 Great to have you back here on the breakfast on Plus TV Africa. Now let's begin our first major conversation for today. And of course it's going to be talking about a review of Nigerian current ministers being done by President Mohamed Abu-Hari. We're speaking this morning with Opponabo Inkotaria, a former spokesman and a media aide for the river's state government. Good morning, Mr. Inkotaria. Good morning. Great to have you join us this morning. It's very interesting times, you know, every time that we have to do a review of the performance of the persons who have been put in these positions to head MDAs and of course, you know, had, you know, certain government agencies across the country. And I remember also that there was a huge clamor by Nigerians when I, you know, there was, you know, people asking that the president replaces security heads at some point. He eventually did it after about two years of, you know, continuous clamor. But I want you to share your thoughts on the president's assessment or what you think his assessment is of the people that he put in power or he appointed to head these agencies. Well, I think his assessment is poor and planned on sent not really on performance. I hope we can hear me clearly. Yes. Yes, we can. Okay. Not really on performance because if you ask me, not more than two ministers, or max three ministers are actually performing credibly. The rest are just still in office for one reason or the other, mostly sentimental with not as a result of that performance. So if you ask me, for example, the quality we treat it okay, it's quite normal. Government vote at state and federal levels go on retreats, specifically for presale to assess their performances in office. But if it does retreats are just to me, imagine both the retreat will only make sense when they are there to learn when you invite experts to taste them, one or two things. I mean, not necessarily to assess their performances in office because if we talk of assessment of performance in office, this is what should be done on daily basis. Not quarterly, not weekly, not monthly, but on daily basis. This minister has to report to Mr. President on daily basis. So are you going to tell me that you turn a blind eye onto when you have a retreat? It doesn't really make sense. So it's just another gamble. But if we talk of a retreat to further lecture this public on how to maximize, how to get maximum performance, then I will agree with you because we'll learn till the day we get to our grave, till the day we die. Tell me that the retreat is specifically to assess the performance carried out on a result of the ministers and their performances in office. And to me, it's just an example. I'm not really interested in that. OK, let's start with the Ministry of Works and Housing under the leadership of Babatunde Fashola. How well do you think the ministry had fed in the area of federal government housing schemes to public servant? Fashola is one minister that has performed, notwithstanding the hiccups, notwithstanding the bureaucratic impediments. Fashola, no doubt, has performed. The Minister for the Constitutional Affairs, Amici, has also performed, talking of the real ways precisely. He has also performed. But that's why I said not more than two ministers. If we talk of the defense, it's an abysmal failure. If we talk of the health, of course, the health minister is down here, one egocentric, one megalomaniac. That's why this means the health minister is probably the worst health minister in the history of this country, full of high blood pressure, deceptive rhetorics and a number of country performance. Same applies to the minister for labor, doping with a disgrace in office. So if you ask me, in most of them, not to be there after Malami, Malami should be fired. Malami is a disgrace to the legal profession. So who are we going to talk about? I mean, in lots of them, family, you know, what are you doing, my friend? You're just reminding me of this character. Who are you showing me, that special assistant to this? Well, I don't even prefer to go over. These are those misplaced characters. So in lots of them, I must tell you the truth, I've performed abysmal in a whole lot of them. That's why I said the credit can be given to not more than three ministers, not more than three ministers. And if the public will assess, then why won't we start pressing the process? Or are we talking about the Boko Haram minister, the Paritani himself? So who are we going to refer to? We just have not more than three ministers in this country that are actually performed. The West have no business being involved. They are only there to further their process and also boost their income. That's all. Ms. Enkotari, you may mention of Fascia Land, of course, Rotomi Amici, both of course ministers. And of course, you said that these are some of the people that you would say have performed. But I want you to speak with regards, what standards with which we rate performance of ministers across Nigeria. Are there standards? Are there certain things that we should be able to look at? It's simple. The minister, you expected, of course, the both sides are Mr. President's thing. You can have the best of ideas. You can have the best of brains. And so you can ideate by issues. But if Mr. President says no, he has to ammite them for them to monitor. So not that about that. But where you talk of performance, you are looking at, it's evidentially true. For example, you talk of Fascia Land, that notwithstanding the poor budget allocation, because when we talk of budget, one is budgeted in particular ministry, we are not just talking of the announcement, the pronouncement, we are talking of the release of the funds. So if we talk of federal houses, federal roads and so on, as deplorable as they are, I think Fascia Land has really tried because of starting information that I am privy to. I think he has really tried, given the resources at his disposal, that if we talk of the transport, of course, we all know, I mean, nobody will have to convince you or say that you're a woman. We can see what the railways are, the railways springing up in every look and cranny. And so even though there are delays here and there, I refer to those delays as dilatoriness, they are deliberate. So not on the part of the executive, not necessarily in most times on the part, the fault is from the legislative hand. Will I say legislative hand? I'm very sorry to say that the fault is from the Ministry of Federal Lawmaking. That's what I refer to as, the National Assembly to a Ministry of Federal Lawmaking. So these are just the barometer, the yard sticks. And that's why if we look at the health, the doctors are constantly on strike. Our health have known reduced from the worst situation of just prescription centers to death centers. Then if you look at the neighbor, of course, every second we have workers going on strike and so on. So which ministry are you going to talk about? Which ministry are you going to talk about? I mentioned the barometer in Yacht to increase to Major Ministry. If you say you're the average minister for agriculture, what is happening to our rights? The rights they say we produce cannot even be eaten by those who produce the rights. It's a shame because of the quality. You agree with me. In talk of food production, the cost of food is as really astronomically. We all agree that an exponential rise. So what is the Ministry of Agriculture doing? Are you going to talk of the Petroleum Ministry? Of course, Mr. President, we'll talk with the Minister of Petroleum. Of course, we'll see what has happened with NNPC and development elsewhere. And we've seen the rise in the spike in petroleum products, both petrol, diesel, PML, diesel and hydrogen. Which are the ministries? I know we have a lot of ministries. If we often mention them, of course, I will tell you what the failures in those ministries. So I don't give you the barometer with which you can measure the failure of success of the ministry. I don't know if the ministry will be able to do it. And this is what I want you to clarify. Is the standards and the barometallic you've mentioned, is it based on what it should be or based on what we've experienced in the past? And so we have finally seen something different. And so we should give a round of applause to these persons. And I'm focusing on these two you've mentioned now. We, of course, will get to the rest which you have said have failed. The responsibility of the Ministry of Transportation, of course, is for goods and persons across the country and be able to ease transport. And that's on the very basic level. Are you rating them based on what we've seen from previous ministers and how they've performed and how some of all these things have maybe been at snail speed compared to what they're currently seeing now? Or you're rating it based on what do you think a developing country should have as its performance standard for a ministry of transportation? Well, I'm not planning my assessment on anti-seminist. No, not at all, not at all. My assessment is premised on what it ought to be and given the prevailing circumstances. That's where I said it. So much, for example, look at the Ministry of Transportation. We've gotten so much known to a lot of people given as a concrete part, so much known. A lot of us have been given as much as we see the railways bringing up in every nook and cranny. A lot of Nigeria's business has even been eliminated. And the loans are just too much, too much for just Nigeria and generations on board. So I'm not really the antecedent or the past of former ministers and former governments know what it ought to be, is what I'm saying. And that's not based on what their predecessors see or talking about a developing society. No, but what it ought to be, given our resources and how much has been allocated or not allocated to these ministries and what ought to have been allocated to the ministry that were not allocated to the ministry and what the sums are allocated to the ministry, what have they done with it? How have the ministers been able to exhibit leadership qualities in their ministries? We are talking of, for example, the minister for labor, how we are able to carry along the labor family, the labor industry, along to prevent strikes and so on. That's what my analysis are based on, not necessarily on their predecessors or what it is in civilized crime. I'm talking of what, given the resources, given the prevailing circumstances, what these ministers would have achieved within the prevailing circumstances. Okay, but you have actually commanded Baba Tunde Fashella saying that in your own rating that you think he has actually performed very well. Let's also not forget that he controls, I mean, three... Look at the Abbasian ministry now. All the Abbasian workers are going on strike. So are you going to say the Abbasian minister is performing? Okay. They're all in line, pilot and key Abbasian personnel are all in line. So the Abbasian industry is in danger that she speaks now. All right, let's still stay with... So it's not the issue. Let's still stay with Baba Tunde Fashella. Like you have commanded him. You said that in your own list of appraisals that you would rather say that he's done very, very well. And let's also not forget that he controls... I did not do it very, very well. I say he's done well. Okay, so you say he's done well. Let's not forget that he controls the power sector. He controls works and housing. Let's look at the power sector. Do you think that there's any improvement? There has been any improvement in the power sector from 2015 up until this point? Do you think... Sorry? Do you think that there's been any improvement in the sectors that he controls from 2015 up until this moment? Well, talking of the power sector, he himself has committed. He himself has committed in the year 2015 and which he attributed to a Khabar. And you will not agree with me that he tried the much he could, but the bottlenecks were beyond his control. And that power sector, for the power sector to actually work, Mr. President, must be sincere and must be prepared to ensure that the power sector works. You have a Khabar that is frustrating, a Khabar that is hamstringing efforts of any minister. And it depends on, you see, it's a convoluted system. And if I really have to go into the power sector, it will take me two days to explain the power sector with the information at my disposal. But is he actually the minister for power now? Well, talking about 2015, from the time he was up until his... Yes, that's what I'm saying. And because he failed in that aspect, that ministry was taken away from him. So we are talking about the retreat of now, not the retreat of 2015 or 2014, but 2016 rather. We are talking about the retreat of now. He failed in the power sector, no doubt about that. And he has also admitted that much. Nigeria will also agree that he failed in the power sector. But we are talking about the retreat of now. That's what we're referring to. Saleh Maman. We are talking about the retreat of 2016. Sorry? I was just going to clarify, Saleh Maman is currently the minister of power. And of course he will be assessed. That's what I'm saying. We are talking about the retreat of now, not the retreat of 2016 or 2017. Now, let's talk about some of the things that you've somehow, some way mentioned. And those are the stumbling blocks that may have prevented some of these persons from performing. And I'm going to spread this across all available ministries in the country today and some of the people that will be assessed in this retreat. Would you say that there are certain reasons why they may have not been able to perform to the best of their abilities? Well, I think principally it has to do with the principle that Mr. President himself, because the leadership determines the pool or should be a larger stage. You know, you have a president that is now alive with his complacent. He doesn't care. What is just interesting is he has a funeralist, the aficionados that will come to him telling him what the thing should be done, right nor wrongly. And because he has so much confidence in them, and he does it and he's satisfied to help with any other character. And so he doesn't really give a penetrating thought to the issues. What the various ministers are doing in their various ministries, or what Nigerians are saying. Just like the Secretary of the Electoral and the Federal Amendment, Sinit responded to the yenings, to the crimes of Nigerians. And they went ahead in their amendment. That is what we respect. But we have a president that is in failure to be delivered. South from now till tomorrow that Minister A is not performing. In fact, that is when he will live with 45 Ministers A the more. Sinit given in appointment and so on. And so as a result of this, most of these Ministers believe that they are untouchable. And the only thing they do is ingratiate themselves with Mr. President and with the kabahs. And once Mr. President and the kabahs are okay, are comfortable with them, then they go to help with any other individual. That is what is very low. And so they are not insurable to Nigerians. So even most of these Ministers you release their budget to them, most of them will use the money to turn online their pocket. Because they know that no amount of demonstration, no amount of protestation, no amount of criticism, we will move them from office. In fact, the more you criticize the minister, the more Mr. President says you are attacking his government. You are the enemy of the government. So if Mr. President has just been case, as a result of, if the president has done what is the party is starting what? You know, so he has just been case. And that is in vain of his government. He has so much confidence in A.B.C. And whatever A.B.C says to him is fine now. Everywhere that person can go to A.B.C. You don't want a system like that. You don't want a system like that. And that is in vain of his government. He is impregnant of participants. And any government that is impregnant of participants is doomed to fail. Well, is it also dependent on, you know, what the president himself? And I want you to also speak on this. You know, what the president himself sees as development. And you know, how much truth he is also getting because they have Federal Executive Council meetings every now and then? Now, when you say it depends on what he sees as development. As a president, you know that the president of the Federal Executive Council of Nigeria or of any country does not make you a master of all. That is why you bring them up to 10 times. You ensure you have square pecs in square holes. That is the whole essence. I mean, a very good example was that of I.B.B. at the federal level. So in as much as I will not give 70% to I.B.B., but you could argue that he assembled the best and when it comes to ministerial appointments. In reverse date, we had a situation like that on that thing that for a day to speak. The first military governor of reverse date, 67 to 75, you know. But as we saw the development in reverse date, it's on parallel to tomorrow. We are talking of since 1967 to date. It's on parallel. I can tell you that. So we are talking of the Dyson. At that time, he did this with him going to university. He was just another officer. But he did well. So we're not saying you have to be a master of all, but you must also be ready and open to criticisms and advice. That is what it's all about. That is what leadership is all about. And that is what is lacking in this present administration. One you have, we're not permitted to use this on any computes around who are there and not necessarily in the interest of the masses. But they are there, principally because first they believe it is their right that they were the ones that ensured the emergence of who are there, Mr. President, therefore it is their turn to enjoy. And that is what they see. So they go there and all they do is tell Mr. President, you have what you call the publicist disquietion. You tell Mr. President what he wants to hear. And because that is what he wants to hear, that is what he does. But it is a president that is open to criticisms. He's going to listen to the media and will get the feedback from the masses, which is going to be independent of the feedback of what these lieutenants are telling him. And that is the only way, excuse me, that is the only way you can be addressed with what is going on in the country and try as much as you can to make your minds if you are going astray. But you have a president that is already cased. And the moment there is a dissenting voice, any dissenting voice, they say, oh, you are anti the government, you want to topple the government. The one important to say you are anti the government, you want to topple the government. Why are you all such a government? I mean, that cannot listen, it's not open to advice. What do you expect? Such a government will definitely crash, will definitely fail, because those in office, those lieutenants will never do anything that will ensure the exit from power. They will never. So no minister will go and tell the government the president that I'm not performing a removal, or I want to resign. It's not done, it's not a normal, even when I resigned in the university, it was news, okay, but what is wrong with you? Why will you resign? You know, how many ministers will do that? No minister will do that. And unless you have a personal feud with another minister, it is like scratch my back and scratch your back. Now you have Mr. President, who is even insulating himself from a minister? How can you tell your minister to go through your chief of staff or go through your SLG if they want to see you? It is a sin, it is worthless. Your minister and special advisor should have unfettered access to you. Now you say that you go through SLG, that you go through chief of staff. Okay, in other words, you are now telling them to be submissive to the SLG and the chief of staff. Unless the SLG and the chief of staff have personal interest. The ministers will not, they have a choice, but to ensure that they do their business. They will ensure that they do their business, because for them to have access to you, they have to go through this, because suddenly they have to bypass. And we are not just talking of the interest of Mr. President, we are talking of the interest of the chief of staff, we are talking of the interest of the, I said I was talking about government and presidential, that not protected. If this government, why are you still to let yourself from your ministers? If you are too weak to government, list that list. We don't see you, you have me talk, then you are now said you're aiming your ministers to go through and go through what was the chief of staff. In this one, the staff, who is the chief of staff? Recognize, that is a military creation. You cannot subject a minister to a chief of staff. You cannot, you do that. Do what we know is, I'm calling the prime minister of the house or the prime minister of the state house or something. That is actually a military creation. Or is it because it is done in America? That is not what we are practicing. Is the chief of staff in the constitution? You say a minister should go to the chief of staff, should go to the SGR. The SGR is actually a secretary to the government. To the government, he takes me to this note and so on. We just glorify these characters. We just glorify them. The actual secretary is like a company secretary. You just note and so on. That's what you are. You have to go to the prime minister whether to flounder in a morass of bureaucratic procedures. The minister will have to go through that to see. And you explain that that government will perform creditably, it's not possible. So your minister cannot talk to you directly. So if I go to the chief of staff now and say, I want to see the president, for what reason? I tell you, I don't like this. If you don't agree with me on this, you're not going to see the president. Do you agree? The minister says, I'm Christian. I'm Christian. You need all these bureaucracies. And that is because we have a man who doesn't understand what governments call a man. That's just the truth. OK. So are you saying that the poor performance of the ministers is as a, that should be on the president? The Biden leadership, yes. Yes, it's a function of the cataclysmic leadership of Mr. President. OK. So which of these ministries should we pay attention to now? I mean, we know that we have several ministries. But I just mentioned, I just talked about two or three ministries have performed above average. So which is every other ministry should we take it on that business? How many ministries? I can't stop mentioning all. So every other ministry. So every other ministry. Mr. Angotare, you tell the minister one minister now and let us see what they have, what that ministry has taught. I'll talk about sports. What that ministry has achieved. You can talk about sports. You can talk, you know, health care. You can talk, you know. I just mentioned health. So which one is health care? Assas now, Assas. Why are you being sarcastic? I just mentioned health care. I just mentioned health care. This one's been in health care. So why are you mentioning health care? I'll be talking about sports. The only sports I did is I played golf and I do. The next thing is I played chess. I played golf. That's all. I'm not a football fan. I've never played football in my life. And even if you are in the walk-up going on right now, I'll turn my TV to Africa Magic. Oh, there's also the Minister of Defense, Bashar Magasi. Oh, please, don't go there. The man who said you should carry a gun and protect yourself without you having a license to carry that gun, is that the man you said is performing? The man who said Nigeria should defend it. Is that not admission of failure? Oh, please, don't talk of the minister for defense. Don't talk of the minister for defense. We were talking of digital approach, military approach. Don't talk of the minister. The minister said he's just a carbon copy of Mr. President. Carbon copy of Mr. President. That was why you're pointing. They are just friends, so you appointed him. Not that he knows anything upstairs. He has failed abysmally. He's daily defense in this country. Where we have protest, we have separatist movement and zoom in apocalyptic dimensions and so on. What are we talking about? We are in danger on daily basis. So it depends. The money we allocated to the former minister for the former chief of our former service team, the entity himself admitted that the money released to them, we are not used to the same purpose. Yeah, they were made ambassadors. The minister for defense admitted that much. The assessors admitted that much. That there is nothing to show for how much they have received. And they were made ambassadors. Are you talking of defense? No, please, don't talk of defense now. Don't talk of defense. We can glorify, we can commend the government for ban digital resurgence. We can commend the government for civilizing the ground for ban digital resurgence. Not that, we can do that. But to contain it, no, no, no. I mean, the government should be praised for the opposites and not for containing ban digital resurgence. You praised them for permitting me. I mean, they are good at germinating it. Yeah. I like that. Well, Ms. Angotara, I want you to... The former president, Ushiko Basando, has also been one of the people who was praised for having a very reasonably good team. He selected people based on competence, regardless of what part of the country that they came from, regardless of their political affiliations also. There's many examples, as to people who he appointed based on their level of competence and trust that he had in them. But I want you to compare that era with where we are today and why that has changed. And also, what exactly do they talk about when they attend federal executive council meetings? That the president chairs, and sometimes the vice president. What are the conversations like, if everyone, like you have mentioned, can see that there's really no performance? Thank you, Fred, that you said if everyone, like I said, this means Nigerians are in tandem with my views. Well, I haven't said that. You asked the question of what they discussed at ESCO. Who said the tune? It's Mr. President. He said the tune. And your level of contribution is consequence upon the permission of Mr. President. I was reliably informed that, especially on legal matters, whatever the attorney general says, no matter how skewed and illegal, they advise me. Mr. President will say, I agree with that. And now, few officials you have, Partiala and the vice president opposing him. They say, no, it is illegal, it is wrong. So it depends on Mr. President. If you allow the conceptualization of ideas, I don't think those at the ESCO, Federal Executive Council, are all done. Even if 10 of them are going off 15 or 20 of them, at least you are going to have another 15 or 10 that will oppose. And you'll come up with policies that will be of national interest. Well, what is the problem, like I said, you have Mr. President being controlled by Kaba. And so every other person is just there to complete the number. We might have an ESCO meeting. And already I can say, OK, fine. You know, I believe you're a nice student, so you know what they call the Congressing Personnel Theory. We can have an ESCO meeting. And I say, OK, there is no problem. You, what is your view on this? You, what is the, after expressing your views, I say, I think I agree with Mr. A, because I'm the manager. And I am agreeing with Mr. A not because I am convinced that Mr. A is in the right to, or because Mr. A actually said the right thing. But I agree with Mr. A because I believe that Mr. A is, I'm just, he said, loyal to me that he will be protecting my interest at against national interest. Is it that the truth? And that's why most of the people who have dissenting views, the first thing Mr. President will say are those that want to bring down my government. It is the most ridiculous statement any civilian president will say. We are not in the military regime. We are not in the military regime. So the dissenters in the Star-Cross behind every dissenting world are the dangerous enemies in the Princess Service. That is just the problem we have with this government. So you have an ESCO meeting because you must have an ESCO meeting. It's a constitutional requirement. The ESCO must approve the contracts, otherwise the contract contracts are illegal. So you must have an ESCO meeting. But most of them go into the ESCO meeting with a mindset. And you don't go into a meeting with a mindset. You go into a meeting prepared to submit yourself to superior arguments. That is the truth about it. But I don't think that is the case with the federal executive council. Has financing also been one of the challenges that ministers can say has held them back from performing? None has come to say finance, apart from the minister for transportation, who has openly said it's actually a problem. But apart from them, nobody has come to say finance. Rather, they depend the magnitude of the government. So I cannot say finance is the problem. And why would finance be the problem? This is the government about both more than any other government in the history of this country. And every other in the part of the government we are able to address most of these issues that are there in the air, that are almost developing the country today, negatively. Most of these governments in the past address these issues without boring half of what this government is. If I can, it's the first government even trying to pay off most of our debts. So if it all cannot be the problem, the problem will be mismanagement of our finances. Mismanagement of our resources. Which the president is also guilty of. He's always out of the country. Even his medical toy look. You have the president who has been in office for 60 and a half years and cannot turn around our health sector. It's a shame that until now he's still traveling abroad for medical treatment. Chinibu just left the country and just got back for medical treatment. That is symptomatic of the poor medical state of our health facilities. Six and a half years down the line. That was the last time we had to leave on mass to Dubai and they blocked it. It is not by blocking it. Six years after, the president who's still spent on adding resources, traveled to the UK for medical treatment. Where as you have that, when his wife raised the alarm, but the Asurans clinic is empty and is being used as a computer, they slated her, paticated for making that statement. But six and a half years after, nothing has happened. Recently, they budgeted hard work for the Asurans. Let us watch and see if that money will be spent on reignitating the Asurans clinic. So the boss talks of Mr. President. Because the president is corrupt, his people are not corrupt. There is no other, you know, people say, Mr. President might not be corrupt, but the people are not corrupt. They get to us. It's about some act list of women and poverty of logic. Mr. President is corrupt, so the people are not corrupt. When the head is rotten, the tail will be rotten. So now that we still have, you know, a few more, we still have a few more days. I would say the days, not that they're just one or two, but we still have from now up until 2023. Do you think that anything can be done? Do you think that anything can be done and what can be done practically, you know, to remedy the situation? Like Synergy is trying to redeem his image, battered image. I'm talking about the federal minister of lawmaking, National Assembly. Trying to redeem his battered image. It has started responding to the calls and the cries of Nigerians. It has started with the amending text of 52 of the Nocturnal Electoral Act. The presidency, inasmuch as the period is so short, really, really short, because that is a wider scope. We are talking of the nation as a whole. But the presidency can start to redeem his image, stressed by ensuring that all those that have been accused of financial fraud, they're expected of your party affiliation and affiliation, you approach a future. Nothing starts with that. We have the Babashala. You know what they do? They initiate a court action. And then they play the failure policy. They ensure that you have long adjournments and the processes will go on almost at infinity. But if you're an ordinary man, oh, it's a slated hearing and you're jailed. What has happened to the CCT chairman? That CCT chairman who displayed that madness in public. Why is this human office? Why is it, you know, the president, the first thing we expected the president to do was to suspend him. You can sack him, but you can't suspend him. That's what the president got done. He did not. Because the man is doing his bidding. He's a hatchet man. Not the whole gamut, the whole lot of things that the president must address if he has to resume, from corruption to appointments, even the high-poor issue. But assume this dimension because of the wrong handling by Mr. President. Not Mr. President is doing in the South East. He's not doing it enough. Are you going to talk about the banditry, and robbery, and so on, a surrogacy in the Niagara compared to the South East? You treat him not with kid gloves and flip flan masking and in the South you say destroy them. Yes, I may not agree with your paradigm. I strongly disagree with your approach. But the truth about this is that the South East does not have to be marginalized. They're not the South East and I'm a pure South South man. Pure South and I will never be a South East and I will never be a member of the effort. You know, the Congress is marked to say we are part of the effort. Is that madness? He needs to have an example. I can never be a member of the effort. But the truth is they are marginalized. And that's the reason he has secluded, you know, under this present administration. And you should have addressed the whole work of this industry. You have more than a full separation and change discrimination in the system. We, the president, must address. Even in terms of our point points. And if these issues are addressed, we should replace the pleading illusion. He has about 500 days of get-about in office. I doubt that the president I know can affect the desired change in Nigeria's waters. Homicide in Qatar, these are, I don't know if you would agree that these are some of the effects of having political appointments based, not based on competence. And of course, a CV that speaks for you, but instead based on the need to settle political, you know, friends and put people in government. Yeah, we have already said it, that what we are encouraging in this country is mediocrity and not meritocracy. Yeah, so how can we end that? For you to be a member of the House of Assembly, a member of the House of Assembly, it's nothing to do with Assembly members. You must be a talk. And the way they compensate you is you can't take the House, be a member of the House of Assembly. When you see House of Assembly members, they are like talentants. The way they dress, the way they talk, they hang out in the apartment just, I mean the House of Assembly members, of course they are said governors. You mention it. You think that that is the National Assembly's goal? It's gone. So to mention, are you talking about National Assembly? We know of somebody who is the principal of the National Assembly because of what he did with him, is he better than the National Assembly? We are all aware of that. We know what he did. We have the National Assembly, the president of the National Assembly, who said they are not here to oppose the president, that the one-handed man with the president, is that what the leader of the National Assembly, president of the National Assembly, can say to them, how they do it? Look, if we are sure you met, what will I get? Don't worry, I'll make you this, so that you protect me. What is the problem? What's the problem of the former Senate president? Who was the governor? What is the name of the National Assembly? It was the governor. Because they didn't want you to meet, none of you were the strongest character he met, and that was the genesis of the public. That was how he provenance, the public. But what is it? Why should anybody meet, the president interested who you think they met as a Senate president? It's not to control. And that's what is happening. So you ask voters around votes. Unfortunately, that is not what you can do, because they are the money bags. What we need to do right now as Nigeria is take the money and vote your conscience. And that's why we are happy with the presidential vote. Although we don't without the passage, because to me, it's one legislative discussion, because Alec has the right to decide, because you have to ask Alec. And so for you to deny Alec, that you must first of all amend that constitution. They failed to amend the constitution, but amend the letter, which is inferior to the constitution. But it's okay. Hang on, it's okay. But the truth about it is that, let us take this money, because of the poverty in the land. As hunger, hunger is palpable and fabulous. Let's take this money and vote our conscience. And ensure that the right people, and like Nigeria should no longer stay, because you've been abattently watching yourself. But when they get into office, it's another four years. They make more money to elongate. So you remain, you just be crying and crying and crying and nothing. It's like backing on a sticky weekend. Nothing will come out of it. So I'm trying Nigeria to collect this money. And vote this is a secret in both your conscience and ensure that don't you trust and what's elected if they don't mean to disappoint you. It's a different program altogether. That's the only way we can affect you, Chief. Well, that's also- And that's the only way we can kick out all this money back to distorted perception of life that's a deadly discharge under the political surface. Yeah, well, it's a different discussion. But I will mention that that also fails because you are only going to vote from the options available. And if the options available are one and the same, then you really aren't left with the opportunity to vote who you believe will affect change. My brother, I agree with you yourself. What do you have to say? You're not following my skills on your shoulders. You're expecting divisive needs. But you just said what you said is right, is apt. Because you can only choose from what is available. And those that are available are the ones that are responsible for the problems today. But you see how complicated, how complicated it is. So what do we do? What do we do? Miss Angotara- I think there is a way out. Yeah. I think there is a way out. Miss Angotara, I remember- Yeah, like the Giga and Anko, like the Giga and Anko. Maybe they are serious. Guys, that can be a way out. That can be a way out. It will be a lot of work. Miss Angotara, I'm sure you also remember how long it took and clamoring that it took from Nigerians before the service chiefs were eventually replaced by President Mahmoud Abouar. It took a while of Nigerians continuing to clamor and beg and plead for these changes to be made. Is there a way that Nigerians should be able to reach out to the president to let him know that certain ministers have failed? Is minister for education or for health or defense or whichever? Is there ways that the president can be able to listen or be made to listen to the voices of Nigerians? There is no other way. You have a president with a mindset. They must have told him that these are people sponsored to discredit your government. He said it now. He said it. Otherwise, how are we going to tell the president when that went on strike? How? As soon as it was strike, you are going to start to negotiate it. If you are not seized of this situation, then you must be dead. I mean, dead, physically dead. Because you are in Nigeria, not well done strike. As soon as you left it, up and up, the situation is going on strike now. Both of us, left, right and center, you are aware because you are the one issuing the order to the military to go and climb down on these protesters. If it's only the president that can listen to us or not, going by the constitution. So if you are not aware and you order people to go, won't you ask the question, what are they protesting? Why is not going on strike? Because the minister, no matter what happens, cannot agree with tools or accommodation, with not, what I mean, as soon as you are a president, doctors, with not, without clearing with the president because it depends on what our law give the approval for any agreement. So are you going to say, is not aware? It's just intellectually helping. That's just the truth. Let's call a state a state, intellectually helping. It's not intellectually competent to move a country like Nigeria. This is the military. Even the military man, he failed. It is now clearly obvious that the man who was in charge of Nigeria. Not it, because it's there. Otherwise how do you explain it? So how do you want Nigeria to do? To kill themselves? We kill ourselves. People die. Every protest people die. So what does, what does you want Nigeria to do? Because the only way, you can't have access to him. He does not, he's not even in charge of him. He doesn't talk to you. So the only way is to protest. I have the protest on the streets of Abuja. And I do want them to express that it's approval of a system. Whenever they protest, you send the soldiers out. Whenever they protest, you send the soldiers out. You say, oh, there are people trying to discredit your government. How do you do that? Oh, sorry. I remember one day he said, oh, they are lucky that this is not a military regime. I would have thought like this. How will a civilian president say that or not? So are you, are you saying, are you saying that this is actually a hopeless situation? And that Nigerians should just, you know, just... It is hopeless on that general government. It is hopeless on that general government. I bet you nothing will change. So are you saying that Nigerians should just hold their hands and wait for 2023? We will continue to protest. What are we going to do? We will continue to protest. But can't you see that the 10-year legislations where the encasement has never been distrusting in the history of this country? Never been distrusting. This will tell you this obvious in it when you prove that it is the worst government we have. And have we ever talked of this issue? Have we been louder before in the history of this country? Not even on that biafra, the biafra said, well, we know I wasn't born there, which is part of the problem today, because the South Easterners have never been reintegrated into the system after the biafra. Let's not say it's bad. They've never, they've always segregated it, which is very wrong. Very wrong. So if you think you're going to get a change on that biafra, you must have everything. It's a flit in illusion, my dear. But you came with a mindset. A mindset of an honest people, a criminalist. Nobody knows they have mother. Is he the same person you want to be? How is that kind of change that you're talking about? The man who's romancing with Gumu, is the hand of Esha and the voice of the people. Don't you know that? He said it on this very station. When Gumu was there, I said, Gumu is not alone. And today they are talking of amnesty. What are we talking about? So maybe I'll forget all this. How many, the ambassadors speak? Well, the two prime ministers are ambassadors dealing with it. Confirmed by the NSA. His own NSA. And there are some, what are they called? Those who take over for me, what are they called? At first help me now. Who take over from Gumu? Successors. Successors, successors. Oh wow. Yeah. And those who take over, yeah. And they're successors. Confirmed it. They said, despite that man who? I've never been vindicated. I've never been vindicated. So what change are you talking about? From who? You can't be quick to what you don't have. You can only give back what you have, not what you don't have. It doesn't have it. It's lacking in that. It doesn't have it. So don't expect anything. Have that success. Do you learn how to do it in your lifetime? You can't start change. So it's too late. Yeah. We are going to manage it. We will manage it. On the 20th and the 20th. We will manage it. Ms. Angotara, I asked about something earlier. A comparison between the former president of the Lusheko-Bassenger's time and what he did while selecting his own cabinet and people that ran government for him at that time. I want you to help us understand what we must do in order to place someone in 2023 who would also understand the importance of selecting a very, very competent cabinet. Not waiting six months either to put in those persons but already having an idea of the level of competence that should make up your cabinet. I mean, how we are going to get somebody that will appreciate competence. Yeah, the importance of that. And how that message can be spread across the country as we approach the elections. Okay. Okay. My dear brother, I was asked. I referred to this as a job question. Because, like you rightly said, we are going to choose from the same pool. And most of these politicians today condemn the government in power because they are not in power. It will be very difficult when we have the likes of Pete Obie, if we have to go back to that. We have the likes of Pete Obie and a few others. But we all know that Pete Obie can never be the president of this country by virtue of where he comes from. I can't tell you that. Not at least today. We have few others. But will they allow that? That's the problem. But if we run it all, just like what happened with Pete Obie was to emerge. Pete Obie was just a banker. And a group of people came and forced him. He was practically coerced into accepting it. And I know that people have no regrets for it. Although the only thing I condemn was the issue of not conducting local government election. He never conducted local government election as state government, which is very reprehensible. There's no justification whatsoever about that. But out of that, the whole body said yes, it performed well. He only stopped them. And of course, I cannot show you that some of us are going to run around there. We are going to look at your antecedents as a former governor if you've never been a governor. As a commissioner, I don't think we need to credit you because your performance is dependent upon your governor, your president. But as a former governor, as a senator, where you have the free hand and free will to do what you want to do, we will pick from some of them and ban them. But whether they will succeed or not, it's a different thing altogether. Because there are plans to read the election. And that's why a lot of people were advanced to electronic transmission back for the pressure. Because there are already plans to read the election. So let us see what needs top parties to flow because you need a financial model, you need a crowd. And if you say, for example, you have the YPP, it's hypothetical, or the ADP. You might have credit people over there, but they don't have the financial model. They don't have the clouds. What are they going to do? That's why I said we have to plead with Nigeria to get the money from these money back and vote our conscience. Let it be that at the end of the day, our conscience told us. And not tomorrow we keep blaming ourselves that they're planting our actions on the now stupid excuses of hunger, gastric reasons, money, politics, and so on. Because we are not only worsening our situation. Yes. If we endure and get the right people elected into office, our conscience will end. I think it will be inside. The end will be inside. We now know that for three, four years, these people are going to reshape our economy that will be the interest of all. And not collect one layer that we don't buy off balance sheets. And after that, we'll become slaves. Another eight years, because they have the money to continue for the first time. All right. The only way out is awareness, credit awareness, education, enlightened Nigeria. Look, collect the money from these money backs. We all come from a community. We all come from a society. We know who is who. Get this money from these money backs and vote your conscience. That's the only way we can attend these things. All right. Punabbo, in Kotaria, from our media aid to River State Governor, thank you so much. I always enjoy your thoughts and conversations with you. Thank you so much for joining us this morning. And we wish you a very beautiful Wednesday ahead. Thank you. What's my sister's name? My name is Masi. Thank you so much for joining us today. Masi. Masi. Okay. All right, thank you so much. All right, and this is where we, of course, will be wrapping up the program this morning. 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