 Call the eight things a regular meeting on the Common Council order. Would you please call the roll seat clerk? D-Berg Eber here Serta here Davis. Yeah, you're here. Listen here Myer here Montemay or here. Racky here. So golly here step in here. Sushia here, then after it and 16 present all my graph Thank you your honor. I would move that the minutes of the previous council meeting be and I Would move that we We dispense with the reading of the minutes of the previous Common Council minutes and the same standard proved is entered on the record There's a motion to second to approve the minutes. Is there any discussion? There being non-olds in favor state aye aye any opposed motion carries minutes stand to prove I'd ask all of them D-Berg to please lead us pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands One nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all Thank You all of them Berg Next we have public forum madam clerk first on the list would be Tom Gessler Tom could you give us your home address, please? 1711 south 12th Street Sheboygan south 12. Yes, okay, and you will have five minutes Tom Okay, I was reading through the agenda tonight, and I see number two in misinformation in the community I wanted to make a couple comments on that One of the big misunderstandings I believe has to do being this time of year with taxes coming up has to do with the Wages and the salary of the city employees Okay, I hear on the radio one time they have a call and show somebody's making a hundred and eighteen thousand dollars a year Next time we're here on the shoulder making ninety the next time I hear they're making eighty Okay, I don't have a problem with that, but I think it's a big misunderstanding what I'm proposing is The Sheboygan press could possibly Publish the wages and the salaries of the city employees being that it is public record could possibly Published that once a year or every other year, and then they could also put with that The requirements such as you must have a master's degree for this particular job or The education that might be required because somebody might look and say gee this fell is making ninety five thousand dollars a year Well, then they're gonna have to show that Perhaps they had six eight years of college and that would be the reason why Okay, the next The next thing I have a comment on is the spaceport I think that we should take a real hard look before we make this okay because Right now we have several other projects in the community that I've talked to other people about such as the Marina Blue Harbor and a lot of the people are telling me They can't afford to sponsor this stuff anymore. It's getting quite costly They're afraid the taxes this year were were about even very good I think you guys did a good job But they're afraid in the in the near future if we do something big project such as this spaceport that Taxes are gonna jump up considerably and a lot of people have Concerned about this issue including myself. I would say that we should really look into these big projects and Maybe do some real good investigating because I really don't think the people can afford some of these projects right now and In closing, I'm just trying to say I'm not against development I think that it's great that we have development in this city As a matter of fact, I'd like to see maybe 10 or 12 industries come here to pay a respectable wage $15-$20 an hour. I think it would it would be great. I'm for development all the way But I'm just asking that you really consider when you do these larger projects Keep the taxpayer in mind and look at the long term 20-25 years down the road what could happen? Thank you. Thank you, Tom Next on the list is Lee Montemay or Maybe could you give us your home address, please? 1015 Logan, Sheboygan, Wisconsin And you'll have five minutes. Thank you madam city clerk Richard's mayor and the council for allowing me this time To express my concerns tonight. I bring up the subject of electrical shock weapons Which I think may be a liability to our city Due to the lack of medical studies on these weapons The testing of a single pig and five dogs before being issued to law enforcement departments is flawed The studies do not include the immediate and future effects on humans These studies are now being conducted by law enforcement And are leaving a trail of dead and injured humans that seems to be have been used as guinea pigs As a result of this There are numerous lawsuits against the manufacturer due to the lack of information and about its non lethal weapons claim The first of many trials against this product is currently in progress Various city and police departments are also in the process of the lawsuits for wrongful death claims Millions of dollars have already been awarded in wrongful death in humane and excessive force complaints The use of these weapons on humans is highly questionable to say the least and all of them dead humans do not talk Because the company no longer can claim that the weapon is non-lethal Many police departments have now stopped or suspended the use of these weapons. I Asked this council to please Not use these weapons until you have made rules on this usage My first suggestion would be not to require Our police officers to be electrocuted in order to carry this weapon The manufacturer of this weapon requires a signed waiver stating that the individual Will not bring a legal action against this product or the manufacturer before volunteering I do not want my police officers to be Suggested to this sadistic and inhumane torture just to be authorized to carry this weapon We don't require officers to get shot by a bullet in order to carry a gun and this weapon is just as deadly The restriction on the deployment of this weapon should be one step above the use of a firearm and then and only then Perhaps tightly regulating rules would save lives and legal actions Against our city and law enforcement officers Wish at this time we could ill afford All a person this gun is what causes possible death This little device here It's an implanted defibrillator that saves lives the gun causes possible sudden death Fibrillation by an electrical shock and the internal defibrillator Electrically shocks the heart back to a normal heart rhythm If we could implant this device into everyone then we could solve the problem of sudden death caused by an electrical stun gun But this is neither probable or feasible The gun cost is $800 This is $25,000 and doesn't include the medical cost to implant the device As you can see it's a lot less to kill a human than to save a human's life Life is precious and I ask that you take every precaution you have in your power to prevent possible death In our country all citizens are innocent until proven guilty And not restricting the use of this weapon makes the user judge jury an executioner But just pull the trigger on this torture weapon Thank you Thank You Lee Next on the list is Jeff Schucho Jeff could you give us your home address, please? Yes, my address is 2303 South 17th Street And you will have five minutes Thank you The subject I'd like to discuss tonight is in regards to the Wisconsin Aerospace Science Complex and spaceport and The topic in particular is utilization of mass transit for visitors coming from out of town This service might be utilized by using existing mall parking lots just off the interstate exits coming into Sheboygan The malls will draw additional business to their stores Mass transit usage by visitors will alleviate traffic and parking congestion in downtown and lakefront areas also Our former Sheboygaul invasion problem area west of the south side Pigley-Wigley could possibly be utilized for parking I Then made some cost time analysis revenue generating Rough estimates that'll just help give us an idea as to what sort of Help this might be in revenue generation for our community here Low-end estimate for weekends based on the 52-day weekends a year Times 500 visitors a day equals 50,000 visitors a year in that 52-day weekend period The high-end estimate of those weekends based on two 50-day weekends a year By 1,500 visitors a day would equal 150,000 visitors a year See three months of summer weekdays equals 60 weekdays during the summer months 500 visitors a day times 60 weekdays equals 30,000 visitors a year D nine months of fall winter and spring weekdays times 250 visitors a day equals 45,000 visitors a day now I broke this down a little bit for everyone because obviously as the seasons change We could expect that the attendance at a facility such as this would vary also accordingly Now low and the next step would be obviously to tally up these totals on a low-end and high-end basis Low-end yearly visitor estimate totals a plus c plus d equals 125,000 visitors a year now I based a based a fee on our current charges for mass transit utilization in this in this study Which would be shuttle service provided three dollars charge to a shuttle service Times 125,000 visitors a year would equal revenue of 375,000 dollars a year that would come directly from mass transit the high-end yearly visitor estimate totals B plus C plus D Which equals 225,000 visitors a year a $3 charge for a two-way shuttle service times 225,000 visitors a year equals 675,000 dollars a year in revenue Presently mass transit operates at a loss costing taxpayers approximately $600,000 a year so we might even be able to see mass transit turn into a profitable entity for our community This came to mind when I Read an article about concerns in the press and I looked at a lot of these other concerns also This was an article Named titled Sheboygan's future in space dated 12 1105 and I've looked at these and I'd be happy to address them in the future and I've already done some studies on the Sheboygan County Airport and the requirements that might be incurred by that for the civilian aerospace program the support Missions that would be required for the satellite launching and future shuttle launches out in the Lake Michigan Which by the way in regards to some of these problems. I've been informed that that that Platform might resemble a giant oil rig which would be Quite possibly a couple miles offshore So a lot of noise issues and a lot of issues that have been raised in that article May not really be an issue at all and I would just encourage the media and the citizens to keep an open mind towards this because I View this as possibly one of the greatest revenue Enhancing opportunities that we've ever seen here. Thank you very much. Thank you, Jeff Next on the list is John Burner John, can you give us your home address, please? 1919 Broadway And you will have five minutes. Okay. Good evening mayor council members I listened to Mrs. Montmire and I was going to speak of something else, but I like to comment on what he has talked about How many people in this common council ever had to subdue somebody somebody that was really Quackle kind of Not just a drunk, but somebody overpowering other than you have Mr. Montmire. Yes, sir. Not easy task All through high school. That was my job. No, not just high school. We're not talking about kids anymore We're talking people big People on drugs. Mr. Burner, please address the council. You're here to let our drugs people are an alcohol It's not an easy task You talk about It has a lethal weapon People in the martial arts their hands are lethal weapons boxers hands lethal weapons A pen is a lethal weapon used in a wrong way. There is Just about everything the police officer carries can be considered a lethal weapon laws Who's have been brought against police for the use of patons hand cuffs? You name it When you some it's a last resort and What as a last resort you want to use is a bullet or something? Hopefully will not harm the man or woman physically There is nothing certain in this life except death To say something is bug free You can't I think instead of taking out a revolver a nine millimeter this Other weapon as you want to call it I Would consider that to be the best method because they're not going to use it unless they Absolutely have to they're going to treat it as any other kind of firearm And if you don't think the police are going to do it that way I Then you don't have much faith in you faith in the police department. I Think it is a better option than to have nine millimeter rounds flying around with some somebody that's just Gone a little out of proportion I mean they just didn't walk in the courthouse They use the song on twice on the person got him into an ambulance into a hospital right away Now if they would have had a taken out a pistol You know It was up in the courthouse. I mean how many people are in a courthouse Please don't get to pick the grounds they work on it Just comes when it comes And another thing I I was thinking about and bothered me from the lab from common council meetings back is when people saying well We can cut the overtime and the police don't have to issue as many tickets and another thing was The city is not a collection agency for fines. Well, that's probably why there's so many fines over the city somebody has to collect them and I don't think the police like working all this overtime. I wouldn't I mean that's a very Small area in a vehicle They speed to be spending how many hour after hours With just your communications and then if you go out and get a coffee in the doughnut you get a he's getting his doughnut now I I Don't think they like the overtime neither. I know when we're working. Yes, we're happy to help people out with the overtime but after a while hey no, I Didn't care for it. It takes away from your your your family and the stress I'm certain the stress and the police officers being combined and with what they do and That's all I got to say. Thank you, John And last on the list is Don Cook Don, could we have your home address, please? 923 Dillingham Avenue Dillingham. Yes, you'll have five minutes I would like to thank Mayor Perez and the members of the Common Council for this opportunity to speak I would like to take this time to talk about the safety of our police officers and the general public We all go to work every day expecting to return home uninjured We expect to work in a safe environment and be given the tools to be able to work safely We should be treating the police department in the same manner Through November of this year. The police department has had 32 deputy Duty-incurred injuries due to struggles with uncooperative citizens Six of those injuries were severe enough to result in medical attention Other than first aid at a cost of the city of over $6,000 In recent past years, there were three very serious injuries that might have been prevented if the officers had the tasers One had serious knee damage one had a brain injury and one had a sold shoulder injury The medical cost for these three injuries alone is now over a hundred five thousand dollars This cost is still climbing because two of the three injured officers are still receiving medical treatment for their injuries Through November of this year. The police department has logged 50 lost time days Duty injuries caused from struggles with uncooperative citizens at a cost of about ten thousand dollars With these rates one-third of all officers can expect to be injured on the job every year at a large cost to the city tasers are a tool police officers can use to subdue the uncooperative citizens safely and quickly According to statistics released by the Cincinnati police department tasers have helped decrease police officer injuries by 56 percent and suspect injuries by 35 percent Spending the money on tasers whether from the budget or from donations is A small price to pay to help guarantee the safety of our police officers the innocent bystanders and the uncooperative citizens They are trying to control. I commend the older persons who voted keep to keep the tasers in the budget and accept the anonymous donations to fund them Our police officers should have the same right to go home at the end of a shift uninjured as you and I do. Thank you Thank you, Don Thank you everyone The next item on the agenda is one of the things that america gets to do That I most definitely find great pleasure in doing And yet at the same time find great sadness Pleasure because we get to recognize an individual who has Demonstrated over and over again his commitment and devotion to our community Sadness because he has decided to retire so he will no longer be a part of our staff Although I think he won't be leaving us for too long. You might be around I'm speaking of chief zire and I'd ask that he please step forward. I'd like to recognize you, sir Chief Zire began working with the Shabuigan fire department in 1972. I believe And that's an interesting date for me because that's when I graduated from high school So I decided to go to college that so I can remember that from now on But chief Zire has worked himself up the ranks. He became a Chief of fire chief. He has done a remarkable outstanding job He has distinguished himself both at their professional and advocate for his department and advocate for the community We will certainly miss you and the great job that you've done Although I know that you've left behind a great legacy and a great man to follow your footsteps Chief Zire and I have not always agreed this morning was one instance But he has always been a respectful man Very courteous very decent and very professional And although we don't agree at all times and in times we do I still have great respect and admiration for you Chief Zire for the faithful and dedicated service to the Shabuigan fire department of the city of Shabuigan Hereby recognized Thank you very kind I don't know mayor Perez madam clerk city attorney McLean members of this Common Council members of many many previous Common Councils that I've worked for and the citizens of Shabuigan who I have proudly Sir who I've been able to proudly serve and who have given me a lot of support over my years of department I Serve this department as a fire for over 12 years For as an officer for a 16 years and as your fire chief for the last five years It's been an honor and a pleasure to work for one of the best cities in the state of Wisconsin we owe that To you the council to previous councils to give all of us the tools to make this say that great city That's been written about safest city best city to live It also is a reason for the reason we got that is from our city employees All the city employees work hard to make this city a great city And I also want the citizens to know that in my five years as being a department head I have worked with excellent department heads who always think in the best interest of the city Who try and spend the money in the right way and do the right thing? We aren't always perfect, but we worked as a team to make this city what it is as our predecessors also did So to all city employees. I thank you for your cooperation with my department to my department Who I'm very very proud of We'll give it all to the citizens of the city day in and day out I thank you for your support of me and the staff to make this department one of the best in the state I'd also like the citizens to know That yes I'm leaving but there's a good man coming to take my place And you can be assured that he will give his best to make sure the city should wagon is a very safe place to live Thank you. I'm honored And I'll miss you, but I'm a stage boy Next item when the agenda Will be the mayor's comments. There's three things I'd like to briefly touch on and then there's any alderman that would like to Perhaps discuss these issues a little couple of issues further. I'd be glad to talk to you about them One is the citizens budget survey that we're conducting right now and one is refers to misinformation in the community The citizens budget survey is an ongoing thing right now People have the opportunity to respond to the concerns that were raised during the 16 listening sessions The deadline for the survey to do you allow to to complete is December 31st, so there's still Some time left if there's anyone that would like to respond the survey itself has generated some controversy More so because a couple of things that I can recall that have stood up more than anything else One being that perhaps there should have been Some staff involvement in the construction of the questions There's reasons why there wasn't any staff involvement in construction But if I offended any of my department heads for not including you I apologize to you We all learn as above long have only been a mayor eight months I'm doing the best I possibly can Put in 10 12 hours a day working hard Just keeping my eyes focused on what we needs to be done Trying to regroup restructure rebuild and that's all I'm trying to do. I'm not out to get anyone I'm not out to offend anyone I'm not out to tarnish anyone's reputation I'm not out to get any department head or any department in general. I Just want to do a good job and that was a whole basis for doing the survey The survey will have value and I think it will have tremendous value to me as I put together the next budget We've heard and we all know that next year is not going to be an easy year Fiscally, we're gonna have some tough times again and when there's tough times Tough times can get a little disruptive for government disruptive for Departments and so forth. I asked be patient with me. I asked department heads to be patient with me I'm going to do my job as fairly and equitable as I possibly can I've said many many times. I will not pick favorites. I cannot pick favorites. I Don't run one department. I have to run the entire city and I have to be very careful That I don't start picking favorites because that's not fair to the ones that aren't the favorites So again, the citizen budget survey is ongoing December 31st the deadline you can still pick up forms in my office You can fill it out online that's being done as we speak and I hope that all citizens and anyone else From the city departments will participate and give me their input with respect to the questions that we're asking Next that the next item would be the misinformation in the community Shiboyan is a great city. We have lots of great people In particular, we have lots of great people who care about our government and they've gotten involved in our government more than ever I think when I was an alderman one of my dreams was to really bring city government to the spotlight. I Wanted people to see what we're doing. I wanted people to see how we spend our money I wanted people to see how we conduct ourselves and we conduct business. I wanted people to see How great we were. I wanted people to see how concerned we were about them and their lives and their jobs and livelihoods and how our power as a council Impacts their lives Whether we want to or not every time we vote We impact somebody's life in some way Minor or large we do it every time we meet as a committee as a council. I Know you know that I don't have to say that But I say that because we can never forget the power that this council has over a community and That the vote that you make or cast does not impact just your district But the entire community when it's taken collectively so collectively this council has a lot of power The misinformation comes in When votes go one way or go the other way When a survey is constructed in such a way that perhaps somebody didn't like And there's information that comes out In chat lines Sometimes radio sometimes out in the streets sometimes in our own departments And people have a tendency to express themselves And I will never deny anyone the opportunity to do that. That's what this whole country is about Our freedom to be able to express ourselves any way we'd like Without having to be fearful of that but I ask That if you have a doubt That there's information out there. It's not true Please call the office. Please call your alderman and talk to them ask them is this true? Mr. Gessler made a comment earlier About how every time you hear about who is making how much money it changes There shouldn't there shouldn't be a reason for that to happen. It shouldn't happen in radio It shouldn't happen in the paper. It shouldn't happen in our hallways. It shouldn't happen in our city departments It shouldn't happen at all Yet it does and we have to live with that because we're only human beings, but I ask That if you don't know Please find out we're not gonna withhold any information from anyone. We are a public records institution Everything is done up on top and if it's not you come talk to me We're gonna make sure it is Find out take it upon yourself to find out what is true because there can be a lot of rumor a lot of gossip a lot of innuendo a lot of entertainment Some people just have fun with it But if it's not true it can be Damaging to our community it can be damaging to this effort to unite this council to unite this community It can hurt us so I ask please take it upon yourselves to find out what is true And if it's true we deal with it if it's not and we have to correct it We have a duty and an obligation to our community and to ourselves To make sure that when we talk about things They're true Haven't said that It's a time to reflect what we've done in the past. We're going into a new year Christmas is coming great times of head. I Have a lot to be thankful for I Have a lot to be very grateful for and having to work with a council that I have now Again as I said earlier, we may not always agree, but that's okay That's okay We move on and life goes on and we have to conduct business nonetheless and make the best decisions possible For our community. That's all we're here for. I want to wish everyone and I hope I don't get in trouble folks a Very very Merry Christmas because lately you can't say that but that's the way my parents taught me Until someone can teach me otherwise. I will do what my parents taught me Merry Christmas, and a happy new year to every one of you. Thank you We have one hearing three or three hearings, okay, we have three hearings Number one to amend the city of Sheboygan official zoning ordinance so as to increase the permit fee for a driveway permit from 25 to $35 Second hearing to repeal and recreate the city of Sheboygan's floodplain zoning ordinance Be an appendix a to the sheboygan municipal code The third hearing for the vacation and discontinuance of a portion of the unpaved East West alley between High Avenue and Swift Avenue Is there anyone that would like to address the council on any one of those hearings? Is there anyone that would like to address the council? And I need to say it one more time. Is there anyone that would like to address the council on any of those three hearings? There being none all man graph. Thank you, your honor. I would move that the hearings to close There's a motion to second to close hearings. Is there any discussion? There being none all those in favor state aye Any opposed motion carries hearings are closed Consent agenda all the man graph Thank you, your honor item 18 one through 18 13 I Would move that all our O's be accepted and filed all our C's be accepted and adopted and we pass all resolutions Met we'd like to have 18 three be referred back to PPI So it'll be 18 one to 18 13 with the exception of 18 three is there a second to that motion Second Under discussion all of them and Susha Thank you, mr. Mayor. I would like item 18 six referred back to finance so we can obtain a legal opinion before we vote on this 18 six will be referred back to finance Anything else all men There being on please call the roll D-Berg Eberg Serta Davis graph Kittleson Nanny Meyer Montemayor Racky Segali Stefan Susha I van Akron Vander wheel and Bellman 16 eyes motion carries communications and petitions 1814 through 1816 except 1815 will be referred back to public work except 1815 will be referred to public protection and safety and public works Reports of officers to 1817 by City Planning Commission Recommendant amendment the text of the Zonian ordinance so as to increase a permit fee for a driveway permit from 25 to 35 dollars Alderman Montemayor Thank you your honor. I moved to accept and file the report of officer and pass the ordinance There's a motion in a second under discussion All women's a golly Thank you, mr. Mayor with the increase of these fees that are taking place Could you please tell me is this money going back into the gender of this money going into the general fund or were with This extra ten dollars does it go to where is it going? These fees permit fees go to the general fund. Yes. Okay. Thank you Any other questions Please call the roll Eberg Serta Davis graph Kittleson Manny Meijer Montemayor Racky Sigali Stefan Sushia van Akron van der wheel Bowman and Dberg 16 eyes Motion carries 1818 lies over 1819 through 1822 to be referred Resolutions introduced 3 1823 by Alderman Sushia requesting the Sheboyin County Board and or the appropriate County Board Committee to consider Lauren the speed limit when County Highway ok from Whedon Creek Road to 500 feet south of Riverdale Avenue From 45 miles per hour to 35 miles per hour Alderman Sushia Thank you, mr. Mayor. I move that the resolution be put upon its passage Motion is second under discussion Alderman Sigali Thank you, mr. Mayor. I just would like to inform the public that we had that speed limit From 55 down put down to 45 and at the time that we had done this and this was even before I became older person We were fighting because I lived in that area Concerning all the accidents and having fighting to have something done in Whedon Creek and okay and The county at that time refused to bring it down to 35 They said they were willing to do the 45, but they did not want to do the 35 So I'm hoping that This resolution will help but at that time it they wouldn't do it so As long as you're aware of that. Thank you, Alderman Sigali, and I will add under discussion that I plan to have Some discussions with the county officials about that to see if we can once and for all deal with this issue To the safety of the community. Thank you Any other comments discussion they're being on please call the roll Serta Davis Ralph Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemay or Radke Sigali I Stefan Sushia Van Akron Vander wheel Baumann Dberg and eberg 16 eyes Motion carries 1824 to 1828 lies over 1829 to 1831 to be referred Reporter committees 6 By law and license 1832 by law and licensing recommended denying taxi cab drivers license number 69 59 Based on failure to cooperate with the committee and failure to reveal all violations. Alderman manning. Thank you, your honor If you have the committee I move that we accept and adopt the report of the committee There's a motion to second To accept and adopt under discussion Thank you, your honor. I do need to ask if charles burns is here Is charles burns here? Is charles burns here Your honor he is not here. Thank you. Alderman manning Is there any other discussion? They're being on please call the roll Davis Graf Kittleson Manning Meyer Montemayor Radke Sigali Stefan Sushia Van Akron Vander wheel Baumann Dberg Eberg and surda 16 eyes Motion carries 1833 to be referred Reporter committees 8 1834 by finance recommended authorizing the transfer of appropriations in the 205 budget Thank you, your honor 1834 Which is the rc in resolution for A transfer of appropriations for the police department donation from contributions to taser guns in the amount of $2,000 that that rc and 1835 also through 40. I would move that all rc's be accepted and and Adopted and then all the resolutions will be put upon their passage and I'll go through them if you'd like 1835 is um Is a transfer of funds from um Tid 8 through tid uh from tid 8 debt service fund to through to Tid 8 construction fund in the amount of 29,550 dollars 1836 is a transfer Of of revenue and appropriations for transit paratransit vehicles Going from the transit utility fund federal grant subsidy to the paratransit vehicles in the amount of 144,000 and then also a transfer from the Motor vehicle fund the inter fund transfer to the paratransit vehicle fund in the amount of 36,000 dollars 1837 Is a transfer uh estimated revenue and appropriations for donations received for the sculpture purchase in the amount of 2115 Uh an estimated revenue and appropriations for fund rating fund raising proceeds by the international committee in the amount of 298 29 um establishing estimate revenue and appropriations for remediation expenses from River Park Place in the amount of 10,000 dollars 1838 is a Is establishing the revenue and appropriations for environmental tid professional services Uh in the amount of 2303 1839 is uh establishing estimated revenue and appropriations for mead library self-check system from everhardt fur trust funds in the amount of 71,686 dollars and then 1840 is establishing the appropriations for um the non-represented salary social security and wisconsin retirement benefit increases um And I don't have the total amount on that but um It's for the various departments on coming out of salary contingency account to the various salary accounts Thank you. Thank you. I'll interrupt in a second Thank you for being patient omenberg Any discussion they're being on please call the roll graph Kittleson Manny Meijer Montemayor Hi radki Hi Sigali Hi Stefan Hi Sushia Hi Van Akron Hi Vanderwheel Hi Bauman D-Berg Hi Eber Hi Serda Hi And Davis 16 eyes Motion carries 18 ordinances introduced 10 1841 lies over 1842 to be referred Matters laid over 11 1637 an RO number 420506 By the city plan commission relating to vacating the unpaved east west alley between high avenue and swift avenue Allerman ontemayor Thank you your honor. I move the report of officer be accepted and filed and the ordinance be passed There's a motion in the second Under discussion They're being on please call the roll Kittleson Manny Hi Meijer Hi Montemayor Hi Radki Hi Sigali Hi Stefan Hi Sushia Hi Van Akron Hi Vanderwheel Hi Bauman Hi D-Berg E-Berg Hi Serda Hi Davis Hi And graph Hi Excuse me 16 eyes Motion carries 17 four matters laid over RO number 4440506 By the city plan commission repealing and recreating the city of shabuigan's flood plain zoning ordinance being appendix a to the municipal To the shabuigan municipal code Allerman montemayor Thank you your honor I move the report of officer be accepted and filed and the ordinance be passed Motion in second under discussion They're being on please call the roll Manny Hi Meijer Hi Montemayor Hi Radki Hi Sigali Sigali RO number 4440506 by the city plan commission repealing and recreating the city of shabuigan's flood plain zoning ordinance being appendix a to the shabuigan municipal code Okay Stefan Hi Sushia Hi Van Akron Hi Vanderwheel Hi Baumann Hi Dieberg Hi Eberg Hi Hi Serda Hi Davis Hi Graph And Kittleson 16 eyes Motion carries Matters laid over 1727 RO number 444090506 By the civil service commission re-establishing the salary for the position of all the person of the city of shabuigan Hallerman Eberg Thank you. I wouldn't move it through the report of officer be accepted and filed and that the general ordinance number 68 or 506 be placed upon his passage Second There's a motion and second under discussion under discussion. Thank you your honor This relates to the alderman salaries for the year of 2007 and 2008 The current salary level of 4668 was established of 2003 and has stayed at that particular level until the current time And will remain that at that level throughout 2006 the 2007 and 2008 Increase is approximately 1.5 percent Which is consistent with the the money that we had budgeted in the last Year for salary raises for staff This came out of the civil service commission to receive his hack barth and Also, mr. Serrick our president if there is questions that there are questions that relate to how they arrived at this figure Thank you alderman bird Under discussion alderman susha Thank you, mr. Mayor. I was unable to attend the civil service meeting. I really had wanted to Discuss this issue with those folks I want to talk a little bit about some of the extremes that the city goes to when it comes to salaries I know the last couple of meetings. I've gotten up and I've spoken about some of the positions receiving Guaranteed 25 percent pay increase over a three-year period of time When they're promoted and I don't really agree with a 25 Pay increase over a period of time. I do agree that if somebody is promoted they do deserve A one-time pay increase, but then it should not drag into the second year in the third year But on the other extreme when you look at the way we're treating some of our new newly hired employees We promise them a pay increase if they successfully complete the probationary period And after that we told them they'd get a pay increase and what's been happening is Uh, they they make it through that and we give them a zero percent increase So my question is what type of incentive are we giving to these employees these new people If you tell them you're going to give them a raise and they do what they're supposed to do They deserve some type of a raise even if it's the 1.5 percent at the end of the six month period Another extreme is when you look at what the library library board did last week when they Gave the library director a five-year unprecedented contract paying a minimum of over 94 thousand dollars a year and put provisions in there that virtually make it impossible to Relieve that person of their duties Without paying them the full five hundred thousand dollars worth of the contract You compare that to the other extreme where the aldermanic pay Right now is at 89 dollars a week I'll say that again the alderman are paid 89 dollars a week There are a few facts that I think we need to lay on the table first of all the proposed increase For the alderman from the civil service commission would take effect in 2007 In all likelihood all of the alderman that are in this room right now Probably won't be in office in 2007. So there's no guarantee that any of us are going to benefit from this pay increase As it was stated the aldermanic pay has been frozen since 2003 The proposed increase from the civil service commission would increase the aldermanic pay by one dollar and 35 cents a week in 2007 This is after four years of no pay increase and then in 2007 we'd get an extra one dollar and 35 cents per week And the last well one at second last point is that you have to remember that this year minimum wage was increased From 515 an hour to five dollars and 70 cents an hour The last fact is that the minimum wage that is paid to the alderman Is not the cause of the financial problems of the city Now I believe that right now I'm the only elder person who currently lives at home with my children and chooses the profession of a full-time mother If I choose to go back to the workforce in the private sector as I did for 16 years I could easily earn more than the highest paid city official I'm not making this motion to line my own pockets This motion is strictly to reflect the increase in the aldermanic pay So they are not earning less than minimum wage Therefore, I amend this document to make the annual salary for alderman in 2007 5,154 dollars a year instead of the 4,738 dollars And then in 2008 the pay would be 5,231 dollars, which would reflect the 5.1 increase Is there a second to that motion to amend? There's a second excuse me who's seconded it all one month now. Thank you Is there any discussion on just the amendment And the amendment being madame clerk, please the amendment is to Correct me if I'm wrong alderman sushi for 2007 the alderman salary would be 5,154 per year And in 2008 it would be 5,231 per year. Is that correct? Any discussion Okay, I had some light blinking on the previous motion Is there anybody that would like to talk on the amendment? Alderman Cigale you were next on the other motion. Do you want to talk on the amendment? Okay, alderman van der wheel you were next on the first motion. Do you want to talk on the amendment? Okay, alderman ratke do you want to talk on them then you're up alderman ratke Thank you your honor Attorney mcqueen If I heard all the reperson sushi correctly, this is directly to This if we amend this to five thousand one hundred fifty four dollars per year None of us sitting here right now is guaranteed. We're going to see any of that money, correct? So we thought we'll misinformation before your honor and Just to make the clarification is I heard you state when this first came to the council This would not take effect till after the 2007 election Which in essence means that not one of us sitting here is entitled to any of this money unless we are reelected That's right alderman ratke. There's a statute that says an alderman can't increase their their salaries While they're in office for their their term. That's why you see that the salary for 2006 is Set at the same salary it is for 2005 Thank you attorney mcqueen any more discussion on just the amendment We will call the roll on just the amendment Okay, um, let's see Meyer Montemayor Racky sagali Stefan Sushia hi van akron. Oh van der wheel Bauman Dberg eberg Serta Davis graph kittleson And mani Four eyes and 12 nose motion fills On the original motion is presented by the civil service commission Alderman sagali under discussion Thank you, mr. Mayor. I guess when it comes to increasing of balderman's salary. I didn't go into this With the thought of uh increased the salary on or how much we were being paid I went into this to help the people in my district in this community Um, the money it was nice to have and it's nice to have but to try to give us increases I I think we all knew what we were coming into when we took this job and we were we we were elected And I I will both know against anything that comes for raises for the alderman. Thank you Alderman van der wheel Thank you your honor Just explain myself a little bit my constituents have asked me to control salaries within the city So I voted against raises for salary salaried workers in the past including the mayor's salary, which was last year and uh Today I'll vote against the increase in the alderman's salary because in 2007 times will still be tight The first place we should be tightening our balances in the salaries of the department heads and the elected officials And nowhere does my vote imply that any of these people including the alderman in 2007 don't deserve a raise. Thank you Any further discussion All in the mire Thank you, mr. Mayor. Um, I do Um, agree with alderman shusha on her analysis on the pay for the alderman But I do believe that our city is in very very financial restraints right now And I think we should have a freeze on any kind of Wage increases for all people in all departments of the city And I wish I could support a raise, but at this point I can't Alderman susha second time Thank you, mr. Mayor Well for the record alderman do not have to be paid minimum wage. I just thought it would be equitable if alder people were paid minimum wage Um, but I I I do agree and I look forward to alder person's mire resolution freezing all wages I think that the alderman have set the example for years already of frozen wages It's just for all of you that are going to vote No to the dollar 35 increase per week for the alderman in 2007 I think you need to look real hard at the way you've been saying yes to the raises to the other people in the city It's one thing to stand up and say I won't give anyone else a pay increase or we have to do something But then you continue to vote to increase increase increase and I understand that some of the increases are in the In the municipal code that way But um as far as the extra dollar 35 cents a week that probably isn't going to do a whole lot Um, I mentioned 89 dollars a week is what alderman are currently being paid As far as the expenses associated with an alder person I would say 89 dollars Barely covers my expenses for the week So I'm not here to make money, but I'm not here to lose money I'll put my time in at a zero percent zero dollars per hour But I do expect the expenses to be covered So, um, I think the dollar 35 a week is rather insult things. So therefore I might as well vote no Alderman serda Thank you, honor Just to clarify as far as those older persons who do vote for pay increases for Other staff members. I think it's important that people keep in mind that we are not in full control of setting those wages We work with unions. We can't just come in and say freeze because we can push things into arbitration and lose full control Um, as far as my our own salaries, I think it's important to start with ourselves first I think it's more of an issue of principle at this time. How can we expect To give ourselves a pay increase when we're telling the citizens that we really need to be holding the line and as far as spending Thank you. Thank you Any further discussion or being on please call the roll and this would be just on the ordinance that was presented by the civil service commission Which if you vote for it, there's a raise if you vote no, there's none. Okay Please call the roll. Montemay or No Radke sagali Stefan no Susha no Van Akron no Vander wheel no Baumann no Dberg no Eberg no Serda no Davis no Graf no Kittleson no Manny Well, yes Okay And Meyer One aye 15 nos motion fails 17 third Attorney please just for clarification council You've defeated this ordinance Where that stands is currently there is no provision for any wages for alderman in 2006 2007 or 2008 If your intent is to keep it at 4668 There should be a document Coming in at the next meeting to do that if that's your intent otherwise You're not you're going to get zero And maybe that's what you want to do. I don't know We'll take your work for free. How's that? That it thank you attorney mclean 17 36 under matters laid over resolution number 199 0506 by alderman graff meyer and van akron authorizing the city to enter into a contract for obtaining medical stop-loss insurance Alderman graff Thank you your honor. I moved that the resolution be put upon its passage Motion to second under discussion There being none, please call the roll rat key sagali Stefan Susha Van Akron Vander wheel Baumann Dberg Eberg Serta Davis graph kittleson Manny Meyer And montemayor 16 eyes motion carries other matters authorized by law 1843 to be referred to board of parts and forestry commissioners 1844 Referred of public protection and safety 1845 referred to city plan commission 1846 a resolution by alderman mani authorized an enter into an agreement between the city of shabuigan and the village of kohler for the operation of a joint municipal court Alderman mani Thank you behalf of law and licensing I I believe we have to suspend the rules to the owner's nightclub. So I so moved to suspend the rules There's a motion to second to suspend the rules. We need a two-thirds vote You need this all those in favor state. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Ocean carries Please continue. Thank you So that we can move ahead in our relationship with kohler We need to pass the resolution This will put together a joint municipal court Pursue efficiency and save costs So certainly it is in the best interest of the city We need this done immediately so that the new relationship can be established as of january 1st 2006 I need a motion to put the resolution upon its path. So I so moved to put the resolution upon its path Motion in second Any discussion on 1846? They're being on please call the roll sagali stefan sushi Van Akron Vander wheel bowman D. Berg Serta Davis graph Kittleson Manny hi Meyer Montemay or and ratki 15 eyes one no motion carries 1847 and ordinance by alderman mani repealing and recreating division 3 of article 4 of chapter 2 of the municipal code So as to create and establish a joint municipal court for the city of shabuagan and the village of kohler Alderman mani Thank you, honor This is the companion legislation. I moved the ordinance Passage any suspension rules? I need suspension. Oh, we haven't suspended this yet. Yeah, it's moved to suspend the rules Motion to second to the span Thank you Any discussion Okay, those in favor state. Aye. Aye. Any oppose Suspension is allowed. Please proceed with the Companion legislation. So I so move its passage There's a motion to pass the ordinance under discussion They're being on please call the roll Stefan Susha Van Akron Vander wheel Thalman D. Berg E. Berg Serta Davis graph Kittleson Manny hi Meyer Montemay or Ratki and Sigali 15 eyes One no motion carries Other matters attorney McLean 1848 is communication from Michael Warner regarding his concerns with the level of conduct of an elected official of the city of Sheboygan Alderman mani Thank you, honor um relationship To this communication. I would move to file Second There's a motion in the second to file under discussion Please call the roll Let's see here Susha Hi Van Akron Vander wheel Thalman Hi D. Berg No E. Berg Hi Serta No Davis Hi Graph Hi Kittleson Hi Manny Hi Meyer Hi Montemay or Hi Ratki Hi Sigali No Stefan Hi 13 eyes Three noes Motion carries Please proceed city attorney 1849 is an ordinance relating to prohibited parking and time zones to add bus only parking Monday through Friday 6 a.m. To 6 30 p.m. To various locations That will be oh lies over 1850 is resolution authorizing retaining outside legal counsel to represent the city in the matter of bruce valand versus Nathan Wright at all and authorizing payment for said services and that will go to risk management Okay, there's uh alderman berg you asked for a couple of minutes, sir If you don't want to thank you Yeah, I just heard something on the tv last night and I thought This is the end of a year now next month. We start brand new year I thought maybe this would be a good new year's resolution for the city council and the mayor What we should do is rid ourselves of negative energy And replace it with positive ideas Because this will benefit the city of shabuigan. Thank you here here There's motion is there a second Thank you all those in favor state. I When you oppose we stand adjourned