 All right, so we are up to our last session of the day for a big talk from Small Libraries 2021. And it's, I think, it wasn't on a purpose, but an appropriate session for the end of the day talking about after-hours pickup service. So learn how to do it right now from Julie Elmore and then go off and do it at your library. I'll hand over to you, Julie, to tell us all about how you're doing there. I will. And hopefully all our patients stay with me towards the end of the day. I wanted to do a program that is pretty much a step-by-step how-to. And at the end of this, you'll have product numbers and everything that we used to put this program together. But before I start, again, I am Julie Elmore. I am the library director at the Oakland City Columbia Township Public Library and have been for just under 12 years now here in southwestern Indiana. I am also very fortunate to serve the Association for Rural and Small Libraries as a board member. I'm finishing up my last year in that role, which I have served in since November of 2014, I believe, was when I joined the board. So any chance I have to talk small and rural libraries, I'm in. So thank you for letting me share this program. Our library serves right around 3,800 people. We are an independent taxing unit, which basically means in Indiana. We don't have to fight anybody for our funding as far as, like, other city departments. But on the flip side of that, all the bills are ours right down to building expenses. So our revenue usually comes in right around $200,000 a year. So we try to run as conservative as we can with our money. And which is why I was excited when I finally pieced this project together and the total cost for our after hours pickup service was $600. So well, actually it's under $600. So obviously limited money is pretty much what drives most of our great ideas in small libraries. But of course, COVID brought about multiple things that we didn't need to think of before, but we did now. We were open less hours. We had a few people that were on staff that no longer wanted to work with the public. And so they had opted to leave their positions. And we also needed to prepare for, you know, okay, what happens if somebody has to go into quarantine for two weeks and we run on, I think we're at 2.3 FTE right now. So we were concerned so we wound up contracting some of our hours. Of course, you know, any opportunity to create less contact with people over the summer was I think on everybody's mind as far as physical contact. You know, mask mandates, of course, I mean, no matter where you are in this country, you've heard mask mandates talked about what good, bad and ugly. You know, but we have some patrons who don't want to wear them we have some patrons who absolutely cannot wear them for medical reasons. So we wanted to be able to to help them out as well. Families, even even without COVID. I now have all teenagers and young adults in my family but I do remember, you know, when you would have to schlep all the kids in and all the kids out and then now throwing in, making sure that all the kids are masked and making sure that, you know, the car seats are in and out. And we just wanted to make some we just want to make things easier for people because, quite honestly, 2020 taught us that we all needed to make things easier for us. So I was kind of sitting back and I was trying to kick around some ways to find some grant funding because I had seen it previous conferences and, you know, some vending machine type things and then I had seen, you know, of course you go to the super stores or, you know, and they've got the little, you know, scan the QR code and your magic locker opens up and you can pick your stuff up and then I thought, saw the magical price tags for those and thought, yeah, that's not going to happen. So but then after COVID kicked off and changing things I was like, well, let me let's start looking at some grant, you know, grant funding and stuff. And then one night, of course, you know, scrolling along on my phone I stumbled upon on the public library directors Facebook page. I saw Jean Gaskell at a at Surrey Township Library in Michigan, and she was posting about how that their lockers were getting were increasing busyness and that that was the only way that they could that they were using for pickup or she was talking about her lockers and I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, I know that's a small library up there. How on earth did they find out funding that so I had shot her message and she told me what they were using and then I just kind of used that as the, you know, kind of a way to grow off of that and came up with our solution when I found out she was just using lockers. And so then of course I, you know, asked questions like what kind are you using what about this. And when I found out they were just regular school lockers I thought, all right, well, that's kind of simple how come I didn't think about that. And then I went off and I learned way more about locks and lockers and placement and anything that I'd ever actually cared to know about lockers. Because obviously, you know, not not all lockers are meant to just be popped outside in the weather. But I'm super grateful for that post because it just really launched such a great project for us. That's given us just incredible feedback from our patrons. There is my library. The first thing to consider is your location and to make sure that you have someplace that is weather protected. And kind of see ours is actually isolated behind that second column there on the left, or well, I guess if you're looking at it on the right of your screen there. And it, it's almost like that space was built for it because it just slides right in, but you don't have to have a space that was built just for it to slide right in you can. There's there's lots of places that you can can go to put that you do kind of want to make sure that there is some protection from the weather because again we wound up using metal lockers. So, you know, you want to make sure that it's not, you know, just getting pummeled by by weather. You also want to make sure that it's in a fairly level location. They are on there on legs but you know if you've got a little bit of a slope to it you might want to put or need to put a like a wood shim underneath it before you attach it. You also want to make sure that it's in a pretty easy location to get to for your patrons. You know, on the other side of the beginning part of the sidewalk we're not that far off of the street. So those families that have, you know, little babies in the car that they would normally have to worry about getting out bringing in the car seat and all that other stuff. They honestly they just leave their cars running they just jog up to the front porch of our library, pop their stuff out of the lockers and they're gone again. And then we also wanted to make sure security wise that it was in a very well lit place so we do have, you know, it's underneath a lot of our lighting. We also have a security camera that points to it as well it was already set up that way because we had a camera on our door. So that was kind of a little bonus extra feature because you also want to remember if these are after hours. You know, they're coming in a lot of times when it's dark, depending on what time they might get off of work or things like that. So, originally we actually looked at putting this on the backside of our building which is where our main entrance actually as most patrons use the back entrance. But when we were looking at security we also thought about staff security and these sit out probably 15 to about 15 inches deep. And where we thought was the ideal place we kind of actually set it out there and kind of looked at it. And we realized really quickly that somebody could hide behind it on the side and we felt that we didn't want when staff was leaving for somebody to be behind them and even just not even that they would be up to bad things but just to scare them. And then we also thought, okay the kids are going to jump behind here and try to scare anybody coming out of the library building and that's going to become a thing. So we actually, once we kind of placed it and looked at all those different things and from all those different, all these different ways we decided that the location out front was actually a better location for it. The things you would never think you had to think about. Right and you know once we put it there I said the first thing I saw was some kid hiding behind it and making it his mission in life to jump out and scare me. So we wound up moving it to the front and move from there. But once you decide on your location then you can kind of determine what types of lockers you're going to need and the locks that you'll need. But these are the supplies that we used. The most important thing to us and I actually realized I've got them out of order on my list is figuring out what locks you want. You know there's mechanical versus digital the digital ones are kind of like the hotel safe locks. But my fear was putting them outside I'm like okay now you're going to have digital locks that are outside in the weather and that's not going to work well when they get wet. So we wound up going mechanical lock was our preferred was our preferred method but you know if you live in more of a desert community digital may work well for you. We wanted to make sure that then there's all sorts of different types of locks where of course obviously the most important thing is that you can code them so that and keep changing that code fairly easily. So we wanted something that was push button because your options were pretty much these push button styles for the numbers or there was. Oh I don't even know what they're called but they're the real tiny little rolling dials that would have you know four different things where you would roll them into the combination. And I just thought that those would probably not be the easiest thing to use if you had any sort of dexterity concerns. Nobody will come out and tell you that your locks are quote for outdoor use. But again we decided that the mechanical locks were probably going to last better than the digital locks. So once we are locks in place we decided okay next up what kind of lockers do we want. Well there's metal lockers and then there's also plastic lockers and I was like oh great there's plastic lockers perfect we're going to plastic locker out there we're going to mechanical locks on there everything is going to be gravy cool. Well that's when I learned after again learning more about locks and lockers than I ever thought I would need to know. The mechanical style locks actually do not line up and the plastic lockers will not work because they don't they don't have the same type of pre-drilled holes and things of that they fit a different style of lock. So that made our decision real easy we went with the metal lockers because they would fit our locks and you know there's Rust-Oleum you know I can just I can just I can spray rust preventer on the lockers it's kind of hard to do that on the locks. So once you order your locks your lockers and then you'll also learn from my mistake because this this actually slowed our launch down by two weeks. When you purchase custom locks or locks like this they don't come with master keys so make sure on your shopping list that you have master keys. Little small lesson learned but an important lesson nonetheless. Then also there's some like I said we used we used Rust-Oleum just clear Rust-Oleum or whatever your preferred anti rust spray is you will need some outdoor grade waterproof heavy duty tape and because we went with the metal lockers and the way that they're mounted. You will need a drill to drill them into the concrete or if you're putting them into the brick or however you're going to attach them so that they don't topple over. And then the Dremel with the little metal grinder or if you have a metal grinder or whatever. I'll show you on the next slide there is one slot that they said these locks fit all all lockers but just a schmidge had to come off but and then you'll also need the bolts and the anchors. So our tool alert for your metal grinder right down there is where if you were in high school you would put your lot your combination lock in that piece does not come out. So when you attach this particular Zephyr lock where it's a little bit larger. I mean, if I if I shaved off an eighth of an inch I'm probably over I'm probably over exaggerating. It was probably maybe a sixteenth of an inch it just was like just enough to like just scrape it by. So we had somebody had a metal grinder and they just truly nicked them along that bottom part there and the locks just fit in like a dream. So that was that was one spot that that we needed to use the tool. The lockers came in and they needed to be assembled. So we just spent I don't know it was probably maybe an hour or two, putting them together and then in the process of doing this presentation, had I learned this back when I was purchasing our lockers I would have learned that for $20 more. I could have bought the one that was already assembled so you know what whatever whatever works for you works for you. But the waterproof tape was on the inside towards the top I was like well if any water pools along the top of the locker I wanted to make sure that it didn't drain in and leak into the lockers. So, and because Jim lockers are built for again I have teenage boys and I have teenage sports boys. I know the things that these are designed to hold. So they have a lot of ventilation. So ventilation means holes so along the top we just went on the inside of that top locker and put some of that waterproof tape on the inside. Over any of the there's some like little quarter inch holes that were pre drilled up there and along the seams across the top. Again, then we sprayed we did a real light coat of Rust-Oleum before we attached the locks, and then we did a much heavier coat. My opinion was you really couldn't put enough on so we just kind of went until we ran out in the cans. You know, making sure that we were extra cautious I suppose we did not spray the locks but I did spray a little bit of the Rust-Oleum onto like a plate and took like a small paintbrush and kind of went around just the seal where the lock met the metal of the locker just to just to give a little bit of extra little bit of extra protection. And then when we installed it we actually we just that we could have done it ourselves if I really felt like drilling into concrete I really didn't. So we found a local business contractor and they came over and installed them for us. So that was that was convenient for for me we just got them already and they drilled four holes into the ground and mounted them in for us. That was our list of everything that we purchased right down to the item numbers because I'm a big believer and I love that that's that's the best. I've always said that when we're doing programs for small and rural libraries they need everything altogether just tell them what to do and and and where to get it. So hopefully this slide will will help and guide you and kind of give you an idea, but a couple of couple of ways that you could save a little bit of money on this. I was actually talking to a friend of mine in Iowa who was getting ready to do the same project that we had done. And she said that in Indiana we call it the city yard but like your public works department or the people who just generally like fix things for the city. They they actually had leftover lockers they either redone a fire department or just had some that weren't being used. Your local school may even have some in one of their back storage rooms. So, you know that could even save you a little bit more money as as well. So, and also, I had we had happily spent this money and then we found out later that we had we were eligible for some reimbursement for covert spending. And they actually considered this because it lessens the amount of actual physical interaction. They, they were like sure send it in we'll we'll refund everything that you spent on it. So, if your city, county, State Library, somebody has some some extra covert money, still the that's waiting to be spent or reimbursed on things check with them and see if this is not a project that you know they may they may fund it all and refund it for you. And if not, if you if you still even need to go out for like a sponsor, you know, normally we hit, you know, the main big places you know we tend to hit our either the very large factory or we tend to hit the, you know, the food the restaurant places for summer reading coupons and things like that. This is really kind of one of those things where if you've got any business in town that might run some shift workers. This would be a great opportunity for them to sponsor because you could sell it to them that directly benefits their employees who may be working odd shifts and can't use traditional library library hours. So now that you know that you can afford it. And now that you know what all we did to actually set it up. And how how we actually do it with our processes. The big part of our process of making it a success not going to lie is constant promotion. We are constantly reminding people that this is an option. We when we are advertising or taking makes we put in there if you can't make it to the library to pick up your crafts. Let us know we will, you know, check out the book and the craft to you and we will put them in the locker for after hours pickup. We have our ILS system will send out hold notifications when their items are checked out and ready for them. As part of that notification we changed the wording that said if you need after hours locker service, please reply using the word locker. They'll reply back to us it comes magically through our email. And then we know we'll send them a message back that just tells them what locker it reminds them to use their pin. And then we also remind them of their pickup deadline time. Originally we didn't do this if to have to have and do all over again I would implement this probably from day one. I would recommend that we would have one or two people that tended to say, yeah, I'm going to pick it up in the locker but they didn't mean the next day or catch that it was for after hours. They would kind of trade it as a personal whole shelf, and they would leave things in there for two or three days and as popularity grew. We wound up having, you know, no lockers for people because somebody stuff had been in there for three days. So pick up time ours happens to be the opening time. We open at 11 o'clock right now so ours is, please pick up items by 11 o'clock. You know, and then the reality is is about 1130 12 o'clock is when we go out and empty them out. But but we also just wanted to make sure that that the patrons recognize because it's designed to be outside of regular hours. We also use and it's also a good way to promote that whenever we're setting up new accounts when we set up their library pins. You know, a lot of times are like well I'm never going to use ebooks or whatever but now this constantly pushes a promotion towards reserving online using the lockers for pick out for pick up. We also do when we check them out we do place them in a bag. I didn't put that on your supplies list but I figured that it was kind of just an ongoing thing. But we we actually had for some reason a an abundance of these really thin office liner bags like an office trash can size. So let's use those we just really wanted in case any sort of water or whatever were to get into the lockers. We just kind of wanted to have a little on them so we'll bag them up we put them in the locker we code the lock and then we walk away. On the outside of all the lockers that little upper right square there where it says how to retrieve items. We have that posted on every locker so the patrons know how to get in and access their materials. So far we have had. We haven't had anybody not able to figure out how how to access these locks, which is why I definitely recommend that particular style of lock. It's also super easy in the morning for us to clear out and re-code. We also keep at our desk so that we know what is in what locker. We thought about doing like you know a spreadsheet or whatever and reality is it's only four lockers because we're super small library. So we just have a sheet at the desk that's just numbered one through four and we write down the pin number that is associated to that locker so that we know usage and we know in the morning if the lock is still locked. We know the pin to pop it open real quick. So that's that's kind of how we use it. We also use it often too for more than just books. Matter of fact, a couple of days ago I had a lady that had sent something to the library to be printed. No matter what she will bless her heart she works for the post office and they're just you know they're inundated right now. So she was really struggling with getting here to pick up what she needed printed and I said, tell you what I'll put it in an envelope stick it in a locker use this code because she didn't have a library card. So I gave her the last four digits of her phone number told her to pick it up and I said, you know, I don't know it was maybe two bucks or whatever. I said just stick the money in the locker and lock it back up and you'll be good to go. So she did and she wound up picking up her stuff about 20 minutes after we had had closed the next day. Because otherwise I think she was the way her schedule was it was going to take her three days to pick up something that she needed printed and sent out. So it definitely crosses over for more than just more than just the book checkout or just the movie checkout. The crafts have been the crafts go out and those quite a bit as well. Yeah. Oh and you can actually also see the little tiny holes that we these are these are where this locker here was a little bit lower we didn't worry about taping up those holes, but those holes up across the top were the ones that we covered with with waterproof tape. Good because somebody was actually asking about that. This one was this one's really low and it sits behind our column and we actually checked it out we do try to keep an eye whenever, like after the first big I was so excited we launched these in June and I was so excited our first summer storm I'm outside and I'm constantly opening up the locker to see if any water is coming in and my staff is looking at me going what are you doing and I'm like, I just want to see if they're wet and like we're putting paper towels in there to see if anything got wet and they've just held up really well I will say that last last week or the week and a half ago whenever the Midwest got socked with their great big snowstorm, we took nine inches of snow here which wound up being our second highest 24 hour snowfall in recorded history so I was like all right let me go check those lockers and it was freezing cold. The locks did not lock up I opened them up right along the edge where the door met the the interior of the locker. There was probably about an inch of snow. That was maybe a half inch deep it just just kind of road right there along the edge and considering the way that the wind was blowing with that snow I was pretty okay and pretty happy with with just that little bit. And again, nothing had gotten far enough back but even if it had, that's the purpose of bagging them up just to make sure. Double check, yeah. We have a question also about the the patron pin the library pin numbers you were talking about there. So on some others if there's any issue patron privacy issues they said because in our ILS you can't see the pin in a patron account. And I feel hesitant to share theirs. So you know yours. Yeah, are the way our ILS is set up is that if they want to call in and change that you know if they need to change their pen or reset ours is actually viewable on the staff and. But if that's an issue for you, you can always just use the last four digits of their phone number right and then I'm going to say you kind of just almost answered the question by is telling that story about the postal worker that it doesn't have to be the pin. Yeah, yeah. It could be anything I mean if you wanted to just assign random four numbers to them and their text back to them. That would be you know that would work as well. But our ILS actually lets us view those on on the staff side, which is really good because when they're logging into envision where on the computers the number of times where they go I don't know my pen is very helpful. So it has been as I said it's been just a really a great success for us. You know these are these are actual quotes from people. My, my favorite was the person who can't wear a mask and it lets them get their books easily without contact. And that's, that's been great the Facebook post that's up there was completely unsolicited she just happened to tag us on her personal wall. So she was, you know, so we're hearing really great feedback. And what people really seem to appreciate the most is that this is this goes beyond coven right this is not just a temporary thing of we're altering it this way because of coven. This is a permanent fixture. And it's a permanent service that we are able to provide for relatively little money. And we're finding that like our preschool teachers really really like it because we could put a whole stack of books in there. They'll it's really bumped up our usage for people using the online catalog ordering or ordering through the catalog. The oddly enough Saturdays have been like, I don't know that there's been a Saturday yet where at least one locker hasn't been used and there have been multiple Saturdays when all of the lockers are full. And I was like, Okay, what is going on? Why is it so, you know, why is it our hours not right? You know, something. And I started looking at it and it's really it's not even that a on Saturdays people are telling me they don't want to get up and have to come in early. And they're also telling me that they're not even picking them up on Saturday they're coming into town Sunday for church anyway so they're picking up on their way to and from church. So that was that was kind of a great way than another lady has kind of a weird wonky work schedule so she drops your kids off and swings right by the library every morning at 730 and she's like, I figured y'all don't want to open that early just for me and I said you figured correctly. So anyways, so she is she's really good enjoying the fact that she's able to have so much more access because before it was very rare for her to be able to get to the library. But some other things to note and oh there's a train going by I hope you don't hear that. That is my library life right there. But also something to note that we've had these ups since June, we have not had any signs of rust on them, with the exception of one tiny little spot and that was not the locker's fault. That was the fact that we had the building power washed and I did not think to have them put a tarp over it and the spray gun nicked one little corner of the locker. I said before I'm a Rust-Oleum fan so then I just went out and bought Gray Rust-Oleum touched it up and then cleared it with some more clear coat. So that's been been really great that it's holding it seems to be holding up just fine. It's going to be a long term investment for us and I was really thrilled that none of the locks froze up last week so that that definitely made us happy. Yeah so that was those are some of the comments. And then I also wanted to share not of course that there's our picture of our library again, but this other larger bank of libraries, a friend of mine had seen our promotion of it, emailed me got the got the list of what all we use. And she has this huge walk up space that is under a covered. Covering under a roof. And so they put in an entire bank of lockers they're a much larger system than we are. So I thought that that was interesting and just kind of a way that you could see it in use in a different in a different format. Well, so I do I am I've wrapped up early because I wanted to for the last session of the day and I didn't want to be that person. I didn't think anybody would be upset if the last session of the day ended early, but I am happy to take any additional questions. Otherwise, you know I just want to thank y'all for letting me share the story hopefully it's something that is easy for library of any size to replicate. If I had to do it again though I do not think I would buy a four tier locker and locker language apparently a tier is the number of lockers per column. If you could see these ones from the library in Arizona those are a two tier because there's two lockers per column. I would have actually bought a six tiered locker. We are finding that most people are they're not picking up huge stacks. So we could have went with a little bit less height and had more lockers because there's there's as it grows I know the day will come where I'm going to have to look at going okay. I need to put another one that's going to need to go on the other side column. So I should have went with six to get to get more. Yeah, and that's actually somebody asked, do you think you'll need to add more, you know how popular. I really do I think I think that we will, of course, like, it seems like most libraries were still behind the curve of where we were with circulation before. There has there has not been I think there's only been one day where I had to actually text somebody back and say that they'll be in a locker the next day. So, so for us our circulation is pretty small, but I would, I would venture to say that I would definitely have bought a six tiered locker. I probably would have paid the extra 20 bucks and had it assembled. And I do think that we will probably wind up putting in a second set to mirror on the other side. Well, you learned for us for the rest of us. Yeah, there you go that that's that's my that's my joy is to kind of, you know, like I said I had had no idea when I started this I was like what do you mean they don't fit plastic lockers what do you mean this and I knew I knew it was fun when I was actually on the phone with the actual Zephyr lock company going, this is what I want to do you tell me what I need to do it. And so so that was so I really do I was really happy with with with the the products that we went with and global industrial sold it also it was real easy to just purchase straight from them. Do they think you're crazy when you explained what you're going to do or had they heard this before. No they really they were kind of like wow that's really cool I wonder if my library would do that and yeah so it's kind of yeah well you should tell them. And, but but it's it's kind of one of those things where they're like, he was he was a little hesitant because he's like well you know obviously these lockers are not made for outdoor use, but I don't really see how they're going to go bad on you. So, you know so so yeah they were they were really kind of surprising. I think that's probably been the most honest reaction is people are just like, huh. That's a pretty simple idea why didn't I think of that. But you know like I said, some people kind of get a little hesitant at the idea of putting metal lockers out because, you know, when they're new they don't look like they do in the junior high forever 30. I don't expect the luck we remember absolutely. Yeah, yeah. And I would say that for preventative maintenance purposes, probably this spring I'll break out another another coat of spray and just kind of top it off. We do that I've got you know we've got metal exterior trash cans and you know when they start showing signs of rust we we don't replace them we just fix them and pretty them up a lot again. So, I think you know my ongoing maintenance looks like it's going to be about eight bucks a year. So I'm okay with that. We have some questions here definitely will ask anybody has any questions just stick around and ask your questions we have plenty of time for this. We do so, going back to the codes. It's easy to change the code on them each day then I think it totally it totally is actually let me see if I can go back to the. So, when it is in the unlocked position you press the C button, and that clears the code out. Yeah, and then you enter in the new code and turn it to the locked position and press the C again I mean it's, it's pretty darn simple to from staff side to code it. And I've actually oh here's a little lesson learned to with that to kind of make sure that staff doesn't accidentally punch a wrong number is we code the locks we lock them. And then we unlock them to put the books in and then then lock it back up again, because if you don't press the correct. Yeah, if you don't press the C button. You know, it'll just relock with the same code. So that that was just a little staffing and that wound up taking care of, you know, because the first person naturally that had a wrong code punched in was a board member because that's how life works. And we're like, yeah, I can't get into my locker so the next morning I discovered what the problem was, we redid it and now she's actually one of our one of our biggest users. But, but yeah, and so code are not I mean they're not the you said to use the library to let their pin numbers on the lead the patron pin, they're not very long codes right was it four digits. Yeah, we acted for four digits. I will say to the about the only time, once you have these mechanical locks like this. If you imagine like an old school cash register with the buttons that once you push it down it stays down. So if the if the code is that you know if for some reason their pin number is one one one one. Technically somebody to come along and just press the one, and it would unlock it, because the one has already been engaged. But most people don't a they don't have a pin number that is set up with four and two that you know the light that would take somebody knowing exactly how it works and looking into that particular thing. So, but yeah, but the four digits has worked really well. They're, you know, it's easy to pull four digits even if you have to randomly do you can use the last four of their library cards or phone number, whatever works for you works for you. Sure. A couple of related questions here, what someone says has been in trouble with vandalism, and the locks there they're permanently attached to the lockers right it's not. Yeah, yeah, they're on the inside they're bolted in, and they're very secure, because I was actually in the process of installing them. That was, that was something that that we learned was that, Oh, you really can't get that off unless you really know what you're doing. And, but it's also in a very, very well lit area and it's also happens to be on security camera. So, but we have not I gave for my town because there has not been any vandalism in there and knock on wood. You know, now that I've said that I don't get any. Well, I think you maybe have answered the question here with actually while you're on that screen there, I will jump to this one. So let's know if you can include this as a as a PDF separate from your slides this particular cost sheet. I surely will. Yeah, we'll have that included. Yeah, that is a go a one sheet thing for easy access. Yeah. Make a note to myself because I'll forget that in five minutes. I mean, I think with your description of how you did it, I think, because yours, yours is just out in the open, there's not a roof, or anything over above it covering it. Oh, you do have a little bit. Okay. Yeah, it's got a little bit of it does have a nice there. Because reasons says they don't have. They're just, they don't have an overhang. Do you think that it would work with nowhere somewhere if they couldn't get them out of the weather completely. I think that they would be okay. But with that I would I would really, I would, I would really want an overhang I think, especially if you're in a pretty wet area. However, you know if it's going to be a rainy day if you got a six tiered system and maybe just didn't use the top tier, you would probably definitely want to use the waterproof tape on every single hole and seem that that you could. And again, it's really not that difficult it really does just roll off a roll of tape and, you know, kind of, kind of line your seams. You could always try it and then if you had to maybe build some sort of like a wooden frame over it if you really needed to. But I think that it's probably worth trying I think that you could probably figure out a way. Yeah, he's going to make sure that it's, you know, test it spray it with a hose. Do what small libraries do everywhere right you know just try it and figure it out as you go. Yeah, and we have a suggestion here from someone else who I'm helping out saying to tell the person they can get a small awning at Lowe's for a couple of $100 or people in ours wherever you should you get something small and cheap to just put over at something you know freestanding or whatever. Or maybe something that attaches the building depending on how it works to help cover you know give it a little. Yeah, yeah, just give it a little just give it a little bit of coverage. Like I said it took it it's it doesn't seem to short of truly doing a power wash over it. It didn't seem to to absorb and even when we power washed a very little water actually went in. And I don't think that most of your weather is going to, you know, be quite monsoonal like that. And even if it is in all honesty, those are the days that the patrons are probably not coming out to use the lockers anyway. Right, I mean that's good to say the weather's too bad we're going to do it for you tomorrow. Yeah, yeah, I mean like if you're expecting a hurricane they might not want to probably take that day off. Yeah. Take that day off. Well you that that was the that to tell you that JP chimed that in and you'll supposedly know. Question to that I was and I mentioned for what do the master keys do. Here you have that on those on those random times when you know staff accidentally miscode something and they can't remember what they actually coded it as, rather than sitting there trying to figure out every different combination that it could have been. You just see if I get the little close up one. Yeah, where that little E is right there in the middle of the lock handle. You slide the master key and pop it open and it clears the codes for you. Okay, so that would probably answer this other question from Jan who says what if your patron makes an error and punches a wrong, a one wrong number is ready going back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, if the patron you know if they you know if their code is 1234 and they type in 4321. It won't it just won't unlock they press the C button, and it clears it out and it will let them start. Yeah, there it is. They press the C to start and are there pin in if they mess it up they just go back to step one and press the C again. You just keep trying until you get it right. And true story I had a very sweet little lady that she would we were telling her you know if she wanted to lock her pick up and she's like, well I don't need it but I just kind of want to try it. She was can you put it in there before you know like, like before you close so I can try it and see if I can do it because then I'll feel better if somebody's still in the building, and I can stick my, I can stick my head in and come say help. And I'm like, sure. So we put it all out there, and then like I saw her out there and I saw her kind of messing with it a little bit. And I just kind of was like, Okay, this is not going good. This is not she's still there. And then all of a sudden I hear the door open and I'm like, right row, and she opens more and she's like, I got it. I got it. She uses it she uses it every now and again but I just thought that that was that was my, my, you know the sweet little lady common kind of story that she was, she was so happy that she could figure the lock out and I thought okay, she's got it we're good. We're good. All right. Looking through here. I don't see any other actual questions, anybody else desperate you want to ask get it in right now because we'll be wrapping things up so we can be done here by five o'clock I want to be out here. I'm sure you all do. Just some comments. These lockers the best idea I am totally inspired. Thank you. Just a warning, Paula from the state your state library is going to be reaching out to you to do a webinar for them now. I look forward to that email. And if there's anything else that comes in feel free to interrupt me but in the meantime, I do want to thank you for letting me share our story but I also wanted to echo in case anybody missed. I'm just going to wrap it up. Hello, the president of the Association for World and Small Libraries this morning. I would just like to echo her thanks and in happiness that we're able to co-sponsor this event and to encourage everybody online today to check out ARSL dot info for more details and fingers crossed we'll see you guys and sparks Nevada this year so. Yeah, I'm, I was, well, I was excited about how much you're supposed to be down at Wichita, which would have been, you know, for me right down the street. But that's okay. I was, I was happy to have one that I could drive to and then yeah, and then I wound up driving just to the library meeting room to watch it instead. I'm not going to launch on gas mileage but I am. I think that a lot of people are ready and we'll be happy when we can get back to, to coming together and sharing some of these stories. In person and rounding back up with with people who speak the same language which is why I've always been such a big fan of this program every year this is normally my, my Friday at home and I've been watching it. This was before my computer could before my computer could hook up to my television at home. I used to bring home the projector from work and I would project I would project my computer up onto my living room window shades. And that's how we would that's how I would watch it so that I could still do like my laundry and my dishes and I would just have it huge and I was like. That's so cool to hear. Well, I'm glad I've got it. It's been useful to you and to everybody definitely. So, yeah, it didn't look any other questions have come into for you so thank you so much Julie for wrapping us up with a great session and some. I think you sent home a lot of people are going to be awesome great ideas they're going to be trying to pull this off themselves now for I hope they do I hope they do. Thank you. Thank you so much. Alright, so that is our last session for today. Oh, she already sent you the email Julie, you're caught. So that wraps it up for the big talk of small libraries 2021 the 10th annual big talk our 10th conference. Thank you everyone for being here I said earlier in the morning we thank you so much we had almost 1000 registrations for today's conference the most ever so that is huge for us we're really happy that we're able to get this information out to you and have all these great speakers from small libraries to share all the awesome things that they are doing in their libraries.