 Hello, everyone and welcome to another exciting episode of coin telegraphs live AMA shows on today's episode We'll be talking about video games exciting opportunities for e-sports fans and experienced gamers and the moxie project Which is democratizing gaming through the power of blockchain and community. So Stay tuned to learn more and ask your questions. I'm your host Giovanni We are privileged to welcome very special guests today. So let's let me introduce them Perhaps someone in our audience remembers the icon Atari game consoles with space invaders backman ET the extraterrestrial or had the chance to play an arcade tennis simulator called Pong if you're one of them, let us know in the comments So the man behind all those innovations chief knowledge officer at moxie a video game industry legend father of electronic gaming Inductee into the video game Hall of Fame who has founded and developed more than a dozen successful companies That in a one that in one way or another combine entertainment and cutting-edge technology is here with us today Please welcome Nolan Bushnell Nolan. How are you doing today? So great to be here. I mean first of all, I'm a gamer. I love games and and when moxie Proposed to use blockchain smart contracts as a way to facilitate gaming gameplay And in a competitive space. I just had to be part of that. Yeah, and we're gonna talk a lot about it today Let me just Introduce our second guest Which is Matt default CEO and founder of moxie a blockchain and technology visionary with over 20 years of Proven leadership with previous roles as CTO of fourth IR and country head for trustal group Matt has led transformative innovation. So welcome to coin telegraphs AM a Matt. How are you doing today? Oh? Excellent, we have our battle of the influencers event right after this So it's gonna be a very busy day for me and no one. Well, it's gonna be long as we We're gonna be off to Vegas tonight, and we're gonna be rocking over there, too So this this whole weekend is going to be explosive. Yeah okay, and Yeah, I just want to before we get started before we get into the conversation with you guys I just want to remind our dear listeners to like the tweet with our AM a share it with your friends and Also, this is an interactive show So don't forget to write your questions in the comment sections in Twitter or on YouTube and We'll answer them during the live session. So before we get started I just would like to show a quick video introducing moxie. Let's play it Matt. We can get started with the questions So let's first start with the basics about moxie. What is moxie about so as far as I understand It's not just another Gaming platform Can you tell can you tell us more about it? And what kind of gaps that exist in the video gaming industry or? as it feel maybe Yeah, go ahead Moxie is e-sports for all. It's really that simple Moxie's built an ecosystem that any game can add rewards and Compelling e-sports content so that players can engage in competitive gameplay and win real rewards not skins not dances We don't do NFTs. We don't do any of that These are skill based prize pool based competitions where you win moxie the global gaming token Which you can turn into whatever you want to happen. So moxie's e-sports for all for democratizing e-sports and more than that We have a system where we think we're gonna end up with hundreds of games on the platform and you know Not everybody likes every game and it turns out that there are a whole bunch of different games that are Interesting like I like to play go. I like to play chess I'm I'm old enough that if I'm in a first-person shooter I'm I'm the first to die And so so the turn-based stuff's fun for me, you know younger people they like first-person shooters, but I think that We're gonna have a little bit of something for everybody Okay, and yeah, I would like just to know how did you come up with the idea of creating moxie? So I know that you both have a background in the same field of gaming So how did you previous experience help you to shape this idea? Well, I met Nolan's business partner Larry Larry Siegel. He was the president of Atari for a while, too How long do you know Larry for 42 years on the gun 50? So they've known each other a while. I met Larry in Zoo Switzerland as part of another project in 2017 Larry had a I didn't know he's a game gun and we went up for dinner and he's like, you know I was video game guy forever. Well, that's awesome I love video games. That's one of those things where my parents told me you're gonna waste your time You're never gonna make anything out of video games. So I Was like, oh my goodness, here's the chance Larry had said that video games and blockchain is like Peter But peanut butter and jelly. Yeah, so we decided how we gonna do this But looking at the technical landscape at the time, it just wasn't ready There was smart contracts were just coming up on Ethereum. Everything was just not ready yet So in 2020 it started to getting there dapper labs was building flow in 2021. I phoned Larry. I said, hey We're ready now. Let's do this eastwards thing. Let's get it so that every game can have real rewards because he can't do that without blockchain How do you have a guy with Hong Kong dollars playing someone in British pounds playing someone in US dollars and make it all work and Make the payouts automatic and everything else. How do you do that? Only blockchain does that, right? It was ready and Larry said I gotta come on. No one will love this And then I had my first home knowing and yeah, no one loved it. Luckily. Well, you know, I I Get fascinated with things and when blockchain came along. I thought okay, do I believe that there's gonna be a a seamless robust Transfer of value over the internet. Yeah Does blockchain do that and I came to the conclusion. Yeah, it does and then Every then I learned about smart contracts and I said that is powerful when you have self self actualizing and self-executing pieces of software Based on results That's powerful, I mean it sounds simple, but it's really powerful Simple and powerful are good adjectives describing blockchain technology so, um, I Just would like to know about this event that you are going to launch in An hour from now if I'm not mistaken So it's an online competition between internet influencer and celebrities the battle of the influencers Tell us more about it. Yeah, so it's a online Moxie first so you're gonna play moxie games for moxie in an e-sports Style competition, so they may be playing multiple games all using moxie the global gaming token So the single point of value for all that and when you're out of moxie, you're out So we've got a bunch of guys like rampage jacks and then ladies like yassie then I can be playing against each other And it's gonna be really fun and it is literally a beehive of activity outside We had to close the door because it's so loud There's like 50 people running around getting everything ready for us to launch here in about an hour. I love chaos I really do too. It's fun and Yeah, I just would like to know more about the platforms the games that are available on moxie Can you maybe go through? Some of the main some of the way thinks on this for sure. So right now These games are proof of concept games. They're not like it's not fortnight. It's not CS go It's not League of Legends We'll get there for sure But we're not gonna get there unless we can show large publishers and large developers that moxie is real it works It's not a concept. It's not something that's coming later. Moxie's here right now We've done four seasons of beta where we worked out all the kinks and all the bugs We've got games that work on Android games that work on iOS games that work on Mac games that work on PC Games that work on epic. So it's moxie is completely crossed platform that will work for web-based games It will work for console based games. So your favorite game That's why our hashtag is moxie this game because we want to have Gamers go out there and say hey look we love skins. We love dances. We love DLCs But if we could play our favorite game and actually turn it into real rewards for ourself That's really compelling right now. You got 540 million people watching eSports You've had the mark the marketing machine push eSports is the future for the last five or six years I'm a gaming industry with no outcome now. There's an outcome moxie is eSports for any game So yeah, in fact even eSports right now It's kind of a walled garden based on the publisher of a particular game and I I feel like that's not democratization of eSports that I love and you know The games that we're showing you are actually a fraction of the games we have that we just haven't put up yet because quite frankly we haven't gotten quite Adapted yet, but but it's at the same time the power of Different games each game kind of brings a little bit of their client tell with them their their fan base and so it's just We're we don't have to be Created in a miracle, you know, I'm willing to take one step at a time. Yep Crawl walk run Yeah, that's where one of our motto is inside crawl walk run because if we can prove To the industry and prove to the publishers that moxie is the place They need to be and the gamers are like I want real rewards now That's how we're gonna do it. Just one foot in front of the other proof proof proof You know magic no promises just proof. Yeah. Yeah, it sounds like No Go ahead No, I just want to remind our listeners, especially those who just tune in that Yeah, I just want to remind our audience that we are here with the legendary Nolan Bushnell and Matt default to discuss The current state of eSports and the moxie platform that will be bringing on-demand eSports to the mainstream. So please Ask your questions in the comment section. We're gonna ask Matt and Nolan to Answer those questions. So, yeah, just going back to the conversation. I Just want to know our moxie games and events oriented towards experienced gamers or can those just entering eSports participate as well Anyone it's when we say moxie's eSports for all we mean eSports for all. It's not just the pros It's the joes. We're gonna have it for casual mobile games It's gonna have it for game modes for single player high score. There's gonna be FPS This is gonna be MOBAs There's gonna be any game that you like to play whether it's the most simple casual all the way to the most hardcore four-hour raids There'll be a moxie mode for that the moxie Forge we call it is our extensible stack. It's a sandbox for eSports and rewards So any game mode from the largest big season ladder all the way down to a simple 1v1 It's totally sensible. And you know, we we're gonna put on various mohaws along the way to just because Because we can and and the One of the things that sometimes people don't understand is this is really for adults Primarily because we have to KYC because the laws about Challenging and rewards are different than different for jurisdiction So we need to know kind of where you are and who you are and how old you are, you know, it's That's that's the only thing. So if you're a nine-year-old Sorry, you're gonna have to wait a few years Yeah Yeah, and you were talking about the rewards So I want to dive a little deeper into this So can you tell us more about the benefits that are on the table for players? So why should they play on the moxie platform and join the moxie community? Moxie is the global gaming token. So what you get is a utility token that holds real value So when you win moxie match and you win your rewards and moxie you can take that and do things with you Off-ramp you can do a lot of things to have real value out of that not just win some ethereal thing It's you're winning a real reward that you can cash out so to speak to get some actual value from But you know, I guess in the simplest place you can When you're playing somebody You pound your chest and you say I I'm going to bet you 10 mox That I'm going to beat you in this game That's my challenge. I'm challenging you and The other person says oh Okay You're on so you play the game winner executes the smart contract on the mox and Winner gets the value in their wallet Typical blockchain it's all totally transparent to the user. It's all totally automated Nobody has to push a button. Nobody has to think nobody has to go somewhere and sign something It's one of the reasons we chose flow blockchain because we were able to do that totally transparent to the user And we keep the user inside the game. There's no alt tabbing. Oh, there's no going to some other app There's no going to a website Moxie lives in the UI UX of your favorite game so the publisher implements moxie forage into their game and Boom, you are it's a seamless experience Just link your moxie account like you would a steam or epic account and away you go and you know We've already had attempts at hacking and so far we've been good at you know all that and We built in a lot of security in this platform. In fact, it's one of those hidden things that cost us a lot of money But I think it's pretty good right now. It is. Yeah That's the thing we spent the most amount of money and time on is security compliance and legal Yeah, I think that security is definitely an important aspect to investing together with as you said the seamless Neasiness of user experience. So I just want to clarify one thing because apparently moxie is not just for gamers How can game developers publishers game studios participate in moxie? That's the best part. So this is a brand new revenue source for them that didn't exist before Moxie like let's say the prize pool was a hundred mox We give six mox to the developer So six percent goes straight back to the publisher slash developer So just like when angry birds came out the freemium model came out and people are like what you're giving away this model This is game for free. You're you're an idiot. That's that's not how we do this We sell games and we paid people paid money for games. Why is this game free and then they were like Level this extra little content for 50 cents here and 25 cents there of the dollar here and boom Angry Birds made a billion dollars and a quarter of people like how can we make our game free? Let's make our game free Who's why don't we have a free game? So yeah, I think moxie is gonna be like that when they see the the revenue generation potential for prize pool revenue because now it's engaging when you have the ability to Learn something that's tangible based on your own skill and you get the bragging rights of I just won I need this guy right here, right? That's a totally different experience I'm embarrassed to say That I have never spent a hundred dollars on any video game ever I had I downloaded free play on my cell phone and I've spent over a hundred dollars on that thing Oh, yeah, you know and I'm so embarrassed. I'm not gonna tell you what game it is because it's a stupid game Now it works it works. It's very engaging. Yeah Yeah, and you you mentioned that you have a token a native token called moxie So can you explain us more about what role this token plays in your ecosystem and in general like the moxie blockchain? What what role do they play in the moxie ecosystem? So moxie the token is the single store of value within the ecosystem Like I was saying before how do you have the guy with Hong Kong dollars play the guy with British pounds versus euros versus American dollars? All at the same time all happen seamlessly in milliseconds Subtle transaction Everything's transparent. It has to be blockchain. So moxie is built on flow When we looked at every possible blockchain out there at the time flow is the only blockchain I know it doesn't have the greatest liquidity or the greatest exchange support But moxie is not like we're not pepe or moon boy. This is real We are here using blockchain as it's supposed to be used for real utility and a store of value So all of the things that D gens want will come obviously, but for us We need something that's gonna have the smart contract infrastructure that just allows completely transparent a web 2 Experience for your grandmother. You don't have to like go to crypto university to play this You don't have to go and learn how to use you in a swap and metamask and everything else just to play a game As soon as you do that the developers and publishers will be like no, sorry guys This is way way too much like we have a hard time getting people to credit card into our games We're not going to take them to crypto university for moxie. So sorry We had to make this completely web 2 like if you can use Facebook and Gmail and stuff you can use moxie. So Flow blockchain has accomplished that for us and then so moxie tokens It's just a single store of value within our ecosystem and powers all the smart contracts and allows people to win real prizes Yeah, and I I wanted to dive a bit deeper into this topic about the tokenomics of moxie because sometimes we see that Projects have a problem with excessive centralization like token ownership is a Accessely centralized. So how do you make it harder for how would make how do you make it harder to centralize token ownership in your project? So we have linear daily release. We have very large and long locking on any kind of Our token round from before team does not have a very large percentage. It's not like rip forward One guy has 90% you know to be I don't have a very large token percentage Because for us this is about the very very long term. We don't we aren't playing all the crazy yield farm games and staking and all that stuff We are a single point of token where you can come in just like this guy invented Chuck E cheese So he's actually the OG utility token guy right here Because if any of you remember you'd go down to Chuck E cheese and give them your 20 bucks And they give you a little cup of tokens you take that utility token you put in the game and now you're playing the game So we've essentially got that back with Moxie, but now instead of a winning a yo-yo or a lollipop You can real win real money. Well, you know when when we were first buying tokens For Chuck E cheese we were paying six cents token Well, it's like you know and Moxie is right now about six cents. Yeah, you know, so there's you know It comes back You know, I Shouldn't do this but there was a guy in New York That actually was selling Chuck E cheese tokens for as Bitcoin That's funny Awesome, and yeah before we move on to the next round of questions. I just have To a reminder for our audience again. So for those who are tuning in We are talking with Nolan Bushnell and Matt Defoe about Moxie Which is an online platform that brings esports the world with the power of blockchain and community So if you have any questions, just don't hesitate to write them in the comments sections and we're gonna ask we're gonna ask those questions at the end of the AMA to our guests so yeah, let's move on and Talking about regulation. So how does Moxie handle regulatory requirements? So this is a really important thing for us the regulatory side of Moxie is probably the most important thing for us because like having a developer or a publisher trust us with their player base trust us with their game and In a in a situation where it's actual real rewards like this is this is real value We're not talking skins and dances. We're talking you can turn this into real reward We've got someone in the studio using this laptop They're trying to set it up for the event as you can see behind us This is gonna be one of our gaming stations. So we'll have a Yassi in here doing that Yeah, we got stuff Do you want to go tell them no one that sounds on this laptop? Yeah. Yeah, just go tell them because someone's using this Yeah, so for us regulatory is so important because you've seen how people act online Yeah Yeah, so Because as you know As you know how everyone acts online is a totally different thing than how you act in real life You can see the biggest most Vitriol toxic troll in the world behind a keyboard and mouse and he'll be like hello Sir nice to meet you in real life But boy the things that guy will say when he's behind his behind his computer screen in the quiet of his own home with the gamer tag like super awesome guy 89, right? We have full KYC up front a lot of people don't like it But we're not gonna be able to get these publishers if you want to have a fortnight or a League of Legends Or a CS go on moxie the only way that is ever gonna work is by having No one Bushnell played Matt DeFauw and everybody knows this really is the guy and this really is the guy so if you're doing some weird stuff and running some bots and We'll know who you are and that's not gonna fly It works when you're on epic and you can go best gamer in the world 22 with gmail.com Cheat get shut down and then 20 minutes later start up best gamer in the world 23 at gmail.com and do it again on a VPN That doesn't work with moxie because these are real rewards and we're super super super careful about Protecting you the moxie club member that you have a rewarding experience But if you're gonna put your heart and money into a moxie prize pool that what you're doing actually will Revealed with some results for you that are good and fair We're protecting the publisher to make sure that their client their gamer is treated like a king or queen and Making sure that the whole industry knows and trusts moxie that when we say People in this match should be here. They should be there in terms of I'm the right age I'm in the right jurisdiction. I'm doing all the right things. So it's just a trust thing just like blockchain trust, right? We have to do that on the people side. We already got the money side handle with the blockchain technology But we're gonna do that on the people side with the people that should be there are there, of course and Maybe now we could tell us more about the people that are behind moxie. So the team that That makes up the project. So who are the key members? What background do they have? Well, we got this guy and he's in it every day. That's the thing Everyone always asked me and I tell them like so how much you pay in these guys to this lend them your name We're not doing that. They're literally there every day like now they're not they are so we've got Nolan We've got Larry Siegel ex-president of Atari and SVP at Sega We have Stuart Bell the guy who hired Sid Meyer to build civilizations We've got Tony Bickley as our chief product officer who did everything from Street Fighter 2 to all the European versions of Skyrim We've got Frank Malou from Nintendo. We've got game people We've also got really strong internet people like dr. Steve Crocker Who is one of the main IEEE guys from back in the day who really wrote IPv4 if you look them up It's amazing We've got guys like Duma Wenchuk who did Assassin's Creed. We've got Brian Weissman from grinding gear who did Pathmex We've got a ton of genres all the way from the first games Pong all the way to the most recent games and just knowing the industry. It's really key for Monty. So we also have What we call the no asshole So everybody that we have in the company, I like you know you go to dinner and you have a good time We don't have a single asshole Except maybe me I don't think so It's what it's awesome We've had a several like multi hour big huge team meetings and we go and we turn and turn and turn and turn and turn through All these things that no one's like well, you know, I Was thinking this this and this and we're like, oh my god We just talked for two and a half hours Why don't we just ask him from the beginning because everything we talked about for two to three hours completely invalidated But the this this and this was actually the right thing to do That's where we came with the whole e-sports for all we were like, yeah We should do this web three thing and we should do all these cool things and mom's like e-sports Rewards simple make it fun. Make it fun. Yeah, I mean you talking to you guys Makes he makes me want to be part of your team. It seems like a fun team to work with Well, I think it's seem like you pass the no asshole test So, yeah, I just want to talk a little bit more about the future now So as we move as we move on to what's the end of the anime I just want to ask you what is your big vision for moxie in the next three to five years? And what kind of impact do you want it to have on e-sports? Games games games players players players. That's our focus right now Honestly more games more players and if you want to know on the technical side There's a lot of limitations to the current L ones out there and the gaming industry Video game industry, we should clarify that video game industry deserves its own L one that is specifically tailored to the needs So I think we might do that in partnership with some of the largest publishers out there So that's their blockchain for their industry and moxie can be the ecosystem of shepherd like we are on the e-sports side Because we're not a publisher. We don't want to do our own games. We don't want to be there We just like Epic or so he needs a credit card processor or a bag They need moxie to help them with their e-sports angle. So that's where we want to you know And when when you have the ability to Have a monetary challenge The type of game sometimes that becomes very important changes Because you know playing for funsies is one thing Playing when you've got skin in the game. That's a whole nother ball game. And so so I Like to say, you know, there's a lot of very complex elaborate wonderful chess pieces. They've been designed but in terms Black and white wooden pieces that were basically designed 300 years ago 400 years ago. And so I Think that a lot of the games are going to have that same construct simple simple simple and Because now you don't want any ambiguity because you have something riding on it. And so I Actually think we're going to be surprised at the direction and what is Popular here. Yeah, and I as a closing as a closing question I would like just to Understand your view on the current state of the video game industry and e-sports. So what according to you are the main problems affecting the Video game industry and e-sports at the moment and how blockchain and crypto can help solve those problems Well, I think To me, I feel like we've got a little bit into a little bit of a rut If you really look at the major games They're basically derivatives of things that were done 20 years ago, you know, and so We haven't seen a breakout innovation For a while like I consider Tetris to have been a breakout innovation It was a game that was very very different than things before But I'm always looking for a breakout innovation changes everything I'm looking forward to a Little bit more on some of the VR stuff and the new Apple AR VR headset looks amazing Haven't played with one yet But I think that Games that have physicality along with cerebral That's if you would I'm looking forward to some things like that. I Also think that the very existence of blockchain can allow for some things that Merge, I mean, there's a lot of innovation going on in the board game business, right? And I think a lot of that is going to kind of lead into the video game side Yeah, let's Let's move on to the questions from the audience because we have a couple of questions from the viewers who are super excited about Moxie I can see a lot of questions a lot of reactions. So this is This is great. I would say I See indie farms asked what are the advantages of Moxie to make me interested in buying and even holding for the long term That he means that the token I think So the global gaming token Moxie you'll be able to use that for engaging in your favorite content Joining our our events joining our tournaments joining online gameplay ad hoc or formalized events. So As you see More gamers and more games come on. I think we all know what happens But I know I think that you would be ill advised To think of this token as a security that's going to go up in value We really actually don't want it to we want it to just be a utility token That you can wager with it may change in value a little bit, but not much so if you're saying you want to You want to buy a bunch so that it can go up. I Think that would really be a dumb idea. I Think I love you guys are very happy with you No, we're as you know, we are sick. We are a utility token a hundred percent We're very the ripple decision lately. It definitely helps all the way around Now that token value is not going to dictate whether something is a security or not That's going to definitely help everything now that we can list on exchanges freely without having to go and Hope that someone in the ecosystem lists for us and all the things that were happening in the industry for the last couple years That ripple decision definitely made everything a lot more clear for People like moxie and other people in the space that they can freely operate and run a business and know that they're going to be Save from this very scary letter that they think is coming at some point for us Moxie's overall value only increases by number of games number of gamers and number of token holders, so Very simple answer. It's going to be really great long-term for everyone in the system Yeah, that that decision ripple decision was definitely landmark one for Yeah, really think for many projects around the world. So Yeah, I think I think we have time for one last question from the audience. How do you see the project in about five years? lemon ugu asks For me, I see it as The biggest games and the most number of players you look at something like League of Legends LCS We could be completely automating that entire process on the payments and the laddering and the season and everything for Large games so they can take that part just take it off their plate Everything is totally transparent. It's all on chain. We can see who played who when and what the outcomes You're going to see an entirely different Methodology of play come out of moxie. Plus you're going to see People on streaming services be able to monetize their communities because now with moxie We could have either an advertiser based or like a twitch streamer against a beast or someone like that say hey Join the ten million dollar pool and I'm putting it all together And then moxie just automates that entire process for them Their players don't need to actually put anything into the prize pool the prize book be externally Funded from an advertiser or the streamer themselves. So you're going to see really interesting Content that's able to be monetized now where it wasn't before before it was monetized by Just you two or twitch or whatever But now you can have those influencers or streamers Collect monetization because they are collecting a piece of the prize book by engaging that community So you're going to see really interesting comment content coming out over the next little while I When you go into the future The stuff that I want is I've always wanted to have a A game of capture of flags in which you have the east coast against the west coast And everybody has to put in ten mox to play And there's a million people playing That is a given to me so that every saturday night at Five o'clock six o'clock You know specific eight o'clock time You really want to have all those things happen and then We have the usa against europe and then we have The usa against europe and you know asia and I just think that when you have that kind of stuff with mox on the line I just think that becomes a world phenomenon because if you got a million people doing something or two million Then all of a sudden Is twitch gonna follow it? With an eye in the sky, you know A helicopter flying over the battlefield You know and You know, it's just I feel like A great big hua can be enabled by this system then and uh And so all of a sudden You know, there was a time in the early days of television where The streets would be bare because everybody was watching a particular show. Yeah I don't want to recapture that with the gaming environment which all of a sudden the bar is empty because everybody's doing Getting part of that thing. So that's my big dream. Is it gonna happen? I think so some some Some part of it. I ykyk That sounds like a great vision for the future and a great way to Uh close up this AMA session. So yeah, I just want to thank both of you null and net for coming on our show. You were Incredibly, it was incredibly interested in inside inside fool and also fun. So Thanks a lot for coming on our show I also would like to ask you guys to share with our audience how they can get in touch with you To know more about moxie and to keep up to date about the latest developments of your project. So I would encourage everyone to watch ballad the influencers coming up in half an hour or so And join at club dot moxie dot i o join moxie club today get be a part of it And join in on our socials. You can talk directly with me on our telegram channel I'm always in there a moxie official On our discord channel. There's a whole bunch of ways you can engage directly with the community. We've cut a really fun Fun even in the deepest darkest depths of the bear market The moxie official telegram channel is this little bright beacon of hope and light. Everyone was so happy. There was no fun There's like we love moxie. We love this so great. Then you go to any other channel. She's like Oh I would also everybody to appreciate this is a scissor g t-shirt scissor g Was the name of a tarry before before we incorporated That's what we started with this shirt comes from 1970 It's one of two in the world. Yeah, there's only two of them and I decided to wear it to To honor you We are we are honored to to have you are to have you on with that epic t-shirt and Yeah, so that was again very helpful Thanks a lot knowledge met for being with us today And those to thank to our listeners for joining the conversation and being incredibly active and excited about the project I hope to see you again on our next going telegraph show. I'm Giovanni your host Uh, stay tuned for the video that is going to play in a few seconds and yeah, see you next time Thank you everyone really nice