying. The point is to now unto him who can keep you from stumbling because he will keep you from stumbling. He's not teasing you. He's not your little brother. He's not your big sister. That's not what he's doing. He's not your old raggedy cousin who wants to pick on you every time he comes up. That's not what he's doing. Now unto him who can keep you, who is able to keep you, he's able. He's demonstrated that. Because if he can't, if he doesn't, what? My question now is, one, why did you die? Why did you die on the cross? What was the point of you dying on the cross? I asked that question earlier. What was the point of you dying on the cross? What was the point of you shedding your blood? What was the point even after that of the Holy Spirit? What does the Holy Spirit do? He must not do much of anything. The Holy Spirit must not do much of anything. If you can lose your salvation, what in the world is he do? By the way, have you ever noticed the folks that would say that you can lose your salvation? Especially those in the charismatic persuasion. Y'all forgive me if you are charismatic. I apologize, but you cannot have it two ways. I don't know why every time I see Robert Tuzi. I don't know, I just get happy when I see that name, Robert Tuzi, I just like that name. But it cannot be, it cannot be, you can't have it both ways. What do you mean, Corey, by having it both ways? Let me drink a sip of my coffee and I'll tell you what I mean by having it both ways. You cannot have so much Holy Spirit. I mean, the Holy Spirit, you have so much Holy Spirit that the Holy Spirit just falls off of you. You roll over in bed and you cast out demons while you're in your sleep. You got so much Holy Spirit that you speak in tongues and can't no demon interpret that. You got so much Holy Spirit that you got enough faith to where you can name these things, you can cause these things, they're not to be so. You can lay hands on the sick and they'll get well. You got so much Holy Spirit that you can prophesy and even if you're wrong, it's still okay. You got so much Holy Spirit. The Spirit of the Lord is in you, you got so much faith but yet the Holy Spirit ain't strong enough to keep you from losing salvation. I'm worried, I'm concerned, I'm concerned. That doesn't seem right. Doesn't seem right at all. You got the Holy Spirit in you, could keep you but he don't, but so the Holy Spirit will let you lose your salvation. Meanwhile, the Holy Spirit is working in you to cast out demons. The Holy Spirit is working in you to heal people, to prophesy, but not working in you to keep. Something ain't right here. Something is wrong with that lie. We need to figure this out. Something is wrong. What does the Holy Spirit do? And then another question we got to, we got to exactly, we absolutely have to examine. When do you get saved? When do you get saved? Because if we can figure that out, then we can figure out that if you could actually lose it or not. When in the world do you get saved? Before I go too far, let me also thank some of you guys for the super chat before I forget myself. Spider monkey says, I do not deny the truth of the favor of God because if justice could come by means of law, amen. Amen. Thank you, Amy and Bible truth. I appreciate that sister. Thank you. Tyrone Dunstan, thank you as well. Leontine Hudson, thank you also. Jeff says, Christ gives us what we don't deserve by what he did in order to save us from what we do. And it's eternal. Sign, seal, deliver. You are singing in, I'm not sure what key that is, but it's whatever key that you wanna place that in. Sign, seal, deliver. I'm yours. Amen. Signs are delivered. We are His. He keeps what's His. No one, nothing can take it from Him. You would think, since it's written in the book, we would understand that. You would think that. You would think that, but I guess not, but I guess not. We've got to figure out some questions. What does the Holy Spirit, because again, here's my contention. God, His promises, which by the way, we're gonna cover His promises later on in a separate video, but if you could lose your salvation, one, you don't need Jesus. I said it, I'm in it. I even won't forget it. But it also impunes His promises. Which promises? Well, one, His promise to keep us. His promise that we just read, we're gonna read some more. His promise is not to lose any and to raise up. His promise not to turn away from us. Also His promise that we won't turn away from Him. His promise to perfect us. His promise that those of us who have been sanctified will be sanctified. His promise to never blot us out. His promise that He will let, that He's canceled the debt. But if we die, we perish and go to hell, we have a debt. His promise that nothing could or would ever separate us. His promise, remember He says that, I go to prepare a place for you if it were not so, I wouldn't tell you so. And if I go to prepare a place for you, then I'm coming back for you. That must have been a lie. Could not have been a good promise. Then He also says that He promises, or we're promised by Paul, so I think same thing, because he was inspired by the Holy Spirit, that he who began a good work in us was gonna, he's gonna complete it. Can't trust that. His promise to seal us. His promise to keep us and to raise us in, we can't trust that. When he said it was finished, it has been finished. Well, guess what? I guess that we can't trust that promise. If we can't trust those promise, well, what can we trust you that you would say, Jesus? If there's one promise of His that we can't trust, then none of His promises we can trust. But no, His promises are good as long as you stay safe. His promises are good as long as you stay in Him. His promises are good as long as you keep believing. We already know that you can't keep believing. So remember, under the old, before Jesus showed up on the scene in His incarnation, you could have faith in God and then stop having faith in God and then not be atoned for, be in an unrighteous state. After that, you can be in an unrighteous state. Think about this. This is why this is a global cosmic waste of time. Prior to Jesus and after Jesus is the exact same thing. Prior to Jesus and after Jesus is the exact same thing. Jesus, what did you come for? You could have never gotten on the cross. You could have never gotten hurt. You could have never been bruised and battered. None of that had ever happened. Thank you, Kendrick James. I appreciate that. None of that ever had to happen. That's a waste of time. So you see why the thumbnail says what it says? Cause when you state that He won't do what He said He's gonna do and the promise that He says He's gonna do and the power behind His blood and the fact that one, the debt was cash. Y'all do realize the reason why we go to hell is cause there's an outstanding debt, a charge against us. That's why Romans 8 says, who shall bring a charge against God's elect? It's God who justifies. Where does He unjustify us? That's why Jesus makes a statement. That's why Jesus makes a statement. John 19.30, He says it is finished. He says it has been finished in the past. So why would He make the statement? By the way, this is also used as a financial transaction. If you go back and look at first century Jews or first century culture at that time they would use this term. I said I wouldn't say Greek, but let me just say this part. The telestide, which is also used after a sale is complete, meaning that it has been paid for, it is finished. There's nothing else owed. Why would Jesus make the statement that nothing else is owed if something will be owed? Let's go to the scriptures. We've got to do some, we've got to do some more scripture-ing. We've got to run through these passages some more. I think it's important. By the way, by the way, by the way, if you are born again, we are told, we are told that. According to 1 John 5.4, He says, but whatever is born of God, that is, you know what? I'm sorry. Chest chant. Brian, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, chest chant. I'm sorry. I said I wasn't going to do any Greek. I have to. I have to. So let me just, I'll be quick. I'll be brief about it. But He says, for whatever is born, this word, giga-namanan, is a perfect tense. It's a perfect tense, it's a part of simple. Part of simple means it's kind of this, in this continuation, but it's a perfect tense. The Greek perfect tense means that it is a, a completed action in the past. And in this case that would have ongoing ramifications, which is verified because of part of simple. So it's a, so this giga-namanan, which is that we have been born in the past and is currently in effect. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. This is 1st John 5, verse four. But He says, for whatever is, and by the way, the whatever is upon all, so all that is born of God. Overcomes, Nikot, so the ones that are born in the past and are still, that's us, that's you. If you are saved, you've been born again. If you are saved, you have been born again. And so He says, if you have been born again, you have been born again in the past. Oh, by the way, that means you overcome this world. And this is the victor that overcome this world, faith. We know so, because we go to verse one, whoever believes the one, pas, ha, pistol, on the one that's believing that Jesus is Christ, that person is born, that person. And again, guess what it is? Perfect tense, that, that one that believes that Jesus is, that person has been born in the past, past tense, which is why we understand those passes now that He will do something to our heart. He will make our hearts born again. God is the one that causes us to be born again, not you. I don't care how cute you are. I don't care if you got a brand new hairdo and heaven must like my hairdo, my new eyelashes, my earring thing, heaven loves the way I look. Heaven loves me so much. No, you didn't cause yourself to be born again. How do I know? Well, because Peter jumps in the fray. Peter says, he says, blessed be the God and father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy, not ours, his great mercy, look what he says, has caused us to be born again. He is the one that caused us to be born again, not you or I, or you or me. None of us did. How about that? None of us caused us to be born again. Your great decisions didn't do it. So if it was not your great decisions that do it, then it's not your great decisions keeping that. How do we know that? Because we keep running to Galatians as an example and I've said before, and I've answered these questions in Galatians that these, not speaking of someone losing salvation, is speaking of someone wanting to be saved by their works. But what's the whole point of Galatians? He says, are you being kept by your works? That's his point. Are you being kept by your works? If you think so, then you might be the person that's trying to be saved by your work, which means you have been cut off. You cannot get there by the route that you're going. So therefore, you cannot work. You didn't work your way in. You can't work your way to keep it, and which means you also cannot work your way out. Are you with me? Now, there's a debt that is owed. I gave you all the example before about how God owes a debt. He determines what debt is required. God determines what debt is required, not you. I don't get a chance to test a society to test a society. I said it all so wrong. I don't get a chance to test a society if I've done wrong what's required for me to make it right. Could you imagine? Now, by the way, this would have been a sweet deal for me. If I could have gone to the court on the day of sentencing and said, listen, Your Honor, I got this taken care of. Tell you what I'm gonna do. No jail time, no nothing. I'll just do community service. I'll just do community service. And then that way, debt is paid. Could you imagine us determining if you committed a crime, if you cheated on somebody, if you outsmarted, if you done something? Could you imagine if you decided what the payment's gonna be? No, God does. But remember, he's a just God. This just God has determined what will be the payment. He said it'll be blood. Death by means of blood. But it couldn't be just any old death. It had to be some certain person's death. And oh, by the way, it couldn't be any old person's blood. It has to be blood of a perfect kind. Abbey Fisher, I'll come to that in a second. I'll come to that, sweetheart. And so Jesus steps up and says, I got the perfect blood. Yeah, Shining Rivers, what's this that mean? I stole 5,000, tell you what I'll do. I'll give you 3,000, and don't we do that all? First of all, we do it anyway. We do it anyway, right? We'll incur a bill, we'll incur a debt, not pay it and then tell them when we're gonna pay it and then get mad when they don't accept it. Or, hey, let me borrow some money from you. I'll pay it back on this date. That date comes, okay, listen, let me hear something. We do the same thing, we do it anyway. That's not right. We don't have the right to tell the person who's owed what is to be paid. Now when the person who was owed says, pay this, this is what's required. And then what's required is paid. Is there anything else left to pay? No, that would make God unjust. That's why Paul makes a statement in Colossians 2, 14. He says, having, matter of fact, let's go back up. Let's go back up, let's go back up. Let's start in, ah, let's go to verse nine. Famous passage, for in him that's Christ, all the fullness of deed, or the Godhead dwells in bodily form. And in him you have been made complete. Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. You mean to tell me us Christians, we have been made complete? Perfect tense again. We have been made complete. We have been made complete. And he is the head over all rule and authority. And in him you, and in him you were also circumcised with the circumcision, not made without hands in the removal of the body of the, now where does this point to? We'll come back to this passage in one second. I've got to put this on the screen because I think it's important. I've said this before, I think passages should line up. I think, because again, he didn't just start writing, start deciding to make sense in the New Testament. I forget what happened in the Old Testament. No, the Old Testament and the New Testament belong together. So over here where he says this debt, where he says that, let's go back to it. He says, and in him you were also circumcised. Question guys, who was circumcised? When Paul says in him that is in Christ, you were circumcised, would I be correct if I said the you that was circumcised would be the believers, would be the Christians? Would that be correct? I think that would be correct. You, so let's pick a person. Let's say Lady T, let's say the least of these. You were circumcised in him, BJ's life. You were circumcised in him, you were in him. Where does that come from? Correct, monkey moves, correct, lovely, the believer. Where does that come from? Well, we covered this before, we covered it in Deuteronomy 30 because what does God say he's going to do? And that's how we know it's not just applying just to Israel, but he's going to do it to Israel, but he's also going to do it to non-Jews as well. Moreover, the Lord your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants. So this is where this is coming from. This is not a new issue that's brought up. Are you with me? So let's go back to Colossians 2.14, well, 2.11 in this case. He says in him, you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with him in baptism in which you were raised up with him through faith in the working of God. In other words, this is God's working doing so who raised him from the dead. When you were dead in your transgressions and the circumcision of your flesh, he did what? He made you alive together with him. So he made you alive. This is past tense, by the way, having forgiven us all our transgressions. Wait a minute, that's important. Having forgiven us all of our transgressions. All of our past transgressions, you mean? Paul, you didn't get that right. Paul, come on. You've got enough ink to where you could have figured this out, Paul. You didn't have to just skip out on some words. You meant to say, having forgiven us all of our past transgressions. Isn't that what you meant to say, Paul? Has to be. Has to be that you meant that you've forgiven us all of our past transgressions. You know, that's not what he says. Having forgiven all, in the word is panta, all of our transgressions. And this is plural, guys. So that being the case, what he says, having canceled the, having canceled, this is past tense, guys, canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us. So what was decreed against us, he canceled out that debt. God did that, which was hostile to us. And he has taken it out of the way, having what nailed to the cross. When he had disarmed the rules of authority, he made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through him. Are you with me so far? So what do we have no longer before us? We don't have a debt. That's why you can say we're justified. That's why the writer of Romans, that's why the writer of Romans. Paul can say in Romans that we are justified before him because it's God who justifies. And nothing can separate us from him. Nothing. Yeah, but you can separate yourself. Well, okay, Missy Poo, smarty pants, sir, smart out. Okay, fine. What would cause you to separate yourself? What would be the reason? What would be the impetus to cause you? See those big words I'm using y'all? I didn't use these words in high school. If you say words like impetus, folks take you more serious. What would be the impetus for a person being in Christ and then separating themselves? Would that not be the enemy? Is that not his job? Since God has given you a heart and put his spirit in you and given you the Holy Spirit, well, then it would seem that the only thing that would cause you to depart from him would be someone speaking to you, some outside force. Although John said greater is he that's in you, the Holy Spirit than he that's in the world. That would be a mistake though for John to say so and then for Paul to say so. John and Paul are heretics. We just figured that out. The apostle John and the apostle Paul must be heretics. Gotta be. They're saying stuff that ain't true. You know who says these aren't true? You know who says that ain't true? These guys right here. These guys right here through their teaching, through what they're saying, they are the ones that are saying that John and Paul and Jesus must be are heretical in their teaching and that Jesus wastes time. The Holy Spirit don't need it because I'm the one responsible for keeping myself. I know that you canceled the debt but I've got to keep adding to this payment. What you paid Jesus was a good enough down payment. It was a start. What you paid was, hey, it got the ball. It's like us going into this car dealership. I can't really afford this debt. I can't really afford this car. I make $1,000 a month but I'm gonna spend $700 on this brand new car. So what you did Jesus, you gave a down payment. Jesus, you gave a down payment but I am going to finish making the payments. How blasphemous is that? Yeah, that thumbnail is provocative in an auto beat because that's literally what people are saying. That's what you have to believe. When you drill down and think about it, I'm keeping myself and so therefore I don't need you, Jesus. I don't need you Holy Spirit. I'm the one that's gonna do it. Me, I'm the one. It's gotta be me. It's gotta be me because it's not you, Lord. It is not you. Your Holy Spirit, yeah, don't need it. I'm the one that's, I don't need what you've done. Even though your word says, and if he, matter of fact, let's go to, not just Ephesians 13, let's go to Ephesians, let's start in verse three. Chapter one, verse three, let's start there first. He said, blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ. No, he didn't, Paul, Paul, your line. No, he didn't, he did not bless us with every, I said that with three syllables, every spiritual blessing, because if he blessed us with every spiritual blessing, we would have to worry about the main spiritual blessing which is salvation. No, he just blessed us with the ability to speak in tongues and the ability to cast out demons, even though we've never seen a demon, eat the ability to healful, the ability to give 10% accurate prophecies that are vague. He blesses with those kinds of gifts. Those abilities, those spiritual blessings that he gave us with. Not the main thing, the main reason why he came, he didn't do that, but Paul says, blessed with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places just as he chose us in him before the founding. So now, and by the way, this word is Procata Belies, which is he did. So he chose us before the foundation of the world. He chose you before the foundation of the world only to lose you. I'm getting bothered the more I think about this foolishness that they believe. I'm getting more and more bothered the more I think about this stuff. It's absolute goofiness. It's what it is. Anyway, he chose us to be in him before the founding. Good English is the English order that's put here. I don't care if it's the King James version, new King James version, ESV and ESV, net Bible C, I don't care which, every version puts it in good in proper English that connotes that we are the indirect, I mean, the God is Christ is the indirect object. We are the direct object. We were the ones that were chosen in him. And the Greek bears us out as well. But we were chosen in him when, before the world was before the foundation of the world. And so what did he do in choosing us? What did he do in choosing us? Well, he chose that we would be holy and blameless. He chose us to be holy and blameless. Not that he didn't say, hey, I would like for you to be, I decide I chose before the foundation word that I would like for you to be holy. He chose us to be holy and blameless. How do we know so? In love, he predestined us. He destined us prior to the adoption, to be adopted as sons, to be adopted as sons through Jesus Christ to himself. According to the kind intentions of his will, to his will, to the praise and glory of his grace, which he freely bestowed on us in the beloved. In him, in him, we have, by the way, can I just deal with this word here? We have, ecumen, we do have, we have it, we have it. We have, it's not ecumen, it's ecumen, which means it's not a subjunctive. Not that we may have redemption, we absolutely, we definitely have, we have redemption. Meaning we have been redeemed through his blood. Are you gonna tell me his blood was that cheap that it was just for that moment? Redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, remission that he's not gonna remember our sins anymore, according to the riches of his grace, which he lavished on us in all wisdom and insight. He made known to us the mystery of his will, according to his kind intention, which he purposed in him. Now, I wanna drop down because he says in 13, in 13 he says, in him, you also, after, this is the question about the Holy Spirit. If you can, if you can lose your salvation, yeah, forget about the Holy Spirit because he's not doing this. If you can lose your salvation, the Holy Spirit isn't doing this job. Because look what he says, in him, I trust what his word says. In him, you also, after listening to the message, after hearing it, the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation, having also believed, this is the heiress active part of the episode. After having, and now this is part of the episode, it's a continual state, but it happened in the past, having believed you were what? Sealed, you were sealed. And this isn't like a sticker. So no, this is, this is, this seal is important. In him, with the Holy Spirit, who is given as a pledge. I've covered this before, this pledge that we're talking about, this Ariban is a down payment, a deposit, as a pledge of our inheritance. What is our inheritance? Ultimately, eternal life, being there with him, with a view of redemption. So we have this as our pledge until we get there. This is our, he, this is a down payment until we receive our ultimate inheritance. Now, I wanna read something to you. And then we'll go ahead and skedaddle. First of all, before I leave, let's, let's finish. I think it's, cause I don't do enough of it, at least of late, I haven't done enough of it. So let me finish reading John 637 on down. Okay, I apologize, I apologize, Christopher. I apologize. He's speaking this and I probably should have said that, all Charismatics are not, I know you're talking to someone else but still, but all Charismatics are not against one. I should have said that you're right, you're right. I apologize, Chris, forgive me. Forgive me, you're right, you're right, you are right. You are right, sir, you're right, you're right. But going back to John 6, when he says all, this is the will of him who sent me, that all that he has given me, I will lose nothing. None of them. But raise up in the last eight for this will of my father. Now let's drop, I wanna read this passage. This is actually an important passage. Let's see, no one who comes to me unless a father sent me draws him and I will raise him up in the last day. I think it's vitally important. But I wanna read this passage here, verse 47. Truly truly I say to you that he who believes has eternal life. If you believe when you have eternal life, you have it right now because this aka is present tense. So when do you have, when do you have life into the ages? When do you have eternal life? According to this passage in the English and the Greek, you have it right now. So the question is when are you saved? You are saved when you believe. You are saved when you believe. When you believe you have, according to Jesus, you have it right now. Do you think Jesus didn't think enough, have enough foresight like some of you guys have? Some of you guys who are smarter than Jesus think that Jesus should have went ahead and put you don't have it now? He should have said he who believes, if he keeps believing, will have eternal life. No, Jesus is smarter than all of us. He said what he meant. Some of us wish he would have said what I meant. Jesus, you should have said what I meant instead of saying what you meant. No, he said what he meant because he himself is God. He know, it's amazing thought to think that Jesus actually knew what he was doing. How amazing is that for us to actually give him the benefit to say that he actually knew what he was doing and what he was saying? It is immediate and eternal. That's really the whole point. How do we know so? And then we'll finish. We're almost through guys because I'm getting myself worked up. I'm not really getting myself worked up. But the writer of Hebrews brings this up and I just wish the people who keep running the Hebrews who think that they got these, aha, I got you passages. I wish they would just read the whole thing. Now, what if the writer of Hebrews would say, guys, I want y'all to get the main point of what I'm writing. I want y'all to understand what I'm saying. How cool would that be? How cool would it be if a writer says, listen, I don't want y'all to miss what I'm saying. I want you all to understand the main point. Did you know the writer of Hebrews actually makes that statement? I'm not saying you have to read into it. He literally says, this is what I'm trying to get you guys understand. The writer of Hebrews literally says, guys, take a break. And all that I said, this is the point that I'm trying to get across you. This is the point. How do I know so? Look what he says. Hebrews eight one, look what he says. Now, the main point in what has been said is this. So he's literally saying, this is the point. Titi says, I'm being snarky. I'm not, okay, yeah, I'm still snarky. I'm still snarky. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I probably moved it. Wait a second, what happened? Oh, it moved. I am a little bit snarky. But it's a godly snarkiness. It's a godly snarkiness. How about that? But he literally says, this is the main point. This is the point in what I've been trying to say guys, this is the point. You guys aren't getting it. You guys who think that in Hebrews three and Hebrews six, I'm saying you can lose salvation. No, you know it's not. Now, how do we know so? Look at what he's getting ready to say. This is the point. We have such a high priest. Remember what we have in the Old Testament. We have a high priest bringing this offering of somebody else's blood, not his own blood to make perpetuation on the altar. And then also confessing this is on the head of the scapegoat. And so we've got a better high priest. We've got a better scapegoat. We've got a better offering who has taken his seat at the right hand of the throne of the majesty in the heavens. A minister in the sanctuary and the true tabernacle which the Lord pitched not man for every high priest. Now, I want you to hear the words as being said here. Every high priest, that's not Jesus but every other high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifice. So it is necessary that the high priest also have something to offer. Now, if he were on earth, he would not be a priest at all. Since there are those who offer the gifts according to law who serves a copy in the shadow of the heavenly things just as Moses was warned by God when he was about to erect the tabernacle. For see, he says that you make all things according to the pattern. Let me drop down. He says first seven, for if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second. Let me stop there for a second. If the first covenant was fine, remember in the first covenant, the old covenant, you could be atoned for today and then someone thereafter not be atoned for. You can be in right standing today and then later not be in right standing. That was under the old. If the old was faultless, if it was perfect, we'd need to change it. Well, then the second one would never need to come. So he's speaking to these Jews about this second covenant, this new covenant. The only reason why it's coming is to make better. Well, if you can lose your salvation, then it's not made better. It's the exact same thing that we had under the old covenant. It's the exact same thing. And then Jesus didn't need to come. But he did need to come because there's something different from the old versus the new. He says, for if the first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second. For finding fault with them, he says, behold, days are coming, says the Lord, when I will affect a new covenant with the house of Israel, with the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I made with their fathers and they that took them out by hand to leave them out of the land of Egypt for they did not continue in my covenant. They did not continue in my covenant. What is he gonna do? Well, he tells us in Ezekiel and in Jeremiah, he's gonna cause us or at least them, but the same is gonna happen to us, to continue to be, to keep following him. For they did not continue in my covenant and I did not care for them, says the Lord, for this is a covenant I will make with the house of Israel. Now I wanna drop down, he says, I'm sorry, this is a covenant I will make with Israel. He says, first, right here, he says, I will put my laws into their minds and I will write them on their hearts and I will be their guide and this will be my people. Now what he would say earlier, that in doing so, I don't speak in fast, but in doing so he would cause us, cause them as well as us to walk in his teachings and he says that we will never depart from him and he will never depart from us. So we'll never depart from him, he'll never depart from us. The only other option is some outside force taking us away. That's the only other option that he won't turn away from us, we won't turn away from him. Some outside force must do it. But he's already said in John 10, he's already said in Romans 8, that nothing should separate us, nothing can take us away. And in John 8, I mean, John 10, I say Romans 8, I mean, and then in John 10, that nothing can snatch us out of his hand, nothing. Now, I wanna read this next part because I think this is vital and important because we're gonna make the statement that one time, one time, that what he did was enough and then we'll leave out of here. He said, therefore it was necessary, this is in chapter nine verse 10. Okay, therefore it was necessary for the copies of the things in heaven to be cleansed with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifice than these. In other words, a better sacrifice has been offered, which is his blood. That was the whole point of Colossians 2. For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but what did he enter into heaven himself? He entered into heaven itself, big difference. Now to appear in the presence of God for us. Why is he appearing in the presence of God on our behalf if we could lose our salvation? So he can just say, hey, I died for that guy, gave him eternal life, but I forget about him. No, that's what he's doing. Nor was it that he would offer himself, look what he says, verse 25. Nor was it that he, that's Jesus, would offer himself often as the high priest enters a holy place year by year with love. That's not his own. Otherwise, he would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world. But now, once at the consummation of ages, he has been manifested to put away sin. Jesus has been brought to put away sin, but he didn't. He was brought here to put away sin, but he didn't. That's how I can lose my salvation. Yeah, I placed my faith in him and his blood atoned for me for just that one day. So he didn't really put away sin, even though that's what you're saying he did. He didn't. Which we know that's wrong. By the sacrifice, he puts away sin by the sacrifice of himself. What did I fall off? I'm sorry, verse 27. And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after that the judgment comes. So Christ also having been offered once, it's important to bear the sins of many will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly wait. So look what he says. He's coming for those who eagerly wait, not for their deal with their sin. He's already dealt with that, but this to bring him back. Hebrews 10-1, look what it says. For the law, since it has only a shadow of good things to come and not the very form of things can never, never by the same sacrifices which they offer. Now I've got this highlighted. Can never wish they offer continually year by year. They have to make these offerings continually. Why? Because that was the state of the old. A yearly continual offering for yearly continual atonement and justification. In order to stay justified and atoned for every year, you gotta have his offering every year. Are you with me? Now he says they can never, those continual offerings, can never make perfect those who draw near. So what's the problem? They can't, the people can't be made perfect. We could not be made perfect. Otherwise, if that could make us perfect, look what he says. Would they not have ceased to be offered because of the worshipers? So if they could have been made perfect by one offering, then they would have, but they couldn't. What makes you perfect by one offering would be Jesus. Having once been cleansed, would they no longer have been conscious of sin? That's an issue. But in those sacrifices, the old constant sacrifices, there is a reminder of sin year after year. For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and ghosts to take away sins. Therefore, when he, that Jesus comes to the world, he says, sacrifices and offerings, you have not desired, but a body, you have prepared for me. So I'm gonna make this offering, this sacrifice. In holding burned arms, he says, then I said, behold, I have come in the scroll of the book. It is written in me to do your will of God. We read what he said, what Jesus said, the will of God is in John 6, that all those that were gifted to him, that were given to him, he will raise all of them, all of them, I'm not a mathematician, not an accountant, but I know what all means. And when he says I lose none, that means none, zero. After saying above, sacrifice and offerings and hold burned offerings and sacrifices for your sin, you live in that desire, nor have you taken pleasure in them because they don't do enough. You have to keep doing them. Then he said, behold, I have come, I see, ooh, I see a person I need to ask a question. I'm gonna ask you a question, R-C-U-N, hi, wow. I can't say your name. Then he said, behold, I have come to do your will. He takes away the first and orders to have a second. By this will we have, what he says, by this will we have been sanctified. When were we sanctified? We have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Christ and we've been sanctified once and for all, one time was needed, once and for all. What he says, every priest stands daily ministering and offering time after time in the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. Those sacrifices can never take away sins. I wanna think about this for a second. But having, but he having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, so what did he do? These sacrifices can never take away sins. What's the, now, here's the question, guys. In the Old Testament, under the old law, especially you, sir, I'm not sure how to say your name. I'm not sure how to say your name, but under the old, for that one year, did those sacrifices take away sins? Yes, the answer is yes. Under the old covenant, for that time, those sacrifices did take away your sins for that moment, but you had to keep repeating it. That was the problem that he's bringing up. They could never take away sins. They could take away sins temporarily, you all would agree. They could take away sins temporarily, right? Because that's what they were doing. They were taking away sins temporarily, but not permanently. They could take away sins, but Jesus, he having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, sat down at the right hand of God, waiting from that time until his enemies be made for his footstool, for by one offering he has perfected, that one offering he has perfected who? All of us who believe for all time who are sanctified. So, here's my question, sir. My question early is the same. I've been asking this question. If you could lose your salvation, what was Jesus, what did Jesus's death accomplish? That's a big question. If you can lose your salvation, what did Jesus's death accomplish? What did the Holy Spirit accomplish in you? If you can lose it, because if you can lose it, then the answer would be nothing. You're saying, how does this prove that Christians cannot lose your salvation? Maybe it doesn't. What it does prove is if you can lose your salvation, then the Holy Spirit and Jesus's death was a waste of time. That's the point. Jesus's death would be, do you think Jesus's death and the Holy Spirit is a waste of time? Because if you can lose your salvation, then there's no need for the Holy Spirit. If you can lose your salvation, then there's no need for Jesus's death on the cross. There's no need for it. But where there's nothing else owed, okay. Now we're getting somewhere. Now you're helping this live stream to be awesome. It was, I thought it was borderline awesome, it was okay, you're gonna make it awesome. Jesus's death gave everyone on the earth the ability to be saved. And if you remain in Christ, you will be destined for purification. But if you leave, then you will be damned. Okay, what is different now than then? Because prior to the cross, prior to Jesus incarnation, prior to Jesus being born and growing up, living a perfect life, dying on the cross, being resurrected on the third day, ascending to heaven, sending the Holy Spirit. Prior to that, prior to that, RCU, everyone had the ability to be saved by simply placing their faith in the atoning work of God on the day of atonement. And also there were these offerings throughout the year that you can bring. So that was already in place. What you described was already in place. The problem was it was temporary. So tell me, sir, what is different? What's different? That's the issue. What in the world is different? Because what you described was the same. So prior to Christ, prior to Christ it was this way, after Christ it was this way, well then why did Christ have to come? It was like the Tyler Perry movie. I can do bad all by myself. But before you came, before you showed up, this woman would say I was broke, miserable and had all these bad kids. When you came, I was broke miserable and had all these bad kids. You didn't need to come. You didn't need to show up. Same thing, Jesus. Before you came, Jesus, by my faith and my actions, I could be in right standing. After you came by my faith and my actions, I could be in right standing. Why in the world did you come, Jesus? Well, we know why he came. He came because you couldn't keep yourself. You could not keep yourself. That's the point. So RC, is it RCU? Tell me, what's the difference? Other than nothing, what's the difference? You are exactly what, you are in the exact same state. And did you just hear what we were reading in Hebrews? This is the point of the writer in Hebrews. The point of the writer of Hebrews is to tell these Jewish believers that you don't have to be concerned. You don't have to keep worrying. Under the old, I understand you had to atone for your sins year after year after year after year. You don't have to worry about that anymore. The difference is that all people can be saved. No, wait, no, no, no. Read your Bible, friend. Anybody, anybody, sir, anybody who placed their faith in God's atoning work. Remember, when the Jews came, that's why you, listen, you ought to be there for the Saturday morning Bible studies. When the Jews came out of Egypt. Class, who came out of Egypt with the Jews? Was it just Jews? No, there was a mass of other people. They had souljourners. They ended up becoming, a lot of them people become a rabble. Souljourners, servants or slaves, there were a lot of non-Jews. As a matter of fact, in Jesus' genealogy, there are two non-Jews, Rahab and, oh Lord, what's the other lady's name? In Ruth. So no, sir, no, sir. You said, Jesus bridged the gap for all people. Before Jesus, people died not to go to heaven. Jesus reconciled us to him and gave, what's the Holy Spirit do then? He gave us the Holy Spirit. What does the Holy Spirit do? Help us understand what does the Holy Spirit do? Certainly you would have to agree that the Holy Spirit didn't have to come and do anything. What does he do? What does the Holy Spirit do in you? See, that's the bigger issue. All these folks that believe that you can lose your salvation, they've never lost theirs. They keep theirs. The Holy Spirit, it's like Darth Vader and Luke. The force is stronger than this one. The Holy Spirit is stronger than this person. Holy Spirit is stronger than you, so that's why you haven't lost it. But everyone else, their Holy Spirit is weak. What does the Holy Spirit do in you? Greater is he that's in you than he does in the world and he's standing for a reason. Now went to him who was able to keep you from stumbling, but he doesn't. What does your Holy Spirit do? According to the scriptures, the Holy Spirit is a down payment, a deposit until we get there. So in other words, he ain't leaving. He's this place is sealed on us by the Holy Spirit. And as a down payment, we are secure. That's the big difference between the old and the new. That's the big difference between pre-Christ and post-Christ. This is why I love the fact that you're answering. I appreciate it. The Holy Spirit guides us in our spiritual life. No, he doesn't. No, not according to you. He can't because if he guiding us, why do people keep believing? He guides us in spiritual life. He gives us the ability to do good if we choose. Didn't we already have the ability to do good and choose? He does not force us, Corey. That's what you were missing. Give me a passage that says he does not force us. I will shut this channel down if you give me one passage that says the Holy Spirit does, I'm not saying he does or doesn't, but you make the statement, he does not force us. Give me the passage. I'll give you one that says, seems to say he does. How about this? Go back to Ezekiel 36. He says, I will put my spirit within you and cause you to walk. This word cause is to make, to do. Is that pretty forceful? Is that pretty forceful, sir? So give me the passage that says the Holy Spirit does not. Stop quoting what the Holy Spirit is a gentleman. Where do you get that from? Tell me where, tell me where that's written. You won't be able to tell me. He says that the Holy Spirit will cause us to. So what does the Holy Spirit do? By the way, you're born again or you're not what caused you to be born again. You know, God does. Peter said, we read the passage, 1 Peter 1, 3. He has caused us to be born again. So tell me what does the Holy Spirit do in you? Let's go back to what you said. You said, I wanna remember that. I don't wanna misspeak about what you said. You said the Holy Spirit guides us in our spiritual life. What does that mean? He guides us to do what? He gives us the ability to do good. Okay, so no one had the ability to do good before Jesus. If we so choose, but didn't he choose us before we chose him? I understand. He does not force us, Corey. Again, I would love to see the passage that you base that off of. I know it's gonna take a minute for you to find the passage. It's gonna take a good minute for you to find that passage. But what you just said was just conjecture, thoughts, someone else saying it. The drawing of the Holy Spirit caused me to be saved. Huh? Couldn't be. No, you did it. Caused me to be saved, but I had to cooperate with his drawing and accept it. Where do you get that passage from? You had to cooperate with the Holy Spirit in order to be with his drawing and accept it. If I rejected it, then I would have been left in my sin. Hmm, can you give us a passage, sir? Can you give us a, what you're doing is you're parsing, you're putting, I'm not parsing, you're putting together some pieces of what the Bible says here, here and here and coming up with a doctrine. That's just not found in the scripture. So he drew you just so you can have the opportunity. Let's go back to our good friend, John. And let's see what Jesus, Jesus, I think Jesus is an authority on this. Would you agree? He says, no one can come to me unless the father who sent me draws him. Now he just got to talk about who's the one that's coming. The one that's coming are the ones that he gave them. All the ones that the father gave him. Here's my question, sir. Who gave you to Christ? Who gave you to Christ? It'd be interesting to figure that out, huh? Who gave you to Christ? Oh, by the way, the one that gave you says that, sure, I'll give you some scripture, give me a minute. Okay, I'll give you time. Whoever gave you to Christ, whoever gave you to Christ, Jesus makes the statement that Jesus makes the statement that he won't lose any of you. All the ones that were given. Now he says, no one can come to me unless the father draws him and I will raise him up in the last day. So he's clear that the ones that come to him that were drawn to him, he will raise them up in the last day. I think that's pretty interesting. I think that's pretty convincing. Corey, you're just spouting off these Calvinistic talking points. I'm not a Calvinist. So I'm not spouting Calvinistic talking points. I'm spouting off the Bible. I literally just read the Bible. So would you agree that it was the Holy Spirit that played a part in you being drawn to him, as you said? Wouldn't you, since he's the one that regenerates your heart, since he's the one that caused you to be born again, wasn't that drawing that, by the way, remember this faith that we have, not just salvation, but that faith also, it also is a gift. So, sir, let's just give, why not, why not give God credit for what he's done? It would be like, and I love my baby girl, all kids do this. Anybody got any kids? Anybody, especially if you get, first of all, if you got any little kids, if you got any kids that, I don't know, that are ages 21 and under, if you got any kids that are ages 21 and under, they will swear that you weren't paying for anything in the house. They will swear up and down, now they won't say it, but they kind of act that way, that you ain't paying for their food, their clothing, you didn't know, no, they don't, and that's what's just fine, you accept it. You understand that kids don't give the parents the credit that is due. I didn't, I didn't. I would go to my father with a hand, kids over 50, I would really, hey man, Sarah, I would go to my kid, wow, wait a second, you got kids over 50, I just be honest, I'm just gonna be honest with you, tell the truth, shame on the devil. Sarah, you're not a spring chicken anymore. I'm kidding, I'm kidding. I'm not really kidding because you're not a spring chicken anymore, but God bless you, sister, God bless you. Would you sing yourself? You just as old and blessed as you can be. I'm messing with you. I wanna be your age, and I will be, I'll be 128 when I leave. That's my prayer, I'm kidding. But I would act as though my father wasn't paying, I would come in expecting something, like, you know, like you hadn't given me anything, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. The clothes you got on, I'd pay for those, the air conditioning, the heat, the water to come out that, that water to come out that faucet, that ain't free. The bed that you sleep on, this roof, I didn't build it, but I paid for it, right? We do the same thing to God. We do the same thing to God to act like, you didn't build this God, I'm keeping this, I'm maintaining. Sarah said, you all right. I'm maintaining my salvation, not you, or as you just said, as you just, think about what you just said, brother. You said, I'm working in concert with them. We're doing this together. As I got older, I recognized that growing up, we wouldn't, my daddy was doing the carrying. My daddy was, my mom and my mother and father, they were doing the carrying. I got a grandson, he might as well be saying what you just said. I'm feeding myself, I'm changing my own diaper. Well, I'm swaddling when, yeah, mama, listen, mama, I know I'm 10 months old, but when I put the bottle in my mouth, yeah, I know you, but I'm swaddling it, I'm drinking it, I'm working with you. I know when you're changing me, when you're changing my diaper, we're working together. I mean, I pooped, you couldn't clean, you couldn't clean my diaper if I didn't poop. So we did this together. I know you're cleaning my mess up, but we worked together on this. That's what you're doing. You're taking credit where you have not, where you have not earned the credit. Just hold on, this is Hebrews 2-1. Okay, let's go there. Hebrews 2-1, Hebrews 2-1, are you saying? Go ahead, man, are you saying, wait a second, are you? Okay, I wish, next time, put the numbers instead of, Hebrews, you said Hebrews 12 through 14. You mean the entire chapter 12 through 14? I'm not, okay, you said Hebrews 4-11. Let's go to Hebrews 4-11. I think I can understand that one, because excuse me, the first one is not it, 2-1, it's not it. So maybe you should, so let's go to 4-11. Therefore, let us be diligent to enter that rest so that no one will fall through following the same examples of disobedience. So you're saying that you're doing this. Now, let me just be clear, my friend. After you have been saved, you walk. You don't walk or stay safe. That's why when we look at, work out your, people read that passage, work out your own salvation, it says in light of you, in view of your salvation, there's the word order, in view of salvation, then work. That's literally how it has to be translated, but this indicates that believers can choose to do evil and lose it. Wait a second, this is not. I see, you see that this right here so that no one will fall through following the same examples of disobedience. So you're saying that you think there's someone falling from salvation. Therefore, let us be diligent to enter that rest so that no one will fall through the following of the same examples of disobedience. Now, question. Now I'll keep asking this question. If the Holy Spirit is working in, let's say, let's assume this is talking about someone losing their salvation. What did he just say in 8-1? This is the point of everything that I said. And he goes and tells us that our salvation is secure. So he's never gonna, he's not telling the writers, he's not telling us that you can lose it. Oh, by the way, if you can lose it, doesn't that same writer in 6-4 say that, chapter six said that it's impossible to get it back? Yeah, you said Hebrew 6, 11 through 12. That's going to Hebrew 6. And we desire that each one of you show the same diligence so as to realize the full assurance of hope until the end so that you will not be sluggish but imitators of those who through faith and patience inherit the promise. It doesn't say that you lose your salvation though. You just don't want, I want, let's read it again. And we desire that each one of you, excuse me, show the same diligence. Show the same diligence, the same zeal, the same pursuit so to realize the full assurance of hope until the end so that you will not be sluggish but imitators of those who through faith and patience inherit the promise. So it didn't say that you will lose it. I want you to be like those. Now, understand what, oops, I'm sorry. Understand what the book is written for. I think this is important. I think it's vitally important that we understand what Hebrews is written for. Sir, this is important. Hebrews is written to Jewish believers. These are believers who are concerned about their walk and about, again, what does the law require? What do these Jews know? These Jews believe, Jews believe that they have to atone for their sins every year. That's what the writer's talking about. It does say that you can give it back but that does not prove that you can't ever lose salvation. It just proves that you can't, it's proof that you just can't get it back if you, so do you believe that you can't if you lose it, you can get it back? Now, again, we've got a problem. If Jesus says that you won't lose it, if Jesus says that it's impossible for you to lose it, and I won't cover all of that again and what have you, but fine, fine, you can lose it. You can lose it. You can lose your salvation. And Jesus' time on the cross was worthless. Jesus' blood was worthless, the Holy Spirit was worthless because you can lose it. Because he won, he's not keeping his promises. Even though he says that by grace you have been saved, that we were dead in our transgressions. He has made us alive with Christ. By grace you have been saved. And that not of yourself is a gift of God, which we said before what that refers to. What is this right here? In hope, in Romans 8, we have been saved, but according to you, we have not been saved. And by the way, these are perfect tenses, but hope that is seen is not hope for who hopes for what he already sees. So we haven't been saved. No, we are needing, we have to yet be saved. And since we have to yet be saved, according to you, we have to keep saving ourselves or work at a concert, as you say. The Holy Spirit, sir, keeps us. Anyone that will say what's happening is, I think maybe some people are actually trampling underfoot the blood of God. No, I don't see it that Jesus, no, no, you misunderstood, sir. That's how you see it, that Jesus' sacrifice is worthless just because he doesn't force us to be saved. The gift giver doesn't have to force the receiver to accept the gift to get credit. If he says he would, remember, he says that he will cause you to walk in his teaching and that you will never depart. He will cause you to walk and you will never depart. That's literally what he said. That's literally what he says, cause you, you can say force, fine. I have no problem with that either. He makes you, I have no problem with that. Where does it say that the Holy Spirit is ineffective in our life, that he doesn't make us do anything? Where does it say that at? Now, does that mean that there's nothing that we do also? There are things that we do. Yeah, there are things we do. And what will happen as a result of it is that we will have to suffer consequences, but the issue is, and I said before in the very beginning, that the two big issues are our sin and our heart. So what does God say he will do? He will fix our heart and then cause us to move away from the sin. And the main point is, sir, the debt has been canceled. If the debt is canceled, what do you owe? So you won't see that. You won't see that. You think that there's something special about you and you're working, but it's something that you're doing to keep yourself. That's fine. I pray that you keep doing it. I pray that you keep doing what you're doing. I pray that whatever you do that you're doing to stay safe, whatever you did to get you safe, whatever did to make you so super safe that you keep doing it. I pray you do it. I pray you could just tell, listen, the Holy Spirit can go home, you don't need them. You just keep doing what you're doing. And matter of fact, write a book about it. Write a book about it and tell us how you did what no one else has ever done, how you have kept yourself safe. Thank you, Jordan. I says the whole chapter of Luke 15 supports always saved. So anyway, guys, that's my take on it. Again, if you can lose your salvation, which you could do before the cross, if you can do it after the cross, what's the point of God ever sending his son? None. So guys, your theology teaches that only select arbitrary people will receive salvation and you're saying my interpretation is somehow saying, I'm special. Yeah. Yeah. Do I not pull out pastors that says that he chose? And who did he say he chose? So you can't get around it. You don't like it because yeah, you think you're special and I'm not trying to be mean, but you think you're special if you're the ones that kind of made yourself be especially in God's eyes. God did no one chooses him. He literally says no one chooses him, but then you say no, except for me. And then other folks were there, I chose you too. I chose you too. I chose you too. But it's clear that he chose us before we chose him. He loved us before we loved him, but hey, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong. But if I'm right, if I'm right now, and you think about this, if I'm right because again, as I said before, we can't find anybody in the Bible who was chosen by God who lost her salvation. You couldn't name one person. You can speculate, well, what about this guy? Well, we, yeah. So anyway, for the rest of you guys and you as well, sir, thank you guys. I'm so grateful that God actually did not waste his blood. I'm so grateful that the Holy Spirit is working in us to preserve us, to present us. We are being, those of us who have been sanctified in the past, he says that we are being perfected and will be presented before him. He says that Jesus says that I, Jesus will not lose any one, not one. I take him at his word. Why others don't, I don't know. I think that is the arrogance of people to act as though you have done something for yourself. You were saved, you weren't saving yourself. It would be grammatically incorrect to say whether it be in English, Greek, Hebrew, any other language to say that I was saved, but I participated in it, no. And so guys, I want us to really start thinking about what it is that we're really saying. What's the actual implication in what we're saying? Amen.