 Okay, so good afternoon and welcome to a new virtual meeting of a friend in depth This event is part of the in-depth course titled Italy competent educational organizations amook designed Based on the detail competent educational position framework developed by your RC joint research Center My name is Victor Perre And I will moderate this session today as part of the administration activities of this movement Just today we had the opportunity to run a second meeting With two of the authors of the course Linda Castañeda and Fernando Trujillo This time organized for the Spanish speaking community Which was the rebrand of the virtual meeting we had a couple of weeks ago in the English speaking community Well today We have to be fast and companies on behalf of the JRC Who will present selfie a tool developed by The joint research Center to help educational centers in achieving better student learning of the digital world Good afternoon, pan Hi, hi Victor. Hello everybody Okay, it's a pleasure to have you here today with us the same for me Because always for me it's very important to be with people the teaching teachers and the other experts of Education it's very important to have this opportunity discuss and exchange ideas and Yes ideas and experiences that's good So so yes, in fact today we are you will explain us more about Selfie, but we will also leave the board to to the people that are the attendees that are At home and they are looking at us at this moment and they can they can send their questions in a Twitter with hashtag beach comfort so I think that I Believe the best way to introduce yourself is with a map that sells your personal professional background Would be mine so we need to ask Okay, yes, thank you as you can see in the map. I don't know if the people can see now the map Actually, I'm a Greek teacher and ex school Head that I have done my PhD in Finland in the Finnish University PhD about creativity in education and Then I found myself working in Spain in Seville in the research center of European Commission in order to support policies for education and skills across Europe Okay, that's good. So you have trouble a beat and you have moved around Europe So, you know, you know, what's happening in education here? Yes, because As I said, I have experience as primary teacher music teacher school head author of textbooks. I have two daughters I work as a research in the last 10 years. So I have let's say quite holistic experience about education and Indifferent also countries in Greece in Finland in Spain in some other countries as well That's right, but let's focus More and what we were talking today. It's a selfie tool. So before we start talking about the tool I would like to remind you again that To all the outings you can use Twitter and you can use the hashtag peach comp org if you want to make us any question just go there and or Or team will will take it and we will make this question to to pan That way we will try to answer and Help you on that So then can you tell us how the selfie appears? What's the orgies of a selfie and How is it related to the beach comp org framework? Yeah, very good point. Yeah. Yes, actually, I don't know if you can see one slide This is the only slide I am going to use today Because in this slide you can see exactly this connection between this co-bore and selfie But also what is next because selfie is not the end of the story Actually, we developed on 2014 2015 the conceptual model that we call beach co-bore digital combat and education organizations and This was the theoretical part. Let's say When I last several Models conceptual models Frameworks and so on we developed this conceptual model and we published it on 2015 on December this framework was quite Oprehensive and having Seven areas 15 sub areas and 47 descriptors because we tried with this conceptual model to cover What does it mean to be digital combatant as an organization for all kind of education organization from primary schools up to universities and This frame was also translated in many languages in Spanish Estonian in many languages and Then we started the This work in order to translate this conceptual part is something that is more Let's say concrete a tool that the schools can use in order to self reflect on The use of digital technologies for learning because it's very important to have a conceptual part the conceptual model in order to have a common Understanding the common language, but then we need something more concrete You know a tool that you can apply in order to see if your education organization is a this type of better And of course the theoretical model can be generic to cover Different kinds of education organizations as I said from primary schools up to you higher education institutions, but the tool Itself can be more specific. That's why we decided to start from schools. And that's why we're developing School a tool for schools this time, but if you see the slide Also, this is not the end of the story because you need to have a theoretical model You need to have a tool to self reflect and see where you are and Plan where you would like to go But also give something more afterwards because you need training support To create an ecosystem around this in order to be able to achieve your targets Thank you very much. I think slide so us so We have seen we saw the origins how it appeared But we also I would like to also make you another question. It's what makes selfie different compared to all the similar tools So what what does it make it so special? Yeah, yeah, okay. It's a fair question. It's true that in order to before starting developing Selfie we make we made the same question to ourselves. We ask ourselves. Do we need a new tool? Okay, and first of all when I last what is out there what are the existing tools and framework Okay, and found that we have several very nice tools in several countries but Some of them lack of sustainability Ability so they appear for some years and then these appear or some of them were more specific for the infrastructure and this and that so that's why we found that we need something that's more holistic in its approach and also We wanted to address another important issue that schools across Europe but also in the in the same country have many things in common but also have a lot of Differences, you know a different context different needs. So you cannot use the same Exactly the same tool in order to cover all these different settings different needs That's why we decided to develop a tool that follows a Quite innovative approach and I can explain this using my toys here That's why we decided to create a tool that allows each school to customize the tool Based on their own needs So if I may I can explain what I mean, okay? So in selfie we have some basic information about this school Then we have some items some Educators that are the same for all what we have in common. Okay all schools across your big schools small schools in Different settings. Okay, so this is the core elements that appear And are valid for all schools, but then we give the opportunity to schools to select some items from a list With predefined items, but this is the real innovation of this yellow part here That we give the opportunity to schools to add their own indicators their own items so for instance if you are a school that have a program program in robotics or you have a lot of Many refugees and immigrants and you use technologies not to communicate with these students for instance, okay? Then you can add a specific question about this specific use of new technologies for learning Also For vocational schools or if you are a special school for arts for Vet for this and that you can have also some special questions. So at the end of the day Each school has a different Selfie, you know with the same base But then it's adaptable. It's a modular and this is the real Let's say innovation of selfie what makes selfie Different from the existing tools We have some other innovations also or let's say some other characteristics that makes selfie quite Different in the sense that we involve not only school leaders and teachers, but also students because many of the tools were analyzed Get the input about the digital competence digital capacity of the school based on the input by school leaders or School leaders and teachers and very few Of them also take into account the viewpoints of students But when we speak about the use of digital technologies for learning the viewpoint of Students is very important Okay No, yeah, they have the microphone. So What what kind of information can educational centers use in the tool? Which roles are are included you talk about the roles of Student for example, etc. But which kind of information can they use? Listen, the idea is quite simple the idea is that we have a different set of questions for these different three User groups, okay, but these questions in most of the cases appear Most of the questions appear to all the user groups and these questions are based on the disco board model That is quite holistic in the disco board model we have items about leadership and governance about Teaching and learning practices about assessment about networking collaboration Infrastructure main different things because at the end of the day selfie is not about technology Selfies about learning for the digital age, okay, and this is also Very well reflected in the items we put in selfie these statements And these are questions we have with selfie for school leaders teachers as students are about Collaborate how they use this a technology collaborate with it's other to evaluate the learning to communicate with each other to You know to do all these different things using new technologies and The good thing is that taking all this input from school leaders teachers and students The system then can put all this information together and they can provide at the end a school report when we present all this information in a quiet comprehensive way with graphics and other ways And then using this report the school community can see together and start a dialogue to see where they are and To plan well where they are going to go, you know That's why also we use this name the selfie because it's like a real selfie You take this information to produce any months to see How and where you are right now. Yeah, so it's like a snapshot is a picture of the situation That's why you also the idea is that you do selfie once per year. So you do your selfie this year You analyze the data you start a dialogue and you say, okay from all these Different indicators this year. I would like to focus and improve Those two okay next year we do again the selfie and Maybe next year. We are in some indicators in a better position, but in some indicators in a lower position Because you know that the schools are very dynamic organization this year will have these students these teachers next year We have changes. We don't say that every year we go To another level but every year, you know Where you are, okay, and you can compare also with a previous year like in a real selfie Yeah, that's it. I don't know if in then there will be cases where maybe they are they are going We're going to use more technology, but maybe they are they have a lack in other parts and they will also see this this relation All the statements is about the use of technology So this is not a tool that we measure how many computers you have No, it's about how well you use the technologies you have Because for instance, as I said, I have a struggle background as a teacher and I used to do a lot of Interesting and creative things with my students using very old technology for instance. I used to use the recording application in the previous version of Windows and asset version of Windows in order to Help my students to Read better because in this with this recording application. They were Be able to see their the waves of Their voice when they was reading and then to visualize the reading skills for such So sometimes it's a matter of the use of For what you have available. It's not that okay. I don't have the most modern You know device so I I'm not able to do things. That's why the focus of self is on Learning and what you can do with the available technology and trust me you can do amazing things even with basic technology or the other how you can have the most updated and Super duper Use it in the most traditional and conventional and less effective way Yeah, I agree So now I would like to focus in the development of the tool Okay, so how has it been and which is the the status of the development at the moment Yeah, and this is also very important and in my understanding this also one of the innovations behind selfie because Normally, we have a team of experts sitting in a laboratory creating something and then give it You know releasing to the schools in our case we followed totally different approach so as soon as we had the conceptual framework ready and Validated by experts and the educational community across Europe We run a big user consultation survey this January January 2017 so we went to the schools to real schools in five countries 100 schools in five countries in Spain Italy Estonia Denmark and Ireland and we asked the real teachers from real schools and the real students and real school Leaders and we said look this is what we have the conceptual model What is missing? What does make sense? What we have to include and what we don't have to include in a tool that will capture the digital capacity of a school And we collected 5,000 replies Including three thousand four hundred comments, but we analyze all this input and based on this input plus Collaborating with an ex a panel of experts More than 60 experts from 14 countries We developed this prototype what we are piloting right now Today is the last day of the data collection process is the beta version of the tool It's not the final version of it. Okay, so after this consultation survey with the 5,000 replies questionnaires we developed with the collaboration of these experts the prototype of the tool and we go now we went now again to the schools 600 schools from 14 countries and we asked again look this is the prototype of the tool What we have to improve what we have to change So tomorrow we close the pilot Face, let's say mainly the data collection process of the pilot phase. We are very happy because our target was to collect 25,000 Questionnaires and we have already 67,000 so much more than our initial target and From tomorrow, we are starting the analysis of all this data that includes also questions about the usability the language and so on and Then we expect early next year to have the consolidated the final version of the tool and This is the national team of experts was also as possible to translate and adapt the tool in the context of this 14 countries that take part in in the pilot implementation because it's not enough to find a professional Translator and you know to ask him or her to make a translation You have to adapt it to the local needs to find the right terms the right terminology and you know To do all this stuff so we have a very good collaboration with ministers of education with experts with agencies in these different countries and This is the real also power behind selfie That is not something that we are developing just us European Commission JRC and did the education and culture. It's also an international panel of experts Yeah, I see It's a you said that you had 67,000 already Schools 600 schools and And 67,000 Questionnaires submitted by school leaders teachers and students of the schools. Okay, so 67,000 users users Yes, yeah, wow, it's a lot and then how the analysis I imagine that you see Program or something to analyze all that it's a lot of information and it's just the beginning Yeah, yeah, and actually we're going to do two things right now one thing is that the system is going to Generate the report one report for each school. Okay, because for each school We're going to have a different report that only the school has access to this report Nobody else gonna access and see the data of this specific school. This is another important principle for for Selfie that the school owns a hundred percent the whole process So like in the real selfie that you take yourself and you have control you can delete it You can decide to share with some fridge or to share with everybody the social media The same is true with the selfie report. You can keep it for yourself as a school community or you can share with some person the parents or With everybody so one thing is that to generate the school reports for each one of these 600 schools that participated in the pilot implementation and We have also analyze all this input from this 67,000 Questionnaires in order to see if some items does work Well, if we need to make any change, you know in the content or if you if we need to make any change in the digital infrastructure In the usability and so on So we have a lot of work. Yes But also got very excited to Dig in the data and see all this information That's right so Well, we have talked about the development and you were talking that there was a pilot and then when will it be available approximately for school so they can start using it. Can you give a approximate date Yes, the idea is that okay first I have to clarify something this time We did the pilot limitation on September although we know that September is not the ideal period for schools schools are very busy It's the starting of the new school year and so on but for Because not let's say our choice the idea is to have the tool ready by March 2018 and then to be able to run a second Phase on April May 2018 Okay, okay Good, so I'm sure that they will find this interesting The audience so they know more or less and they can think okay. It's the next year. I will be able to use at a time And maybe for the beginning of the next academic year they can Have that into account and think Or start thinking from at this moment. They maybe they can start thinking. Okay. Yes, we have to Start thinking how How do you have to structure a school how we have to change this and become a digitally competent education organization Yeah, yeah, the idea is that you can Do your self-reflection With selfie ideally on April May So then the next year you can repeat it and so on In this case April May you can involve the whole school community because at this pilot because we started on September It was difficult to involve The teachers in the school that are a new to be school for instance or the first graders and these kind of things Yes, but the plan is next year April May to have the tool available And the schools can use it. Of course, we have to discuss and decide in which countries We will run this implementation next year and the tool is available now in 12 languages in English and the 11 motor languages and We'll see we have to take these decisions as soon as we have the final version of the tool And ring test it in the tool itself. So maybe it's time to know a bit more in detail How it looks like so can we have a closer look to something and decide with us? Yeah, yeah, okay. I can set the screen with you. Okay Can you see my screen now? Yes Okay, so this is the dashboard of the Administrator of selfie so you can see here that you can see all the schools that we have in the system Some of these schools offer more than one Education level for some this school offers primary and the lower secondary And for us these are two different schools, you know So here we have the list of the schools who can invite the schools to join us and the selfie and As soon as one school receiving invitation Can create an account and here Can join the system. I will use one of the demo schools I have created I have to say here's something about the school coordinators as we call them in each school. We have one person that ties this the school coordinator for selfie it's the person that Can enter the system Using the official email of the school In selfie, we don't use any person. We don't record any personal formation only the name and the email of the school and Then the school coordinator can enter the system and can have access to the dashboard of the school coordinator When he or she can see the data of the school the school profile as we call it Can download here a guide that explains the whole process Can also download a certificate of participation for the school coordinator And here you can see the three steps here. She has to follow the first step is to review and update the school data What does it mean he or she has to update the numbers of school leaders that for us is not only the school head or deputy here, but also other teachers or staff members that can take initiatives and have a more active role in some Then the number of teachers and a number of students For this specific school year, okay, then you save these the next the next step that now is not available because the self-assessment process is ongoing but You can do it before you start your self-assessment is to select the predefined items So here we have a list of items that you can choose and if you want to include the in the self-assessment of your school and Here in the other on the right You have the ad hoc items the items that you can add to the system as I said earlier about robotics about other uses of technologies and Then as soon as you have customized the surveys of your school you can generate three links one link is for the school leaders of your school one for teachers and one for students and as I said earlier no one from school leaders teachers or students have Have to have you have to provide any personal information the school coordinator can distribute these links and You can see now you can open the link and have a look in the survey for teachers That then at the beginning we have some information also the privacy statement what happened when someone replies the questionnaire some other Key information about the duration of the process and so on and then we have the real Questionnaire So In order to have access to this questionnaire as a teacher of this school. I need only the link I Don't need to provide any other personal information. So it's completely completely anonymous and I can tell whatever I Think about the use of technology my school and Always here we have Some answer options that if you put your mouse over you can see what does it mean always? One means no, I don't do this. We don't have this and five is yes, we do it. We have it we are In the highest level in this specific item You know and then you can choose your answers. You can read any statement for each statement There is also some additional text if you need it With examples with definitions with more information So you can select Your answers you need a statement as I said if you need some additional information, you click on the I button And you can see that we have different sections in this questionnaire if we have some At-hoc items appear in a specific in a separate section and At the end we have one section with some very basic information about you if about the gender The AIDS and how many years you are in this school and at the very end the last section is about The tool itself we ask the participants of this pilot phase To provide us feedback about the tool how easy was to navigate Fight guide dance understand the meaning of the statements If they will Recommend it to another colleague or not. How long did it take to them to complete and this is very very important Also any other comments about the online tool if they can give us any suggestion any ideas any Other comment about the tool in order to improve it and they have a dead of this process something that's more useful and relevant to the schools As soon as you reply to all the statements the submission model that now is Disactivated will be activated and then by clicking the submission You will have another screen with the thank you message and also a link to download your certification of participation And this is it. It takes according to our Measurements that takes more or less 40 minutes for school leaders and teachers to fill in the questionnaire and for students No more than 20 minutes Okay Okay Yeah, I See I have I have a question for you. Is this the the development of the questions Is it that the tool for example, is it close are you going to modify it through the years are you going to? Let's see is it going to go out is it going to be modified or will it stay like this Have you have you think thoughts about that? Yeah, yeah, of course Yes, it's true that the plan is that we can modify some of the statements Maybe year by year because we know very well that technologies evolving very rapidly and All the time you need to adapt to the new things But of course, we don't expect to have radical changes But year by year to have some improvements Who cannot some items who can remove some others that are not relevant anymore? Of course, yes, we have for senior process like that. Okay. Yes. Yes That's something having in mind because technology as we you say it changes very fast and We have seen that there are some questions, but There are all the questions that they can be modified by by the users or by the schools Yes Every any school coordinator at the beginning and there's a system Modifies the surveys and then generates the links and this will do the people so each school at the end of the day has a different combination of Selfie items. Yeah, of course, as I said always there is a Basis that's the same for all these items. You cannot change them But you can select some items you can add some other so at the end of the day you have Something in common, but you have also your own That's good and I think we have a maybe it's time To To get some of the some of the questions. I know that the there is a There's one from one user. I Have here Yes, it's a question from Deborah Ardol Is that the she says that we hear We hear a lot about selfie for schools Would there be a different version for high education? And if so when Okay, this is a very good question a very good point and actually we have a lot of requests by Spanish universities university from Ireland from Finland and from Greece to develop something also for higher education and Unfortunately, our resources are limited. So we're not able to do it in parallel, but We are thinking to do something also for higher education the next year, but First we have to finish with this pilot to see How big will be the next phase of selfie for schools? And what are the resources we need to do something for higher education because In theory, we can do something very similar having the faculties of higher education institution as an educational Organization and you can use again the school leaders the teachers the professors and the students of this faculty and have something very similar and Most of the items because we have done already some background work. Most of the items work also well for higher education But as I said, we don't have the resources to do both in parallel, but there is a lot of interest and Let's see if next year we are able to do something in this For the higher education in that direction. Yes, because the same question This uh, this part that Deborah has I have all those like for example if in language schools or centered for adult applications special education future professional development centers if these spaces can you can use Yeah, this is the idea. That's why we follow this modular approach It's very easy as we have done now for initial vet education And we have a set of items that are only for vet schools That are in our pilot in the next phase for example, you can have another set for Art schools for schools language schools and so on so the system is very adaptable and you can do this Of course, you can use also these ad hoc items in order to put something more specific for your context But this something we can easily do The only issue as I said is the the resources because we don't have a limited resources to do this development and Everything new requires more people to work on this and you know This is the only The design of the tool Has been done in a way that can be expanded that can have different modules in order to cover all these different needs Um, we have a some of the question It's like, uh, can it happen that the schools have a new question that is repeated? In another one that is not visible. So for example, they will add something but then they find that there's a same question it's in the in the forum already In theory, yes, but the ideas that the school coordinator first Have a look has a look in what is already there And he or she can add something that is not already in the system Yeah, this the idea Also for us very important to see Because we are going to analyze the items that the schools have added if we see that there is an item that many schools Has already added as an ad hoc item. Maybe we'll have to put it in the next around in the predefined list of items to make I welcome you Sorry Yes, sorry Um, that that's I have I don't pass in here Uh, pan is uh, which is also interesting It's how it's the the the joint research center How are you going to work to to organize the school's collaboration? How is this uh, how work is the The joint research center How are you going? Okay May I reply now? Yes, please. Okay. Okay. This is a very very important point As I said earlier, uh, it's not only european commission Research center and dga Dg education cargo that is developing the tool we have with us a panel of more than 60 experts from these 14 countries and This is very important because uh all the time When we have a implementation of selfie in one specific context, we need a local Collaborator, you know someone that can contact the schools can support the schools can do the training of the school coordinators and do all the you know this Additional work So far we have very good collaboration with people in these 14 countries that some of them are from the ministry like in edef in uh, in spain the means of education But also people from the community of madrid community of uh, casighe leon a local Cousaltancy in other countries. We have people from ministries again or from agencies of research centers a variety of And these people play this crucial role first to adapt Translate and adapt the tool to the local needs Then to conduct the schools and then to run Seminars or webinars in order to explain The philosophy of the tool The use of the tool and all these things to The participating schools That's why uh, this is the model we would like to follow next year to have some collaboration with agencies ministries, you know local organizations That will collaborate with us in order to have the implementation of self in specific Countries or regions of europe Uh, that that brings me also to another point. The the tool is in different languages That may they are not in all the European languages Can they can the the schools translate These uh all the time Yes, as I said so far we have 12 languages. Okay. Yeah, and the idea is that if we have uh, uh, a collaboration with someone It's not just at one school. It's one ministry one agency one bigger organization that will Take this possibility to translate and adapt the tool to the local language And then for us it's very easy to To add another language in our uh, usually their face It's very easy So but uh, we don't do uh the translation because as I said it's just just a matter to to give the materials to the Professional translators of european commission asked them to do the translation because you need people that know the education Field of this specific country. They need to adapt the tool. You need Education experts to do this, you know So to have a translation that is uh valid That's why uh, we follow this process. Uh, we ask to have collaboration with the local people to do the adaptation Okay, so yeah, it's it's an adaptation but it has to be through a local uh, authorities or official Yeah, please they cannot they cannot change it themselves The schools cannot change the No, but when we do this translation process, we foreseen that when we have the prototype of this translation we run uh A pilot with the one to schools to see if the translation is uh, okay Then can make this uh easily but uh Yes, I think we start With which I think that you avoid that the problems in the translation and that it's not as efficient as it should Or as in the system, we have a very very simple process When we have an issue with this translation, we just upload the new file and this is it It's very easy process to adapt the transition because we know that sometimes we have uh new terms, you know Or we spot a type or something so something can easily Yeah, okay Um, I would like uh, we have seen the the tool we have seen the the process We have seen that there are many Many schools that have 600 schools that have participated for the moment, which is uh They are mainly from um, have you seen If they were from a specific area of the euro or you have seen that maybe There's more interest in a specific country in this topic Actually, no, no, actually we have uh schools from 14 european countries 14 So yeah 14, uh, so uh, these schools come from all these countries The biggest number of schools are in italy We have also many schools in spain in malta, uh in serbia Also in russia we have a collaboration with unesco Institute for information technology in education So we have also schools from russia, but also have schools from philand island and northern ireland estonia greece cyprus Flanders in belgium also Many countries as I said In our web page, uh, we have a map with all these 14 countries and how many schools from this country are participating in the pilot implementation Yes When I say schools, it's a primary schools lower secondary upper secondary and uh initial vet Initial vocational education training schools More types of schools so far on this the information for these schools It's uh, it only says that that the school has participated, but it doesn't give any information about the school No, no only the school can say that look, uh, I participate in selfie What we are going to do next week is to in collaboration with edith Uh, the means of education in spain, uh to issue to these schools a digital certification Something like an open badge Saying that they took part in the selfie, but it's up to them to put it in their web page or to make it public One school can participate without uh anyone To know about this as I said they have full control on this process So we're not going to put a list with the names of the schools for example It's up to them to say look, I'm one of the first schools that uh tested their selfie Yes, uh and the information that they should need I imagine that uh Where does it stay? I mean can they can they decide to To delete it Yeah, yeah, yeah, they have full control They have another thing Yeah, yeah, so as I said by the end of october they will receive their uh, uh, let's say Selfie the school selfie their results And uh, they have full control they can use this Report with their results to start a dialogue among the school community To make their planning and so on but if they decide they can just delete it Or maybe they're going to share this report with others. It's up to them It's totally up to them And they are the only ones that have access to this report No one else can have access to these results Okay, do you do you know any any of the because we have seen the the tool selfie Uh, do you know if there's any activity Related to selfie are you going to I think that in february you are going to present selfie or some results in Brussels In in january january we're going to have the first education summit organized by european's commission And we have received an invitation to present selfie there On january we are also going to organize a workshop here in seville inviting the national coordinators who have in these 14 countries plus One school coordinator per county to discuss their experience for this pilot implementation and so on And then of course, uh, we We plan to have the consolidated tool ready by next march Yeah, so there is a lot of activity But also as I said at the beginning when We try to see this slide. We have with the three different Steps, let's say or pillars We have the Conceptual model we have the services until now, but then we hope that An ecosystem will be Evolved around selfie because Things like the MOOC that organized now by in depth that is about the disco ball and selfie Helps a lot of people to understand the philosophy the holistic approach all this stuff and we expect to have more initiatives like this in the future, you know So this is very very important. But all these things Are something you cannot foresee You know the MOOC was an initiative by the in-depth and We are very pleased that Very happy about this. We collaborated with the people from the ministry in spain And I think it's a great initiative and we hope to have similar things like that because As soon as schools receive this report and know where they are They need some support some Training some good practices some additional materials in order to go further because at the end of the day Self is just a tool that gives you a snapshot As you said earlier and then you need also some other things in order to go further to have a better use of digital technologies for learning that is More effective and relevant for our digital age Thank you. Yeah, I mean you have a A good summary right now of the of the of the tool We have seen that It It's a snapshot of what's the situation at the moment As schools can use it for well, well, we'll be able to use for free And it will be next next year. They will probably Be able to to start using it Yeah, and we we developed this tool as I said using a participatory Design model as I said we had this user consultation survey now it's a pilot implementation Then we are going to have the consultation data tool So it's not something that we developed in our laboratory without taking into account the real needs of the schools So we see the people that participated in this process the 67 000 school leaders teachers and students as Contributors to self so self is not something that the european commission developed this European commission took the initiative put the resources But together with the international panel of experts and all these thousands of school leaders teachers and students Who are developing together there's something, you know That's good. So, uh, I have only Last question, but I don't know if it's too early to to to know it Did you receive any feedback from these? this schools this pilot schools that that worked that used the tool like This this last week's have you received any feedback from them have they sent you any message? Yes, because we have An email address that they conduct us in case they face any Problem and technical issue and so on and some of them they replied already saying look it goes quite interesting And we have also some quite positive feedback about the usability of the tool. It's quite clean and easy to Run it and so on and for some schools. This is I found very very interesting They said that it goes like You know a learning process when they show that okay these technologies is not Just infrastructure you have to think about their use in a more holistic and complete way, you know, and this is what the tool somehow Allows you to do to think that Okay, it's not enough to have devices in a room. Then I have to think about the content about All the other aspects, you know Yes, that's it. So I I think it's uh, it has been a very interesting mutual meeting with you. We have seen a selfie tool Which evaluates learning and they collect different information Different level of strategies and practices and restructure, etc We have seen that the schools will be able to see which is the the the status or whether what's the What's the situation at the moment the schools and I'm probably from it's a starting point of to see Which direction do they have to to go? It was a pleasure to be with you today. So Thank you Pan for for being today with us Thank you Victor for the invitation and for this interesting discussion and as I said For us selfie is just a tool that we hope to be useful for schools across Europe We know that how difficult is their Work every day work and they would like to support them in order With a tool that does that take so much of their valuable and limited time to give them, you know A better idea a more holistic view about where they are and as I said Then they can discuss and it's up to them to decide if they want and if they can to Make some changes and so on but it's up to them Okay, so thank you very much Pan the the last thing I would like to also thank Thank the all the ones that are watching us online The other we hope I hope that you found free food this session free food And it's all from from our side So I hope to see you soon Pan Thank you. I would like also to thank all the participants, but also the people from Spanish minister of education The indef and the Dukalab for their great job. They are doing an excellent job. We have a very good collaboration and I would like to thank them for The initiative to develop the MOOC but also for this opportunity to Explain a bit further about the philosophy of the tool. It's design principles and all this for me. It's always a pleasure to be among Education experts and their teachers and so thank you so much for everything Thank you. I am so that they are listening to us. So So that's it. That's from all from my side. So thank you very much and have a nice evening Okay. Bye. Bye here. Bye. Bye. Take care