 I eat what's being put on my plate, that's respect, you know what I mean? So if my mum's putting meat on my plate, I'm obviously going to eat it. Out of respect for your mum? Out of respect for anyone, like if someone put meat on my plate, I'm going to eat it. Do you want to talk about this? Do you know what it... Also on the sign that says a humane slaughter is a myth, prove me wrong. Do you believe that humane slaughter is a thing? Yeah. You do? Okay, well come and talk to me about it. So we're filming, is that okay with you? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, so my position is that you can't kill someone in a humane way, who doesn't want to die basically, that's my position. There's only one exception, like if someone wants to die, like if it's a mercy killing, like if it's euthanasia and they're suffering and you can't help them. Like if an animal is suffering and you can't help the animal, euthanasia is fine. It's actually the most humane thing to do. But I'm talking about food animals, dairy cows being slaughtered, egg-laying hens being slaughtered, meat animals being slaughtered. I don't think you can do that in a humane way because those animals want to live. It's like with humans, unless they murder someone, they don't have a choice, you know what I mean? Yeah. But it's like sometimes with animals, they don't have a choice. They're like... Well they don't ever have a choice in the food industry, they don't want to be there. Yeah, exactly, but I can't say it because I eat meat, so like... So when you eat meat, you're demanding they supply murdered animals to you? I didn't think of it like that. To a vegan. Are you a vegan? Come over here. Let me show. Personally, I was a vegetarian, but I didn't eat in disorder, so I had to include more meat in disorder. You had a needing disorder? Yeah. And they told you you needed to eat meat too? Yeah, pretty much. They said that I needed to eat more because it would... You needed to eat more. Okay. With like, I needed to include more meat products in too. Oh really? Okay, well, uh... Maybe you could navigate that with some better help without having to pay for animals to be slaughtered, but like... Do you agree that like when you buy meat, or let's just say you're consuming meat, you say your parents are buying it for you, when you're consuming your share of this meat, that you're helping an industry continue to exploit and kill animals? You know, like when... Like let's just say I was... I don't agree with it, but... You don't agree with that? No. You agree with me that you are causing slaughterhouses to exist by consuming these products? Yeah, I agree that like they don't have a choice and stuff and they shouldn't be dying for food and stuff, but if you think about it, people have been killing animals and stuff for as long as you can remember, do you know what I mean? Back in the day, it wasn't vegetables. The poor had vegetables. The more richer you were, the more you got the meat. Yeah. So it's like it's been happening for as long as you can remember. So now it's like it's a normal thing, it's an everyday thing, it's a lifestyle. But you don't think that just because something's been happening for a long time, that that makes it ethical? No, I don't think that, but... But you're just saying it's been normalized because it's been happening for so long? So like with vikings and stuff, they get meat to keep themselves ready and active for when they're like fighting in wars and stuff. So now you would say that it's needless? I don't know, I'm just... Would you say it's needless? To slaughter animals for their bodies? Well, people will keep eating meat, it's protein, but I don't think it's right, but it will carry on happening. Yeah, so you don't think it's right, but it will carry on happening, but will you carry on participating in it? I eat what's being put on my plate, that's respect, you know what I mean? So if my mum's putting meat on my plate, I'm obviously going to eat it. Out of respect for your mum? Out of respect for anyone, like if someone put meat on my plate, I'm going to eat it. Let me give you a thought experiment. What if I tortured a dog, cut them up into pieces and put it on a plate for you, and out of respect, would you eat it? Well, no, not like that, like... Wait, wait, wait, I want to find out why not. You said it's respect that that's why you would eat the tortured animal on your plate, and I said it's a dog. Out of respect, I cook it for you, would you eat it? Well, no, not like that, I didn't mean it like that, like I meant like if my mum cooked a burger, I'm going to eat it because like my mum cooked it. Yeah, so I gave you a thought experiment, and I said, okay, what if your mum cooked a tortured dog and minced it up into a burger? I can't eat that. Yeah, but why not? That's what I want to know. Why have you got a double standard there for... You would eat pigs and eat chickens and eat cows and eat fish, but you won't eat a tortured dog for some reason. I want to find out why that is. Because it... I know why she won't. Because like, all these years, they've already been killing cows and all that, and like killing a dog as a pet. There's no wild dogs, no one keeps cows as a pet. Okay, yeah, I wouldn't say no one keeps cows as a pet. Sanctuaries keep animals as companions and they look after them throughout their whole life until they pass away. So, but do you think that because a dog is a pet, like that's some moral, ethical reason... I think it'd be better to... Instead of killing the cow, wait until it dies naturally. You can eat when it dies naturally. So you can eat people if they die naturally too, then, hey? But that's different, like... Why is it different? I'm trying to find out what ethical... I'm trying to find out what's ethical. That's cannibalism. Yeah, I'm talking about ethics. Like, if... Let's just say there's someone that died and no one knew who they were and on the side of the road. Like, you could probably eat them, yeah? No, not like that. She don't mean it like that. She meant like... With cows. I'm trying to get you to steer away from looking at a cow as food because this is what I'm trying to do. Like, there's a method to my madness here. What are you trying to say? You wouldn't eat a dead human who'd passed away of old age. You wouldn't eat a dead dog that passed away of old age. For some reason, you would, like, eat a chicken or a beef burger that your mum cooked, but you wouldn't eat a dog burger that your mum cooked. So I'm trying to find out why you've got distinctions, why there's differences here. Because eating a cow and stuff or, like, eating bacon stuff, it's normal. But if you get a dog, it's not normal. In this day and age, it's not normal. Yeah. So can we steer away from normal and try to find out what's ethical? You know what I mean? Like, what's moral? What's the moral thing to do? You know what morals are like? Morally, personally, right, morally it's like, yeah, they don't have a choice. They don't have a choice in getting killed. And I understand that, but, like, it's... I don't know how to put it. But I'm trying to find out if it's a moral thing to do. No, it's not moral. It's like, you shouldn't kill animals. So it's immoral. You would say that it's immoral. You shouldn't kill animals. Like, you shouldn't... Like, honestly, it's like, if I went over to someone and now stabbed him, that's immoral. I've got no reason to do that. So can I ask you how old you are? 17. You're 17. So, but you're at your parents' house. You're in the care of your parents at the moment. Yeah. So, like... But, like, if your parents were, like, gonna give you something that you were morally against, like, let's just say, like, is the scenario of a parent that had been cut, had their head cut off and turned into a burger or a dog or a cat. I don't know if you like cats or, like, what other animal do you like? Cats. I like tigers. Okay, so I've cut a tiger's head off, put it on the plate. Your parents actually did. You would protest that, wouldn't you? Yeah, I wouldn't eat it. I'm not eating it? Yeah, I wouldn't eat it. For some reason, you'll eat these other animals that are tortured and killed. I don't know if you've seen slaughter footage. I don't know if I wanna show you, it might traumatise you. But have you seen what happens to animals? You have? Okay. But it's like, obviously, I don't know. It's like, it is immoral, no matter what people are gonna carry on doing it. But we were only talking about you. We're only talking about you today. Why you would personally carry on doing it if you feel it's immoral, okay? And you know, you obviously think these animals feel pain, they suffer, they want to live. Cows, pigs, chickens, fish, yeah? Yeah, but it's, I don't... You've been conditioned, you know what conditioning is? Like conditioning is where, like, you've been taught that these animals are food. Yeah, that's all you see, a chicken. Like, you wouldn't even be able to, like, determine the animal from the chicken to the food from the chicken, because they're called the same thing, aren't they? A fish is called the same thing, whether it's food or whether it's the animal. So you've been conditioned over your entire life, like I was, that these animals are for food. You can wear sheep, you can wear their wool, you can, you know, kill cows for burgers. That's beef, that's beef, that's not a cow, it's beef. You know? But do you think that that means that just because you're conditioned to do something that is considered normal, that we should continue doing it? Do you know what I mean? Like, what everyone else wants to do is what they want to do. What I want to do is what I want to do. Do you get me? I'm not like one of them people that sit here and say, oh, well, you're weird if you don't eat meat or all that, well, no, it's your choice. Yeah, so when you talk about choices, right, you can talk about, like, making a choice. I could make a choice right now to shoot that guy in the face with a shotgun, right? That's a choice. So when is it, when, do you want to go somewhere? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you have to go? We only have, like, only my dad and my brother eat like a lot of meat. Yeah. My mum's vegetarian. Oh, is she? Yeah, she don't agree with me. Yeah. I rarely eat meat. You rarely do? Yeah, only when my mum, not my mum, even when my dad cooks it. Yeah, I get it. But if I cook meat, you get me. Okay. Like, so I don't agree with the killing animals. And, like, what does not we can really do? And raised in factory farms, because the vast majority of... I've seen the videos of, like, cows and everything like, walking up and just get curled. Yeah, I mean, they go into a knockbox and they get bulk-gunned in the skull and have their head cut off and, you know, their guts cut out of their body and their skin be turned into leather, you know? Pigs get lowered down into a gas chamber. Have you seen what happens inside of a gas chamber? Yeah. Do you want to see it? I've already seen it. Are you okay to watch it? Yeah, so, well, pigs, they, like, have the intelligence of a three-year-old child, apparently, scientifically. Now, let's just have a look at them. So, what happens? We'll just go past this part. This is piglets getting their heads smashed on the floor because they won't grow fast enough. It's called a blunt force trauma or thumping. Happens across the UK. So, this is a gas chamber. The system of rotating piglets lowers the folding conscious pigs. So, 86% of pigs in England and Wales are stunned in these chambers. The CO2 reacts with the mucus in their eyes and their mouth and their lungs and burns them from the inside out. They suffocate down here. So, the gas is at the bottom. They're trying to escape, aren't they? It'd be like drowning, but drowning in a dungeon filled with gas while you're struggling in a cage and you can't escape. And your eyes are burning and your insides are burning. Do you think they're suffering? This was said to be the most humane method for stunning pigs for a long time until activists decided to check out in there what's going on, left some cameras in there. They're trying to escape. Then they get their throat stabbed and blood drained out of them and turned into bacon. So, there's heaps of things that happen. There's also the maceration of male chick. I could show you endless stuff that happens in the industry in the UK. There's just so much of it. Do you know that first video? Yeah. When people are going to eat that meat, right? Will that meat not be poisoned? The piglets that were smashed on the ground? No, the one where they were getting... Oh, no, it's CO2. It's not poisonous gas. It just, you know, it will knock you out. CO2, I mean, most of the pigs here are gas-chambered so I don't think everyone's getting poisoned from meat acutely. They might get poisoned like their heart disease or something later on, but... But anyways, like, if that was a dog in there, would you react differently? At one stage, I would have probably reacted differently if it was a dog in there, but now I see dogs and pigs as, you know, equal beings, worthy of the same respect. I don't think anyone thinks of that. No, I don't... I only care what you think. When you're consuming meat, right, you don't like pay attention to what's actually happening behind closed doors. Of course you don't. And they don't show you, do they? No, because it'll put you off eating it. And it'll affect their business, yeah? Yeah, because they don't want you to boycott the meat products. They want you to keep buying them and consuming it and getting your parents to cook it for you or whatever. But like, if you boycott it, if you be a vegan, then you're saying with your actions that you're against animal cruelty, not just your words. Because your words don't mean anything to the animals. What matters is what you're paying for to happen or what you're consuming. Can I give you some information here? Because these are pretty cool pamphlets. They show you where to eat and what to do. They got some... There you go. Got some information on there. You can take them with you. And use it as a guide. But when you leave here, when you go to the supermarket or let's just say your parents cooked you up a steak or whatever, are you going to say are you going to protest or are you going to boycott? Are you going to continue to just go with the flow and do what's normal or are you going to start? I rarely eat meat. It's like my mum would cook it, sometimes I'm like, I don't want to eat it. So you eat it so rarely that it's so easy for you just to give up right now, really, isn't it? I don't sit there and like, oh, can you cook meat for me? Usually I'm eating salads and stuff. The only time my dad will eat meat is when he, like, order takeaway or whatever. We don't really just keep meat at the house apart from, like, just chicken nuggets or whatever, but other than that it's basically like pasta in my house. You'd be surprised how much meat you actually eat. I mean, when it comes down to seeing animals being abused in these farms, it's always like, like, I used to eat it three times a day. I mean, nearly every meal. Not being funny, I do. We like those chicken in the freezer or fridge, I do cook like. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? I used to eat it three times a day. But when I seen, like, animal cruelty stuff it was like, oh, lucky I don't eat that much but, like, I'm literally eating it every time I eat nearly. I happen to eat a tray of chicken to myself. I used to be able to eat a whole chicken and, like, a whole leg of ham and, like... I feel like milk, cows are still getting used for milk. Yeah, they've been exploited for their milk. They've had their children taken away after their pregnancy so they get forcibly impregnated to have their children taken and then the milk will be taken from them. The boys will be killed. You're very vegetarian, you should drink some milk. Yeah, the boys will be shot on the farm because they don't produce milk, males don't or they'll be grown for veal, sent off for veal or grown for beef and the dairy cows will be slaughtered after about four or five years. Turned into leather, beef, minced up into burgers. Usually you get minced. This is fake fur. Nah, I don't think that's real fur. That's fake fur. Nah, I think that's fake, for sure. But anyway, it's like... You wouldn't want to hurt an animal yourself. But when you're consuming these products you're pushing the button on these animals. You're saying, die for me, forcing them to die, forcing them to live a life of hell. You're adding to the problem. But when you go vegan you're doing your best kind of thing to eliminate your contribution to it. I'll leave the power up to you guys. When you leave here, it's up to you. Alright guys, take care. See you later. That was an interesting little chat with those girls. It wasn't really a debate, was it? It wasn't too much of a debate with those girls. It was more like just a conversation trying to help them to understand. But yeah. Who knows what they'll do from here on out? You know, these seeds they can flourish later on. It doesn't mean they might not go vegan straight away. It might be a bit difficult when they're at home to protest. But they'll definitely protest if there was a dog on the table being eaten, that's for sure. Yeah, maybe the seed will flourish later on. Do you wait and see? Like, I think this. Humane slaughter is a myth. Humane slaughter of animals? Animals, I'm sorry mate. You love it, yeah. But like, I don't think you can kill an animal in a humane way if they want to live, I think it's murder. You know what I mean? How do you know? How do you know? How do I know you want to live? You tell me. I know. But like, I would say mercy killing is like an exception. So if they want to die, if they're suffering or whatever, like euthanasia's okay. But if they don't want to, if they want to survive. You want to take this bro? Before you go. He'll just take this with you, man. If you don't agree with it, like just check out a couple of these films here, bro. And it's just all investigations with secret footage in that, eh? See you brother. Take care mate. Loves his steak, doesn't agree with it. Maybe he'll change. I don't know. But maybe you watch a few of those documentaries and share it with his friends. It's like if you don't agree with the slaughter of animals then stop paying for it to happen. That's about it. Alright, so interesting discussion today. We're going to call it a day. Yeah, no one can convince me that slaughter is humane if an animal wants to live. So maybe we'll bring this table out one time again soon. But yeah, no one could prove me wrong, I don't believe. Alright.