 It's a breakfast and plus TV Africa. We take a look at the second conversation. The PDP governorship primaries, winners of the People's Democratic Party government primaries, Sherif Ubuirawari for Delta, Oladimeji Adedirun, popularly known as Jadon for Lagos, Finteri for Adamawa, Sheimakinde for Shun State, and Shegun Shogumi Ogun State, Titus Uba for Benway, Peter Uba for Enugun State. You also have Fubara for Reavers in Gumbay. We have Mohammed Baddeh, Medj as PDP candidate of the state, and Nasarawar, we have David. Sherif Abdullahi for Uba State, Kefas, Abu in Tarba, and lastly for Quarra, we have Abdullahi Yaman. Joining us this morning to analyze this is a political analyst, Uponabon Katariya. As I guess this morning, let's go to have you join us, Uponabon Katariya. Good morning, Nasi, good morning, Kofi, and good morning, Nigeria. So, what do you make of the candidates that have actually emerged off from the People's Democratic Party primaries that was just recently conducted? Well, I cannot assess all the candidates in all the states of the Federation. But one thing is certain that most of these candidates were poisoned on the party. I can tell you for sure that the candidates are not a referendum, are not a referendum of their approval of the delegates. The delegates were instructed by the leaders of the various parties. Those who are governors instructed the delegates, those who are not governors or leaders of the party, instructed the delegates on what to do. So willingly, they went in there and carried out the orders of their leaders. That is exactly what happened. Not as if the candidates are popular, especially in reverse states. I can say that the two candidates, including the APC and the political candidates are not popular at all. They are not at all. But they were just poisoned on the party and they were instructed of course that of the APC, you have the primaries today. But before they were the consensus candidates. And this led to enough of a segment where they had used men's aspirants who went ahead to purchase firms. So you also have the issue of man-musabi. You have a jukai. You have one other guy and so on. And in the PDP of course, Pumbara was first in the party. If the governor, he was the account general of the state, he was the cashier, he came to the DSP of my house, became a partner's secretary, became account general. While most of this other, others were denied promotion in the so-called state and rapid promotion. And obviously for this reason, if they call you a woman, they have been declared one time by the EFCC. And surprisingly, they manage all of us without any harassment from the EFCC. We live in a country where the terms of justice was sweet for me. It is so sad. But in terms of going back to your question, most of the candidates are not choices of the delegates. The delegates were co-hosts into voting for those candidates and that was exactly what happened. But I have an addition to what I just said. Like I say, it's supposed to be secret ballot. So most times when these delegates come out and complain, I just say to them, you need to shut up. You did what you did because not because you're gullible, but because you're rapacious, you're greedy. But otherwise, if a government, for example, instructs you to go and vote for a particular person, you go cast your vote. Nobody knows who voted for who. It's just between you and your conscience. So you go cast your vote and at the end of the day, the results will go out there. But they've got no thinking that you've gone to carry out the construction. Only to be there when they are now going to vote, that the people protest it. That's what they call the protest votes. But you don't have such people, people who are very gullible and character, and that is where we'll find ourselves today in this country. All right. Let's take River State for a bit. And you've given us a bit of a history of Simeon Alaie Fubara, who is the accountant general of the state of former accountant general of River State. Of course, Wikia has traditionally required his appointees who want to contest elected positions or elections to resign. But you said he was a cashier to Yes and Wikia. I saw people also saying that and we moved from there to become the director of finance and administration at government house when Wikia became governor. And his promotion was accelerated, became his permanent secretary, and then accountant general of the state. And why do you think that this man became the anointed or is the anointed candidate of Yes and Wikia? Of course, it was almost unopposed. You know, a few of them who still participated in the primary lost woefully. Cofi, Cofi, you're more or less in that song. You just want to wish the world's after my house. Otherwise, I strongly believe that without being told you can extrapolate. This is a man that has been declared wanted by the ESCC for frauds to the tune of 400 something billion. We all know that there is no way Pumbara would have stolen or led to the stolen 400 something billion without the connivance of the government. In fact, at the behest, not connivance, at the behest of the government. So, if he has been accused, not circumcised, but not before the God program, but if he's been accused by the ESCC of 400 something billion, let me tell you the truth. It is, they were not actually going for him. They were going for the governor, but because the governor has immunity, and that is why he's been arrested, so that he could school for that. And there will be a bigger charity group when they institute this matter. And that is the truth. So, what am I trying to say here? Probably the governor is trying to cover up his snazzy deals for myself daily, you know? And he's trying to act it. He needs somebody that will cover his own track. And that is what is not up to me, is the reason for the choice of Pumbara. That is our conviction, we're right or wrongly, and we stand to be contradicted on that. All right, let's take a look at the situation in Lagos state with the APC holding sway in Lagos. BDB has huffed and puffed in recent times with Jimmy Agbaje always emerging as the flag bearer of the party in the governorship elections in this state. This time around, Jimmy Agbaje did not emerge. And the young man who decamped from the APC, having worked for the All Progressives Congress in Lagos state for years, with his political structure called Lagos for Lagos. He moved from the APC to the PDP amidst fanfare. You had, you know, the movers and shakers of the PDP storming Lagos state for his official decamping. And of course, Riki was there, Sarki was there. And on that day, some of his supporters were asking Jimmy Agbaje to stay clear of the party and to take a rest that he had tried his best over the past three years. Jando is how he's affectionately called. What do you think the chances of the PDP in Lagos state will be with a new face other than Jimmy Agbaje? Well, probably on my back, which is very unlikely, I think if going by my celebration, I strongly impure PDP within Lagos state because Lagos state is predominantly an APC state. So it's going to be an uphill path. Well, not impossible, but it's going to be an uphill path. The advantage that the president, Samad Bairam might be having is, he was a member of the APC. Of course, I remember crying out against injustice in the party, and now from this group you talked about. Lagos for Lagos. I worked in one channel. Yes, so probably he has sympathy from most APC members in Lagos state. Oh my, even if they remain in APC, who might want to cut their votes for him? They live in, it's one of them. And if a situation, of course, it's going to get the PDP votes. And if a situation like that happens and you have a transparent or near-transparent process, then the chances are there, but not as high as the APC economy. But let's quickly share your thoughts on this one. I mean, personality, I mean, for the PDP in Kaduna, so you have the likes of Sherwusani and the fact that he had just two votes. One would think that the caliber of person that you have, who's seen him very vocal about a lot of economic issues going on in the country. And then he couldn't get that particular support. He lost to Issa Ashiro in Kaduna having just two votes. And he also mentioned the fact that he didn't give this delegate a dime. So what do you make of this scenario? Well, that's a promise. Probably he didn't give the delegate a dime because the delegate definitely, we are the officials of the governors. And so whether he gives them a dime or not is completely material. That is what. Number two, you're really making a great mistake. If you think that our political process is so mature that you just need to persuade them without any financial backing, that would be political suicide. Nigerians are hungry. And a lot of the voters, the electorate, they believe that once you get into office, you're going to abandon them. Which is always the case. Which is always the case. So it is like, a better hand is what's in the bush. You come here, you rampartize, you make all kinds of promises. And at the end of the day, you get into office. You now surround yourself with security aids and so on. They don't even have access to you. So let me have this one, two, three, 10,000 naira that I'm going to get now because for another four years, I'm not going to see you. I'm not just to find it. I'm not just to find it. But that is the situation right now. So if it didn't give a dime, then it's unfortunate. Then he planned to fail. That is the truth about. I haven't said this. Like I said earlier on, the delegates take instructions from their bosses. It is not a referendum of the people or approval of a candidate. No, it is not. They're taking instruction from their bosses. Like in River State, I mean all states, I will not say particularly all, all states. You know, the boss will call them and instruct them on who to cast their votes. So open up your term, because of time. No matter how popular you are, if you, you don't have the backing of the governor or the leader, right? I said governor in some states you don't have governors as leaders. Like River, the leader of the APC is not the governor. So it was a former governor, not the governor now. He's not the city one. So if you don't have the backing of the governor or the leader of that party, I mean it will be backing on a sticky weekend. So think that you're going to get the... I hope you can hear me. But let's... Yes, yes, because of time. Let's go quickly, very quickly, because I have one, two full of questions for you to look at all your state where Governor Shea Maki, they emerged. He's gotten the party's ticket to contest for a second term. Is this an endorsement of his achievements as governor, his performance, or you think that it's just still more of the same party politics that play in the PDP? I mean, for anybody, any sitting governor or president to lose an election, I think he's got the presence in Nigeria for now. Because as a governor, how are you going to take him away? Unless Mr. President is naturally interested in that particular outcome. Unless Mr. President wants that man out, then they know what to do. But if he has the backing of his people, it's also almost going to be impossible. Nevertheless, to answer your questions directly, the victory at the primary has nothing to do with his performance as a governor. It has to do with his office as a sitting governor. And I believe you understand what I'm talking about. All right, all right, very quickly, very quickly. Two elephants in the southeast, Tehina, yeah, Barbara, a senator, and A.K. Quirma, the senator, both withdrew from the race in Abia State PDP and in Inigo State PDP. Were you surprised? And what do you think could have happened? Now, I'm not surprised that they withdrew from the race. They just said the state got the shame that would have come their way. That's exactly what happened. Let's just not look at it. We were pitched at the primary, let it be, what I mean, PIPEP, PIPEP, PIPEP at the primary. Let it be that we withdrew in order to save our face. They would have lost because they were not just in the candidate of the governor, so they would have lost. So they just tried to save themselves. They got the shame. It's not simple like that. We have to go. We have to go. Bonobo and Kotaro, thank you very much for your time. We do appreciate you. 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