 When's the last time you went to a throw track mean that baby was run super fast and efficient chances are it hasn't happened There's all this nonsense cutting throws to three and four throws and attempts. What the hell is that? We're gonna talk about how to run the shot putting discus in this video. Check it out and share it with everyone What's up guys, it's Eric Johnson from Airtay throws nation in today's video We are gonna talk about how do we improve running the shot putting discus at our duel meets try meets and Invitational's this is a video. I've wanted to put out for quite some time every year I go to high school meets and I even go to collegiate meets and I go to open meets and Oftentimes the the events are run poorly now. Why the motivation here now remember the thing that we do at Airtay throws nation We try to educate more coaches on how to understand the throw and how to train the throw to help more throwers to Help the sport we like to put out content like this to help guide people in the right direction Show videos of the elite throwers to bring more awareness to the sport And so this video goes right in line with what we're always trying to do We're trying to help improve the sport and one of the things that's driving me nuts as a former thrower and a current coach Is this move to four throws these meets and Invitational's where athletes are only getting four throws It penalizes your top athletes a lot of your athletes that are Developing don't learn how to compete in a prelims format style So I think it's a it's really short changing the sport and especially in dual meets and try meets I think you should go six throws across the board do your first three do the reorder for a final and teach those young Throwers how to get those valuable reps and compete in a final especially with our younger developing throwers cutting the throws To three which is cutting attempts in half or four is cutting Potentially much of the season you're cutting a third to 50% of the throwing reps. It's an absolute mistake now I understand the reason to go to four these events take forever So what I'm gonna do is I want to talk about that and in this video We're gonna talk about the most critical thing about running the shot put in the discus And that's time and we're gonna do look at some real simple numbers some of you may glaze over I'm gonna try to go through it fast put the numbers up on the screen so you can kind of follow along But hopefully I'm gonna make that make sense the next thing you do is the officiating crew You have the head official somebody marking somebody pulling the tape through and somebody retrieving the implement You have the athletes themselves who need to be smart understand how to move and keep the tempo of the competition moving And so the throwers manage themselves and the official manages the crew and the throwers and of course You have to be safe and we want to put it all together to run a faster more efficient me now Just recently here in Arizona. I was Arte throws nation and myself I was the kind of lead official and we ran the shot put in the discus. We had a 70 athlete Invitational so that was 70 boys throwing the discus 70 boys throwing the shot 70 girls throwing the discus 70 girls throwing the shot and what did we do so that's 280 total competitors? We have all of our you know attempts basically seven flights of three We did a prelims finals format so it was three attempts top nine go to finals So in total we had 948 throws or attempts this is important So when you just look at a minute you start looking at numbers in time is the most and critical thing So let me just recap again. So just so the numbers because the numbers start going fast I'm gonna go through how this all works out. So bear with me 280 competitors basically right 70 for the boys and girls shot put in discus So that's how you get that they all get three attempts And so when you look at that that's 840 total throws or attempts Then we take the top nine to finals. So that was 27 additional throws boys girls boys girls Right each event 108 additional throws 948 total attempts now if you just say that's one minute per attempt because it was there you walked in you measured it You did it all right? That's a relatively normal pace and then you include 10 minutes of warm-up in between so you have eight flights times four another 320 minutes you're talking 1268 minutes of Competition and warm-up time so we're gonna talk about how all that works So when you look at it all and you calculate one minute per throw and this is a big meat Most of your meats might have 48 or you know 50 throwers. This was a big invitational We ran it start to finish both flights done in four hours and 15 minutes now Look at the math when you go 12 out 12 1268 minutes that's taking our total attempts and warm-up time because eight flights ten hard minutes for Warm-up Officials need to set that watch and give ten hard minutes most athletes will be done within that time frame That's gonna be 80 minutes. So that's how we got to that 1268 minutes of time now. Here's the thing when you look at that and you divide that out So we have two events running at the same time. You're looking at basically 21 hours of throws right because if you say 1200 minutes warm-ups throws that Sands like wait a minute. Nobody's ever running 21 hours of throwing, but they're running at the same time So 10 hours how many big invitations if you've been to where they start at 9 o'clock and they finish at 7 o'clock at night Lots of them now your 40 person your 36 athlete your 48 athlete competitions It's not uncommon for those things to run Anywhere from four and a half to six hours long do the math one minute per throw So this is why I'm doing this video and this is why the first thing is time like I said I'm gonna talk about the officials all the things you need to do to run the event so much faster So that we can get six throws. This is about the fight for six throws. We want six throws back We need meet directors and officials to understand that it's not the length of time It's how efficiently it's being run and I can't tell you how many meets I've been to where unfortunately it is run Terribly terribly there are some people who are good in tension They know the sport and they just run it slowly they run it very Subpar then there's people who do run it well and then very few people are running it great And that's what everybody should be doing and it's super easy to accomplish So what we're gonna do is we're gonna talk now that I've gotten all these numbers, right? I'm blowing your head up with numbers, but let's just talk about it when we save 10 seconds Basically in a flight you're saving five minutes of time now That's may not sound like a lot But again when we look at those total number of attempts and we're talking seven flights on Prelims right so that's seven times four. That's 28 flights you're running and you save five minutes per flight So 28 times five is a hundred and forty minutes just by saving five minutes. That's saving ten seconds every Round right so instead of taking a minute you take 50 seconds now when you take up all those prelims You've saved a hundred and forty minutes, so a hundred and forty minutes is roughly Two hours and twenty minutes of time saved that is huge just by saving ten seconds So now let's get into it when you understand the critical nature of time Ten seconds adds up to two and a half hours two hours and twenty minutes so that means 20 seconds of time adds up to four hours and 40 minutes saved right now Conversely run it ten minutes slower now you're losing two hours You're adding two hours and this is what happens all the time and then I get it meet directors say well What happens and the guy who's running it doesn't want to take the responsibility that he ran it like crap or she ran it Like crap and they say well, you know There was you look at the numbers and it takes a minute and you know, we're just taking one minute, but there's 900 throwers, you know, it's 900 attempts and they have ten minutes of warm-up and there's another you know, three three You know four hours of warm-up time, you know, and they do all this kind of stuff and it's like Okay, that's not the answer They ran it like trash and I'm sorry to put people under bus because there's a lot of good people out there that are Trying to volunteer and help their time, but they just don't get how it needs to work and this is how it's gonna work So let's do just a quick review The official is going to of course gather everybody in For a flight check-in. So check in call the names way faster Number two explain the rules and explain never turn your back to the ring step three Make sure as the official you explain how the athletes will be coming in and out of the circle during the competition as the event is Being measured step four make sure that the guys measuring the thing are moving Multiple times during my time. I had to tell the guys step up the tempo time is critical and the last note Which is the most important is a short meeting with the officiating crew prior to to explain all these things one When you measure market and to explain to them safety when the discus is coming at you Where to step don't freak out and run to the direction that the the implement is going to go But most importantly explaining to them. Hey, we want to have a good time How many of you guys want to be here an extra two hours or four hours tonight? Nobody's gonna raise their hand. So how do we do that? You explain real quick the numbers that we've explained in this video Hey, the bottom line is is you're gonna be saving every ten seconds with this amount of throwers Just always take your total number of minutes one minute times the total number of throws and then multiply it point Point one six seven that's your ten second figure You can pull out the calculator on your phone and you can explain to these guys This is how you're going to save time. So if you're ten minutes slower We're gonna be here two extra hours if you're ten minutes faster We're gonna save two extra hours two and a half hours and we're gonna get out of here sooner That's gonna make a huge difference. So make sure that they're all clear coach them through that Make sure athletes are being safe and make sure you're running the event smoothly That's gonna be the key thing for the official now goes without saying that you explain the rules Enter from any point of the circle exit under control from the back half of the ring Make sure the implement has landed before you exit the circle step on the ring at any point on top of the circle It's a no mark and then always give the athlete the option if you just threw 150 feet and your second throw is a hundred feet and you know it's 50 feet shorter You can opt to step on and foul the throw. So that will also speed things up. So at any rate That's one of your that's your recap for the official. So let's continue to look at ways We're gonna save time and better run the event All right, so let's get to the meat meat and potatoes because that needed to be clear That was a hard five seven minutes or whatever, but this is the problem It isn't there is a true time factor time Management is the name of the game for running the shot put in the discus It's it's an obvious in by the way You measure the tape right from inside the circle the disc, you know the shot put tow board You do not measure from the outside you measure from the inside These are all these basic things that I've seen that screwed up far too many times And if you're watching this and you're a coach or a thrower You've probably seen that mistake happen to and then they're adding two or three inches to every mark because they screwed it up You pull the tape through the center We're gonna talk about all that and you measure from the inside of the ring because if you step on the outside of the ring It's a foul. Okay, so let's talk about that warm up time. Super simple ten hard minutes sets your your Apple watch your old-school watch your phone put the timer on it ten minutes hard minutes Call it out as your throwers are going in Make sure the athlete stands safely away from the net But when that athlete that goes into the ring should go in with two discs or two or or their shot Once that implement is out of their hands and they have no more implements left that next thrower should be already Heading in not waiting around BS and in talking. They need to keep the temple up They need to understand they have ten minutes and nine out of ten times The athletes are ready before the ten minutes is up, but by setting that time you set the tempo It's super critical now. The key thing is the officiating crew. What do you need? You need a head official you need somebody to mark you need somebody to pull the tape through and you need somebody to retrieve Those are generally falling into the rules and so the guy retrieving runs the discus over to the side now First thing that I make sure that's done. That's a pet peeve. I see this all the time It's drives me insane our dumbasses Turning their back to the ring and walking out and the official never saying anything So of course, what did we do at our? Invitational every time we announce and we pull the warm-up together when their flight goes together We told everybody never turn your backs to the discus ring You walk with your eyes on the circle and whoever's throwing should always pay attention yell heads up But the individual getting their diss so I said that repeatedly there was multiple times where I said don't turn your back Don't turn your back don't turn your back and there everybody falls in line I see that all the time and so many close calls constantly and Sadly all around the country somebody's getting hit because it's pure stupidity. Don't turn your back to the ring So the safety crew is the safety part is in Important now remember the officials job is when you call everybody the check-in process How do you make that faster you warm up for the flight? Don't have everybody tell you your name and check it off call the athlete's name out announce flight one Europe check in come over Johnson Smith Jones Alexander you lay out the name here here here you check everybody in then the two kids or three kids that aren't showed up They'll show up and check in you get the warm-up going do not wait Do not slow it down by having everybody this is how you make the warm-up time you get them checked in They start warming up because the countdown timer is going while you're checking in So that's another way to keep that warm-up time between flights I've been to meets over the years and they do a trash. They don't set a timer They'll sometimes have 15 minutes 12 minutes 20 crazy times that are just killing and running the event behind schedule Okay, so the officials job is to get everybody checked in explain the rules explain safety and this is most important Explain to your crew how to run it number one markers We were just recently at a meet and the marker one of my athletes got his throw miss marked Because it was well beyond his head He's standing outside of the sector by 10 feet and it went 40 feet past him And so this is like a 200 foot plus throw and the guy walks to the mark He missed the mark because he wasn't in the right area So rule number one you tell the marker you run to the mark period You do not lolly gag. You do not you hustle your ass to the mark. That's how it works So the marker hustles to the mark the retriever hustles to get the disc runs it over And then when the marker is running to it the tape measure the guy who's pulling it through Pulls the tape and pulls it through the center of the circle. The official can walk in get the mark Now here's the most important thing for the official You have to tell the the athletes that are standing waiting You when I say jones is up smith's on deck johnson on hold Then when jones throws or smith threw and jones is up next jones has to walk in with the official And the person measuring and wait So when they walk and they walk out of the cage area the next thrower is walking into the ring So everybody's moving and that keeps the tempo up We just talked in the beginning about how critical it is to save time 10 seconds is going to save two hours 20 seconds is going to save four hours on a huge Invitational like this that adds up. This keeps the rhythm up. How is that explained to the athlete? Listen up guys. This is how you do it. You tell them That's what you expect when we are measuring the next thrower up you walk up That's why it's so important for the official to make sure that you're announcing the names throughout the competition Like I said smith, you're up jones on deck johnson on hold you have that so the athletes know their order They can get in they move in you measure you move out We will also have poor Officiating where you see how slow they are they walk to the mark. They don't hustle to the mark They don't pull the tape through it's much slower. It's taking much longer than what we were showing guys We're running in running out and we were keeping everything moving really quick So again simple thing for the measuring guy hustles to the mark the guy pulling the tape The person the individual pulling the tape is going to pull it through the center of the circle So from the mark through the center point of the circle to get a clean accurate mark on the front of the ring The official writes down the mark calls it out and then calls the next thrower up Who should already be in the ring ready to go and you repeat this cycle? And this is how you start saving 10 15 up to 20 seconds Especially when there is a no mark, which is going to speed up the competition Now the key thing is managing those throwers like I said telling them how to come in which I've repeated multiple times But throwers you need to be paying attention and making sure that you know you're up and you go in and that's how things keep moving Now one of the key things how did we how were we able to Finish a competition that was start to finish. We started at 8 45 a.m. By 1 p.m We had completed all of our time that that 948 attempts done with 80 minutes, you know eight 10 minute segments 80 minutes of warm-up all complete our numbers came out to 255 total minutes We had 80 minutes of warm-up time and that left us with 175 minutes to basically complete 948 throws we were on a super hustle schedule. We kept moving it nice and straight We explained to our Officiating crew the people measuring retrieving and pulling the tape through if you need a bathroom break You do it during the 10 minutes of warm-up time you hustle over afterwards You need to get a drink of water you do all that you do that during the warm-up time You keep the comp moving. I can't stress to you enough. This is a numbers game It is as simple as that it is management if you are not quick and you would not keep these details together It's very easy to add time the same day we completed our invitational in four hours and 15 minutes We heard that across town. I checked on one of my athletes competing across town at a different meet And they were three hours behind on the throws For this very reason they don't time the warm-ups that the the the officiating crew doesn't understand They lumber over to the thing they walk slow. They pull the tape slow tick tick tick tick You just add time to the event I was in an event with two flights of like 13 throwers and it took over two hours Absolutely ridiculous. It should not take that long. We were averaging just under 20 minutes per throwers So 30 throws under 20 minutes each time so even with our warm-up I think with warm-up we were at about 20 something minutes per Flight we ran through it really efficient. This is really great for the athletes the athletes, right? This is all about the athlete a good experience This is how we had athletes who had warmed up and did their finals So if both events warm up Finals competition six throws and they did both events basically within a two Hour time frame because right the later seated flights They went and then they went to the final and that's how we did it now Here's the true secret on one of the things that helped us So not only were we super efficient and had everybody running But we ran two rings and of the discus and two rings of the shot now before you say well We don't have that neither did we we used to have that but we set up Two shot put sectors because we had a secondary ring and these can be made cheaply You can make these you can do kind of the indoor plywood format So where you can do four sheets of plywood and put a ring on the ply and a tow board So you can make a ring put it somewhere in the field and mark a sector Trust me you put your lower seated throwers on that flight You you can put some simple stuff and we can do another video about how to make a ring But you can do the same thing with the discus and the shot And then you can set up those secondary rings in our case We had a section that's a training area where there was a 15 foot pad And we were able to utilize An unused area of concrete hang nets and put in a nice competition circle So we were able to set up that second discus ring and this was paramount to keeping that event going now when we finished with both And we had our 948 total throws go through the ring The javelin of course wasn't even done with their first event They were running closer to this kind of average of one minute But if you run it 50 seconds or 45 seconds because of the hustle because the markers move the officials teaching The the crew how to pull through the tape how to mark properly and how to have the athlete on deck These longer throws like the javelin and the discus are going to run exponentially faster So that is the breakdown a long video But this is something that we want you to share with everyone get it out there. There are Really great people who are looking to volunteer, but this is a simple math game if you've got You know we'll see every year There's a meet coming up and i'm always the guy complaining because they're screwing two kids out of the final They're gonna take some dumb number like six kids to the final when they're taking eight sprinters To every event or nine because there's nine lanes on the straightaway for the sprints They're supposed to be matching that for the throws, but they argue they can't add three more throws You know, so you're you're you're shafting kids who are trying to get to qualifying marks It's not about cutting the number of attempts. It's about managing the throws That's it manage the time and we will get back to a much better run More efficient meet and we can get more opportunities for throwers to get six throws So remember we want to fight for six Thank you guys for watching this. We want to get out there run great events. Good luck to you We want to see more six throw competitions Which i already said and remember be sure if you're looking for coaching information On how to better structure practice how to learn the throw and how to better train check out the throwing chain reaction system in the link below And share share share and share this video with coaches athletes meet directors everybody Because running the events is the key to having the throws be more successful. All right guys Thanks so much for watching and we'll see you in the next video