 Next question is from Bailey Geordi. Have you tried the supplement Turquester own? Yeah, I Hate to say it, but I called this out again. Okay, how long okay, so you guys know Not from a turkey everybody calm down. All right, you guys have heard me talk about ecti sterone. Yes. I brought it up I don't know how long we had the podcast seven years ago. Yeah, at least right So ecti sterone is a compound. It's actually an insect insects, right? It's an insect hormone, but it's also found in plants and The first studies you'll find on ecti sterone and believe me. This is connected to Turquester on The first studies you'll find that were done on ecti sterone were Soviet studies and the Soviets studied a ecti sterone Actually, there's studies from that from that time where they compared it to Diana ball They actually compared it to Diana ball and it was a low dose of Diana ball. Nonetheless by the wall Diana balls debalt It's a steroid. They did a study. I think it was like eight weeks long Ecti sterone compared to I think it was 10 milligrams of 15 milligrams a day of debalt Which is low by body building standards But the average person you give them 15 milligrams of debalt are gonna feel it They compared the two ecti sterone outperformed it in an eight-week study. Yes Ecti sterone also reliably increases the amount of wool that sheep will grow increases muscle mass and animals when they test animals so pigs Cows you give it to sheep mice now human studies were mixed However, again, these these Soviet student studies showed that it worked very well. Now. Here's the problem Finding real ecti sterone was really hard to do back in the day a lot of bullshit was out there But I remember I've I've taken ecti sterone. I've taken real ecti sterone. Let me tell you it definitely works You definitely build muscle your appetite goes up a lot more wool you get No sight of No, um, it actually definitely works. It's not forever. I think you'll take it for like oh Is it like humaniform when we played around with yeah, so you'll take it for like 60 days And then you're just not doing anything for you anymore You'll get a libido boost in the beginning and then it kind of flattens I felt about humaniforms. We were all so Messing with that and remember like the first month. We were all reporting grade 7 and then like plateau and then done Yeah, nothing and then when you go off you actually feel a little bit of a dip off of the ecti sterone Now it doesn't interact with hormones doesn't raise testosterone It doesn't interact with the androgen receptors. They think it's mediated by the estrogen receptors. That's interesting enough Turquesterone is also a similar type of with steroid molecule actually steroid molecules So it's very similar supposed to be more effective I've never used turquesterone, but it's similar to ecti sterone if you get real turquesterone It'll work. You'll definitely notice But it's gonna be about 45 days 60 days and then it's not gonna work anymore and it's about time I was waiting for supplement companies to jump all over this because I remember thinking to myself If I ever start a supplement company, I'm gonna this is what I'm gonna suck But apparently it's really hard to find and real expensive Is this pretty much the same thing? Is that what you're saying? Turquesterone is supposed to be More effective than ecti sterone, but they're very similar chemically and they're in the same category And you can find by the way spinach spinach contains and no side effects. It doesn't aromatize or anything that or this day Why doesn't so here's what's interesting in the studies that I've read it has Health benefits so improves liver function Blood sugar numbers like all stuff. So now does that mean that there's no potential, you know Who knows like bad side effects? No, but the studies seem to be pretty pretty good on it It doesn't like normal testosterone show that if you have low testosterone if you have low testosterone Then you you take a yeah, but this it doesn't affect hormones So what they used to think was you take this stuff and it raised testosterone and that's how they promote it So in the 90s when I first read about this stuff, I don't remember where I read the first articles But it might have been muscle media 2000. That's a throwback. This was a magazine back black and white pages. Yeah, so this was It was on a tablet. No, this was this was back in the day when Muscle media 2000 used to write about like weird shit and black market stuff and they wrote about ecti sterone I read about it and I'm like, holy shit. Where can I find this? But they used to think that it was a testosterone booster and use that's how they marketed it Then they did studies and they found it doesn't affect testosterone interesting doesn't raise testosterone doesn't lower it So would that does this fall under like the psalms category or what is it? No because psalms attached to the androgen receptor And this doesn't now here's why you have all this Renewed interest because for a while people were like, this is the next greatest thing then everybody was like Oh, this doesn't work because every company that sold like to start was selling your bullshit So people like all this doesn't work because they weren't getting a real ecti sterone Here's why there's renewed interest the was it you saw that is that the organization that tests, you know Okay, they came out and said we may need to ban this From Olympic sports because it works So now everybody's excited and I knew supplement companies would jump on the shit and say let's do this now It does they think it does work through the estrogen receptor. So will this have potential negative or positive who knows Maybe in women it might have more of a negative effect. I don't know but does it work? Yes, it does does it work as well as eating good and having a you know What was that deer antler one? Oh, yeah, I remember that was popular. Yeah, that's an interesting one too a lot of anecdotes about that I've never tried it. I heard a lot of people No, I never found deer like a good brand that I really wanted to try and So I just somebody sent me some of that stuff. You know, you just got me excited. Maybe I'll try some weird shit again The last the last time I petri dish the last time I tried weird stuff was ants member ground up ants Yeah, I had you guys all try that. I forgot about that. I actually didn't force fed us Justin tried it Lantana did nothing nothing. I ate that for no reason didn't do shit