 And thanks for staying with us this morning on the breakfast. It's time for us to go through the pages of the National Dailies. We call it Off the Press. Ziko and Yai took joins us this morning. Thank you so much, Ziko, for being part of the show. Thanks for having me. It's always a pleasure. All right then. We take a look at the nation newspaper and let's find out what's making the rounds on the nation. Tunable, I am not seeking office on religious grounds. That's the first or bold story you find here. APC presidential candidate Mitz Kahn. Christian buddy presents Chata of Demands. These are the riders. Drunk soldier kills general in Lagos. United Kingdom urged to intervene in Kahnu's trial. World Bank okays $13.5 million financing plan for Nigeria. Bohari approves $134.7 billion for military veterans. And just before we move away from the nation, tribunal compels INEC to release a delicacy certificate. United Kingdom government launches $100 million scheme to lift women. Quite interesting. River's won't vote for president along party line says, we K, and I'm asking, should we K be, you know, should he decide what individuals, I mean, they have a right to vote whoever they want to vote. They have a right to belong to any political party. And so what exactly does this mean? Federal government insists on no work, no pay for ASU members. Security apparatus takes over AKT assembly and court rejects Minas bill application. That's it. You have been at the paper this morning. Well, let's move away from the nation and quickly look at the punch newspaper. The punch says, Muslim, Muslim ticket, fans criticizing me lobbied for vice president slot. That's what two new schools dare to say. Wow, interesting. And who could this be? Tunibu Mids Khan says he did not Islamize his family and cannot do such to Nigeria. But if that's the case, one would expect that it should be a balance in the ticket. And so if you're Muslim, then you expect, it's just a moral question. Nigerian needs religious or Nigerian needs religiously neutral states, not religious states. Association advices the federal government. Next president must ensure good balance between Muslim and Christians. That's what the association is saying. Away from the bold headline this morning. Federal government asks to begin fresh showdown. Minister tackles lecturers. Naira redesigned tag as looted funds. EFC chairs saying government's planning bank guarantees for Nigeria and Ethiopian deal. How delays costly court process for straight families access to disease savings. And Naira says, surrender mandates if APC loses party tells Buhari. I take that again. Surrender mandates if APC loses party tells Buhari. 11 quarters nabbed for terrorizing Lagos neighborhood. And APC, are you disagree over B to win Lagos? And I said this morning on the punch, we could move away from the punch now. And let's take a quick look at the leadership newspaper. The leadership says, Muslim-Muslim ticket can soften stands, present demands to Tunibu. Once equal rights for all religion, self-actualization for all ethnic groups says no to open grazing. I will form government of national unity. Artiku is also saying, probably might just be dominating all of the papers this morning. Muslim-Muslim ticket. Are you both PDP will win Lagos 24 other states? Naira redesigned my crash dollar to 200 Naira. That's what the EFC chairman is saying. I mean, this is really a statement of fact. I mean, how can these things be? Because we understand the demand for the dollar, the reason why you have the dollar being on the high, and while the Naira seem to be depreciating. Just away from that, East West Road Communities command and DDC. Wike to Shimole, I'm sorry for supporting Obaseki's re-election. No work, no pay policy has come to stay. Federal government tells ASU. But what happens to what the federal government had said prior to now, to ASU saying, hey, it's fine. We're going to get to all of that agreement. If there's an actual agreement, why did the federal government compromise that stand and decided to get into another agreement saying, hey, you need to call of the strike. And now, we will pay you X, Y, Z. But that's not the case. The Guardian newspaper says CSO6 sanctions against underage voting, duplication, and INEC register. And that's also another issue that's stopping the charts of recent, we've seen several display of children pictures from voter registration. But I think it's something that all hands should be on deck. Development not surprising, airing staff will be sanctioned. That's what INEC is saying. Don't make Nigeria a problem for West Africa. Electoral reform chair wants politicians. 2023 poor tests of Nigerian's democratic threat. Let's see how all of that pans out underneath the board caption. Article 4's APC's lopsided appointment and says, PDP will form the government of national unity. And these and these ongoing. Well, government slay nine family members in Klaatu and two Nigerian athletes, phase 10 year jail term in the United States for wire and mail fraud. What we call wire wire in the local pannons. That's Yahoo Yahoo. And gunmen slay nine families, I think we took that already. Declining sperm count increases human extension concern. That's a health conversation. Federal government asks you face off, government won't pay for services not rendered. Minister insists. Finally, Chinabu Mitz Khan. Ladies, same fit ticket fears. And you have crisis loom in a kitty house of assembly 24 hours after election of new speaker. Well, that's the much we can take this morning. On the garden newspaper, we quickly turn our attention now to our guests, Zika and Yaetup. Thank you for joining us this morning. What's going on? You're having me. All right, let's start off with the nation. The nation newspaper talks about Chinabu and he says he's not seeking office on religious grounds, but how does that make sense, especially when he's running on a Muslim, Muslim ticket? You know, I can say this authoritatively because I'm in a quibum and in a quibum, the politics runs largely around the churches and religion. And there's been a lot of discussions and a lot of things that are not being said. And if these things be true, then I think that Chinabu has a lot of work to do to be able to get the real Christian vote. For instance, there is a very serious loud rumor or speculation that to be a member of IOC, the International Islamic, IOC, IOC, International, no, no, not IOC. How do I get this mixed up? Now, I'm being a member of that Islamic body that you need to contribute constantly for a period of 10 years. Once you do that, you automatically become a full member of that body, and that under President Buhari, they've done eight years that any Muslim that comes in and does that for another two years, then Nigeria will become a full member. I do not know how this is true or false, but it is resonating with the people like wildfire. So, and as a result, the Christians within the southern block or the southeast just don't want to hear that. That's why they wanted a Christian to break that remaining two years so as to make it 10 years. Now, this could be rumor, this could be fact. Somebody needs to come out and address that issue and that person should be tenable. If it's a lie, let him come out and say, one, it is true, but I give this undertaking that Nigeria will not contribute to it so that the two years will not make it the 10, which is mandatory. If he can do that openly, if it's a fact, or he comes out and says it's a lie, don't let anybody lie to you, deceive you. It is not true so that you don't have this anti-Muslim sentiment because no Christian, none, wants to be in Nigeria that has become an Islamic state. Okay? So that is one of the real raging issues on that carpet in a place like Akwaibom state and that issue should be addressed fundamentally or frontally. It either is a fact and then give us your undertaking openly that you will not do that. Or it is a lie and come out and dispel the rumor so that we can now look at you from a completely different perspective. Religion is a very important thing. In fact, it's the most important thing to everybody. Faith, for me, is the most important thing. And while you are allowed to practice your faith, which I subscribe to, 100%, I don't want a situation where, for any reason whatsoever, we come across a state policy that makes it difficult for me to practice my faith. I think that a large Itinubu should look at that point I've just raised and address it frontally. If it is a lie, come out and tell Nigerians that that rumor is unfounded. It is not true. Bring out facts and data and details and then dispel the rumor. It will make his work easier. But if that rumor gets spread faster, trust me, even the Southwest, it will have problems. But South-South, Southeast definitely will have problems because no Christian wants to be subjected to a Muslim state in this country. But I mean, the issue is very controversial and it's also dicey as well. If you look at it, if we say that that's really not the case of if you have the APC arguing that that's not the case because we're at a time where we can ignore the fact that religions seem to play a major role. A ethnic city or tribe, however you want to put it, seem to play a major role in our elections and we haven't been more divided than any other time or more religious conscious than any other time than now. And so wouldn't it have been possible for the APC to understand the times that Nigerians are in and then to decide to have a Muslim Christian ticket? You know, to these people, I've been in politics for a long time but I operate as a professional. That's why I've never ascended any appointment in my life. But I can't afford the luxury of staying out of politics because I know how important politics is. You see, the mindset of a politician, the way he's wired, first, you know, that's why I really love the current electoral act. I love it. But before now, our electoral system has been such that, you know, you can get away with a lot of things, a whole lot of things. Well, I think that that was the mindset of Mr. Tinobu because I mean, he could easily have met Shetima and maybe the DG of his campaign where he would bring the weight of his capacity to bear in the North to get the vote while getting a Southern or a Christian vice president. He could have done that. That arrogance in my opinion of dismissing Christians with the wave of the hand, it still hurts me till today. I'm not a member of the APC. But I just think that Nigerians should learn to have some level of sensitivity to the other faith. They are saying things you will do as a Christian and I will say, it's not right. You can do that because that guy is a Muslim. No, you can't do that to him. You must bring about fairness more, bring about justice more, bring about equity. You must acknowledge the right of the other person to be here. And in Nigeria, for instance, it's like a 50-50 stuff. So he can't just dismiss a 50% population with a wave of that. That's arrogance for me. I think that's extremely insensitive. Now, he's got to work on the double to tell us that he had a better excuse. You can't tell me the role of federal Nigeria. You don't have, it's either you want to win election or you want to run an effective administration. If your primary aim is to win election, somebody says, oh, if you don't win the election, how can you run an effective administration? That is one mistake that people make. What makes you think that you cannot win an election? Now, why must Shetima be my deputy? It's because he has electoral value in the north. Okay, can't I play on that? Can everybody, are you telling me that he's the only exclusive nothinger that has that capacity? You can discuss with him. He can share with him. He can negotiate with him and put him on that pedestal where he's able to use his words. Yes, he does have reasonable influence because when you look at the politics of the north, the politics of the north is not as straightforward as some of these people think because take it or leave it. You have major principalities in the north. Take it or leave it. You have Alaji Kwan-Kwaso in the north. You can't dismiss that guy with the wave of the hand. You can't. You have Atyku Abubaka. He's from the north as well. Okay, and you have young people in the north in the current dispensation. You have young people and these young people are the message of Mr. Peter is resonating with them for you to dismiss the enlightening young people and think that, oh, they don't amount to anything. It's for you to, I don't even know the word to use. And these young people, I have a lot of them. I was given an award by the youth of the 19, northern state and that shows the extent to which I need to work with them. Having been the Pahunia National Chamber of Young Democratic Party, I had a spread across the north. I still have them as my friends. Yerima Shetima, Yerima Shetima. No, no, Yerima Shetima is the vice president. Yerima was in Sodomnam. He was my deputy, my national chairman. And we've worked together. There's a whole lot of not only youth who before now were not interested, but now the enlightened ones are interested. So they are a block that Peter O'Vee has moved into. As a result, you can say that unless you have one man, you cannot go far. Ezekiah, let's quickly look at the nation newspaper again before we move away and look at the other hand. Yerima Shetima, Yerima. Yes. All right. So on the nation newspaper, quickly, Reavers won't vote for president along party line says, we can, that's on the one hand. I mean, should this not be the decision of those who are from Reaver State? Should the governor be deciding this? Does he have a monopoly of choice in terms of who the people would vote for? Another is that he also, I mean, he stated that party affiliation, ethnic party or whatever in religion will not determine the elections. I mean, how true is that? Because we're also talking about the issue of religion and the fact that some people are not very pleased with how things actually has panned out, especially with the ruling party having the Muslim-Muslim tickets. So I'd like you to answer this, you know, between one question. Yeah. The very first thing is that, look, when my governor, Mr. Udo Bimanual, picked what they call the preferred successor and people were splitting their hairs. I said, why would you do that? The man has his fundamental right to his decision. You also have your fundamental right to vote. On that day, the governor is not gonna hold your term and tell you where to put, no, he's not gonna do that. But he has a right to say, I prefer this person. Now, we care has a right to make any statement he wants to make. We're not gonna vote along party lines, we're not gonna do this, we're going to do this. It is left to his people to what extent he's been able to cut their confidence so that if he says, go left, they go. If he says, go right, they go. You can't blame him if he has come to a point of being able to cut the people to the end that they are able to go to whichever direction that he pleases. Now, my governor chose a preferred candidate. How well he's doing, the jury's out there. So you are liberty to make any statement as a leader. But be careful to ensure that whatever that you say, you have laid the foundation for your people to come along. And the time is no longer when you can take the people for granted and just think, go here, they know, no, no, no, no. People have learned to say, person not party. So they look at you. I think that this man is being very smart. I've taken time to study Mr. Wike very well. And he's not just talking. He tries to match his words with some level of action. Political, I would not like to use the word sagacity because some things are like the evil genius. You could be genius, but the question is in which direction? But one thing is definite. Wike has been able to have a certain level of control over his people, partially on account of how well he's performed. I'll give him, you know. But Barizika, let's take this a bit for that. Don't you think that that contradicts the fundamental human rights of the people of real estate? No, it doesn't. I mean, the statement, because she said the people would not vote, you know, towards party lines. Whatever one has a right to association. And so that is his statement. Look, I can sit down here and say, look, I am going to get a minimum of 80%, 70%, 60% of the votes of a quiet bomb state. That's my statement of intention, okay? When the result is announced, you will now know whether I was talking it out of malaria dream or I had laid a foundation. One thing I don't want him to do is to back the people or to make life miserable for the others. No, but if he can persuade his people, which is what politics is all about, politics is supposed to be persuasion. Like what I'm doing, why would I have the boldness, the audacity, the mendacity to take on APC and PDP in a quiet bomb state? It's because I believe I've come with a superior, you know, persuasion for the people to listen. And please ask the people at quiet bomb state what is going on down here. What I'm trying to say is bring on your persuasion to the people, bring on your A game to the people and let them decide, but you must allow the people the latitude to decide. That is what I will not accept anybody compromising for any reason in the world. But you are at liberty to make your statement and then, and part of that is political intimidation, which there's nothing wrong with it. Say, look, I'm gonna beat your hands down, don't bother about this side. You can say anything, it could be grandstanding. A lot of times you can even drive fear into the people, but you've done nothing wrong. You've bent the law, but you've not broken it. So I don't think there's anything wrong in what he said. It will be wrong the day he stops people from exercising their franchise, you know, freely and willingly. Well, let's see the punch knees before this morning. Abdul Rashid Bauer is speaking, he's saying that the redesign of the Nara is meant for those who looted. I mean, should he not be in prison? You know. Oh, is he called? Yeah, can you hear me? Yes. Can you say this, yes, I've said this on this program before and it is not rocket science. If you have dollar, be careful. In January, it's going to crash and crash and crash. I don't need, this is not rocket science. It's simple. People who had money that they had stored away are rushing to buy dollars because taking those monies to the bank is a problem. So these people are going to have dollars. A dollar, as I said now, is about 80 Naira, okay? Am I right? A dollar, about 80 Naira, yes. Now, a $100 bill is about 80,000 Naira. A $100 bill is about 80,000 Naira. No politician will give a voter a $100 bill, none, none, in vote-buying or anything and they need Naira. So when they bring their dollars out and Central Bank has control over the Naira and they are bringing it out, they are going to find somebody rather than me give one person, you know, 80,000 Naira. I would rather pay 80,000 Naira. And how do I get the Naira? I'm going to get my dollar at whatever price. And like EFCC man said, it could drop as low as 200 Naira in January. That is a fact. But I don't know if we should further talk about the facts. If you look at the reason why we have the dollar in demand against the Naira even when the official exchange rate is the Naira, it's because of the fact that production, we seem to be importing more. There's less of value that's added. And secondly, for this period, it's a completely different game that is online. So how sustainable would this be? So how long can we sustain that before there's the demand? It's not about being sustainable. Just get the mindset. Naira is going to be moved from circulation, completely moved and controlled by central bank, completely moved. People have stored up billions of Naira in their houses. They want, they don't want to lose out. So they want to get on the fastest way. And you know, look, this is a little more complicated. People need to understand what is going on. When you take a certain amount of money to the bank, depending on how your account has been, which is why I warn some of my friends, don't collect this money and go to the bank. EFCC is going to invite you because after a certain amount of money, EFCC will call you to account for this money. So these people cannot afford the luxury of taking this money to the banks. They are starting to use the money to buy dollar. That is why if you look at in the past, it was just moving from maybe 500 to 650 to 550, you know? But in recent times, it moved like boom, boom, boom, boom, you know, like 290 friends in a short time. That is not production, whatever. No, it is the policy now. So it's going to get worse because when the new notes actually start to come out, people are not going to be in a hurry to collect the old notes. So all these old notes that you've had, you are going to use it to buy dollars. So during this period, dollar could actually hit a thousand and more as soon as the new notes come out. But when you reach halfway after December, people are not going to collect your old notes again. And you're going to have a problem. You have dollars. Well, is it going to happen? No, let me just end on this. Now you're entering election period where you're going to spend the dollars. Remember where the problem started, primaries. Now the second problem is election. So these were going to need Naira like no man's business. As a result, they will give away their dollars for anything. And once the election is over and that Naira has come down, we're going to have a relative, you know, balancing of that Naira. You come down to last, no, as 300, I don't know 200. But it could go up again and then maybe stabilize at that between 400 and 500. That's what I know the Naira is going to be. So anybody who is holding dollars now is going to get really hurt. You buy it at 800. You go and sell it at 400. That's bad market. You've lost half your money. Ezekal, so all of this dynamics might be understood because of, you know, the principle of demand and supply. But it also does not change the fact that this is artificial. And the question is how long will that be before we get back, you know? Because it's about value. What exactly, what value are we adding? We're a very dependent economy. We import almost everything we consume, almost everything. And so the demand for the dollar would continue to increase until we fix the economy. It's just simple, you know, economics and mathematics. So this might suffice for a while. But how about also, if you also look at it, there's also the fever of jackback. And that's also on the high. There's need for dollars as well. So for how long will we say that we can sustain or you have the dollar, the denier appreciating over the dollar? It won't be for long. Yes, two things. Number one is that PPP was in power for 16 years. We had the same problem. Why did the dollar exchange for about less than 200 naira? 16 years. Now we move from less than 200 naira to 800 naira in eight years. What has changed? When you study what has changed, it means that it can come back to its real value, what has been, and then whoever comes in can inspire confidence in people to be able to have a stabilized economy. For instance, if Peter becomes in and he brings the rhetorics, let me use that word, you know, in a very enlightened sense of moving from a consumption economy to a production economy. There's something that, well, time will not permit, but it is doable. That is why something I came up in a quibum said, which is social governance ideology. It brings people down where we abolish PAs and political PAs and Aces and everything and rather have what we call CEOs. Instead of bringing a guy, you're paying him 200,000 every month for doing nothing. You bring them and train them and give them vocational skills and if possible guarantee them, you know, 2 million, you know, and let them start, not MSMEs, they will start to do little productions, move concentration from political, you know, PAs and Aces and everything to people becoming CEOs. It's a little thing, mindset difference. A man that you guarantee 2 million at the beginning to do business in four years has become a big man. A man that you pay 250,000 Naira every month for doing nothing in four years, you have paid up to 12 million doing nothing, whereas you could guarantee 2 million and bring a productive sector. It's just about the new set of people coming into the realm of governance, how they think. If you have a man that thinks in terms of MSMEs and really sitting on them, we can become a production economy in little or no time. So it's not just rhetoric, it's something that can be done. It is what I intend to do in Aqaibom state and it is what is giving me, you know, the age I'm having now because there's a deafening plan of action on what to do. And the youth are starting to see that, wow, this makes sense. Well, so just on the other side of the question that I asked, which you didn't answer, and I'm going to bring it back to you. Abdul Rashid Bauer is speaking and we know that he should be in prison following, you know, disobedience of court order, even though that hasn't really sat well with a lot of persons saying there might be double standard. But really, is he speaking from prison or where exactly is he speaking from? Well, I didn't see, number one, immediately that was said, we were supposed to be said to prison. He said that the two things that accused him of, he had done it. Number one, he had returned the vehicle to the owner and number two, the money was being processed to pay back. So I think they went back to court and that sentence was nullified. So if that be the truth, if that be the truth, then I think that it's been overtaken by events in the sense that if you accuse me or you send me to prison for owing a particular person, and you discover that I paid back the person, then it doesn't really hold again. I'm not being punished for what I've already been exonerated from. So I really don't know what, I don't want to speculate, I don't know what the fact is, I just know that they say that the car had been returned and that the money was being processed to be paid back to the person. So the basis on which he was being committed to prison was no longer tenable. Maybe it's true, maybe it's not. At what point, now? At what point did that happen? Because it's outright caught disobedience. Well, let's move away from that so we don't spend so much time quickly on the Guardian newspaper. Zikanya, I know how you have been very positive about the electoral act. You have been one person that has been excited about it and you hope that it would make a difference for the 2023 elections. But on the Guardian newspaper, people see as all seeking sanction against underage voting and duplication in INAC register. I mean, really, what are we still talking about this? We have seen, I don't know how true that is, but of course, investigation is still going on. We have seen registered underage voters appearing on different platforms and that's quite worrisome. So could we not have the electoral acts address all of these issues? Is it go? Oh, well, I'm fortunate. I'm hoping that we can establish contact quickly before we call it a wrap this morning. I've been told that Zikanya, I took, has been disconnect and that's on the network, apologists right there. But a major concern for us is about our elections and the fact that yes, we know that we're a nascent democracy, but gradually we're hoping that we get there. We get to that point where we see we probably have arrived. I really don't know if there's anything like that. I think it exists in any country in terms of democracy. But there's several issues that have truncated the democratic process. On the Ridge, you know, register and voting is also another issue. Zikanya, can you hear me, please? Well, we don't have him. Zikanya, if you can hear me, please unmute your device. Yes, I can hear you now, I can hear you now. Good. Can you hear me? Yes, please. So, the issue of underage voting, our electoral act and our democracy. What's the feature for us? Yeah, the preponderance of this is in the North. And there are certain practices in the North that we need to be able to reconcile. For instance, very early marriage. So that a person that is like 12 years is a wife and probably a mother. Our law says he must be up to 18. But when you have a mother at the age of 15 or 16, do you really call a mother a minor? It's a major problem that we have. And to that extent, you could see somebody that looks young, but that person is just a mother, a wife and a mother. On the other hand, you cannot take it away that a lot of the children that you see there, I mean our children, I mean, you could talk for the women, but how do you talk for the boys that you've seen there and they are really young? And I think there's been a good abuse of that process. I think that before INEC published it, they should have taken a good look at setting facial recognitions. Another thing I have called somebody, I've thought somebody to be a young person only to discover that he was actually about 19 years, but he looked very young. So these things, when you see a picture, don't be in a hurry to cast as passions yet, but I still think that there's a lot of underage registration which would need to voting as well. And on that day, on the line, I don't know how you're going to be able to tell this person, no, no, no, you can't vote. If you try that, your life might be at risk. So I think it's a problem that INEC has to sort out institutionally by getting those people off the register. But if you're expecting that the election officer, like the youth copper, is going to stop such people in the North, I think that you're going to risk the life of such a copper, and I wouldn't want to be a party to it. So let us use every available policy to do administrative sanitization. You said something about it's very common or prevalent in the Northern part of the country. And so it's not part of Nigeria. And do we have different laws governing our country? It's the constitution. What the constitution talks about an underage, a child is a child, up until they become 18. And so are we practicing different laws? Do we have different constitution for the East, for the South, Southwest, and then we have different for the North and the North East, and what have you? It calls for a little consent. So as you can, when you see a child, you will know that that's a child. So it's not possible that you would see a child and then you're in question whether or not that's not a child. Yes, we understand that they are issue of where you have dwarfism, that's also another case, but you can actually, you could tell. It's a different situation. When you see a child, you will recognize that that's a child, by all means, physical feature among others. I agree with you completely. I completely agree with you. I think that's one of the reasons we need to really look at the restructuring and look at our lawmaking processes because some of the practices in the North are so peculiar to them and different from the South. How do we sit down and look at the sensitivities even of the religions? We really need to look at this issue of restructuring from a completely different paradigm. For me, it's not so much of let's have our own thing and do our own thing, not so much so, but how do we ensure fairness, equity, based on the ethics that we all live by? A typical Northern family is not exactly the same as a typical Southern family. And if we are to align some of these differences, we need to really sit down and make sure that there's a lot of enlightenment and let the other people know that it is in their better interest. There are a lot of practices in the North that are not in their best interest. I can tell you that for a fact, okay? But we need to really look at some of those things and engage leadership that is trusted by the people. When we do that, then it becomes easier for us to run one country where everybody has respect for the rule of law and one law does not apply in this person and then does not apply in the other person. But we have the templates where every Nigerian is a Nigerian. I think along that line, we may start to blur where you come from and just know that you're a Nigerian, like in Rwanda. You know, once we start to put a Nigerianness far above our state of origin, then we'll begin the process of nationhood because something must bind you as a nation. Right now, religion is not binding us. Tribes and terms are not binding us. Ethics and whatever, not binding us. We need to find that thing that binds us as a leader for us to become a nation. Yes, please. We have to go now. No, Tuikong, thank you so much for being part of the show. It's always a delight to listen to you and hear you share your thoughts on some of these issues. We look forward to all of that. Thanks so much and God bless you. Alright, then Zikong Yatuk is a public affairs analyst. He's also vying for the governorship office in a quiberum state courtesy of the ADC. And that's the size of it. We'll take a break when we return. We'll be diving to a first major conversation. Please do with us.