 In this episode of the Mind Pump, we answer fitness questions, but we also have fun in the introductory portion. This is where we talk about current events, studies, we talk about our sponsors and what's going on in our life. So here's what we talked about in this episode. We start out by talking about how Mind Pump is going mainstream. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. We got lots of people listening to the show. We're breaking through, everybody. Now that don't really care about fitness, but they're listening anyway. Yes. Then I talked about the messages I've been getting from construction workers who are getting benefits from using four-sigmatic cordyceps. As you know, construction workers tend to work outside, either in the blazing heat or the freezing cold. And I've speculated with myself that taking four-sigmatic cordyceps helps me with heat and cold acclimation. This is why I think it may improve athletic performance, where these people are messaging me saying it works, which is kind of cool. Now four-sigmatic is one of our sponsors. If you go to four-sigmatic, that's F-O-U-R-S-I-G-M-A-T-I-C dot com forward slash Mind Pump, and use the code Mind Pump, you will get 15% off at checkout. Then we talked about the movie Willow on Disney Plus. Willow was a great movie back in the, I think it was the 90s? Dude, it was the best. Great movie. Make sure you check that out. Matt Mulligan. Then I talked about the crazy market for mattresses and how some of them are trying to compete with like chili technology. So chili pads go on your mattress and they heat, they can heat up your bed or cool your bed down with water so you're not getting a bunch of EMF. The perfect temperature. And it will maintain temperatures while mattress companies are now trying to compete. But they can't because chili is the best. Now we have a discount for chili pads through Mind Pump. So here's what you do. Go to chilitechnology.com forward slash Mind Pump and use the code on the page to get a massive discount. Then we talked about how we messed up the name Cristiano Ronaldo, you know, the most famous athlete in the world. Who's that guy? Yeah, I was relying on my sports, my sports co-host here and they messed up the name. So I did because I don't know what sports are. Wow, that was embarrassing. And then Justin talked about one of his favorite subjects, fish in particular, combined actually two of his favorite. Penis fish. Penis fish. Kind of weird. That's the best. Then we talked about football at the movies. That's going to be interesting. We'll see if that makes any money. Then we got into answering the questions. Here's the first question. This person says, look, I've heard that as you get older, you should use light weight and go higher reps to prevent injury. Is there any truth to that? So we talk all about lifting heavy as you age and whether or not you should stay away from it or utilize it. Next question. This person wants to know how many hours of cardio you can do each week and still see muscle gain. If you listen to our podcast, you know that too much cardio can prevent your muscle, your body from building muscle and getting stronger. So we talk a little bit about the right amount, the right dose. The next question, look, this person wants to know if the following statement is true. If you don't use it, you lose it. That's an old fitness statement. But believe it or not, it's one of the most true statements in fitness and we break that down. And the final question. This person wants to know if we have speculated that there's any bubbles in any industry that we think will be bursting soon. Also this month maps aesthetic. This is the aesthetic focused workout program. Now what does that mean by aesthetics? Looks. It's all about your looks. So this program is designed to help you shape, sculpt and build your body how you see fit like a sculptor. So again, it's an aesthetic focus program. It's bodybuilder physique competitor and bikini competitor inspired. This program is 50% off. It's half off this month only. Here's how you get that massive discount. Go to maps black.com and use the code black 50 B L A C K 5 0 no space for the discount. Man, I'm so happy right now. Why? How happy are you? I'm going to my cousin's house over the weekend, which that's part of the reason why I'm happy. I love them. Good people. Cousin's sep and his wife, Sarah and their beautiful children. But anyway, so we're there. We're hanging out and my cousin, Sarah, she's like, Oh, my parents love your podcast. I'm like, what these people are not fitness people at all. Now they, I'm sure they take care of themselves and stuff, but they're obviously older. I'm not quite sure how old they are, but they're in their, I'm assumed they're in their sixties, early sixties. They're not fitness fanatics, trainers, anything like that. They listen to the Bishop Baron episodes and now they listen to mine pump and they love it. You know what that means? What's that? We're reaching the people that have been unreachable by the fitness industry. Mainstream least in your family, that's even harder. No bias. I agree. I agree. I've had a few of those too. So yeah, I could contribute. Bro, family is the hardest part. These are the hardest people to get to listen to. I know. They're the worst. They're the worst. Yeah. But the fact that the, that here's a couple. I know who you really are. Here's a couple who is funny. Yeah. Yeah. I get that a lot. Yeah. Screw you. You think you're funny? You're doing something cool? Yeah. I'm not supporting. No, here are two people. They're, you know, over the age of 55, they're not fitness fanatics. They're not trainers. They're not in the fitness space. And they listen to the podcast and they enjoy it. And boy, the hardest thing, come on, tell me right now, what's the hardest thing for the fitness industry to do? What's the most, what's the most difficult thing that they always are trying to do? Yeah. To reach the average person. To reach the everyday average person. Because otherwise they're just trade, you know, gyms used to call it trading members. You know, like I sign this person up and then they stop and they go to your gym and then you sign them up and then you, you know, they buy this program. They buy that program. Well, it's repulsive to like an average person that has no interest at all because it just seems like you're just trying to get them to do work, you know, like that's the biggest barrier right away is to be like, well, you know, you have to like really pitch them the benefits of it and why it's so important, all this stuff. But it's still just like, yeah, unless you get their attention. Oh, I love it because it means, because here's what ends up happening. This is the beauty of it. You're not a fitness fanatic. You're not somebody that's super into working out. You don't work in the fitness space, but you found somebody in the fitness space that is either, I don't, whatever, entertaining enough or impactful enough or whatever that you actually enjoy hearing them talk naturally by osmosis, you can slowly start to make an impact on that person in a positive way and get them to change behaviors, change how they eat, change their, maybe start to exercise, you know, start to learn things about fitness. Why do you think that's possible today and it different than like two decades ago? Why is that so different? You think I think it's because in the past that the bandwidth was so limited with media that if you went, if you heard fitness information, it was very specific fit. Like you'd have to buy a fitness magazine or a bodybuilding magazine or something like that. I think the bandwidth is so, and also to our credit, I'm going to pat myself on the back a little more or our backs. Thanks. We've had, we've had guests on the show that people would maybe on the outside think has nothing to do with fitness, which brings, you know, because that's how they first listen to our show was Bishop Barron, who, you know, someone would say he has nothing to do with fitness and health, which we know spiritual health definitely contributes to, you know, to overall health, but here that, you know, people who have nothing to do, want nothing to do with working out, they're not, I don't care too much about it, whatever, they come in and they listen to an episode with him or an episode with a psychologist or an economist or, you know, other guests that we've had that had nothing to do. And then they hear us and then hopefully they like us and then they start listening to more and I think it works. I think today it's more, I think people are seeking health and fitness more today than two decades ago. And I think two decades ago, if you were at a gym membership, you were the, you know, hardcore gym goer, you were into your body and you wanted to get super fit or maybe you were into sports. And so that's why there was an ulterior motive there. Besides just overall health and wellness. I think that most people know now that we suffer from, you know, chronic obesity, diabetes, cancer. I think more the common person now is way more afraid of the potential harm they could do themselves because of lack of exercise and poor eating. And so I think more people are just seeking or interested, even if they don't want to, like, even if you don't really like, I'm not, I don't care about my body. I'm not trying to get ripped. I don't give a shit about that. But I do know that, you know, if I eat poorly, and I don't exercise for long term, this could head down where I felt like that wasn't really it two decades ago or more, just more awareness. Yeah, more, there's so much awareness around the importance of exercise and eating correctly today, than just two decades ago. I think you're right. I think that's a big part. You're right. People are more aware and there's less stigma around different forms of exercise. Lifting weights, for example, there's still a stigma around lifting weights, but it's not no, nowhere. I mean, you know, 20 years ago, if a woman said to her husband or to her friends, yeah, I'm thinking about lifting weights, they would go why? Yeah, why are you going to lift weights? You're trying to be a bodybuilder. You don't you don't hear that as much. So I think you're right. I think the the timing is probably right for real and when I say real fitness and health, what I mean is fitness and health as it applies to everyday average people who are not fanatics, who just generally want to improve their lives. Because in the past, you're right, it was more so fitness fanatics that we're going to speak to. To me, that's really what's wrong with the the message that's coming from and your post that stirred up all that controversy. I think the part that a lot of people are missing of your point, too, is that, you know, for the longest time, these people, even the ones that we're giving good advice, right, even the ones in our space are giving out they're still speaking to an echo in an echo chamber. They're talking to other people that already really want to work out and already are really motivated to train. They're just off the motivation right now and they need some hype or some they need a new study to show doing it in different ways better. You know, I'm saying to just get re-energizing about the gym. They're not the average person. They're not there. They're there. And so you have this community in our space between the PhDs, the coaches, the body, the models, the athletes, and they're all talking to each other. They're all and they're all, you know, what, you know, creating their own little silos and, you know, modalities and my ways better than your way. And yet, all fighting over the same, what, 12% of our, you know, 12 maybe it's nothing inherently wrong with that, if that's what you want to do. But our goal from day one was how do we reach those people that have zero interest? They still need to help. Well, yeah, and I think to back back in the day, like people used to like idolize all these like professional athletes, and then they would, there'd be examples of bodybuilders out there that were just like huge and ripped and like everybody could recognize that and be impressed by that. But it was always like, Oh, well, that's for them. You know, there was never really a message just for your average person of like how to lift weights, you know, appropriately and how to have that benefit you from a health perspective. And I think that that's been something that like has really needed to come to the forefront because it just seems like, well, yeah, I see all these people on Instagram, they all look awesome. They're all doing this stuff. But it's like, how does that relate to me? Yeah, what we're trying to do is for lack of a, actually, I think this is one of the best terms is fitness and health evangelization. It really is. And I'm using that term because that term is often used with religion. Now, let's use let's think of religion for a second. How effective are religious leaders at getting people to walk in their churches, their synagogues or their their groups when they beat you over the head with their, you know, Bible, yeah, it doesn't in fact, it pushes you away. The most effective way to evangelize is to be the example and be somebody that that person wants to be around. And then it starts to happen. So with fitness evangelization, and I was guilty of this, I'm sure you guys were too. That's what I did. I walked around and I preached to everybody and I told them tons and tons of information. It was super ineffective. Instead, what I try to do now is not only be the example, but beat somebody, somebody be the kind of person someone wants to be around and hang around and listen to. And so I think we may be doing that well with the podcast. I'm very proud of that. I think that because this is now, these are not only people who I know who are family, but they're not fitness fanatics. And these aren't the first people that I've heard who have started listening to the podcast who otherwise wouldn't seek out and we know what they say to me. I haven't had a chance to talk to her parents, but I've heard this from other people. You know, I've heard of people say, I don't really care about fitness. I just like listening to you guys. I think it's great. I think what you guys talk about is awesome. It's funny or whatever. And I'm thinking in my head, like, you know, I'm kind of like rubbing my hands like the evil laugh like, oh, you just wait. Oh, we're going to fitness smuggle you. Yeah, we're going to get you. We're going to get you, you know, but it's fuck. That's what we need to do because, you know, the health epidemic that we're dealing with is not an epidemic that's dealing with the fitness fanatics. The fitness epidemic, the health epidemic is coming from people who want nothing to do with working out. Nothing at all. They want nothing at all to do with it. They don't care. And part of the reason why, and there's a big portion of those people, there's a portion of those people that never will and don't give a fuck. And that's a fact. Sure. But there's a large portion of those people that are avoiding it because it just seems so nuanced. Because it seems, oh my God, I got to be in the gym for an hour every single day and hammering me and measure all my food. Yes, carry all the shit around. Because everything they've heard is coming from the people who are communicating to fitness fanatics. Right. That's the wrong information. Yeah. If I'm somebody who is just stuck in my own bubble, don't care about that kind of stuff. I'm busy. I got kids. I got a job. I'm stressed out and whatever. And I'm in the stage of unconscious incompetence, literally meaning I don't know what I don't know, which is where most of these people are. And then I hear that message. You know what that's going to do to me? It's going to confirm my false beliefs. That's not for me. Yeah. That's none of that. That's for them. Totally. So when I heard that, and I don't know if my cousin realized how happy that made me to hear that. Yeah. But when she said that, I was like, oh, yes. Making progress. We're working. Anyway, it's more interesting stuff. Right. So you will never believe the group of people that I'm getting tons of DMs on on one of the products that we promote. It's somebody, a group of people you wouldn't even consider. Well, first give me the product and then I give ease. Okay. So cordyceps from Forcigmatic. Okay. So who do you think is DMing me like crazy? Computer engineers. No, bodybuilders. No, no, no. I wouldn't believe it. It's a stupid guy. He's saying I'm trying to go outside. Okay. Fair enough. So you guys know how I speculated that fighter pilots? No. So you guys are done. We've had them reach. Yeah, you've done guessing. Fine. Two. So far off. So just look up at the notes that Doug read up there. So you guys know, you know, I can't read. You know how I speculated far that cordyceps helps with temperature acclimation. Remember, I told you I would take cordyceps. I'd go to the gym. I'd do the steam room in the sauna. And I just noticed I could last way longer. Yeah. And I also noticed this with cold showers. I just seem to be able to stay in there longer. I feel like this is part of the reason why cordyceps improves performance because one of the ways that and why it's and it's it's mostly endurance that I noticed are stamina because you know, as you guys work, start working out and you start to heat up or whatever that saps your energy or whatever. So I'm like, I wonder if that's one of the main ways it impacts performance. I looked up studies. There was some studies that kind of point in that direction, but I haven't seen anything specific. But this is what I've experienced. It's like, I take cordyceps and I could just handle heat and I can handle core cold much better. So I talked about in the podcast a couple of times. I've gotten at least 15 dm's from construction workers. Oh, really? Really? Yes. Beating out the sun all day long. They're not even using it to work out. Yeah, there's using a beating in the sun all day long. In the sun or the cold. And they're like, dude, I'm outside and the beating sun. I remember that and I could just work. I just frost in the morning, you're freezing your hands off everything and then it gets hot, you know, mid day. Yes. That's crazy. Yeah. So if all the people was it you that was telling me that you use to throw the burrito on the dashboard dashboard burritos, shout out to any of the construction workers with that method. It's good. I remember going to work with my dad and, you know, I'm 14 years old. So my job is to fucking wash the tools every time they get the mud on them or whatever. That's a that's a word for to a washer. And so I go outside in a freezing ass morning in San Francisco will be doing jobs up there and they have to go outside and spray off the trowel and shit with the hose. Oh, yeah. That's what I decided right there. Yeah, I hate this. This is for me. I want to talk for a living. I don't want to move my body or a living super, super, super hard. Anyway, dude, the court of steps that I was watching like some of these documentaries and watching how like, you know, the ants and like a couple of these other insects, how the court of steps actually take them over and they become like zombies. That's how they that's how it works. So it's catapult caterpillars. Back up explain that. It's a fungus. It's a fungus that like takes over these insects and the court goes all the way up. Yeah, to their brain and like like takes over. It's it's a parasitic parasite. Yeah, it's a parasitic fungus, but somehow benefits us. This is what I'm trying to get out. Like, how does that like, like what what is the relation there? It literally so we're to them and grows out. Okay, so that's where they harvest it from. I don't know if they harvest the same kind either. No, it is. Is it? Yeah, but I don't I don't think that's where they're harvesting it from. I don't think they have a bunch of caterpillars that they but that's what they that's what I'm wondering. Yeah, no, that's what it does though. That's very interesting. Yes. Why? Why caterpillars? Do you know? Well, you have to ask fucking. Yeah, I don't know. You got to watch reader of all this. Yeah, where did you see that? Where did you see that? It was just on a nature documentary. They're like somewhere. I don't know if it was a rainforest, but there was like this this colony of ants. And then one of them got like a court of steps that took over and like made its way to the highest position there to where I think a bird came down and then like and ate it. And so that way it was able to then spread it further, you know, through its dung. It influences the the the insect to climb to the highest peak or whatever it is. So it's very visible for a bird to come eat it and then sit there and attract a bird to eat it so that I can get spread. Yeah, it's crazy. Total. That is crazy. Have you seen? Have you watched the nature the nature, not nature channel, but I forget what they call it. No, no, no, no, it's it's Disney's version on Disney Plus. Oh, yeah. Have you watched the nature one? What they do? So it's just like, what are the fucking favorite ones? Planet Earth or whatever. But they they narrate it and they tell a story. So it's very Disney-esque. Oh, right. So instead of just like watch, you know, kids watching when you watch Planet Earth or one of the Nat Geo ones, right? You you're watching it and it's feels very educational, right? It's just if they just where they they tell a story, they give the names to the animals, but then they're still they're educating at the same time. It's brilliant. Oh, dude. So I went through like Disney Plus. So now they've added all the old movies and cartoon movies and everything else. I'm so excited because now you have like this, you know, more more options. And so we actually saw Willow was one of the options. Bro, I used to love that movie. Dude, is it as good as it was when we were younger? Okay, so there's a lot of them like you go back, you watch like Never Ending Story, you watch and you're kind of like, this is dude, Willow holds up. Oh, good. Well, and I guess like George Lucas actually wrote, you know, the script and like was part of the production of I think Ron Howard might have been the director. That was one of my favorite movies when I was growing up. Dude, it was great. It was it was it was funny because you know why it was great was because they didn't use like barely any CGI. I mean, it was kind of cheesy. Like any the CGI's they used, you know, they had like a background screen you could tell it was like, you know, like a shot ahead of time in there in front of it kind of a thing, but everybody was in costume. You couldn't see that just 10 years ago. TV's are so clear now. Yeah, it gives away totally tell. It's not just that, but you're so used to it holding different quality that you look back and you're like, oh, this is the number. Do you guys ever watch Jason and the Argonauts, the old one? Yeah, it kind of has that weird like clunky. It's all claymation claymation kind of feel. When I first watched that as a kid, I was like, Oh, the dragon in it that the troll that turns into dragon kind of had that feel. But it was just funny because it had all these lines in there that are hilarious. My kids were dying and it made me think of how like remember like the conversation we had about how it nicknames for our friends that were fucked up. Yeah. So we had one guy in our group that was like shorter than everybody else. And so we called them Ben the Peck. Oh, I was like, I feel so bad about that now, you know, like, like in the in the movie, he keeps calling them Peck because they're like, you know, the small people like, like basically, oh, that's so fucked up. Oh, dude, I'm sure that's where the nickname came from, too, right? I'm sure. Well, yeah, well, yeah. Yeah. But anyway, yeah, it was like totally derogatory, you know, and I'm like calling this this poor kid in in elementary school, a Peck, you know, and I'm like, oh, and you guys were friends. Yeah, we're friends. But he loved it. Yeah. He was like, or he made you think. I love it. Almond cried, goes on my cries about it. That's terrible. Just like we all do. I watched Disney Plus over the weekend also. And I watched one of those nature shows that you were talking about. Oh, you did. And this one wasn't narrated, I don't think, but it was the most fucked up nature show I've ever seen in my entire life. Ever. Why? Well, first off, it opened with something really cool. There was a snow leopard that was hunting a mountain goat. I think it was in the snow leopard jumps across a ravine. Okay. Tackles the the goat and then they both tumble down the mountain and die, but they fall and fall and fall and dead. And I'm like, this is insane. Like the snow leopard took a chance and they both died. Then they brought them to the next scene was where these birds that were on the top of the same mountain. I don't remember. I think it was the Himalayas. It might have been the Himalayas. They're on the top of this huge mountain or whatever. Yeah. And the little chicks are like, you know, just growing or whatever. And it's time to fucking leave. It's time to leave the the nest or whatever. So these little chicks fucked up. They have little wings that barely don't even work. And they just jump off the cliff and the camera follows them. No. Just fall and you see the little chick like trying to flap its wings, but it can't fly. Boom. Boom. It's the rocks. Boom. Boom. Keeps falling down dead. Dude, it is a cruel reality. Then the next one is a Disney Disney. Then the next one does the same thing. He just watched his brother fall to the next one does the same thing. I can do it. Bro, five chicks, five chicks and the cameras following and fall down the fucking mountain. You see the little heads get smashed. This is really on Disney. Yes, dude. Then if then it gets to the sixth one and for whatever reason, the sixth one smashes all the way down the mountain and survives. And that's the one that lived. I'm like, that's fucked up. That's a fucked up story right there. That is. What were you? Are you sure that's on Disney 100% 100% you don't mean it's it's it's real life. Yeah. And I'm thinking to myself, like, didn't they couldn't they evolve a better way to like, I guess what they did is they evolved like one out of six chance. Ever. Yeah, whichever one survives is strong enough. They literally just followed it just bing off the rock, bing, bing, and it's a little chick. I saw that with like elephant seals where they like made their way to high ground and there was this like huge cliff and like just to get space, they kept knocking off like all these other ones and you'd see these huge blobs of fat just like it was horrific. You guys follow that page on Instagram. Nature is metal. Yeah. Oh, it's just one of my favorite. It's always showing fucked up shit. It's all your vegan friends. It's pretty horrible. Yeah. Nature's nothing to do. Anyway, I was talking to my brother and my brother is like Mr. I don't know what you want to call him. He researches the fuck out of anything that he buys because he's always trying to save, you know, five dollars. Doesn't matter. And I appreciate that about him. In fact, I'll ask him about products and I'll say, Hey, what do you think about this? Because I know the guy has gone through and done hours of research to find the best value, the best deal, whatever. So I was telling him about the chili pad because so he's got this girlfriend that just started kind of living with him and they're going to find a new apartment and he, my brother's a heater and she you know, gets too hot sleeping next to him or whatever. So they're trying to figure. So I'm like, dude, get the chili pad. He can control the temperature. You can heat one side up. You can cool the other side up and you know, whatever. So he's like, oh, he's like, oh, yeah, I'll look into it. So this can't do I'm telling him already. I'm like, this is the best. Trust me. This is why we work with them. They're the best fuck. This guy's been researching for like a week and he's but you know what though, I didn't realize that there's that the mattress market is trying to respond to products like the chili pad because they have they have changed the market. They've disrupted the market so much. Were they trying to build it into like the mattresses? Mattress companies are trying to figure out ways to include it because and you think about it. If you're a mattress company and you see this other company, you just start to take off. Yeah, you're thinking, oh, this may be a way. Oh, you're too late. I didn't realize a mattress market was so insanely competitive. Oh, yeah. Yeah, big money too. Huge money. Yeah, huge. So he's showing me all the different things and he ended up saying that the best value, which is what I told him, which makes me annoyed, but whatever, take all the time in the world. The best value is to get a really good mattress and then throw a chili pad on it. It's the best. It's the best. I mean, is it is it really a stereotype? I don't know one girl that like wasn't like freezing at night. Well, the you know, if the guy sleeping next to her is like really hot. It's like that's just like seems to be always the case because even for me and Courtney, she's like freezing. So now in the winter, she uses it like she's using it just to heat up. I'm like, I'm good. I'm like cracking the window. You're perfect. You're pretty extreme, though. You and Adam are just silly. Yeah, I mean, there's there's extremes of it. I think a lot of muscle generally. Yeah, that's a lot of muscle. Yeah, it could be a good mass. Could be muscle. Could be impressive. Insulating body fat. Yeah, it could be some of that weaved in there. Yeah, just and I, we go straight for the AC since we get into the hotel room. Yeah, man. I know. Drop it all the way to the floor and you guys both snore each other to sleep, apparently. I don't you know, I'm hitting miss on that. Like, did I say I'm on my back? You and I were just you and I were just together. Yeah, you snore. Oh, I did. If you don't snore, you breathe like Darth Vader. So you might not be. Yeah, you might not be snoring, but I'm like, dude, we need to we need to open up that airway. Really? Yeah, it does happen. That's weird. I can treat this as I don't, but maybe she's lying to me, you know, Courtney snores. So, you know, she's she's trying to throw me under the bus and I caught her on record. Did you know you had to? Yeah, I did because she kept making fun of me. I'm like, dude, look, you snore. Like, don't I'm not the only one here to see recorded it. Yeah, I recorded played it back. She's so mad. Speaking of getting made fun of that, we I we have I must have got I'm sure you guys did too. If I got at least a handful of these DMs about Ronaldo's first name. Yeah, it's Cristiano. Fucking the sports guys. What? The sports guys. Oh, we're talking about soccer. I said it wrong. Oh, it's a count. Oops. It doesn't count. We don't care about that here. Yeah, I said I said it wrong because of you guys. Oh, OK, I see. You said it wrong first and you're my authority. Yeah. Sports. Sports. You know what I'm saying? Listen, if you quote a study wrong, you can blame it on me. OK. I mean, it might as well be cricket to me. I mean, I'm sorry. Yeah. No, it's as much as I know about soccer. There's a big difference between Christian Ronaldo and Cristiano. Is it really? It's kind of the same. He's only one of the highest paid athletes ever. No, he's the most famous athlete in the world right now. Right now, that's funny. He was thinking about coming on the show. Yeah. It's like, no, you get my name right. He's like, fuck those guys. Yeah, forget it. Do you guys, what was that that news article about the penis fish? Yeah, dude. So up in like some beach up in Northern California, like there was just littered with all of these like worms that looks just like flesh fleshy penises. What? Like all over the beach? No, I've not seen it. I guess this has happened to in Moss Landing and like locally around here, like there was a big storm that came through and like just brushed up all of these. How did you guys hear memes? Worms everywhere. And it just so happened to bring it near the San Francisco area. Yeah, exactly. Oh, like, oh, sweet irony. Oh, wow. Yeah. Those are weird. Yeah, they're just they're fleshy colored in everything. People of the. Yeah, there was there were millions that washed up just a bunch of excited people just running to the beach. Hours later, they were all gone. Yeah, yeah. This is weird. Yeah, it looks like a. Oh, yeah, it looks straight up like a. It's a fish. Yeah, well, they call it a fish. But yeah, it's like a worm. Well, how funny. So let's just be straight up. Let's say we're 15 year old friends were on the beach. You find one of these. You're for sure throwing it at your friend's face. A hundred percent. For sure, you're slapping your friend in the face with this thing. I'm putting it on somebody's chair at school. How did I? How did I miss this? This is hilarious. Yeah, you're always up and up on the penis shaped stuff. No, that's just. I just draw it. So I got my cousin shared this article. I'm in this group thread with like all my cousins and they always share the weird shit. So they shared this article. Yeah. And so I they always they look to me like, what is that? You know, so I made up the story. So I'm like, oh, this is fucking crazy. I'm like that fish. It's a parasitic fish. If you're swimming in the ocean without like swim trucks and it gets it'll enter you. It actually goes inside your penis. Oh, wow. Yeah, it goes in. My cousin freaked out. That's why I don't go in the water. That's why there's invaders in there. That's why they're going there. Dude, you're abusing your privileges as ambassador of health. Yeah. You guys are going to have to take that sweater. Sweater back. I want a hat. I don't want to sweater. I want like a I still want you like a sash like it's you know, if you want it. No, I want a bit. Yeah, that's a sash and a big like a fuck weird looking hat. You know, did you see in the form somebody posted the shared the movie the football and football at the theaters, which I talked about. I think I talked about this a couple of years ago. You did predict this. You did. So when you could watch a game at the movie. Yeah. So everyone's and you get they do this thing, which is pretty smart, right? Where you you pay your ticket and then it gives you, you know, X amount of dollars towards popcorn and soda and everything like that. That's all day long thing, too, by the way, like football starts 10 in the morning, doesn't end till six o'clock at night. You have the sounds to meet so so smart by the part of me is like stupid. Who's going to go there? What? And then I just thought to myself all the husbands, all the bros, all the husbands out there who are like, ah, honey, yes, today, you know, today's football day. I'm going to be up to theater with 100 percent right all day. Yeah. Sure. I put in the schedule. You know, right there. It's been in there for three weeks. Anyway, I'll see you later. Sitting in there. No, I can't. So I was looking it up and there, you know, it tells you what theaters that's doing it. And we though there's one in San Jose. I think it's something they're like testing right now. I don't think this has been going for very long. And I think they've scheduled out. So they also do fights. They've already been doing. Yeah, I've seen that for a while. And they also do. I love that. They do opera and other type of performances. So you could go to the you could go to the theater and watch like the symphony or ballet or opera. I think the movie theaters are really trying to figure out a way to pivot because their home entertainment systems. Well, and now, OK, so I still have yet to read an article that that explains this more. But I knew this was happening. And that was I've seen more and more movies hit the theater and then the turnaround for it to be streaming is way faster. Yeah, it used to be six months. Used to be a six if you saw a movie in the theater, you could you wouldn't be able to see it for six months later until it hit video cassette or whatever. It's because it's because you know what it is. If it really boils down to this, the movie theater forever used to be the middle man. They used to be the middle man that delivered the product for a long time. You didn't have TV in your house. So if you want to watch anything, you had to go to the theater. And then the way that they maintained that that middle man, you know, position was the atmosphere, the quality of the sound. And then the way they maintained it was that's how you got a movie first. But movies make a lot of money now through streaming and stuff. It's interesting to there's. So Jane Silent Bob, you know, like that whole movie franchise and everything. Like so I guess they've like did a reboot and shot a movie, but like planned it out as an event thing. So they got like, we're going to be at this location at this, you know, city and it's going to be in this theater. And so they did it like as like a tour. So that way, like people would show up and then they did like a Q&A at the end of the of the film. And they'd show the film. And so they'd get all these like ticket sales that way. And then they just toured around. And I guess they're going to release the full thing eventually. But that was like their their plan. So that's interesting. So okay, wait, let me get this straight. So they're going around almost like a comedian tours. Yes. And doing live shows. Yeah. But also recording that whole process. So they so they're watching the movie. They're sitting in there watching the movie with the fans that are watching the movie. Then afterwards, what movie though, they have a kid, Jane Silent Bob, a new one. Yeah, new one. Oh, okay. Yeah. Oh, that's interesting. And then they planned Kevin Smith. Yeah, the guy. And then they planned to shoot all of that content. And then no, they're just doing a live of them. They made a live event out of it. So people buy tickets to go watch the movie, but then they have a Q&A at the end. And then they tour the next city. Okay, I get it. I get it to make sure that this thing sells out every time. Like you show up for a live exactly to see the actual actors and you're going to go watch the movie. They're not doing like a broad. I like it in all theaters. That's really smart. Actually, boom, boom, boom. Wow. What if this starts to spread? You see actors doing this? That'd be cool. I mean, they're there like as you watch the movie at the end, you can kind of hang out with them. It's kind of cool. That makes sense. Especially Jane, that movie called Jay and Silent Bob. Yeah. That one has a cult bit of a cult. It is totally more of the cult classic. Yeah. So there's certain movies that do that, right? Like the Rocky Horror Picture Show. Well, that it makes sense for independent films. If you're a film, if you're not like mainstream, that because that doesn't make sense for Tom Cruz to come down and do that after Mission Possible 30. Yeah, it doesn't make sense for him to Is that the next one? It's probably at the 60. Yeah, I don't know if there's fucking so many of them. I don't even know how many they have. They just keep milking the shit out of you. He's killing it, though. But I mean, it doesn't make sense, right? For him to come down and do that to try and hustle tickets. But if you're someone who's like, I mean, if someone like us made a movie, we'd have to do something like that, right? We'd have to cater to our audience, go to like our live events, and then you release it. Oh, that's a good idea. Yeah. No, maybe we'll make mine pump a movie. Stupid. Anyway, most boring movie ever. Yeah, it's a good time. Yeah, it's a good time. Our first question is from Hans Mama's, New York. My head trainer states that as you get older, you should use a lighter weight and higher reps to help prevent injury from going too heavy. Is there any truth to that? I think there's a little bit of truth to it. It's not entirely true. At the end of the day, of course, it all boils down to the individual. But the truth that this statement contains really has to do more with the risk factors associated with lifting heavy, the heavier you lift, the more you know, when you're training the low rep ranges, just because you're handling heavier weight, the risk of injury can be higher in regards to poor form. So if your form is off by a little bit and you're using lightweight, the risk of injuries lower than if your form is off a little bit with heavy weight for obvious reasons, right? If I'm overhead pressing a weight that I can only do five reps with and my form goes off a little bit, the compensation that's needed to correct my form and right in the in the moment is much higher. I think for when you first like start with an older client, I think this is a really good advice. Like if you like, let's say someone comes in and they're you know, 60 years old and never really weight trained. I might train this way for quite a while to get the reps, the practice, you know, because I don't want to take that much risk. Although I know that eventually getting them to where I'm making them lift heavy, heavy enough to where it's challenging for five reps is going to be extremely beneficial. So while they're getting there, but if I had a client who hires me and they're, you know, 60, but they've been weight training for five years this way, lightweight, they've probably put a lot of practice, they probably squat pretty decent, they probably shoulder press pretty decent because if they've been doing it for five years and high repetitions, they've got a lot of practice of those movements. And then I would feel a lot safer with progressing them to heavier weight, if that makes sense. Yeah, the operative term here is appropriate. Okay, so should older people not do any, you know, agility training at all because agility training is higher risk? Well, no, they just have to do appropriate agility training that may look like you know, hopping in place a little bit. So heavy weight, low reps as a trainer, form has got to be perfect. And it has to be appropriate to the client because here's the benefits of lifting heavy. Obviously, if it's a new way of lifting for the person, they're going to build more muscle gain more strength. But there's also a skill involved with lifting a weight that's heavy, you have to learn how to summon that kind of strength. And there's a lot of beneficial carry over, but it has to be done appropriately. So I think when any time you're training someone who's older, you have to place special care on being maybe a little bit more meticulous about perfect form and listening to their bodies. You know, so if I'm training a 20 year old and they're telling me like my hip felt a little funny after last week's squat, I'm going to treat that differently than if my 65 year old client you know, says that my 65 year old client says that I'm going to air way more on the side of safety than with somebody who's you know, 20 years old or whatever. So appropriate is the is the key term here. Absolutely. And I I totally agree with all that. I think if we're going into aging, if we're like looking at somebody that's like prepping towards, you know, how can I sort of slow down the aging process and look more towards obviously strength is one of those things that we're going to, you know, highlight is the utmost importance. One thing I've been convinced of lately even more so is, you know, the need and the necessity for fast twitch type movements and to be able to maintain and sustain that ability, mainly because, you know, these quick, reactive type movements are things in real life. Like these are things that have the most potential for injuries, like to occur. And so to be able to maintain just that ability and to the appropriate amount, just like you said, Sal, like it could just look like I'm kind of hopping in place. It could look like, you know, a very controlled, you know, light kettlebell. But I'm getting that like snap. I'm expressing that that fast twitch movement. But it's something that I really do need to maintain, you know, within everything else. Yeah, when I when I've trained older people who are rehabbing an injury, oftentimes more often than not, the injury came from like, oh, I was in the shower, I slipped a little bit didn't fall. But I had to catch myself, boom, pull the muscle or tore something. Or I was dropping something. And I went down to grab it real quick. And I hurt myself. Well, this is also why I think stability training stability training became so popular to was for this because when that started coming, when all the studies around the benefits of that started coming out, this is where I think it was most applicable as far as what clients you were training, right? The type of client that this would benefit me. I remember doing stuff where they would be standing on both feet, just hop just to the side laterally, you know, and then stabilize on one foot, then hop to the other side. And something that's so basic and simple like that, it could be huge for a client like this that we're talking about. So I under when like someone who gives this like advice as a head trainer, who's probably I'm always trying to put myself in their their shoes and I'm telling my staff this, I might be telling my staff that because I'm cautioning them like I might have seen two or three of my trainers squatting with their new client like heavy load and their form was off and terrible. And so I'm like trying to correct you and say, hey, you need to do lighter weight, more reps, more practice this client before you go load her with 130 pounds on her back and try and do a barbell squat like she's just not the prerequisites aren't there for that person. So I give a general statement like this. I see the value in that. I see the value of not as, you know, when you're managing a team or a staff of people of giving something a general topic like that. But the truth is we want to train and work any client no matter what age they are to a place where they can do strength training and that to them, like I have a client right now who's in her fifties and, you know, just the bar 45 pounds on her back. That's challenging for five reps, controlled, slow and deep and like focusing on that's really challenging. Totally. She could do body weight squats till she's booing the face. But as soon as I load it with about 45 pounds on her back and she's got to stabilize that bar and we're barefoot and focusing on the way we're staying on there. Man, that's and slowing the tempo down. I can make those five reps incredibly intense for her. Yeah, one of the biggest lessons you'll learn or I learned as a trainer was what appropriate actually meant, you know, it could literally be oftentimes and this is, you know, later on in my career when I started training people in advanced age, I could be training someone and today's leg workout is you sitting down in a chair and standing up. That's your squats for today. But I remember as a new trainer, I would see something like that and be like, Oh, that's not enough. You're wasting your time. We need to put you on the leg press. We need to get you to really feel sore and whatever. No, no, no, really appropriate is that's the thing you got to focus on. And what is appropriate for this person if this person is older and deconditioned or they're only used to one way of training, you just move two degrees over to another direction and that's it. That's enough. There's no need for you to go any further. And what you think is not enough is probably enough. Oftentimes this took me so long to really appreciate and figure out once I got to this point, I became so effective at training people in this age category because I really started to appreciate what that meant. What is what is appropriate mean? Well, that means today, you know, you know what I'm the first exercise I would do with someone in this age group is we'd sit on a bench and I wouldn't have him stand up and sit down. In fact, one of the first things I'd have him do is a leg extension with no weight. One leg, they'd sit there, lift their knee up and just extend their leg and come down and they'd come back to me the next day and be like, Oh, I was a little sore. Yeah. You know, so always air on that side and you should be okay. But here's the deal. Heavyweight, perfect form is even more important than it is with lightweight. So that's why there's some truth to what this, you know, this question. Next question is from Finlay Ched. How many hours of cardio can you do each week and still see muscle gain? This is I like this question because there's definitely a lot. There's a lot of depends going on here, right? People here on the show a lot, lots of poopy divers talk about us talk about cardio. And it sounds like we're just none of us are fans. It's always just not the best. And I think a lot of that message is because it in the 70s and 80s. It was it was what everyone did for exercise. Like nobody was really strength training or lifting weights except for the small needs group. And so we're trying to counter that message as it's definitely not the best form of exercise to be healthy, to be strong for longevity. There's a much better approach than doing cardio. That doesn't mean that the cardio doesn't have incredible benefits. But the other reason why we also talk that way is it's also one of the it's challenging when you're doing a lot of cardio and you also have a goal of wanting to build muscle. Because cardio in itself is catabolic and trying to build muscle would be anabolic. So it's really tough to ask your body to do two things at the same time. You can if you're eating a sufficient amount of calories, this is possible. But the end of the day, if you're doing tons of hours and hours of cardio, you're telling your body to be efficient and to be efficient at running a cardio, it's not wanting to add a bunch of muscle. So there's a sweet spot for every single person and that's going to depend on each individual. Cardio can actually help you build muscle too. If you're if the cardio that you're doing is is optimizing your health, then it can actually help you build muscle. I remember experiencing this as a young lifter where I was I was allergic to cardio. I did zero because I at that point understood, you know, the basics, which was I need more calories than I burn. I want to build muscle. And so my idea was I'm going to lift weights and then burn no calories for the rest of the day. And you know, God forbid I did any additional movement and definitely was not going to do cardio because I'm not going to burn those precious calories that my muscles need. That's what I believed. And I remember, you know, working with a trainer who was just just incredible muscle development and strong. And I saw him doing occasional cardio, low intensity, but he'd get on the treadmill and walk uphill or he'd do an elliptical and remember thinking, I asked him, I said, well, man, you build a ton of muscle and you still do cardio. I can't imagine how much muscle you build if you didn't do cardio. And he's like, I build less. And I'm like, what do you mean? He goes, well, I goes, when I didn't do any cardio is unhealthy. I had zero cardiovascular endurance and it actually have it actually took away from my ability to work out. I couldn't do as many squats. And I just didn't feel as healthy. So now I do it just to maintain and keep my health and it actually helps me build muscle. So I did the same thing. And I noticed the same thing. So how many of hours of cardio can you do each week and still see muscle gain? You can actually maximize muscle gain. If the cardio you're doing is optimizing your health, if you're not training to maximize endurance, if you're not trained to maximize stamina, in other words, cardio isn't the focus of your workout. You're not trying to just get awesome at cardio, but you're doing it as a way to maintain your health. Same, same, by the way, this is the same thing for like, you know, stretching like or yoga or that type of stuff. Can that take away from muscle gain? It can. Can it also contribute? Definitely. Absolutely. So if you use cardio as a way to help you lift weights more effectively and to optimize your health, it will actually build more muscle. I saw some some significant muscle growth going through sprints with definite like elongated rest periods in between, which you know, a lot of people wouldn't really look at that as very cardiovascular very anaerobic. But I mean, in terms of like me getting the benefits of that and using, you know, sprints to build, you know, muscle in my legs, it definitely like was was pretty, pretty apparent. Oh, dude, you know, here's a funny thing. You ever hear strength athletes who train with bodybuilders and then they finish the session like I can barely breathe. Super sets, high reps, sets, you know, that's cardio. Exactly. That's a form of resistance training cardio. That's right. So if I was if I were to program this where I want to do cardio and I also want to build muscle, it would look more like the 12 to 25 to 30 minute bouts. And it would be like what Justin said, it would be a more hit type of style where it would be I would push really hard, then I would let my heart rate could recover completely, I would push really hard, let my heart rate recover, you're going to get the the benefits of the cardio as far as strengthening your heart by exercising that way, which will then carry over into your into your lifting routine, and you're not doing so high in high endurance for longer long bouts, which then is going to tell your body to pare down muscle doesn't need. So if I were to program cardio, and my main goal was still to be weight loss, they I would do it and I do this is how I would get ready for shows, I would eventually do cardio, I just wouldn't want to do a lot of it when I'm trying to build right, I would do it more towards cuts. And then when I introduce it, it's the same way that I would introduce it to somebody who's got this question is 12 minute bouts of hit post workout first, that's how I started off for three days a week, and then it goes a four days a week, then it goes a five days a week, then 12 minutes turns into 15 minutes, 15 minutes turns into 20 then eventually 30 and man, you'll be in great cardiovascular shape, you'll mostly burn body fat by doing that. And as long as you're eating adequate calories, you still should be able to build muscle. But you know, but even with that it depends like if you have if you have the person who hit cardio is too much of a stress, walking on the treadmill for 20 minutes might be enough of a stress relief, depending on how they do it, that will actually contribute to muscle gain. You know, the question, the answer was open, Adam opened it with it depends. It's totally true. This is an impossible question to answer definitively because it depends on what I'm talking to. And for some for someone, the right answer, maybe the exact wrong answer for somebody else. But I think at the end of the day, this is kind of a general answer that I think can apply to most people. If your cardio is optimizing your health and the goal isn't to just become gain tons of, you know, stamina and endurance, it's probably going to benefit you and not take away, I would say from from muscle gain. Next question is from I hate Matt Vincent. Is it true that if you don't use it, you lose it? Yeah, he was trying to be funny here, but it's true. It's this is one of the oldest lines in the fitness industry, isn't it? Well, didn't I bring this up on one of the most recent episodes where I kind of freaked out when I jumped out of my truck? Did I have one on the show? Yeah, I was just talking to you guys, I can't remember. No, you brought it up. Yeah, because it and that's a perfect example of, you know, it just been a while since I had done any jump boxes or anything like that. And just out of habit, being in the back of a lifted pickup truck and then jumping out, it's, you know, seemed like no big deal to me. But when I landed, boy, it felt way different than it had felt the last time I had done that. And I know that's because I haven't done it. I haven't trained that. So my body didn't absorb the asphalt when I when I dropped down, I was in a more stiff position. And I boy, let me know all the way up my knees in my back when I did it. And I went, oh, shit. And that was a an awakening for me that, you know, this happens at one point in our lives where we just stopped doing certain things and we lose the ability. And that's just to make us more efficient and effective with our energy and what we're doing, like our body just recognizes what our biggest, you know, patterns are every day and, you know, how to allocate those resources in that direction. And so it's like, it's this pruning system it has already, like, okay, so if we're not doing this, let's go ahead and shuttle that, you know, attention in this direct because you're doing this more frequently. Yeah, your body is always trying to get just as good as it needs to get. It's never going to try to aim to exceed what it believes to be the bare minimums. And how does it determine the bare minimums off of your activity and the signals that you send your body? Now why, right? Why won't your body get stronger than the bare minimum that it thinks it needs? Or why won't it get the more agility than the bare minimum that thinks it needs? Because all of those require energy, just like Justin said. And our bodies evolved for the most part during, you know, long for most of human history, energy was hard to come by. It was scarce. It made no sense. If your body became inefficient, you starved. It made no sense whatsoever. So your body is not going to be good at jumping. If you don't jump, if you don't ever jump, you lose that ability. Your body's like, we don't need this. We don't need the skill. Let's get rid of this and become more efficient. If you don't run, you'll lose that skill. If you don't ride your bike, you'll lose that skill. If you don't lift weights, you start to lose strength. This is true for any anything at all, even your ability to handle stress to deal. You know, it's funny, I grew up in a loud house. It was relatively chaotic at times, you know, big family, loud, you know, you know, stereotypical Italian people. And I, you know, growing up, it was like, it was just the way I live. It's not a big deal. Like, you know, if I needed to do homework or do something or whatever, it didn't bother me. I didn't even notice it. Moved out. And then I lived in a quiet environment, lived by myself for a long time, then I'd go home and I'd be like, I can't handle all this, this noise all of a sudden. Yeah, it's just, it's just like anything about your ability to handle temperature. Absolutely. So if you want to maintain abilities, you have to practice them. There's absolutely nothing. And this is this is what this is a very important lesson for people. It's like, oftentimes we do the stuff that's needed to get us better. But then we forget that whatever we did to get there is what we need to do to stay there. It doesn't stay, your body never stays. It only adapts. And so you want this. And when we first, you know, this, this is one of the oldest fitness sayings. It's been around forever. It became a parody for a long time. You don't use it. You lose it, you know, I think it's been around since maybe the 70s and 80s. But it's almost the most true, famous fitness saying I can't think of what no pain, no gain is the other one. That one's a lot of that's false. But you don't use it. You lose it. Totally true. And you could take this to the extreme. You could literally put your leg in a cast. Don't use it. And, you know, do that for a year and watch what your body does to your leg. Starts to get rid of it. It's crazy. So absolutely. If you want something, you got to, you got to maintain it and you got to maintain that practice. Otherwise your body will just get rid of it. Next question is from Jackie Martinez 1983. What is a bubble in any industry you feel will be bursting soon? That's a good question. Well, I'll stick to the fitness space, because I see this happening in the fitness space. Although I also see this happening just generally in the, the social media space. So, and that's these mastermind groups. This is where you pay a lot of money for access to somebody who has large influence. And they bring you into their training course. And with other people willing to spend a lot of money. And the goal is to teach you how to do what they did. And part of what they're teaching you is to how to run your own mastermind course, teaching other people. And so it's like this. It's like this MLM type of structure, which, you know, if you just follow it down, it's the line is eventually it's going to burst because, you know, how many people will be teaching people to make these courses to make money? You know, I don't know if I agree with you because and I and I think I did at one point, I go back and forth on this. And I was talking to somebody over the last weekend about mastermind groups. And they're kind of like fraternities for adults, business adults. So it's turn it like you kind of you pay to get in and you get access to all these people and they're they're fun, they're exciting, they're full of motivation and hype. You have dinners, right? Yeah, right. And and then the part that I think anybody who's been a part of a fraternity, whether you liked it or you didn't like it, the probably one of the most beneficial things that most people would agree about fraternities and sororities is the lifelong connections that you make, especially with business. I look at like my girl's business, for example, the company she works for. And, you know, the if you went to at least half of the people that work in the office are old came from Bellarmine. They all came up for the same school and know each other and, you know, and the person who owns it came from Bellarmine. So he gave lots of them jobs. And so there's kind of this fraternity aspect of it that I think some people that's enough value for them. And so they justify spending 30 some $50,000 a year on these mentors. And the other thing is the mentorship part, like there's a big push on the agenda that everybody needs to have a mentor, which I agree. I think it's important to have mentors and have people that that you look up to and aspire to be like, and it can help guide you in your business life and potentially your personal life. And so I think that because of that, I don't know if they will die. I'm not a fan of them like, like you. I was also also not a fan of fraternity. Like I used to make fun of my best friend who was in a fraternity the whole time that he had to buy his friends. And I'm somebody who they tell you to eat the biscuit. Don't do they cost money to get into a fraternity, too? Yeah, the fraternities cost money. Yeah, you have dues, I think. Yeah, yeah. So it's it's similar, right? And so I think it's I think for some people, they do find enough value in it. I think the reason why we all feel that way is because it's so not us. And so I'm very careful to be like, ah, it's going to die, especially something like that that's been around for as long as it's been around. Well, here's what I here's how I define is bursting. OK, I don't bursting doesn't mean it's going to go away. Bursting just means it's not going to be it's going to grow in the market and then it's going to pop. And then there's still going to be a small amount of it, but it's not going to be like it used to be the whole, you know, join my master mind so we can learn how to use social media to maximize our business. Here's a couple reasons why that's going to burst in my opinion. One, essentially eventually when you follow it down the line, there's only it's like writing a book on how to make money writing books. Eventually everybody does that and then there's nothing left and lots of people get no value out of it. This is very the most of the majority is people who go to mastermind groups get nothing out of it, but they tell themselves they did to make themselves feel better, but they don't go back. The second reason is because making money through hacking social media without prevent providing any real substance and value. Those days are numbered. The algorithms are changing. You're not getting as much much access. People you can have a million. It used to be if you had hundreds of thousands of followers, you could easily turn that into you know, lots of money because you would put out a post or whatever. You'd reach them all Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, all these they're changing the point where you put out something to your hundred thousand fall. Very small percentage of people see them and the only people are getting traction, the ones that really are providing already lots of value. They're getting lots of interaction. And so the old rules apply. And the third reason why I think masterminds are going to pop is because a lot of the message that they're selling is is are not the fundamentals that you know, building successful business are built on. The fundamentals of a successful business are hard work, time, present lots of value to your customers. Masterminds are kind of the ones I've seen are all about hacking the system. This is what you do. Well, so what you're bringing up, I see it from the standpoint of what they've already sort of cracked down on with influencers and how you've seen them lose value and lose authority over the last year or so has really been like quite dramatic in how they're like changing their algorithms, because like their true engagement really isn't even there. It's just it's purely like a numbers thing that they've aggregated, you know, through bots or you know, however, however they've done it, you know, their true authentic version isn't being portrayed. And so companies that are trying to invest in them, that like they're not seeing any return. And so it's like the money is moving away from that, that whole industry. So I do see that affecting, you know, because a lot of the mastermind was was, you know, centered around some of these influential people who, you know, looked like they had a lot of power. But yeah, because the models like get some followers, and then your most hardcore followers, you sell them a huge ticket item to be part of your mastermind. That's the the the model right now to make money through social media influence. I can't see how that's a model that's going to continue to, you know, be as popular as it is. I'm sure it'll always exist. But I can't see how that's going to it's going to maintain its growth. Yeah, I think it's going to continue to go on. I don't think I think that the the rate at Instagram's growth and Twitter and YouTube and the growth of those companies will continue to drop new people that come in that fall into the same traps and do the same thing over and over. I don't think that it's going to slow down anytime soon. And if it does, it won't be significant, significant enough to call it a pop. I think it's here to stay. Yeah, some of the characteristics of bubbles are they they come out of nowhere and people start making a lot of money but aren't really providing a lot of value. That's also characteristic of a business that's successful to comes out of nowhere. Great timing. Not providing but not providing a lot of value is how bubbles burst. So you look at the house market, you know, housing market took everybody was making money. It was to get a loan. You literally just told them how much money you made. You look at that and be like, well, this this isn't going to maintain itself. It can't possibly maintain itself. Well, you're drawing parallels to things that are not common at all. I mean, housing market has nothing to do with the way people are influenced with emotion and the insecurities they have with their bodies and all the other things that are manipulated and used in social media. Those are apples and oranges. Yeah. Again, you're you're you're dealing with people who you're asking them to spend thousands of dollars for this kind of access. All it takes is one one person to figure out that if they give this away for, you know, 50 bucks, they take that they take it away from everybody. It's a it's a vulnerable industry that is providing very little real value, which is why I think it's that that's what's going to happen. I'm not a hater. If I see something providing lots of but if your value is this and you keep doing this and other people do it, I also see what I mean. I I know that there's a lot of value in CBD and then like the high quality CBD and things like that. But I could totally see that whole industry having a massive burst. That's a good one, too. I would. Absolutely. I could get on board with that. That's a great one more so than the mastermind one. I definitely CBD will with definitely got a peak soon and then come back down sooner or later. Yeah. People are going to be like, OK, it's it's not for everybody. There's a there's a population of people this does amazing things for and the rest of the people, it's kind of a waste of money, a waste of money. So I definitely think that's true. And I think along the lines of things that you said, Sal, that I do agree with that are going to change. And I think it kind of plays into your idea of the mastermind thing blowing up. And that is the people that are running those masterminds and doing those are is going to shift and change. Right now, it's allowed these fitness models who got popular off of their bodies and on Instagram to take advantage of the quarter million, a half million, a million people following them by organizing these groups that pay the money and they basically try. So I do believe that. Like and we're already seeing this right now. I mean, and what percentage of these mastermind groups is being run by people like that? Not that much. You know, no, I think in again, now you talk about our bubble that we live in. Yeah, it seems like a high majority of them because that's my world and your world. And that's what we see all the time. And so we're like, oh, my God, must be everybody. Well, now there's tons of masterminds and groups like that that have been going on long before Instagram models got we just see them taking advantage of it. And what I like to think is as they start to fall off and this new breed of people that come up that actually are adding great value, that have great pages, that lots of people are paying attention and falling, it'll open the door for those people to do those types of mastermind groups. And they will actually be adding more value than some of these models. That's why I don't think the bubble burst, but I think you'll see a changing of the guard on the type of people. There just isn't enough people who can provide real value, who also are want to make money doing that. Like if you see someone who's providing a lot of value with their business, making tons of money doing it, they're probably not going to think to themselves, hey, I'm going to also do this expensive mastermind. What I see going on right now is a lot of these people this is how they make their money. And they really don't have a successful business without it. And I don't see a lot of value. And so again, I think it's going to exist. I just don't think it's going to be so many. There's so many that are out there and it keeps growing. Have you guys heard of like Reiki and body design? No. OK, so this was brought to my attention by multiple people that like in especially down in LA like is a big thing like where they've even like basically like compared it to actors like you know how they always like end up like being a waiter or like having like sort of a part time job that they're kind of like hanging around like the new thing now is like like energy working and like doing all this like spiritualism stuff. Oh, you said Reiki. Reiki, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So but it's huge like like that's like the if I can't make it an entertainment or being I'm doing that, you know, and like that's like pervading the entire area. And it's like making its way up here. And I'm like, what are they talking about? I'm an intuitive. The fuck is an intuitive? Yeah, it's a thing now. So I'm like I'm keep my eye on it. But apparently they're they're saying like it's it's growing and like that's something else. So I'm just like, OK, I smell some BS. Well, speaking of things, busting bubbles, busting, have you the stock market? We've had the longest bull market ever, ever. The last 10 years has been a massive bull market and the stock market. And it's today, it's still hitting record highs now. Scary. Yeah. Historically speaking, this means there's going to be a big climbing, climbing, climbing fall. You know, that's going to hit like remember the roaring 20s, you know, where it seemed that way. It was like everybody could make money. Everybody was in the Great Depression and then we had the Great Depression. And it was this is following 2008. After 2008 crash, right on 2009 10, it grew and grew and grew and overall. I don't know what the numbers are. I was just reading an article this morning about it. And they're like, this is the longest running bull market ever. So maybe the next bubble to be the stock market, which is kind of scary. See what happens there. Anyway, look, you can go to mind pump free dot com. And you can download all of our books and guides for free. We got a lot of information there that costs nothing. Great resources. You can also find all of us on Instagram. You can find Justin at my pump, Justin. You can find me at my pump, Sal and Adam at my pump, Adam.