 Thanks for joining us. We've already called ourselves to order. We have to get on a big stage. Right, we forgot to do that. Make a motion to exit the discussion. All in favor, please say aye. And the board went in, because you guys weren't here, we went in to discuss personnel matters, and we have nothing to report. We took no action, and we aren't taking no action. We have nothing to report. Is there a public comment for items not on the agenda? I guess that might be me. OK, join us, Nana. I'm here because we recently discovered that not all the town hall shutters were paint. And John, McCullough, and Andy were going to put them up. This is so much. David has been in touch with Brady. They are painting the outside of the building and painted these shutters that are done. At least the ones that are painted. Someone was in the back. Some are, some are not. These are. Right, yeah. And it was just left. I'm done, so they need to be finished. And the reason we're here tonight is that grading can do them this month. But if it doesn't do them this month, it would be December. So, and there's a cost, of course. So I guess the choice is, does the select order decide to do it this month and figure out how to pay for them or wait until December when he would take them to a shop, right? Wouldn't they be paid for out of the town hall fund? Well, we don't know if he was already paying. Well, I guess that's one of the questions you asked. And I know we got paid in full, but we would have to go back and look at the invoices to see if the estimate included all of the shutters. I can probably find the grading contract, whether the original contract included all of the shutters and if they did, and they didn't get painted. But you said you may mention of an incident where he was told to not paint them. So maybe he feels like he did what he was going to paint. Well, his original call was just for the outside of the building that specifically said not the shutters. Now, the shutters, I don't think I was involved with the shutters. So I don't know. He was told to stop painting the shutters. So it's because of the addition. Well, so that, but that doesn't show because of the person who was managing that project, which I think I, you know, I don't have to say yes. But that doesn't change the basic fact that he provided a quote for X number of shutters. He has invoiced us. And all we have to do is pair up what he invoices for. I think, yeah. And did we pay him? That's the question is, did the original contract include the shutters? And if it didn't and he got painted full, even, and he's going to probably argue that, well, somebody told me to stop. Well, David's actually been in touch with Brady because he was doing an estimate for painting upstairs. So David was in touch with them on behalf of France. Right. And I think it was like $47.50. But we just don't have all the facts right now. No, but how? And but either way, even the way they need to be done. So if we haven't paid for all of them, then we'll. Then what do we do? We can take it out of the town hall. Then we take it out of the town hall. If we still owe him money because we didn't pay him for everything, then he didn't do everything. Or is it? Yeah, yeah. Well, I think there's $6,000 in the reserve fund. The budget. Right. And I figured it out, even if it was $450 a shedder times $12, that's $47.50. $4,000 is another $50, right? Is it $6,000? Is it $12 remaining? Well, if every shedder was $350, it would be like $6,600. I remember he treated us pretty well, Brady did. What do we want to know? $312 at $350 is $4,200. OK, so I think I hear we need to go back and look at the contract and the invoices. We'll learn the time. That's what I want to get to myself. In other words, can we warrant it first? So he needs to help. Later on, basically, he meant, as I said, to give us an estimate for upstairs. By then, this had been discovered. And so I said to him, what do you think? Can you also give us an estimate about finishing the shedder? He understood. He said that there was no way he could do anything painting before December. Upstairs. And right, but I made an urgent plea to him for just the shutters to be considered independent of upstairs or anything else. And he came back a few days later with this proposal that actually painting them out in the parking lot in the heat of summer would be much better, considering they have to be bleached because of mold contaminations that occurred while they were in storage for so long in the storage container. So they are now mold. Yeah, they have to be bleached. They have to be painted with primer. And then they have to be two full coats of durable paint. And he wants them to fully dry in the open air environment of late August. So he has a window of opportunity before he jumps on other clients that are going to take him until December, apparently, to do this out in the parking lot for two or three days. He estimates he can do this. David, the question is, if we warn this to, let's say we discover, well, no. That's either we owe money for it or not. And if we do, and we need to warn it, the soonest we can warn it for is when it's too late. Well, hang on. It happens coincidentally that we have a special meeting Wednesday and Thursday. So we can add authorization for Grady to move forward and paint, to do all the things. And I think that's just the thing, right? We just make the motion, authorize the painting to happen. And we all understand it will be documented in the minutes. And we can say it again when we approve that we are figuring out whether perhaps we've already paid for them or not. That's just facts that we need to research. So Wednesday night, right? So we could put it on the Wednesday. We could put it on our special meeting. We have one other thing we have to do that night. So it'll be Wednesday this week. Yeah, it'll be, I think it's 7.30 or something like that. 6. No, it'll be. So we have another thing. Right, we have an executive session. Yeah, I guess we'll do it after. So we have an executive session at 6.00. But we will probably 7.30, 7 o'clock, if you guys want to come back. And maybe at that point we'll find this original end of ice on Friday. I have a lot of stuff at home that I can see him. But tomorrow's the election. You're going to be. Right, I'm not going to have time to look at this. I mean, if you're OK with this, I can go back to grading himself and find out. Oh, good. That's good. Right, if you have a copy. You're right. Exactly. You should. Yeah. Yeah. That would be helpful later. Sure. Considering that he's able to do it now, and that means we can't wait for two more weeks to authorize it, I feel like we're OK with we know there's a question. We understand what the question is. We understand how we're going to answer it. That doesn't need to stop us from approving them to move forward while that information is outstanding. Yeah, so we're going to do it. That would be great. And maybe you'll have some more information with us tonight. OK, so thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. Great. And thank you. Is anybody, we exhausted our public comment time. But is anybody here for a public comment item? An item's not on the agenda. OK. OK, are there any additions and changes to the agenda team? Do we send it out of the agenda? No. Do we send the agenda? No, no. No, no, no, on the agenda overall. The warrants are in circulation. Right. Consent agenda, yes. We are Denise and I talked earlier. We've had a chance to review some pieces of the outstanding minutes, but we are not finished. So I'm going to pull the resets of minutes off. And that leaves reappointing Sandra Fervor as delinquent tax collector remaining. So the consent agenda. On the consent agenda. I'll move the agenda. We'll move it, but we're taking the limits. Yeah. Yeah. Second. OK, so we've moved the consent agenda on the single item of reappointing Sandra Fervor delinquent tax collector. And we've made the motion on John's side. Lisa's going to do the minutes from the orca recording, because she had someplace she had to be to me. Yep, that works. So everybody knows. Yep. OK, so moved and seconded. Any questions, discussion? We're enormously grateful. There's our phone call. There's David. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. I'm feeling early, so we're going to have to move things. Yep. Patient then first. Right. Is John coming? Hi, David. Are you there? So we can just. You just move. Yes, this is me. Good, OK. Hi, David. Hi, David. Does anybody mind if we flip the roads report on the ARPA request and the ARPA process? Are we OK with these two of those items around, guys? So we would do the architect first, and then do the whole roads road thing. Yeah, that's fine. So David, we just shuffle our agenda item so that we can move straight to the central ARPA request for $200,000. So folks in Orca Land know, this is David Healy, who used to call us to wrap up on the ARPA, CD5 report. Yeah, this is David Healy. And he's calling it. CD5, we're wrapped from time to time. Thank you, David. Is David going to speak to this? Or is John Denise going to speak to it? Well, I guess, I mean, for me, David has sent us information, which we all have. It's in the Google fold where everybody's received it. There's a time factor involved, because if we are going to give CD5 or the requested amount of $200,000 from our architect, he's going to leave us a lot of money, we have to do it sooner rather than later because there's a matching fund that would come from the state of an initial $200,000. And they have to have a time due process and request the check. They have to have time because you're having a board meeting or something, right, David? Correct, yeah. We have the next coming board meeting after you can do this. It's probably September 12th, which is two days before the debate. So for those who couldn't hear, the CD5er board has a meeting on September 12th. So the main thing tonight is to see if the board wants to approve $200,000 out of our ARPA funds to be granted to CD5er so they can receive the match. My recommendation is that we do that. We still have $279,000 of ARPA funds. So after we get done with this. Which are federal monies that are granted each of the towns. And then there's a formal area that they use to figure out what proportion each town should receive. And our understanding is this is ARPA funding eligible, this project, which is to build the fiber-optic lines, the main lines of CD5er network that you're building out in our area. Calis is first on the list for very unfortunate because there are a number of towns that are members. And I think it's showing a good faith because the cost to build out Calis is like $3 million. So our appropriating $200,000 is a one-to-one match. And our appropriating $200,000 would allow CD5er to be awarded against that $200,000, yet another $200,000 of federal monies toward the project. And I think it's good faith. And also, I think it wouldn't look good if we came up short walk of the towns. Other towns. They requested them out. Other towns in the CD5er District are doing this very same thing. We had a David, I don't remember how many weeks ago you were here and you gave us a comprehensive, and again, I'm really saying this for anyone who happens to be looking at it, but a comprehensive overview of the project and timeline and who would be affected, which is pretty much everybody in Calis. So I think you've really done a great job of keeping us educated on this project. So thank you for that. Is there anything you want to add or any other questions from folks on the board? Mark, Rick? Well, I just want to mean that I hope that you can approve this. And the things that I'd like the town to take on in the next couple weeks is bring out the proposal that I made about how the money would be spent is good enough for you and that you could do that. Send in an agreement letter, and then if you need to have your lawyer, I would suggest having a lawyer we use the agreement. Yeah, we are. It's good. We have, our attorney has looked at it and sent us back a few revisions that the board hasn't had a chance to look at it yet. I would recommend that we go forward with the letter that you suggested, and I'm happy to put it on letterhead and because we're meeting Wednesday and Thursday, again this week, we could sign the letter. I'd be glad to. And then do the, I think it's an MOU, right, David? It's an agreement. Yeah. It's an MOU. It's an MOU. Joe had some, I think they weren't big changes. I did read it. Okay, so whatever you wanted to create. Is there a motion tonight? So moved. On the 200,000. This is the second. Mark has made the motion. And I'll speak to it. I'm really impressed that we have now a total of six applications for possible applications for these funds. And we've discussed criteria, and I feel like we've known from the start, and we've continually agreed that this 200,000 more than meets the criteria. That any, and so I feel very comfortable. Any criteria that we might come up with. Right. That we haven't come up with. And so I feel very comfortable advancing this 200,000. I don't think we're in any way kind of jumping the gun. I think it's really made sense to try and support the motion I made. 279,000, $279,000 remaining requests. We've received so far don't come anywhere near that amount. But after we get done with this, I have some more thoughts on that. So we're, okay. No, yeah, two, yes. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. And then Denise, we're gonna follow up. Are we adding more items to the special meeting? The Wednesday? Well, I think I'd like to see us make a motion tonight to approve the letter. I'll put it on letterhead and bring it to the meeting Wednesday night. And that substantiates, all that's doing is substantiating the $200,000. Right. I'm asking because we didn't separately warn the item, but it doesn't feel like a separate thing. It's not separate. It's not separate. It's part of this whole package. All of you that we agree that we are signing the MOU that implements the $200,000, which we just. Right. Denise basically says, on August 8th, select board by unanimous vote committed $200,000 of funds. Mr. Reader said? I'll say it. And we'll sign it on Wednesday. I'll sign it on Wednesday. I'll put it, it's short. So you won't be there to sign, John, but. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Okay. And Denise, we're now going on to the, do you want to, while we're on it, let's go on to the next item. I just want to say, I just want to say that I really appreciate the contribution and it really means a lot to the government to me. Thank you. No, thank you. Thank you, David. Well, thank you. And yeah, David, you're welcome to stay on. We're going to continue to talk about ARPA from a different angle. Yeah. I mean, we talked, I've been updating the board on and off about a process. We don't want to do this in the back. We don't want to public it. I'm going to find out because it's really hard to hear. Okay, okay. Take care. Take care. Bye. We talked about, we talked about a survey, some kind of criteria for evaluating the requests. And here's a new piece that I recently learned that some towns are going to take and put a request on their March meeting warnings. Because it's sort of like when we vote on all of the other funds that, you know, for Twin Valley Senior Center and the food shell and not the library, never mind the library. But all those requests like that, that the voters have an opportunity to change the amounts. And if we really want public process, we can still do an informational meeting. Right. But have it be part of the March warning. Do we have that long? Yeah. Would we want to have, we haven't had a committee in a little while, but a little while, several years, right? Would we want to do that and have a, I mean, right now we don't have so many requests that we have to think about that. Right. I mean, the requests aren't overwhelming. Donna, I think you suggested using our money for the shutters, right? For what? Did you suggest in your email to use our money for the shutters? Or is that something else? Possibly. I think some of us would like to move the offer when they're going to this building. Right. For stuff upstairs, the friends have submitted a request for some work to be done upstairs, some with some more renovations. Right. And there was one. So to be clear on my point, Denise, I'm not suggesting a committee in lieu of a town meeting. Only that we have, if we got to a point where there were competing requests. Yeah, then that would help. But I think right now, we're not there. I don't know how much we're looking at. We're obviously going to have to have an estimate of for the work that we want done upstairs. And we would add it to all the other requests that could be put on the ballot. So, yes, morning. So let's, Donna, if you want to ask a question, just maybe come forward or stand up. I just want to know if you mean a committee, like we used to have a committee that resumed all the requests from the surrounding office. Is that kind of what you're thinking of? Yeah, yeah, so that was a thought that drifted through my head. That might be a good idea. But we're not there yet. Yeah, we don't have that many requests yet. We don't have that many yet. And you want to make it so that the committee probably shouldn't be people that are requesting money. Well, absolutely, right? But we could charge a committee with articulating criteria. If we get to a point, I mean, and it's, what are we, in July? No, we're not on this, still. So, yeah, so we got a bit. We got it, we got it. Is there a time? I don't think, I'm not sure how to handle this. I don't think there's a problem delaying from the point of view of one of the applicants of whom I can't talk as a member of the board. But do you know the senior center? Any, anybody who like needs the money before? Well, I'm sure people would like the money before then. East Calis-Spire District is here. And I know, you guys requested what was it? 30,000? Did they have a project that's to be made that needs to be paid for? Yes. When does that project need to be paid for? Rainey or Karen? What are you, what are you, what are you just a, a project to be undertaken? Okay, maybe next. Yeah, next year's construction season. Next year's construction. So we have time. See you in time. So that's good. The, some of the other requests are first one, Dan, once 30. East Calis-Spire District is 30. Twin Valley Senior Center, they request to like 18 something rather. Town Hall, I've been wanting a generator here for ever because it's one of our emergency facilities. And Jeremy's got since records to do. But I think overall, most of the requests can wait and let's put it to the go to put them aside. So it's their tax valve. Yeah, so that gives us what I, what I like about that idea. And this is not, this is not something that we need to vote on even tonight. We're just here. No, we're just discussing it. React to the idea. But I like it. It creates, we've been wondering like, what is the right process? And should we have a, you know, a public meeting? Should we do a survey? And if we are really clear in the minutes that we are putting final decisions off for the voters into March, so far we don't have enough, we don't have so many requests that there's even competition for the funds. If there were, we would have to come up with criteria and some process for sifting through recommendations. That gives everybody a little time to breathe. Right. And the money, like I said, the money doesn't have to be spent right now. And it was sometimes, and I think they're regretting it now, just spent it all, right away. And now they're like, oh. Now our money? Now, I wish we were to wait it because now this has come forward. And we may have, you know, as this year plays out, we may have more ideas for spending some of the money. When the sheets suggested some handrails at the various ponds for people to use, because she said she's getting old, but I don't believe that. So there's some things like that, you know, that have come forward, and that's gonna be, you know, a couple thousand maybe to put in the handrails. But anything that we have, we would want to have- Speed control. A quote, right. Speed control? Yeah. So you're okay. But we're gonna have to have a quote for whatever gets- Yeah. So what it done upstairs. We know. Okay. So yeah, so- So I think- So I think it's kind of like- Yeah, Fran. Certainly everybody's saying yeah. Okay. Yeah. So this juncture adding up the current set of requests that remain, that there's still some, there's a lot ahead of them. And so there may be some other things. We've got 63, even the same- We might want to have like 78. Right. We might have some ideas of things that we want to know. I think infrastructure is really important. Yeah. You know, we, I think we still should go to some level, even the soft ranking, I think infrastructure like, the CB fiber project. For me, Thanks. Critical infrastructure in this day and age. Well- Speed controls or whatever else comes up. I mean, we're still under 100. All the stuff that- We're still under, even with the requests we have and the few that recently got mentioned, I think we're still under 100,000. Okay. And this also might give us an opportunity to say, you know, some of these projects that people have requested money for, maybe the select board will say, look, this is really, really important. And maybe we would consider more. More. Right. Right. Okay. Yeah. We could go on and on, but- Okay, great. At the end, let's not. Yep. Thank you. All right. So I got a question. So in terms of its deadlines to spend money, and I remember some years ago, there was that other grant money we got from the feds, and it had not only did we have to commit to spending it on grant eligible projects, but the projects would be completed. And so I think that's important to note too, you know, if you're looking at bigger projects or, you know, we need to have, and we should, if we should have a backup list in the event that something doesn't happen and we also get approved by the voters or something screws up a contract or something happens to them or they can't get supplies and there's a completion deadline, then we should have a backup thing that we can just throw the money into. Well, that makes me think of a question that I can ask Bonnie at CBRPC, is if we have money left over, can we create a reserve fund or put it in an existing reserve fund? Yeah. Same thing. Yeah, that would be great. Okay, I'll ask her that question. Okay, we're ready to circle back now to the roads report. So this is an item earlier in the agenda, but we've covered the ARPA items ahead. So, yeah, Rick, why don't you go ahead and speak to it in the right way? Yeah, the big thing on the... I've got the RISI. Good, that's good. Yeah, that's good. The big thing on the agenda for that is the Moscow Woods Boils, the five Boils sites that they're gonna be repairing. So there, he's just now trying to organize the efforts, trying to organize the staging for that. Hang on, Rick, just so I'm sure you're speaking now on the right way application. No, we're talking about roads report. You're on roads report. This is, yeah, this is the clay boils. The clay boils on Moscow Woods, they're five of them, where we have mud holes, basically, and they're being repaired. So this work is going to commence right around the 15th. It'll probably take up to a month, probably won't take a month, probably between two and three weeks. He's starting with the first two, which are below, or between 14 and Ledge Road, and it'll work his way up the road. And we're going, it's probably tomorrow. I'm actually gonna put a post on Front Porch Form tomorrow night, warning about this. As soon as Alfred has the material staged and knows that starting date, I'll put that on Front Porch Form. I'll put it on my website, on our website. We'll make sure that we get it on the town website as well. Right. And then we'll just update it as it's gonna be a moving. Well, look, Alfred, you're just gonna close the road, right? It will close in one direction. Oh, okay. Yeah, so basically there'll be sections, you know, a segment where they'll work. They'll be working a boil at a time, so. So like they'll probably divert traffic onto Jack Hill. Right, you're instead of going down the ledge road people, instead of going to 14, they're gonna have to go back to Lightning Ridge. I think the answer is no. I mean, they're gonna get Front Porch Form. No direct notification to the. I don't know if Alfred. Alfred says he does that. He usually does with roads like that. So probably people have impacted, but I think we'll, I'll ask him that. I mean, it could be a lot. It could be a lot, yeah, that's kind of what I'm thinking, is I'm much sure. I don't know, and yeah. And if he has to knock on everybody's door. I think it's not, it's going to be a little bit of an inconvenience. It's not like they're being locked in their house. It's they're gonna have to divert around. So people can get in. We should also let the fire departments know. Yeah, that's a good idea. When you do your Front Porch Form thing, we can send it to, I can send it to Chance and to. Yeah, I see. Larry Brown. Or Toby or, yeah, that's good. Tony, Larry and Toby. I'm sure. And I can send it to Chance. Who else should know? Obviously the town office should know. And they're gonna know when they see the Front Porch Form posting, but we should just give them the courtesy of letting them know ahead of time. Yeah. I'm sorry, say that again. I'm just kidding. Okay, so we should notify the two fire departments. Yeah, I'm getting that too. We should notify as a courtesy, let this town office staff know. And I would post it on Front Porch Form at least a couple of times, because not everybody gets it at the same time. If you send me the notice, I can send it to Jamie for posting on the town's website. Is that, and you said it's starting next week. It's around the 15th. He's, it depends on how fast he can get the material. It's not your Monday. Yeah, he should know in the next few days. Since I have that, I was actually gonna put this out tomorrow saying it's going to be on and around the 15th for the ensuing three weeks or so. So, and then I'll update it as I get information I'll put it right on. I'm gonna give you weeks to discuss this. Right, he's trying to get it done. We don't want it so that it messes up the bus routes. We're trying to do that. Right. That's my goal. Okay, so he's on that, he's. I'm sorry to say. Okay. Because if, yeah, if it's not going to get done if the weather turns bad, then we shouldn't. I'm gonna say possibly. You should like cat, cat fair and all. Actually. Or the supervisory union. The supervisory union, yep. I'm trying to think what else? It's not like it's heating season so there won't be a lot of oil trucks come in to fill up people's oil. Well, they'll be markers. Right. So it's not, they're. So we can only, we can only do so much. Yeah, since the season, you know, there's detours. At least it's not gonna be detoured at the same time or doing stuff in Route 14 in East Calus. This is true, although by chance. Right. Right. Yeah, so everybody will be pretty pissed because they have to go through the bad, and that's not being. Yeah. Right. Well. Top is prior. They'll be happy when they're on course. They'll be happy when they're on course. Yeah. That's, that's, that's right. What else for? That's the main important thing right now. So. Okay. Yeah. And so that's it. Are we ready to move on to the right of way? To the right of way. And then just, we have down this memo for the road crew. Right. Let's go. Got a standard. Right of way. Rick, did you connect with Alfred on his recommendation on this, John Roe C., is it easy? Yeah. I couldn't, I couldn't get him to, I caught him this morning. I did, I forgot to talk about this with him, but I'm pretty psych. It says this is the driveway. Work in the highway right of way. Other, he says driveway. Accept it to be, what is that, corded? Copy. Oh wait, recorded. No, that can't say, that's not, it can't be, Accept it to be corded under row. That must be, hook up, hook up. It's corded. I don't know. Rick. I've never heard that term, so I'm not sure what he's doing. He looks like it's corded. Usually what Alfred says is, they can do the work under the road, they have to dig down so many feet, if they go down, then they have to replace the gravel, with new gravel. Compact, everything's gotta be compacted. Yeah, properly. Do we want to, I mean this, we, I don't believe that we've heard from the property. This is, this is. He's out of town. Yeah, so, so can this, I don't know when they wanna do the work. Yeah, but, can this wait? Yeah, can this wait, Alfred's out of town? No, John Reese, John Reese, he lives out of town. Oh, he lives out of town, but we haven't heard from him. I guess I'd wanna hear from Alfred. Yeah, I definitely would. I don't think it matters if we hear from them. I mean, we haven't heard from him that there's an urgency. Right, no, we haven't. We have not heard from the landlord that there was an urgency, I would want to hear from Alfred. I would say we defer on this, yeah. So, we're gonna, this is able to, I think this project is, John, you know, he owns the, The mill. The mill, he'd like to do things with the mill, and he purchased the house across the street, running it out, and he did that in part so that he could access the, maybe, this septic, so that could do something. Well, I think we just need Alfred, who probably knows the story. He's just gotta bless this for, And the timing needs to be coordinated. Right. Right. Right. Okay. So, I think we should continue. Yeah. So, just so we know, we have a major project, a major drainage project. Right. We need to be talking about work, so that needs to be, beyond that, we want those of the engineers who design it. Oh, that's the East Calis stormwater project. Yeah. Right? Yeah. I don't know. The, that we have it. Yeah. Yeah. But that's what it's called. Right. That's gonna be strong. This is gonna go across to that property, that might interfere with some of the culprits. I don't know. Alfred might know, and that's what we're talking about, the East Calis stormwater project. That's what we're talking about, the East Calis stormwater project. And that's what we're talking about, the East Calis stormwater project. We're gonna table this for now, and Rick's gonna follow up with Alfred. Yeah. And it's called the East Calis stormwater project. You're right. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I'm not sure that, you know, it could be that there, a conflict is Could it be? inadvertently created. He may have. And that they don't understand that they're likely to get busted. Oh. And it's not. Yeah. Okay. So Alfred, I say to Rick, you should know you really have to put yourself in. And don't take, don't take, I mean, if he doesn't really know the answer to the question that John raises, you should tell him. If you put your friends in charge. So, we have to, well, I'm, we've got to talk to the engineers on the project. This is, this goes around to Alfred. That is a big question about conflict and interest. So, I don't know if they do products together, but. So I have it, no, there's an engineer, there's a design. Yeah. We need to make sure that's all. Right. Right. And Rick and I have been working on that project with CVRPC. We're waiting for, to hear. Reach out. Right. So I'm noting this, not before this 22nd of August, and. It's the 22nd of August, maybe. In two tweets from tonight. So, we see right away, and we will, it may, it may still be a furniture. It may be. Well, Rick can let us know in advance, if you don't have all the pieces, then we're putting it on the agenda. Right. And so, we may end up talking about it, raising all these issues without the here, and not, it's still not fully built. Right. We need better plans in this. I cannot, we need to not, you know, our eyes are expanding just a little bit more. I'd like to know, is the septic system a pressurized system, or a old fashioned, you know, new gravity system, because the gravity system is not going to be deep. And is this, is this a mound? Can you tell? Well, I can tell you, to some, it's a land of horrific quality. Just the quality of this. It was so small. Actually, you're raising an important issue because, if John's, I mean, I don't know what the drug product should or are going to do this here, but, I mean, I need to see us get in a situation where, we improve this, and it turns out that John wants to intensify the use of the mill, and the requirement of that intense use, which may be a great thing for us, it's not necessarily bad, but I don't have any ideas on that. But that intensification can't be supported by the septic systems. Right, but I don't think, I don't, I don't think that's beyond our, that's, that's, that's beyond our, improving the easterly, work of the drug. He weren't, we're not looking at whether the septic system is big enough. We're not looking at any of that stuff. And he's got Chase and Chase, so he'll be on that. Okay, I'd like to move along. Yeah, me too. We'll get it, folks. Okay. Denise. Yes. Now we're to the road crew, I'm confirming. Yeah, I forgot to bring my copy, but I sent it to everybody, and I put it in the folder. I mean, is that, Barbara's already printed, I already asked Barbara who printed off six copies of the road and bridge sanders as we adopted, nothing's changed. And, I guess one of my questions was, I assume that, thank you ladies. Thank you. Thank you. Bye. See you Saturday. Do we want to know for the record who was here and has just left, because. Yes. Okay. So for the record who was here, there was Rene de Gas, Karen Butowith, and I think everybody else is still here, right? Yeah. Nobody else left. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Okay. David Sheets. Who were they performing? I think they were just here to, hear about ARPL. The ARPL. Yeah. Yeah. These house. These fire districts. Fire district. And I'm a fire. That's okay. Your excuse. Thank you. Thank you. Well, and while we're on it, Donna Fitch and Don, this year, Don McCall is here. Donna spoke earlier, there was a Camel of Potter, and then Larry wishes to join us. There. There, now we've got everybody. Now Lisa will be able to get it. There are so many such things. I'm going to say, that's right. That's right. No, you can't be an ARPL. You can't be. Okay. So Denise circulated a memo and the point just to recap. So, two meetings ago, we... July 25th. One meeting ago. We confirmed the Calis Road standards. And, we thought that we would not only confirm them, but actually take. Re-adopt. Re-adopt. And, but take the additional step of actually asking Alfred to meet with the road crew, go through the standards with them, and then ask each of the road crew members to confirm and write it through signing Denise's memo that they have participated in the training, which I guess, probably takes the form of conversation, ask questions, let's go through this, and do so in writing that we can have for the files. That's what we're talking about. So, the rainbow is not indicative of the train, but is they the capable of writing? Well, and it says, if you need help or you would like additional. Well, yeah. It's a state of training. And it's... When I say training, then let me rephrase it. I didn't mean like a formal training, but I do think it's worth asking Alfred to actually go through the, in a meeting, go through them. With the crew. With the crew. And that's what I mean when I say training? Well, I can also add to the memo that Alfred will be scheduling a time to meet with the crew to review the standards. I would have him sign it after that. Right, after, right. This is what's gonna happen. Yeah. And then after that, if you have any more questions, well, let's articulate a... Did I put a date certain on there? I thought I put the end of August. We do. August 31. Okay, perfect. So, I'd forgotten that piece. Okay, so by August 31, you will have me go through standards, entertain questions, everybody gets a chance to digest it, and then they'll all sign up on these. Right. Is there a motion to approve the memo? With the addition of... That's disgusting. With the addition of the training. So moved. Yeah. I'll move. Right, John's motion breaks. Seconded it. Second. Come on. I'll be able to say it. All right. Thank you, Denise, for doing that. Okay, now we are on... End of the year fiscal. Okay, so Donna will be impressed. I actually understand some of this stuff. I bet you do. Okay, so we ended the fiscal year, June 30th, now we're in FY23. So I've been working with mostly Wendy at NEMRIC on this. We ended the fiscal year of 22, no in the red. Total. So what we do have is we have... Not in the red, yeah. In the black. We're in the black. We're in the black. Right. We're in the negative in highway by $12,182.76. General government, we have a, I don't know, surplus probably isn't the right word, but the carry forward of $85,783.85. Out of that, oh, and I was gonna mention today for you while I was here. We have a couple of things that, because we don't have a treasurer and we knew some things would fall through the cracks. We have a couple of items that need to be followed up on. We have outstanding $1,253.00 Hazard mitigation grant payment from CVRPC. Remember we were working on that hazard mitigation thing? Yeah, yeah. And we had been attending meetings and we were all documenting our time, so it would be an in kind. We didn't come up with enough in kind. So we have like $1,200 that we need to pay. The other one, and this is what I've gotta follow up with David and the HPC on, is the Naval Corner CLG Grant. It's showing a negative balance of $8,082.50. So I've gotta follow up with the HPC who was handling, I think the HPC was handling this grant administration and see where we're at to get reimbursed, so that will. Bring it flush. Yeah, flush, that's the word, flush. We do have, and I sent everybody the stuff that Wendy sent. Yeah, so that's pretty much it. Oh, I know, we had a loan payment that was due by the end of FY22 for $66,000. And I haven't figured out yet which loan that is, but that's gonna get paid. It got paid in July of this fiscal, in July, so it brings it into FY23. So we'll actually end up showing that we've made two payments to this loan in FY23. By the time we're all said and done with zeroing out these different items, we are gonna have left over about $7,000. But the $7,000 carried forward, so what would have happened if we had a loan payment on time? Well, then we'd have. Then we'd have a negative. I don't know, we'd have more money left over. I guess I don't understand. Well, it would have been a. The logic to your question. It would have been a neutral transaction. Because it's a capital transaction. Right, yeah. So it's just, and the rest of the balance goes to the reserve, correct? It's happening. So we had a $7,000. $7,000 carried forward, which would go into our, oh, I can't remember. All construction. No, no, no, there's nothing. I mean, there's nothing left in highway to put in anything. In, we put that in reserve. That would be the reserve fund. It goes, we have like $500,000 in our fund balance, which is like a surplus. To pay our bills, we don't have to take out a loan. It just goes in there. Yeah, and to just be clear, it's not a surplus. It is the. It's a fund balance. It's a fund balance that we started. Sandra started it, I think. Or did you start it? I think Donna was still with us, and in case it's what rescues us from having to borrow money each year in anticipation of taxes. So we don't want to call it a surplus because we don't want anyone to misinterpret it. Right. Budgets are an estimate. So it's our, it's our slush in case we have to ride it, not a slush, but it rides it's not over. I think Sandra. Sandra always called it a currency fund because what it does is exactly what Sharon just said. It keeps us from having to take out a loan in anticipation of taxes. Because that loan, every time we took one out, we had to pay interest. So between Donna and Sandra, they guided us thankfully in this direction. The auditors love our fund balance. Yeah, absolutely. It means that because taxes come in, in generally August and September. September and November. Right. And we spend money before that. And so. Otherwise we take it alone. Right. This fund that Denise is talking about is the cash that's available for us to spend so we're not borrowing. I'm really saying that so that people understand why we have all this money, quote, sitting around. It's, it's. Yeah, it's not really sitting around. It's going to get spent on expenses between now and the collection of our total taxes. Because remember, the first payment is only half of what we need. Right. To run the town. It's a reserve fund. No, it's not a reserve fund. A reserve. What's not a reserve fund? It's different. It's a reserve fund you build so that you're, you know, basically, I think it's a reserve fund. It's kind of like a capital fund. And a reserve fund has to be established and warned and voted. So this is not that. This is saving us its money that we have so that we can spend money before people pay their taxes. And we don't have to borrow money and pay interest. Right. So I want to be really clear of what it's called contingency. No, we kept, we didn't in the schools, we kept the 5%. And it was literally, well it was, well it didn't, it didn't get spent unless they kept that, that did. But that was different. Yeah, that was different. Yeah, that's what we did. That was different. No, this is, this is not. This is all about cash. This is not that. We, we start from the right where Denise used to work contingency. It's not a surplus. It's, it's a fund. So the long term is it's a, it's money that we don't have to borrow before taxes come in. Right, so we can keep the, we can keep the town going without a loan. That's right. Collecting interest instead of paying it. All right. Yeah, we, well, yeah. And let me make sure everybody has a chance to understand. Right. Okay. All right. Is there anything, okay, Denise, the next item is also yours. Alvarez, Denise, you're out. Right. And send a lot of you to speak to that. Nemerick suggested in our current situation with an audit pending that we put together kind of the sequence of events and the fact that we don't have a treasurer. We're going to be hopefully advertising again very soon. We can tell, we can talk about all the time we spent advertising, the offer we made, all of that stuff. And so I'm proposing that I will draft that and like share and to review it and have it ready for Sullivan and Powers. So that they know, so they know we know. Right. That, yeah. And it will include what we mentioned last time as well. This point is really important to me. That if you're constantly chasing a hire that may not come, the fact that we took a breath and said, let's make a plan and pace, we don't have that. That's I think something we should be proud of doing. I want to clarify for the consuming public who Sullivan and Powers is. Oh, Sullivan and Powers is our outside auditor. It does an audit once a year. Nemerick has been right along doing the monthly reconciliation, they call it, which is what I send around to everybody to look at. It's usually like 50 or 60 pages. They do that monthly reconciliation. 74. The last one was 74. And I had a bunch of questions which she answered so that was good. Sullivan and Powers does our external audit. And they've been doing it for several years. We actually went from not getting a very good grade to having a really good grade. We're gonna get done this year. Yeah, we will. We're gonna get done because of the situation with no treasure. We know that. We're trying. We're gonna advertise again. As Sharon mentioned, we weren't having good results. When we posted, we know the hiring market are in Vermont and everywhere else has been really terrible just to find anybody for anything. So I mean, it's not like we haven't been trying. So this memo is going to our auditor. To our auditor, Sullivan and Powers kind of laying out the sequence of events, why we are, where we are at right now. And what our next steps are. So that it's like confessing ahead of time. We know this is a problem. We know this is a problem. And we're trying. I move that Denise and Sharon be authorized. For that memo, Sharon and to review it and that they are authorized to send it to Sullivan and Powers. I'll second that. Any other questions? Conversation about it. All in favor, please say aye. Thank you very much. No, I think it's, we're not alone. No, we're not. Denise has regular conversations with the NEMR team. NEMR, by the way, for the Americans and the Illinois Municipal Resource Center. Right. And it's helped many cities and towns and one of the functions they were doing are pretty out of us. Right. And they are currently doing for a lot of other towns what they are currently doing for us because other towns can't find employees either. So we are not alone in this boat, in this ship that we keep trying to keep sailing and going through the waves, but we are not the only ones. So when people say, I haven't got this done yet, we are not the only ones. We are not. Right. And NEMR can confirm that. Right. Okay, so perfect segue. Yes. To the next item. So I will, so you can have a breath, Denise. I will speak to this one under personnel report. The first item is asking the board to formally approve the creation of a Treasurer's Business Manager job. Kind of position. Job description. That's not it. That's position. Well, it's both. The position. That's the next item. I thought I'd fix that. Approve the creation of a Treasurer's Business Manager position in town. Is there a motion? So moved. Second. Okay. It's been moved and seconded. So others can weigh in too. So Denise just gave the, you know, some of the history that we posted the Treasurer position at folks know we had a candidate that we worked with for a period. We've had other candidates, some conversation, various levels of right fit, various levels of right fit that ultimately means, you know, where we are now as we don't have somebody. So we had this idea that Denise and I and we work on different personnel issues of, you know, what if we bring together the Treasurer function? We've talked about trying to take and assess the outsourced pieces of it that are more day-to-day, very tasky. That is very possible to do. And at the same time, bringing in the, we have just kind of referred to as a select board assistant, but bringing that position to something that would allow a broader range of activity, more direct work with the board because the Treasurer would report to the board, but now be as a business manager for the board actually working with us and supporting our work. We thought that might be a pretty interesting opportunity for somebody to be really involved in all different kinds of ways. I mean, the position could have more varied duties, which might attract different types of candidates. For instance, doing the NEMRIC, some of the NEMRIC stuff. If somebody has some experience or is smart, they can be taught some of the NEMRIC stuff. Right. So we just need somebody who's, you know, organized. Smart. Smart. Can manage a project, detail-oriented. And likes a variety. Right. So we spoke to this last time, but we hadn't specifically warned it. And so tonight we warned it for approval. There's a motion made in second. Did anybody else want to ask questions or weigh in on it? All in favor, please say aye. Okay. So we've created the position. The position. And we have approved, we have duly warned in an open meeting and created the position for the town. Now, at the last meeting, two weeks ago, the board asked me and Denise to work on a job description, which we have done and you have seen and it is here tonight for us to sign. You're supposed to write it. No, we have not posted. We will. No, we're not posting it until we get all these other pieces done. That's right. First, we approve the job description and then Denise and I will, I didn't warn this, but you know, we've approved the job description and we will get it posted post-haze. Okay, I move that I'll just put a motion on the floor to approve the job description that you've drafted and to authorize its posting. I'll second that. Any comments folks want to make? So I actually, I do want to say that here's the job description that's done, Denise and I have worked on it and a new practice Denise mentioned just last time and we are very excited about this new practice. Everybody will sign this and it'll go on the website as signed by the board and so people know that this is a board approved position. Yeah. Are you ready for that? I just want to say that out loud. So the motion is made and seconded. Can we already know on this one? No. All in favor of the job description that you've seen. Aye. Okay, I'll pass it around for signing. Okay. The next item, we talked last time on the 25th extensively about the director of public works position and we, Mark, you were chairing that meeting. I was away and I was participating by phone. We committed to reflecting on the input that we had and working to incorporate the feedback into the job description and I just want to have, we're doing okay on time tonight guys. So we can have a little bit of discussion about where we are and then ultimately you'll see that I'm hoping that you will authorize me and Denise to revisit the job description based on what we took away from last time, what we hear from our reflections and we write the job description. So ultimately it's our job to incorporate to the extent that we find things that we want to incorporate and that's, I just want to bring it up for that discussion. Maybe I'll just start over with you, John. So I just want to understand that there's going to be a motion to authorize you all to revisit the job description that we previously put together and discussed. And approved in June. And allow Denise and Sharon to Incorporate your feedback. Incorporate. What the board wants to do with the position at this point. The board's feedback. And make tweets to the job description if necessary based on what we hear tonight. Oh, I see. Yeah. So you've had, you've been thinking about this, not stopped for two weeks. But you will be in a position to post it. That's what we have on. Yeah, that's what we have. Yep, and post. That's a clarification. That is absolutely part of that motion coming up. But first, you know, we promised the folks who came and offered comment that we would consider and reflect on it, which we've had a couple weeks to do. So John, thoughts that bubble up for you about things that we might want to do? I know I'm not trying to make it less of an issue than it was for many people, but there's a lot of focus on simply keeping the title of the job. Yeah, great. And less focus on the details of what that person would be doing, responsible for doing this in that position. And I don't see an inconsistency with the job description, with the fuller of the job description, and with the title. And there was some tongue-in-cheek criticism that we don't have a sewer plan. This isn't Boston or whatever, or Newark. But we do have infrastructure here. We now are talking about fiber and how that all sugars out on the road. But these are all the things that day to day we've been handling in folks who also remember that this volunteer board actually has been active in many respects as managers. And it's impossible, frankly, for us to manage adequately the different affairs of this town in this day to age by showing up twice a month or two hours. So the only alternative currently is for us to do what we have been doing. And that is, you know, and the idea of full transparency is a lot that goes on behind the scenes. Because we don't have a full-time manager, we can do this stuff transparently. So we're doing this by telephone and single emails. And it's just not a healthy situation. It's not healthy for any of us. It's not healthy for anybody. Once the PSI board member in the future get interested in this job, because it is too large to volunteer. Well, it gets bigger. And we don't, frankly, we can't. It's impossible to do a good job without between meetings. Huge investments are going to be made in that effort. And even still, it's not going to be the quality that we would seek in having more. Some full-time reporting to us like much in the way of what it does, and Sandy used to, and Don used to, as a treasurer, on what was accomplished in the prior two weeks, a month, quarter, and all that. We don't have that. So this is important. I think the title is fine, despite the pushback we've got from some of the other people. OK. Mark. I thought we did some really interesting testimony. One of the points that was made was, I felt like a lot of people were sympathetic with the idea that we just can't handle it all. And as one person said, things are falling through the cracks. So I'm not worried about that. The question is how to configure it. And one of the suggestions was that we should really, we were talking about a series of needs that was broad enough that we should think about town manager rather than treasure. And I thought about that. But we're not on treasure now. I'm just a report straight. Yeah. And I thought about that really carefully. I think that was well-meaning. And I don't think the first people saying it were saying it because they were particularly worried about it. I don't think they were saying it because they thought there was a rather broad need and wondering as public works director now. And I thought about it. I think what I concluded, and this is all my way of saying, I support the position as the treasure. I mean, as I'm sorry, as the director of public works. I think that with the approval of the treasure town manager position, we call that treasure business position. That's kind of business manager for the board. Yeah, for the board. And a director of public works who is also charged with grants. And I'll get to that in a minute. That I think if you guys are thoughtful and careful, we can cover the issues we want to cover that in a bigger town than us, maybe the town manager title might be appropriate. But for us, I think the pair of these individuals will cover what we need. So I support moving ahead as planned. I think you should. I really appreciate that we were given maybe by you a description of a prior position that was created. I just wanted you to do the due diligence, which I know you've already been doing, thinking through, have we covered it all? Down his email was really helpful to job my memory, because I had forgotten to do that, right? I'm going to be able to respond to that. The other thing, I just so I support going with director of public works. I think the pair of those positions is best for a town of our size. Second, I really like the idea of the director of public works being charged with grants in the broadest sense, because I think there's money out there that goes beyond roads that we could get, and I think that that's really important. So that's all I have to say. Good luck. I'm totally in favor of the motion, and I thank you in advance for your work. Thank you, Mark. That's right. Yeah, I really support the DPW position. One thing I think of the meeting, I actually am less supportive of the town manager type of thing, because that overlaps into a lot of planning, and it actually, we've kind of conceived this in the sense of infrastructure management, and grant management, things like that. It's hard, but we need to have some discipline in keeping, not drowning that person. This is, we're still a small town, so we need to make, we're going to have to feel our way into this to be able to find out what that sweet spot is, where we can manage it appropriately, and it's real easy to expand this beyond what one person can conceivably do. So I really, the public works director idea really keeps that to me, and it defines it into that infrastructure support area. I really think it's important in this, and I love the way this whole treasure and administrative position has come together, because the grants management is almost, it's a mutual effort. You've got an accounting side to this, a treasury side, and frankly. And then you kind of have the physical grant itself, you know, the constraints that are on that, and what it's supporting in this. This is almost, it's going to take a really good collaborative effort between the DPW and the Treasury. And even the town of Clark and some, that's going to be a tribe of certainly the select board. But John's right, we can't, we are, we can't be very admired in that deeply in those groups. I mean, we can't do our jobs well, I mean, it's select board matters, we have a moment of time, and this is a very full time job. So I think going at this with this upon, all the ideas are really good. I think we have to not try to open the floodgates right away, we break this in a way that we have that possibility to cover a lot of areas, but we step in very methodically, let this person get their feet on the ground and we build that, know where we're going, and we say, okay, these are our first priority, and we're going to expand into this as we get to the familiarity. I think that's the real path for success for us. So I'm definitely like, just in the name, I think DPW is. So would you make, so I'm hearing that you're comfortable with what we've worked on already. I'm very comfortable with it. Any of you have a question? Yeah. Okay, Denise, I mean, I think, I've done, I did a lot of research before the job description was even written for other towns and looking at job description with the BLTC as job descriptions. So we've looked at a lot of job descriptions and this really, from what I read, this is really what we're in need of. It's somebody to manage buildings. We spent a ton of money on this building and somebody needs to be on top of, you know, shutters, shutters, right? Is the roof okay? The town office, you know, they need to probably have a heat pump thing put in over there. There's work that's done in the town garage. There's all kinds of grants to take care of. And as Mark said, there's money out there. We just don't have anybody to go get it. And I really appreciated hearing people's thoughts on it. They weren't all positive. But I'm glad we heard what people had to say. I think that was productive. And to remind us, so I'm really comfortable with, you know, I was kicking around some other job titles in my head and none of them really fit except Director of Public Works. Since I've been on the board, which is a long time now, I mean, what we need to do for this town has grown. And we showed in the budget that we have in the current budget the money to pay for this position. And I'm gonna augment that point, even though I'm interrupting you, John said several times last time. Augmenting it by recognizing where those functions are already budgeted, or does it general matter? Yes, we're not taking money from the library. No, it's within, because I know that that was some concern and I hear that concern. I don't blame people for raising it and wondering, but it's in the current budget between Slut Board Administrator, we had a Grant's Administrator in there, and there's a couple other functions I can't remember off the top of my head now. But it all came together to fund that position. And as Ruth mentioned, the Slut Board, the Treasurer, and the Business Manager are going to work together closely on grants and doing capital budgets, not just capital budgets, not just the highway, but for the whole town. Right, yeah, I was expecting that I would hear, we would hear, I would hear from you guys that you had some tweaks, we were open to different titles. I'm entirely open to different titles because I kind of feel like, and I said this last time, we struggled with the title, we can change the title. It's not a big deal. On the other hand, we have a lot of other things going on and if we can be comfortable, even the other thing we could do is we could go through and we could take out references to sewer. However, overwhelmingly, the job description fits what the need is and those things to me feel unbalanced if we don't feel strongly about it, not worth slowing down, printing it out again, signing it over again, retitling it, getting it back out on the website. Instead, we can, I think we promised we would post it again. So if we're comfortable that, it may not be 100%, it may be 90%, and that's good enough for us where we are right now. It always says, other duties as assigned if we find out that this piece doesn't work as Director of Public Works, we can move it too. This is a good report. And we'll find once we have some experience on that. Also it depends, I think, if hopefully we have interviews, we'll find out what people's capabilities are and that may evolve positions somewhat. And as you indicated, it may evolve afterwards, but I'm completely comfortable with moving ahead on this basis and seeing what's out there. Okay, so what we need documented then for the minutes is that we, Prove the position. That we, I can't remember, did we? Prove the position, the motion is on the floor. No, there was no motion because I opened this up as a discussion. So there's no motion right now. The next motion is then to authorize Sharon. What we're saying is we have revisited or reflected, but we're not gonna make any changes for all the reasons that we're saying. And so I think the motion that we have proposed becomes, and I'll ask it this way, is there a motion to authorize, Denise has been doing her posting, to authorize Denise to repost for the Public Works Director? For how many? We have how many weeks? Was it two weeks? Does two weeks feel, we have one applicant. We have one applicant, right? We would like to not lose one applicant. Two weeks is a typical, that's what we do to state. To state that's two weeks. That's really complex. Okay. I mean, when we were posting for the Treasurer, we did it saying open till filled. Yeah. We can do that. But if we can do that, and if it gets filled, we can say open until filled. Let's do that. Yeah, let's do that. Okay, so now the motion is that we are going to authorize Denise to post the position with the note that it is open until filled. Is there a motion? So moved. Okay, second. Mark, second. Mark, seconded. Okay, any other discussion folks want to have? I was just thinking that this might save electricity because to the extent that the Director of Public Works picks up the duties that John Paul is currently taking on, that Don will run her vacuum less often. Apologies for having you there. Well, I was saying that Don will run her vacuum less often and save the power of the trip. I'm not lying, I'm not. No, no, this is a different type of scene. I'll tell you later. All right, inside joke, okay. So do you have anything, anything not tongue-in-cheek? Well, the question I have is, let's say we put it out here two weeks later, we have the one person who already applied, we have two more people, we interview all three, and we say, well, you know, we really want to make an offer. Are we going to limit ourselves onto when we can make an offer? We're saying it's open till filled? No, no, no, no. I don't know where we got an ad for two weeks, but. Well, so I mean, do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, we should give it two weeks. Just, yeah, I'm drifting back to, I'm drifting back to we should announce to folks, and we have been very transparent. We have an applicant who we have not formally interviewed that we understand is still interesting. So we don't want to lose that person, but we want to be fair. Everybody in town knows about this position. So we can post it for two weeks. Post it for two weeks. And then beyond that, it's gonna fill, if we, and it's in none of the, I mean, we have it in new with the other next meeting. Right, we can download it, we don't fill it. Well, it's gonna take the way the papers and stuff are up now, it's probably some of it, so we're not gonna get posted till next week. But anyways. So what do we say, it's posted until August 20, I don't know. I'll say the end of August. Till the end of August. Okay. Okay, there we go. There's a motion on the table that we've just amended to end of August posting. So we have to vote on the. I accept the friendly amendment. Friendly amendment. I accept it. And we're posting it in the GA Times Argus. Times Argus, hard to visit. Not porch for us. For a whole bunch of different Facebook pages is what I did last time. And I think last time. So we have a. Yes, that's the other. Josh. Yeah, so VLCT, Facebook pages. And I'll post it in the Treasurer Business Manager. We wanna get posted in the same places. Okay, good to know. Okay, so appropriate Facebook pages. Warchfore on the town's website. Town's website, maybe seven days. That's what we did before, the seven days. Hard to visit. And Times Argus. Okay, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. Seven different places. So that means that's what we did before. It sounds sufficient. That's right. All right, friendly amendment end of August posting in these places. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Okay. All right. Thank you. And thank you, John. I appreciate it here for this discussion. I wish more people were here too. Well, you can be the ambassador down again. Send her a look around. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, John. All right. Thank you. Okay. Additional signage. Oh, yes. So I had a call from Heidi Thompson. Before I go into the additional signage, before I could talk about, before we talked about signage, she goes, I just want you to know that Louis and I, that's my husband, are very supportive of the select board. We appreciate everything they do. We know how hard you guys work. You put in a lot of hours that people don't know about and don't appreciate. She wanted me to know that and to pass it on to the rest of the board. We don't get very many compliments. So I really wanted you guys to hear what she had to say. She said a few more things, but I can't remember. But just as it is, she and Louis Franco really do support us. They really are happy with what we do. They know we work really hard. And she said, you work really hard for a lot of money, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So anyways, no, it was, it was very nice. Very, I felt it was a really genuine. Yeah. Part felt kind of like it. Okay. Yeah. Thank you for sharing that. Yeah. Can I mention something I forgot to do first? Let's do the item and then we can, we have a round robin. Good. Perfect chance for that. We're not there yet. We're not there yet. Welcome to our community swim area. Please remember, no fires, no alcoholic beverages, no smoking, no dogs, no glass containers. We thank you for your support. Great. So, That's clear. There is one there. Well, there's one similar to that there. They would like to purchase two additional slides. Thank you, Larry. I am. I'll see you later. You want to hear your comment or say anything? You know, I'm the man here as a representative. I will say that I appreciate the board's remarks about the last meeting and what was going to be done. I'm taking a look at it. It was very important. Yeah. You're getting wet. Yeah, I am. I was hoping we got it in the footage. Oh, he's already in. So, so they would like permission to, purchase two additional signs. Go on. Four. Two additional signs. And it cost them about 120 or $25. Last total, the two signs. And I wanted to hurry up and do this because this is already, I guess, eight, we wait till the 22nd. It's two. I don't know. I think I have a motion that we authorize purchase of signs, two signs, two as described. Not to exceed, actually, I don't want to make the motion. I should ask for the motion. Never mind, I'm asking for the motion. Yeah, I made that motion with an amount, not to exceed, let's say, 150. 150, just in case. Okay. Each 100. Total. Okay. All right, so there's a motion, is there a second? Second. Okay. Any other discussion or questions? I don't need to write the record. I want to reflect that I'm going to vote for the motion. I could, I have recused myself with respect to the damage that I have. I can't. On, on, given the nature of this item, I don't feel the need to recuse myself unless it's the sense of the board that I should. Are you going to be making the signs? No. Then you're fine. Yeah, I think you're fine. Okay. I just wanted to, I appreciate that. I feel like you're fine. I'm sorry for being flippant about it. I shouldn't do that. Okay. Yeah, all right. So you're fine. So I vote yes for the motion. Okay. Very good. Thank you. Well, me too. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. I found my rope drum and we'll get stuck to something else. Okay. I also, so that was an action. I didn't, I had a townsperson send me, did I send you guys forward photos that I got from a townsperson? I might not. I apologize for not doing that. I got them, I got photos. One of my neighbors was doing a Sunday afternoon drive. I imagine I'm sort of augmenting what I actually know for sure. I was in Thetford or Tumbridge. I can never remember one of those towns. And, you know, I was impressed with the, with the road maintenance as a general matter, signs of no, no invasive, he said. Roads nice and, you know, narrow and felt like country roads. And one of the signs that he sent me a picture of is we've seen this. I have seen this sign, not in Calis, but the one that says bicycles may use the entire lane. Oh, after you told me about that, I did see one of those. Yeah. No, they're up there. I heard that they're in, I don't know. They're in a person and they said, I think it was Stratford. Oh, Stratford, that could be it. Yeah. They're in the MUTCD, though. I mean, the main one, the uniform, and the control lights, which is by extension. I don't know, you have to follow. And they also mentioned that this road was 40 and it's a paved road. I know the road, the road between Stratford and, you know, we go across the hill from Sharon and then you get that road just in Stratford. That's 40 up through there and then lower. I think, I don't, it's been my understanding that bicycles have the right to use the entire lane. They're treated as, Yes. Yeah, they do. As the, you know, Well, just like horses do. If somebody is riding a horse, they have the right to use the entire lane. And we expect the bicyclists to signal for us and respect distances and we as motorists are similarly supposed to do that. Anyway, so this person said, can't we have these signs in Calis on County Road? And then anywhere else. Yeah, bikes are made entirely. I'm not completely comfortable with that. Tell me, check, that we are governed by the MUTCD. That's the main on Uniform Drive Code for Traffic Control Bices. It's a, as show, you know, you don't really go and create your own signs this way. We just should be a little careful. So does it authorize, sorry, like the guy on the track with the straw hat? Is that in there? Yeah, well, I can't tell you right off the court. There are many, many, many signs. Let me read to you what the VTrans website says. What does it say? Bicycles, just Google this, have the same rights that are known as motor vehicles. However, they are obligated to ride as far to right as a practical boat. And we can have a sign that says, bicycles have the same rights to the road as motor vehicles. Please share the road or something like that. I've seen the share the road, please share the road. It's called, it's a share the road booklet. Okay, so this is just a discussion. It's just a discussion. So I think you should check it out and we should. Yeah, and I would think if we do it, we don't do it as an advisory sign, which is yellow, right? We do this as some kind of a different sign, not associated with, I mean, you got regulatory signs and you've got advisory signs. Correct, there were specific things. The, I'm gonna send you the link, the VTrans booklet has advisory signs as a bicycle. Right? That's right, yeah. And it has a share the road. That's good, I define those are advisory signs. They're advice, we can use what they have. You can't go and create, right? Yeah. If you wanna act as, I think that Rick, you should find out whatever you're gonna find out and tell Sharon so she can put it on the agenda or not. The red thing on whether or not. I'm making a note to do that, right? I guess my question is, are we talking, because we couldn't put them on 14, right? The VTrans, we're not tied to that road. We're only looking to put them on County Road, or are we looking to put them on back roads? County Road. County Road, I would imagine, certainly. Okay. Yeah. That's the only place it matters for God's sake. People ride where they're gonna ride. I know I've ridden all over the dirt roads and on my electric bike. Yeah, you've ridden right now. Ride where you can until your car comes around and then you move over. Right, right. Well, yes, I wanted to put that out there. So do we want to have a proposal to approve in two weeks? Does that fit? Yeah, I'm just a strafford. Strafford, you said strafford. Well, John's sending Rick the link, so that should help. Okay, I'm gonna do that. Okay, so who's gonna, who's gonna, we let Sharon and Rick. Rick or John, is one of you gonna give me a proposal for the 22nd? I think it's gonna be Rick. Rick, a proposal for 822. Because it's white signs, white signage. Yeah, okay. I'm gonna be on page three. I'm gonna be in Maine starting Friday through the rest of the next week, but I'll let Sharon find out. Just for all you. Well, anything you land on the beach, you can look to stuff, John's gonna send you the link. Yeah, all week. Well, I've got to know what the MEGC means. Yeah, we don't need a one-pager, we just need a stand. Easy, correct. It's the guardian of the stand. How many signs would we want? Two. The county road? Four. Four, two different spots on County Road on each direction. Right, from the right, this way and this way and this way and that way. So it's total of four signs. Four signs for now, and then Rick, all you have to do is let me know what the sign is gonna say. Yeah, and you know, there's something that says slow, bicycle route, or something. So I can't show you on the screen. We better be in community because we're not coming. Rifle that says speeders will be shot on the side. I'm all for that. Eight people for that, yeah. So I had a great misfortune to, first time I tracked or disabled in the middle of Bailing and then the rain came the next day, and I didn't get my hair. That would've been bad and I was very distracted when I couldn't move my tractor so the road wouldn't go up. And I started walking from the field that was Adam Lane's property, off County Road to the side facing traffic heading north between real road to this road and walk to this road. And if I was distracted and upset by what happened by tractor, which I was, really I agreed to stop, that was suddenly forgotten because I was literally diving out of the road from the left. It was out of control, it was like Route 14. The cars coming, they didn't care that I was a pedestrian, it was bright light. I was really obvious, white t-shirt, and they came down, they did not give me any space, 70, 80 miles an hour, this is not 50. It was unbelievable and coming north, well their first pickup truck came down so fast, a brand new super duper macho man truck came down. Whoa, and then coming north, these cars were like, there was a car going the speed limit about which is fast, 50. And it's pickup truck passed the car and another one was behind them and it's that stretch between, before you get to San Morse's farm and before you get to Cynthia's Morse's place, it was insane, I was like rock. And it could not believe it was right. If people pass on the WL line. Oh, oh, yeah, they were all passing, they were passing those two slow 50 mile per cars. It was unbelievable, and I have a solution. I mean, these people were insane and it wasn't one person, people going north and south. I literally couldn't walk, by the way, the shoulder is so narrow when people are going like that, you cannot walk on that road. God forbid you had a bicycle on that road. And what's the time of day, Luke? It was, I don't know, 3.30 in the afternoon? Well, I hear a lot of people often winding out on their road, I live on a market right off of that, so on camera. Yeah. And it's, you get used to the regularity, but that's what our sign is, we're gonna be able to pick out these cars when these guys are moving. And then the only way to get them is with enforcement, because those are your chronic- We're gonna be having cameras. Well, I've got one, I don't know, I don't think we're gonna- I shouldn't have said that, we're not going there tonight. I'll show you. One point, we'll be finished, we'll be finished. So the other part I wanna tell you, I've talked to some folks from Woodbury about the value of their speed control silence that we're doing, too, and they're like, watch out what you ask for, and what. You know, like, the Yaku's are using this to clock their cars to see how fast they can go. Yep, so they're like, instead of saying, oh, I'm coming to a 35, it tells you your speed. So if there's a way to disable that, they're really not over a certain speed, because these guys, I think the Woodbury one goes to 90, they used to the person told me, so these guys are trying to get their cars and motorcycles and everything else they ride as fast as they can coming into town so they can pin the meter. I mean- I think that these signs, you can have a high limit on it. Yeah. And it's, like, we're just have to slow down, right? Well, yeah. It's not a high-limited S. Instead of that, I'll have the job of verifying a little bit of speed limit and then say, slow down. We don't have these guys to have. What we're gonna do- Yeah, it's like drag racing. The key is here, you know, it's a combination. Most people respond to these. You always have that 5% lawless, and those you get with enforcement. That's where watching when they're moving and they move at the same times. Yeah, they do. It's not random. And boy, you can get them off and you can go affordably. And that's what, that's the problem here. That's what, so yeah, I mean, without, like, major geometries changes to a ride, we won't, believe it or not, one thing we can look at, I have to look at what the lane with this on that road. But we have this- Yeah, I'm not sure what we need more. Listen, listen to this. If that's a 12-foot lane where we can run, we can run the arrow down to 11 with a white line giving a foot of payment, and just that will drop the speed limit. We did it, we did it on route 30, you know, there. Good, wait, that was on a same route. Good. From 12 to 11, it cut the speed down to 15 miles. Yeah, and that'll give, that'll create a bike lane. And then we can have- And then we can have bike lanes, nice. This is something, this is gonna be part of this strategy. It's not just one. We have to have those visual cues. Oh, they're gonna start getting the information. Oh, God, I've got this, I have these three for you, and we can, I have two options on here for the signs. Let's, let's, I will- Okay, so, are we ready to move on then? Yeah, I think we're ready to move on, so I- Yeah, thanks for saying that, and I know also. So to measure that with for the next meeting, that'd be great. So I have us on bicycle signs on August 3rd, and we set it four times. Right. Okay, so then, okay, this is a update on the pay data, pay data discussions. So when you guys authorized, we approved pay data after comparing pay data with some other possibilities. We got to the contract, and we had our lawyers look at it, and it wasn't a hard no, but there were some things that we asked them if we could, if we could- We asked pay data. We asked pay data to, you know, there was some language that we, not specifics, we just said, we asked for changes that we liked. So, we're like to discuss with you. And they said, not right away, but after some back and forth, no. So that, I'm not here to say there's no way that we're gonna use pay data, but what Denise and I would like is just to, what we're gonna do is look at some other possibilities. There's a lot of payroll services out there, so we, pay data has a Vermont footprint. We liked that. We, some other municipalities use them, but they're not the only ones. So we'll investigate some other possibilities and bring it back to that time. Actually, these were actual rounds of our time that we're turning in with them, or are you guys- No, we gave it to him. We gave it to Joe. Yeah, and he didn't say, don't sign this, absolutely not. He just raised a few things, and the first thing you do is say, hey, can you send me a word of copy? No. Dude, were they by any chance the indemnification? Yes, yes, yes. They wanted us to indemnify them no matter whether it was our ignorance or right. That's right. Okay, well just, I'm perfectly happy with you doing it, but I just wanna tell you, I've been through this 20 times. What I do is, I just write into the contract, and just take my pen, and I write in, due to our negligence or malfeasance. So you just, well, there's- And I put it in there, and I initial it and sign the contract and send it back to them. There's a- And I say to them, sign it or don't. Yeah. And just say, you guys are meeting, you know, you play over region. Well, no, that's- That's a thought. Joe probably wouldn't recommend. Hey, if they sign it, and- If they initial it and sign it, then it's part of it? Well- And Joe's office uses a payroll. He uses a different- But I'm not saying it's up to you, I'm just letting you know- It's- I've been there- I can't tell you enough. Well, that's a possibility. I do that in the doctor's office when I have to sign all the stuff. You know, I go through and edit what I will agree to and what I don't, and then I sign it. I, yeah. So, and I'm not here saying absolutely no way. You're saying it's felt like, you know, let's take a look at some other possibilities. But- If they say no, we won't change the contract or no, we're not gonna send you a word version. They said they won't change it. They wouldn't change it. Yeah, they're not gonna send you- They're not gonna do either. Yeah. So- But they're gonna apply it. Because, well, we're not big enough. And if they send us a word document, they know we're gonna take it around with it properly. Or say to Ramon, they'd be like- Right, no, I do think that there was something, yeah, we're pretty small potatoes and we're not- You know who else? They work for you? They work for me. They have a lot of contacts, we free. Okay, well, you know one thing I would do? Well, you may not want to bother with this. I don't want to bother with things that are just- Somebody should send a note with a CC to them, to the League of Cities and Towns, and say, this is, you know, as you can see, this is unacceptable. You should notify, let people know. Notify all your members. Notify your members, not to sign this. Well, all right. Maybe- That's a fun idea. That's a very fun idea. Thank you. I feel like I'm using yourself. Mark, when we get everything else done, we'll come back to you. That's right. Right now, we're trying to stay focused. Oh, why are you in my breath? Yeah, I'm working with you. Stay focused on- Next time I have lunch with what's his name, who runs the League- Oh, Ted Brady? Ted, I'll tell them, hey. Okay. I want them to step up for your town. Yeah. There you go. Okay, so that's the updates. Yeah, seven to nine. Yeah. Rich has a couple of- So now, guys, we actually have a chance to go through and just do a quick round robin. The point of this is for people to say, I just want to give everyone an update on something. Rich has a couple of things he wants to mention to us. Denise, I think you might- Yeah, absolutely. One is, Sal for nine, we talked about that, the speed bump we heard last week, I mean, last week, and we have, we checked into, you know how I talked about the groove cable? Grinder, we can grind, we can rent a grinder for like $350 for a day. And groove that instead of putting it in the speed bump, it's, as an interim step, they're a lot safer than a lot of money. You've heard me say that. So I'd like to do that. We've already talked about groove section, space, groove section, you start with like one, or one or two, and then it's three or four. So I could do that. I'd love it. And then what we'll do, you know, we're going to move the radar assigned power leads. It's talking to you, right? Three to 500 feet before the brow, and the groove section starts kind of right there, and goes down, warning for motorcycles, groove cable, and head head. Interesting. We can add that inside, get assigned to those things. So do we feel like we need to warm this change, if do we, it's an expenditure, so. Well, no, no, we bought it on speed bump. That's what I mean. It's an expenditure, so we have to. So it's going to be less expensive. Well, I think we should warm it. Do we have to warm it? Yeah, that's fine. Is it okay? We're going to go ahead and we'll just move the side to begin with. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, I know. Yeah, we don't. Are you okay with the two-week joint? Yeah. Okay. And then, now, that's one. And you have a question, though. Yeah, good. So what is it? Grooming the pavement will reduce its lifespan, right? No. So what's it called? Groove pavement. It's called a groove pavement. Groove pavement and, as alternative, two. Two does, yeah. And then, when it's repaved, we have to groove it. Right, but that's 350 months, you know. Who knows? Maybe, maybe they'll, they'll do it. How long of a section do you go? How many? We'll figure that out for that speed. I mean, you get, you have a gap, you know. It starts as a single or two grooves. And you go a flat gap, and then they're fine. Grooves a whole damn road. Yeah, slow it down. Yeah, hard time to do it. It is like that. The beauty is it's safe. That's right. I feel a lot better. Put it back to you. Alfred had the same concerns I do with you, you know. That's what you've got. Because of the people you talk about coming, you know, coming down there at extreme speed like that. You hit something at speed, but yeah. Right. It doesn't do great things for your truck, but the truck's also out of control, so. Right. You've got it. That kind of was, I was. My word. I was worried about that too. So let's just stay out loud. If we're worried about those things, we shouldn't have approved this speed. Well, we were, this was an intermittent step. Isn't it? We were, and we were doing the top. We were not doing down on the hill, right? Yeah, but now we're after the truck on the hill. Well, we did it by what ways we were paid with, was doing it well above the brow of the head. Okay. So that's the safe spot. It's straight until up there. Okay, so yeah. So we'll warn that for next time. So why is there standing as a speed bump? We were gonna possibly lay down on the dirt section. No, we were going to, and then they weren't doing it on a speed bump. Yeah. No, because I asked, I asked about dirt, and they said, No, we were gonna put it above the brow, beyond the sign. So you see the sign, somebody feet. Yeah. Cause I wondered if we were gonna lay in the ridge and they, these guys said, I can't put them on the ground. Okay, so we're gonna, we're gonna warn that for next time. You have something else to account for. Yes, thank you. Okay. Okay, we're gonna be going up. I've got, for you guys to review, this is that radar sign. I'll just get off the mark. Are these copies for one for each of us? Yeah. Okay, thank you. And I just, what I did is I did two options, four signs, and then two signs. Oh, this is the one pager. And I mixed, I mean, it is. It's beautiful. And then just, I gave a little, oh, I gave it a good. So, I had one for the Spryer. I thought I'd do that for Lisa. Are we working? Did you give Alfred one? Uh, no, I'm gonna give him this. Yeah, I don't think I'll get to see him. We've talked about it, so. Yeah, what I did is, is I set this up in the four package here. The four, there will be four signs and they would be these TS600 signs, which are all of these, which are the ones that we can do with track speed data. Now, I'm gonna do it in configuration. Two of them will be on poles. Back in that package, you'll see the concrete plugs that we've been out on. And that's what we would do on a place like Lightning Ridge. Like we'll set the concrete bases to about 900 bucks a piece. And we'll put two or three at one long grid, Lightning Ridge. And we'll literally unscrew the pole sign periodically and move them base to base. So there'd be two of those that we'd buy. And then we would buy two of the movable pedestals. There's a picture of those in the back. Now, what we wouldn't do is this thing. If you see it, you see the orange round base. Now this net weapon, and we might have to walk it down to do an extra experiment here. But this is the, we won't have this sign on it. We're gonna have the big sign of the solar array that is programmed. This is a battery powered sign. We want to have, we want to actually be able to move this, put it out. We'll have to figure out a way to lock it down and maybe change whatever. But in this, they actually have, because they fan trouble with vandalism on this sign. So they actually have guards on them. I like how it's like to have stuff. Yeah, and I bought a few extra bases in that four. So we have the chiroprate bases. And so we're gonna interpret what I'm seeing here so everyone can be oriented. I'm seeing that you've outlined the exact same proposal, one if we buy four and one if we buy two. So number one is for four and number two is for two. And so other than that, they're exactly the same. I didn't, pretty well. I didn't understand. I thought these were cute. No. No, there's a four signs for $30,000. For $30,000 that is more, they're not, they're movable. But you have bases and then you put them in the base. They're all four movable. Well, no, they're all four movable. The two of the pair are in concrete plugs. It's still movable, it's a lot more difficult. Other ones are on the movable base. So after we can actually use it, we can bridge work, we can get them anywhere around the counter. This is awesome, this is what we need. Let me, so down at the bottom of the second yellow box, this is grand total of four, but that means you meant two there, right? Which one is it now? The second one, it says grand total of four, but you need grand total of two. I meant grand total of two, sorry. Okay, so can I just ask you guys this. So we've had, so we've been carrying speeding on County Road on this agenda for two years, yes. And we've had many pleas and email for us to please, please move it along. Do, and we mentioned earlier, this could be something for the ARPA funds. So let me ask this question. Would we want to consider, given that we've carried this around for two years, would we want to consider warning approving ARPA funds for this before putting it in front of the town in March? I would think that way, I would be so. I don't think anybody, I think they would hug us. Right, I don't think anybody would complain about us buying these signs that we can move around. The only people that might complain are speeders, and they're not going to complain. So do you guys, so do you have to put it on for next agenda? Well can I ask you one thing? Yeah. Like what I was doing was buying basically two or three concrete blocks for Lightning Ridge. Now what we may want to do is spend another couple of grand in 2000 by two other blocks, something for the county road. Because these are that way. I thought we were talking about. We could do, we could use one of the rolling signs, but on the county road it may be worth our having one of these good ones. These are gonna give us our traffic count data, right? Right, so I feel like there's so much energy and you know Doug came and because we're going into executive session he didn't stay. I think this is something people have been pleading for us to do. So this is not. Now we have money to be able to do. Now we have money, it feels like they need us to do something that they're asking us to do. You know, I would suggest this is really visible. We should never at least extend your life. So my point is, I don't feel it needs to be particularly conservative. What do we need that Lightning Ridge for? Yeah. Take this, amplify it to where you're happy. You should have it worn through the next meeting and right into the art of life. What's your thought, John? Well, in addition to this, I think we need to warn speed ordinance amendment and just put 40 in there. Traffic, studying the dam, I am tired of this, you know. I think we just do it. We warn the ordinance amendment. We put 40 up and down, wherever it's 50. Which ordinance are you talking about? We have a traffic control. I remember some years ago the sheriff said, unless you have it in your ordinance, as a warrant ordinance, they can't enforce the speed. Remember we went and we had a bunch of signage out that it was legitimate. All right, they weren't the right height. Well, no, we had speeds like, what's that connector between Lightning Ridge and Tucker by the elementary school. Oh, yeah, I know. That was not a proper. Gray road. The gray road, that was not a properly adopted speed. It was never part of a warned hearing. So anytime you impose a traffic ordinance, that's your part of the warning. I would like for us to order too. Do you wanna work with John on going through the ordinance and make John and Rick correct on it? Yeah, I think we get it. Okay, so I will be in difficult to reach except by email at some point. John and Rick, traffic ordinance. Do you want this on for the first meeting? No, you wanna? I want it last meeting. Yeah, I know. It's the second meeting of September. The first meeting of September. First meeting of September. So that's 12. Okay, but for the next meeting, Rick, I heard Mark, go ahead, make your invitation. I think you should take option one and you should put in it whatever you think you need. If it's a couple more bases, fine. I don't want you to do this right. So I think you should supply the information and we should warn for our next regular meeting, adoption use of ARPA funds to do it. Because I'd like to see us be able to do it like Grinch, put one on number 10 Conroy, where we go two fast and Rick really narrow. Well, West County Road off by Pat, what's your name's house? That's another flat. The Pat Wolters house? 60 miles away. Well, we just the idea with these rolling base. Like myself. We really wanna, I mean, I wanna, they're really super mobile. The other one's, you know. Yeah, you can land. Yeah, I said, you just say can be one person. Well, I think we should get enough mobile things so we can move them around easily rather than being limited to all take them out in the winter. We could buy a full mobile basis and just have a full time. I mean, I think there's some sense of night gone out. I think we're gonna get one of the four let's experiment with these. I actually, now we like the concrete because it's a sense of permanence being there. It does, but it's not very flexible because you can't go do these. No, I get that, but you could take the pull out and put it into the snow. I think on County Road, this makes so simple. So go for it. Yeah, but we have a visibility. You'll want to have two of these. So we still want to have the cement, but then we'll have some carts that. Right, then we can move it. Well, I would say maybe we can. Maybe we can get six or, you know, so we spent 6,000. I'm hearing, I haven't, we're not saying no yet. Yeah, that's what I'm doing with that, if you guys are. So you guys got to do something that's ridiculous, but you're not trying to be conservative. No, no, no, I don't, I think you're hearing, that's where you're hearing no, no, no, no, no need to be conservative. What do we really need? If these work, they add more. You got it. Augment this, it's on the next agenda for use of art with funds. Right. Okay. Anybody, Denise has a couple of things. I want to just do that. Yeah, we will circle back to this. We'll circle. Denise, you have some items for round, round, round. I just have one saying tax bills. Oh, yeah. I have recruited myself, Jan Holson and Mary Rockstad and Barbara Butler offered to help. Very nice. On Thursday, I've made arrangements with Wendy, the member, she's gonna come to the office to be on site, to run the tax bills, we'll stuff, we'll discuss it Thursday. Thursday. We'll do our best. I can't do that. I didn't expect it. Yeah, I didn't expect it. I didn't expect anybody else. I've been kind of on top of this. I've found, I think I've found a lot of good people, really good people to help me. They're smart, you know, Jan can help with some of the stuff, with the list of stuff, with the new property owners, so that'll be good to have her on site. All right, tomorrow is election day. I am on it, I told them, they asked me and I've done it before, it's no big deal. I'll be on call in case somebody else isn't able to show up, somebody comes down sick. I'll be available to show up, I'll go pick up their lunch and make a corner and deliver it to them. Thank you. And I'm going to, at the end of the, I'm around five o'clock, I'm gonna go to the town office, pick up the mail that's in the mailbox and I'm going to open the drop box and bring any un, you know, bring the ballots here. They gave me the key, they left it for me tonight. It's here, okay. So those are the two things, everybody knows what's going on. Thank you. I do have just a couple of good pieces of good news on some of you know, Denise certainly knows the permit application for the, file, yes, paid for, filed, and looked at it. And they're handled to them and everybody's happy. The second is that the bids for the East Chalice Store went out to, Yeah, well they were advertised and as of today, they are available on the website of the company that's going to construct. Yeah. Yeah. So that's a terrific step forward. That was only possible because we are almost certain, not absolutely certain, we're not only a commitment of a construction loan from the Vermont Community Global Fund, 4% fixed, so no matter what happens to interest rates, which is really great news, right? Not that's not permanent financing, that's just like a line of credit for construction. Right. So that's all I wanted to say. We'll tell you long. Texting our attorney, the woman who used to own the big white gulping just texted me and we're going to be contacting. This is on, you know, the cameras come on. Yeah, that's right. All right. Our attorney, Joe McClain, tomorrow morning, I'm texting her already and discussing this, I was looking forward to that. So. Okay, great. She expressed interest in re-acquiring the books that she sold to be, to actually launch it. So, we're going to work on that. Okay. We're kind of perfect. I don't think I have anything that I need to chime in on. Yeah, Lisa said she would do the minutes from the recording. How soon? You don't have to get that posted. Oh, a couple days, I don't think. Okay. Okay, I'll let her know. Website, great. Okay, so yeah, so we have a few items teed up for the 22nd that you can see on the advanced list of items. We've added two or three tonight. I guess one thing we should circle back to, we're going to post the position for Public Works Director. Do we want, and that one, but yes. But do we want to schedule an interview with the one candidate that we have? I'd like to make it so that it's all of us. Yes, I agree with that, and John's. John's out for the interview. John's, so let's get our, we can do this kind of agenda, planning and email. So let's have a conversation and email about scheduling an interview. And it doesn't have to be, that is what would mean if you do it. Right, we'd have to warn it as a special people. And then go into the second session for the interview. So just be watching your email for some activity I'm trying to schedule. Somebody mentioned that you need to first email. This is not on my account. It is, it is a joint meeting with the fire department. I have materials. I've asked them to share them with everybody, but that seems to be against their sense of order. So I have to forward to everybody. I don't know if I can make that. I have a meeting on my canceled. I sent everybody to. No, I sent them an email and said, we have it down in our meeting, do you have? They sent it only to me. I know. That's, yeah. Yeah, we're gonna have to ask them to do that, because I had sent them an email. Maybe that's what prompted it. Who knows? I have it. I'm sorry that you all don't have it. But it's a joint meeting with the fire department and the East Point players like we're on Thursday night. Okay, so guys, we're meeting again. Yeah, we're meeting on Wednesday in special meeting for a few house to the items that we teed up. It's at six o'clock. We will begin by going into executive session for a personnel item roll. I wanna make sure somebody's available to review this special. Are you gonna be available to look at the agenda to make sure I got it? I didn't, I got it. But now it's not scale, yeah. Now we got more, so I just wanna make sure I get everything ready. Yes, I will. I do, yeah. I have clients, I have, you know, my life tomorrow, but yes. All right, is there a motion to adjourn? So moved. So moved. Yeah, all in favor? Aye. Okay. Okay.