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So the way that bodybuilders explain it's wrong, but the way that they would explain it is they would say fasted cardio, because you're fasted, you're going to tap into fat stores better and burn more body fat because you don't have carbohydrates to utilize. And so it's a better way to burn body fat. That explanation is actually wrong. However, they did notice that they would be, they would burn more body fat doing fasted cardio. There's another reason why they just didn't figure out what that reason was. And it has more to do with behavior than it does physiology. More everything. It's everything. It has everything to do with behavior and the, I did fasted cardio the entire time that I was not in the entire time, but like I consistently did it for every show. So every show I'd get ready for fasted cardio, heading into the final weeks was always part of my routine. And what I saw was that if I got up and did fasted cardio, I was up an hour earlier moving consistently more than I would if I didn't. And even if I didn't get up early, let's say, because maybe I didn't have to be somewhere that day. And I slept in a little bit and I got up and I still did fasted cardio. I still would go do movement before I decided to eat food, which the reverse would have happened had I not done that. I would get up and then I would eat first and then I would go start my day. So that would also push meals out even further, which it would end up resulting in potentially lower calories a day. So the behaviors around it, I found extremely beneficial. And because there is, there's two camps on this, you have the bro science camp that tries to explain it with glycogen stores and then tapping into then fat as your main source of fuel and explaining it that way. You have the bros and then where you're to your point, that's been debunked. But then you have the other side, the science nerds that want to shit all over it and say, that's not true. And then now you have a bunch of people that stopped doing it because they don't see there's any value in it or never pursued trying it because their favorite science nerd on Instagram has told them that fasted cardio is a myth and it doesn't work. And I would love to challenge that and say, absolutely it does just not for the reasons that they promote and they say. And I think there's tremendous value in doing this. And if you've never tried this, I urge you to try it. Try it just for a month or two of making a habit before you eat, before you do anything. And the beauty of it is you don't need to push really hard. Just get on a treadmill. No, to be clear, right? Apples to apples, everything's controlled. It's about calorie deficit. That's what determines how much fat you lose. And this is why the science people are like, look, doesn't matter if you burn glycogen because you're fasted, it all evens out. It's all about the calorie deficit. But if we cannot discredit human behavior, that's actually the most important thing. Look, when I train clients, when I figured out the behavior part, that's what I trained. I stopped training the physiological aspects nearly as much because it was all about the behavior. There's one more thing too we're missing here. And studies will show this. Studies will show that when people start exercising, even if they have no intention to change their diet and their nutrition, they start to do it a little bit naturally. They start to change some of the other behaviors because the exercise component has happened. So what I say is start your day off with a workout. And what tends to happen is because the day started out that way, you're more likely to be more fitness and health minded the rest of the day. And that I firmly believe in is one of the reasons why I work out. That's where I see the most value. I mean, it's really just setting yourself up the entire rest of the day with a good practice, good behavior, good discipline. And that could be all kinds of different versions of that that is a healthy practice that you're trying to establish. Because if you can establish that first thing in the morning, I've noticed too, have you noticed your best clients that have had the longest success are the ones that come in first thing in the morning? And it's like a ritual and it's something that because nothing interrupts that if it's the first thing in the day, the rest of your day could go left side up down wherever. But if you can, if you can nail that down, whatever that healthy practice is for you, it's going to, you know, lead you in a good direction. Such a good point. If I'm in the habit of not training first thing in the morning or doing facet cardio, it's very easy for me to swing into Chick-fil-A right before I get to the studio and go, I'm going to have a chicken, egg, biscuit and cheese sandwich today and then to get into the habit and the routine doing that. It is almost impossible for me to make that decision. When I've been walking on a treadmill half awake for an hour, I'm thinking about my day. I'm thinking about the first meal I'm going to eat and what the rest of the day is going to look like. It is so much easier to stay on that track when I started the day. We can't exactly measure how valuable that is, but I know from experience it's incredibly valuable. So the science community that has shit all over the facet cardio group of people that have been touting it for years, I can't stand because there's tons of value in getting up and doing it. They focus on the explanation, but not the fact that it actually works and then trying to figure out, okay, well, why does it work? Maybe it's not this physiological phenomenon that bodybuilders created, but it still works. Why is it working? And to the morning workout conversation, look, I'll tell you I managed big box gyms for a long time. These are big box gyms. They're not fitness fanatic gyms. They're kind of the mainstream type health clubs. And I noticed the trend very early on in my career, which was that six, so there's two prime times in big box gyms, two times when the gym is busiest early morning, and then of course, after work, after work, being the busiest, right? That's when the most people come in. But the after work crowd was far more transient. It was far more, you know, where I would see people come in and then I wouldn't see him come in anymore, and there's new people coming in. Then the morning, when I would go in early in the morning, it was the same people all that it was the most consistent members by far. Now, of course, on an individual basis, if working out first thing in the morning sucks so bad that it makes you not work out, then forget what we're talking about right now. But I will stress this for most people, waking up and starting your day with your workout, if you are fitness minded, you're probably more likely to stay consistent, and it will likely positively influence the rest of your day more. And look, straight up, this is for me now. My performance in comparison to afternoons sucks in the morning. I don't get as great of pumps. I'm not as strong. I'm not as driven. I can't work out as hard because it's, you know, 7 a.m., you know, in the morning, but I'm way more consistent. I'm better at work. I have better habits throughout the day. I feel good throughout the day. So those first thing in the morning workouts, that's all the value right there. It's not the glycogen and the fat and all that kind of stuff. That is all negated once the calories are all counted for the whole day. Well, if you have the luxury, you can do both, because I hate morning workouts. I cannot stand morning workouts. You're always in a good mood early in the morning. I don't. I don't like morning workouts. I'm a slow person to waking up, and I need to have at least a cup of coffee or two before I'm feeling it. I like to have at least a meal or two before I love to get a hard workout in. It's hard for me to get the oomph in my workout, but it is very easy for me to half asleep, get on a treadmill, or get outside of my hoodie. Right. So you're doing at least something, right? Right. And just go walk. And I actually really liked it. It's very meditative for me. Quiet early in the morning when nobody else is really out, you're by yourself. I can kind of organize my thoughts. I organize my day. I think about all the things that this is kind of my way of doing like your, you know, your gratitude journal or whatever like that. I'm doing it in my head while I'm kind of walking and thinking about that and your positive affirmations like such a great, and it doesn't take a lot of energy. If you asked me to go do dumbbell bench presses with 100 pound dumbbells at six a.m. really, really hard for me not done it, but it's hard for me to be consistent with doing that being completely honest. No, that's a good point. I can do both. If I have the ability to get up earlier, so if I'm getting up an hour earlier than what I normally do to go for this walk, and then I can still do my afternoon lift later on and then you're getting the best of both worlds if you're that person. That's a really good point. All right. I got some, uh, some cool, interesting, fun news. Did you guys know that the FAA accidentally released Jeffrey Epstein's flight logs? Okay. So I heard about this, but what do you mean by accidentally? Like, how does that happen? I don't know about the accidental part. Sometimes I think they're like, it's accidental. I feel like nothing's, but the flight logs apparently have been released and people are going to be going through them. And they're seeing all the people that flew on Epstein's plane to his Island. Okay. Cause I read that they released that in terms of all of the records between, I think it was like 2013 to 16 or something, but they didn't release names of the people that are on the flights. Well, somebody, there's also more to this. Somebody was, uh, I guess this is going to be part of the trial and said things like, Oh yeah, Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew, like all these like big players and celebrities and whatever, like a lot of people were on his plane to his Island. Well, it's always interesting when either Epstein is, you know, in trial or, you know, locked up or just Lane Maxwell is like seeing another hearing of what's happening in the news surrounding that. There's usually at least two or three major things that we're kind of looking at elsewhere. Meanwhile, this is getting zero coverage. Yeah. The day just lanes thing starts are going to be like an asteroid might hit your tomorrow. I swear to God, it probably will. Everybody else pay attention to this out here. Oh dude, this is, but the age. Yeah. Voltron's coming out last period and people, because this is kind of making the social media news. People are showing these pictures. There's a picture of Bill Clinton walking his daughter, Chelsea, down the aisle, getting married. And then like her head. Yeah. Just saying Maxwell is one of the attendees at the wedding, like front row right there. Well, I saw some absurd, uh, already like their, her defense was, was trying to argue that like she's a victim of Epstein. Of course. Yeah. Which makes sense that they would try to argue. Well, that's your angle. He can't re, he can't rebut all right. Dude, they said, this is no joke. They said that they're, that they, they tried to say that some of the details of this case are so disturbing that they told the court, we can't release this to the public. What? That's not true. That's what they said. That's not true. It's because of who's, who is going to get connected to it. That's not the reason. Of course. Going to be judges and lawyers and politicians. That's how they spin it in the news. It's going to, there's going to be there. I think there's so many people that are attached to this. And even if you're not like fully guilty, like you're bringing up the flight logs, like imagine if you're just somebody who happened to go there, like you checked, you didn't do anything wrong, but you're just now associated with that guy. Oh yeah. It's like, how bad that looks. And you're probably freaking out. So imagine, even if you're, like I said, a person who, you know, you don't want to be seen. You don't want to know anybody to know you even knew this guy. Right. Yeah. You know, it's like, Oh, Bill Cosby, whatever. And Oh yeah. You know, Oh, you know, Justin used to hang out in his house for sleepovers. What? Hey, don't tie me into that. Right. So I, I mean, a hundred percent. I think that's the, that's the only reason you're never land. That's terrible. I got to double down. Dude, I don't know about you guys, but this trial is, I'm like, I'm like, I can't wait to hear what the hell's going on. Oh, see, I don't let it. I don't even think about it because I already know I'm going to be disappointed. I'm going to be disappointed. Thank you. Yeah. You're there. You're going to come out over some bullshit thing at the end of it. And you're going to be like, it's going to be, you know, it's like, it's like so let down those movies that have this massive buildup and then it just leaves you hanging at the end of it. That's exactly what's going to happen with this trial. Meanwhile, I think I don't know if you guys remember, but when the whole documentary came out, like, I'm like, Oh my God, I know, like I went to high school with one of these girls that was, you know, his massage therapist and she brought her sister and like, and I cannot connect with, I have no idea what she's up to. This is true. Everybody, everybody watching this right now, Justin personally knew one of the massage therapists that would be on this plane massaging Bill Clinton. Yeah, there's pictures of her with Bill Clinton. And Jeffrey Epstein. And then, and you can't get a hold of her? Nobody can? No. I mean, I honestly, I wasn't that good of a friend with her or anything. I, you know, was a loose affiliation, but I had no idea. Like that was even her line of work. And then to see her on that documentary just blew my mind. I'm like, Oh my God, you know, like I totally know that girl. Dude, this is just made it more real for me. This is going to be wild, dude. I mean, what if it comes out that there's like this crazy international ring of disgusting, whatever's running this thing? Would they even let that out? I mean, yeah, like, is any truth going to escape this thing? Or are they just going to spin it like they spin everything else because it's involving so many powerful people around the world? Well, the thing that to me that makes this all like, I think I'm with you guys, I'm going to be let down is because we can't forget this. Like nobody can forget this. Jeffrey Epstein was in a cell, watched 24 seven cameras on him guards dedicated to him on suicide watch or whatever because they're like, no, they lost the footage, right? And oh, oh, they fell asleep and the cameras turned off and the dude killed himself. Okay. Like really, really? What the fuck is going on? It's sad that we live in a time that shitty Hollywood movie. It's I feel like as citizens, we have we have no power or say in that. Like that's crazy to me that we don't have the ability feels that way. Yeah, it's like what I mean, this is obviously made mainstream news and everybody knows about it because we're aware of it. But what this just highlights to me is like, how much shit are you unaware of that's backdoor to not happening and people that are getting knocked off or go missing or just. I mean, it's like this is right to me. It's like it's so blatant. It's right in our faces. And then in addition to that, they're going to it's ended up going to be a nothing trial. You're going to be completely disappointed afterwards. And there's so many like blatant, evil things going on in this. I don't know how true this is. But this so this is just, you know, reading these conspiracy theory things, but ever seen these lists of the people that had like suspicious suicides that are connected to Hillary Clinton? You ever seen that? Bro, it's a crazy list of like reporters and like whistleblowers and random like really? Yeah, accidents. Yeah, like car exploded or like weird shit. Now, I mean, is it to that? Like when you are that coincidental? Well, when you're that big and famous, it's not. It's like the Kevin Bacon thing, right? Because he's been in so many movies, like you can connect every actor to Kevin Bacon within six people or whatever. Maybe Doug can pull this up. So I mean, you're the president's wife and you ran for president, right? I would think that you're so connected to so many people that it's not weird that. So was she a lawyer? I know Bill Clinton was a lawyer, but she was a lawyer as well. Yeah. Like in Arkansas and then, you know, kind of worked their way. It was almost like they both simultaneously just had this agreement. Bro, that's almost every trying to get the power that is almost every president and wife. They almost every every president and their wife got together decades before with the intention of trying to power cup. Yeah. Yeah. I can't remember what I was reading this house of cards. House of cards kind of shows that. Yes. And I know people that have been associated with like the president and then the family that's related. And they say like many of them have separate, and that's like, it's an unsaid agreement that they all make. Like when we go and we're running against each other, it's like, you know, I know, we both know that I got my family over in Cuba. You got yours over here, your second family where you're like your real quote unquote wife. Bill's like, I got my, I got my intern. No, seriously. No. And it's like this unsaid agreement that and everybody has that same dirt on each other that you just, they leave that out because that's, you're now you're messing business with, with real personal family life. Like, I mean, I can't prove any of this myself, but I've heard that and it makes total sense to me. And when you hear these stories of what they were doing politically before they got married and what, who they're tied to and family, it's like, no, it's just a power couple. The power to me is just always interesting. And going back to the whole Epstein thing, like it just screams to me this massive, like blackmail operation, right? So the whole thing is just like, I mean, I even heard, I don't know if it's true, obviously, but there was like another building that had huge, like big screens where they just would watch rooms. The best conspiracy theory that I heard was that it was an intelligence agency. And I think they said it was the Mossad, which worked for Israel. So this was the theory. I thought it was fascinating. I heard that one. Yeah. And again, it's just, you know, I don't know if someone invented or whatever, maybe it's true who knows, but I think it's really cool to hear that it was an intelligence agency and they worked with Epstein. And their goal was to get as many powerful people from around the world from all these major countries to go there, have sex with underaged girls or boys or whatever, film it. And now they have power behind the scenes over all of these countries. Because now they have film of, oh, well, you sure you don't want to pass that bill? Because we got this video right here and or what about this? And so that was like the big, I mean, logically, like it makes sense that somebody out there would, you know, try to construct. What position do you think you have to have in the country to have the most inside information? I don't think it's the president. I think he's in the dark half stuff, too. Oh, no, who do you think? Who do you think? You think like head of CIA? The CIA was created specifically to protect the country from the Soviet Union Cold War. That's when they got all the power. They had a lot of they get a lot of money that that people aren't that is not on the books because they have to operate. Do you guys remember this was during during the Reagan administration budget? They don't have to report. Correct. Okay. In the during the Reagan administration, there was that whole Contra scandal or whatever where they were literally paying people to or they were getting paid to smuggle drugs because they had to get money somehow to support these rebels. The taxpayers didn't want to support it. So they found another way to do it. And it's one of the reasons why we got all this drugs smuggled into the country in the 80s and they sold. They will sell arms to other countries or I've heard they'll say things like okay we can't sell all these weapons to I don't know Pakistan for example but we can give you that we can do this bill to give you you know a billion dollars for women's studies or whatever or you know you and they'll find a way to create this kind of like behind this. We kind of saw a little bit of that in the whole COVID package. Yeah. It was interesting to see all the money that went overseas. Did we just pass another one? Why aren't we doing another trillion something? What's the latest what's the latest infusion? Just print the money. The last I heard was a trillion dollars. Is that what it is? Yeah. I can't keep track of it anymore. It just recently. It just got recently passed right. Doug can you do me a favor because people don't realize how much a trillion is. Let's look at a million and a billion. Look up how long it takes for a million seconds and how long it takes for a billion seconds. Just just to look at the discrepancy there and then remember a trillion is exponentially larger than that. This right here we'll tell you. Yeah. Because it just sounds like numbers when you say it out loud. Yes. It's not that grandiose. Doug, did you find it? So one million seconds is 11 days, 13 hours, 46 minutes. So 11 days is a million seconds. How long is a billion seconds? Yeah. 31 and a half years. Whoa. So that's quite a leap. 11 days at 31 years. That's the difference between a million and a billion. I've never had someone do this before. A trillion. That's an interesting way to look at it. A trillion has got to be what is a trillion? 31,688 years. Okay. So when we print a trillion dollars, people are like, oh, it's a trillion. What a fascinating way to look at that. We never told you to do that. I read that a long time ago and it just kind of highlighted. No, it is. What a great metaphor for getting the... Because a lot of people can't wrap your brain. A lot of people can't wrap their brain around a million dollars. If you've never seen more than $100,000, even wrapping your brain around a million is a big deal. But that's why I was so crazy to see companies like Apple and Amazon get to that trillion dollar cash amount that they... Didn't they finally achieve that? I don't know if they got a trillion or a trillion valuation. I thought that they finally got it. There are some that are... You know what always cracks me up is when... We'll watch a movie. I hope you don't mind me saying this, Adam. But of all of us, you've seen the most cash in front of you. You're the most gangster, right? I didn't say that. I didn't say that. I'm just saying, let's leave it at that right there. Okay, true story. Keep going. Don't have a ton you over here. But my favorite is when people will be watching a movie and then someone will bring out a briefcase. I got your $5 million and Adam will be like, that's not $5 million, it's like $10 grand or whatever. He just picks it up. He's like, nah. Yeah, you're missing at least $50,000. Like $100,000, it looks a lot different than you think, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, that's why I think this analogy or metaphor you just gave is, I think, phenomenal. I've actually never had somebody try and break it down that way. 11 days, 31 years, 3,000. No, 36,000, I think he said. 3,100, something ridiculous. It was 3,100. That's crazy. It's insane. It's insane. Yeah, to go from like hours, days to years, that's crazy. Dude, I got the list of the suicides connected to it. Okay, let me hear it. Check this out. Even though I'm going to stick with what I think. Yeah, I know. It's still fun to play the kind of the baking game. 1977, Suzanne Coleman commits suicide. She was alleged to have a sexual affair with Bill Clinton during the time he was the Arkansas State Attorney General. Okay, so that happened. No autopsy was performed. Suicided. 1991, Danny Cosillaro committed suicide. He was an investigative journalist who had been working to undercover the leads of several then-rumored Clinton scandals, including activities at the Menna Airport in Arkansas. He was found dead in his hotel bathroom with both wrists opened, though he had repeatedly informed his family and friends if he had met such a fate, it would not be suicide. 1992, Ian Spiro committed suicide. He's a toxicology reporter. An international businessman and commodities broker, as well as government associative operative. He was involved in collecting evidence in the inslaw affair, which connected with Bill Clinton and wife Hillary. He told friends he had been receiving numerous death threats, although when the bodies of his wife and five children were discovered by authorities in their home, and Spiro's body dead of cyanide in his car, it was ruled a murder suicide. 1993, John Wilson committed suicide. This was a chairman and civil rights activist. He claimed to be involved in the Whitewater scandal, which focused on questionable land deals and money laundered tied to the Clintons. I mean, I'm not going to go through this because I still have a lot of time. Are you kidding me? Dude, we're going to be here for a long time. That many? There's a bunch in 2016. There's 1996. Give me how many. How many? Let me see all the ones that we just... Okay, so I did. There was the 1977. So one, then there's two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15. There's 15 there, and this says it's a partial list. But these are all people who were closely connected. Many of them were investigating the Clintons or were, you know, had some... Dude, they're like the ultimate mafia dons. Yeah, dude. Yeah? This is crazy. If I'm all that, I'm almost afraid for you bringing it up. No, let me tell you, dude. I'm almost afraid for you bringing it up. Bill Clinton, one of the best presidents. I mean, he can really play a saxophone. He gets down. Could you imagine that? That's crazy. And that's... I mean, have you like fact-checked that? Or is that just like a... Because you got to be careful today, man. Someone just draw a bunch of random... How do you fact-check that? I just pulled that up right now. Yeah, that was... There's no fact-checking going on. No, it's just like choose your own adventure. Dude, the meme you posted today was so funny with the... It's a meme of a guy robbing a grocery store and he's got a ski mask on. You can't see his eyes or anything. He's got a gun and gloves on. And he's holding up. And right behind him is somebody obviously scared, standing there, and they don't have a mask on. And it's San Francisco looking for an unmasked man in groceries. Yeah, please identify the unmasked man. But the police are looking for him. That's the world we live in now. That's summed it up for me. I thought that was pretty funny. Hey, so kind of along these lines, news just came out. LeBron, he's got COVID. Oh, yeah, COVID. LeBron, huh? Wow, weird, though. He's all faxed up. Mr. Super vaccinated and following the rules with his mask on. I don't know how that happened. Yeah, I hope he's... I mean, I wish no... They're okay. Have we had any... Okay, so I've seen obviously one side loves to highlight anybody that was ever in sports, health, or fitness and how difficult they're dealing with, right? Like every time, like somebody who is at all remotely considered healthy, even though there's much more to health than just your physical appearance, we love to highlight them and point out, oh my God, they're on their death bed or whatever like that. I don't know anybody who is a current athlete who's in great shape, physical condition that has gone through COVID and like either died. Have you heard anybody who's died from that? Oh, Diego Sanchez, not dead. Sorry, as of the recording of the podcast, he's in the hospital. Remember the MMA fighter? Yeah, he's in the hospital right now. Diego Sanchez? Yeah. Now, is he still or... Yeah, as of the recording right now. Was he still fighting? Do you know? Like I don't know much about him. I mean, yeah, he's fighting for his life. So I have known some people that were either, that got really, really sick, that were younger, that were like healthy and some either passed away or were just like in the hospitalized, that the average person would go, oh my God, they're relatively healthy. You know, they're not obese or really overweight. They're fairly young. But when I found out more about their lifestyle and what was going on in their lives currently at the time, I've yet to meet someone who wasn't under a tremendous amount of stress that they were going through or doing cocaine or doing stuff that outside of like... So even though their body fat percentage wasn't through the roof and they weren't 75 years old, and so the outside goes, oh, that's... They've exposed something. Yeah, there's other parts that were really smoking cigars all the time, doing things like that. So I've yet to meet somebody who I know has been really, really healthy and that you can prove it. I wonder, I had this conversation the other night with a friend of mine. Like I wonder what this would be like if it were 50 years ago without media being so easily accessible, you know? Like if this pandemic existed 50 years ago, would the fear be the same? Of course not, no way. I don't think so either, right? It would be more proximity, right? Like who you know? Yeah, who you know. And if they're struggling with it, it'd be like, oh wow, we need to... I think it'd be more isolated incidences instead of taking on this everybody in the world numbers, you know? I also think that we would naturally self-regulate to your point that you made the other day. It's all improving. I really think that if you found somebody who was in your family or connected to you that was really sick or that you saw pass, it would scare you enough that it would change your behaviors. Without being told what you need to do whatsoever, I think you would self-regulate. And I think a lot of people would do that. They actually did that. They followed, I think it was cell phone tracking data and they found that in areas where the cases went up, and these are areas without strict lockdown laws, right? That people naturally stopped going to more crowded areas and started kind of self-isolating. And it was similar behaviors to places that had extreme lockdown measures or whatever. So, and again, we ignore human behavior whenever we pass any law. We think, oh, this is gonna work, but we gotta look at human behavior. But yeah, I wonder if the fear would be anywhere the same, like this new strain that's coming out that is... Not very many people have it. I think it's not widespread, not causing a lot of stuff. So far, the data is showing that it's mild. That's so far, but it could change. But boy is the media going crazy over this and making it feel like we need to be scared like crazy. We just constantly need a boogeyman. That's what just upsets me about the news. How much of that can you take in all the time with staying sane? You know what I told my... Because I have a family thread with a lot of family members, aunts and uncles and cousins. And it's usually, it's a wonderful thread. We share pictures of babies and talk about holidays and stuff. And I have some family members, and I can fall into this, by the way, that boy do they spin constantly in this, right? And they're constantly sharing news articles. And oh my God, I can't believe that they're gonna do this and I can't believe they're gonna do that. And I had some conversations with them and I said, you know, I can get caught up in that myself, especially because I have a tendency towards being a hypochondriac. So this is like my worst case scenario. Like the worst thing ever for me is an illness that's spreading. Like that, for me, fucks on my head more than almost anything. You guys know that about me. And I told them I said... You're better with a meteor coming down. Yeah, it just messes with me anyway. And I told them I said, what I had to do is I had to consciously turn shit off. So I literally would tell myself, for four days, I'm not gonna read anything about any of this stuff. And the improvement in my mental health was incredible. Ignorance is bliss. Yeah, and it's not even that. I'm trying to stay, because then they would argue me, don't you wanna stay informed? I'm like, listen, if you do it for four days and some crazy emergency happens, pretty sure someone's gonna come tell you. Yeah, so it's not about staying informed. It's about feeding that fear monster that lives inside of you constantly. Eckhart Tolle would call it the ego, right? The pain body constantly needs to feed itself with negativity. And we think we don't like negativity, yet we seek it out all the time. We constantly seek it out. Well, on a positive note, I promised the audience that I would share more both on the real estate side of things and then also our angel investing. So recently, we have invested in Zbiotics. I think we mentioned it. That's how much we believe in the company. Put our money where our mouth is. Very exciting. I mean, we're excited about it. We were already considering doing it before. We had Zach come to the studio just a couple of weeks ago and just blown away and impressed by the direction that the company is going and what they were already doing. They've had incredible traction and growth and they're doing well. And then to see what their plans were. And I didn't know that. So up into this, I looked at them as just this cool drink that you could take to eliminate or reduce the hangover effects. And I've tried it enough times ago. This is revolutionary. This is amazing. People are going to love it when they try it. And I was sold on the company just from that. But after hearing him and what they are doing with other future products. Just the tip of the iceberg. Oh my God. It was a low hanging fruit. It was like a slam dunk deal for them to just start there, but it's nowhere near. Well, the science is wild. Like they literally, this is what they did with their current product that's out in market. I want to explain this because it's wild science. They took bacteria and they modified it so that this bacteria produces compounds that break down acetyl aldehyde which is this negative byproduct of alcohol. So what they did is they literally created, they modified bacteria to do what they wanted. And the science exists to be able to do this for lots of different things. So what you could do is you could create bacteria to theoretically, this is totally possible, to produce more serotonin, more dopamine to produce anti-inflammatory compounds. Like the sky's the limit with what you can do with bacteria in that case. And now there's complex things to do. For example, creating bacteria that helps with breaking down the negative byproducts of alcohol. Like you said, Adam, low hanging fruit very easy. You know, if I want to create a bacteria that helps with depression, well, that's a really complex. And we could eventually do it, but we have to address so many different things. It would be much more complex, much more, you know, difficult. But yeah, this is remarkable. I think this is a field of science that's going to explode. Yeah, I agree. So what do you think about the whole new class? What do you think about the pharmaceutical? What do you guys think about the future application? One thing, because what went through my head when I was listening to that was like my struggle with psoriasis and autoimmune stuff. Like, and trying to figure out what is happening chemically in my body that causes this autoimmune reaction and what if we could genetically modify a bacteria that actually combated that, regardless of the food I ate. So if we could isolate and figure out what it is that causes this autoimmune reaction and then you could actually genetically modify a bacteria that I would ingest. Totally. I mean, that's, well, imagine, I mean, we're just talking about psoriasis and my single issue that I'm dealing with. It's because your bacteria, your flora, right, your, the bacteria that lives in your body and on your body is, it's considerate, and he said this, I think, in the podcast. It's like another organ. It's another organ of the human body and it's responsible for influencing lots and lots and lots of different functions. The point where we've connected bacteria to Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, heart disease, obesity, depression, libido, inflammation, like you name it. There's been a connection somehow and it's either a connection that is causing or it's a connection that's caused by a particular situation. Nonetheless, they're connected. There's a highway between the two. And so this science is remarkable and the potential, unless we really find out that there's no connection and everything we saw was garbage, which doesn't look that way, the potential is limitless to what can happen. As long as we can create the right, you know, type of bacteria and the right mechanisms, remarkable. So, yeah, when we talk to him and because we like the product so much for the alcohol aspect, we're like, and literally this is what we did. We sat down, this is true now. We sat down with him, talked with him more, loved the product. Oh, we've been working with you guys for a while. What's going on in the future? What's happening at the company? And we literally, he didn't approach us, we approached him. Can we invest in your company? Yeah. And he said, let me see if we can work something out. Well, more remarkable, limitless, fascinating things. I'm so hung up on this metaverse NFT. I know, you love it. It's so fascinating to me right now what people are doing. I mean, I don't know about you guys, but I mean, I have a lot of family and friends that are connected to me that are going in on all this stuff. Are they really? Oh, yeah, buying NFTs here and there and just... Now, they're expecting to sell it later for higher... I mean, yeah, it's all speculation. That's all it is. It's not a hard asset. You're completely speculating on that if things go the direction they... Didn't someone sell NFT real estate? Yeah, 2.4 million. So now, here's the thing that's tripping, and somebody's explained this to me because it doesn't make any sense. Theoretically, in the metaverse, there's a limitless supply of real estate, right? It's not like real real estate. Theoretically, but think of it more like a video game, right? So this is how I am. Please correct me if I'm wrong because I don't fully understand this, but imagine if a level or a place in the video game is for sale and this place in this video game, say level one has Nike and Great America theme park. You want to make sure the real estate, you're close to that, right? So, for example, like Nike... I get it. Nike just bought real estate in Roblox. So Nike is now invested in a part... Oh, my God. Video game makers can drum up so much money now. But that makes sense because, yeah, they can outfit their characters with the clothes. Right. So think about how Starbucks, one of the Starbucks strategies in the real world when they put up a store is they put them all by McDonald's. I don't know if you guys know that or not, but that's one of their strategies is just... They know that the type of clientele that is attracted to going to McDonald's, stuff like that, they're going to get... I've heard of that. I've heard also businesses look for Whole Foods because Whole Foods is just a good job. Yeah, so imagine if Nike buys real estate in this video game metaverse world, how valuable real estate will be right next door. So your little avatar guy goes into Nike, does all the cool Nike things, and he goes right next door to your store or whatever. Well, think about this. The video games we played when we were kids, like Mario Brothers, think of the levels that are the most popular. How much each level would cost. There's some levels that suck. Nobody really cares about that one. Well, that's the thing. I mean, you're going to want something where there's foot traffic virtually, otherwise it's going to be completely worthless. Well, that's the part that is risky right now, right? So if you... You're guessing. Yeah, you're guessing, but I mean, if someone like Nike, which is a billion-dollar company, goes into a place and invest a significant amount of money, it's probably a pretty safe bet that if you bought some real estate nearby it that by proxy, you're going to do well. Now, here's my question. Okay, so it's no different than a sponsor buying real estate on our podcast. We're going to talk about a sponsor. They pay us money, so they're going to pay a video game for real estate on a particular level. Here's my question though. What control do you own as the owner of that real estate? Let's say you own level six of Roblox or whatever. I don't even know if there's levels, but let's just say you own something like that. Does that then mean you can rent your space out? Does that mean you can... That Roblox is still going to develop video games on it? Do you own the air above it if there's air? That's 100% right? Yeah, like how does that... I guess it's different from... It would imagine it's different from space to space. I would imagine that too. Like I don't know. I don't know exactly. I mean, the value that I would see in it, and I don't think you could buy like a whole level. Sure. Maybe they wouldn't allow... Maybe there's like... They wouldn't allow the... Like Roblox wouldn't allow you to own the whole level. Right. They would want the rights to that. But a part of the real estate within a level makes sense because it's like... Maybe you could brand the whole thing. Well, yeah, you do. Like if you look up, maybe Doug can pull up. Nike... Nike... No, Mikey. Nike partners with Roblox, and you can see what they did. And it's like a whole experience. Your little avatar goes through... That's Nike land. And it's all branded Nike land. I mean, there's Nike stuff everywhere and trying on shoes and doing all sort of that. Oh my God. And then Nike is now selling the kids or whoever's playing Nike NFT shoes. Right. And exactly. They can buy and then... And so that's the thing. Skins. That's the thing. I'm telling you guys, you're going to be all... Okay, there you go. Oh, Nike land and Roblox. There you go. Wow. Right. So it's just a great way for branding. I'm sure you're going to be able to buy NFTs there, which, you know, when we get into the AR world, I mean, this is around the corner, right? Being able to wear these Google glasses or whatever they're going to be, whoever brands them first or does well, we can be sitting here right now. And you guys have your normal outfits on. And then I'm going to put my glasses on and I'm going to see your virtual outfits that you are going to be able to buy. And what's going to... Just like in the real world, okay? There's people that spend thousands of dollars on a pair of Sneaky Sneakies. I don't know what's up with them. Sneakies and Goo Goo Gaga. Can I speak to that? I don't know what's going... Hey, hey, what do you mean this is... I don't know. I didn't have... You need more magic spoon. Yeah, I put on my Sneakies. You're going to have more protein in your breakfast with that magic spoon. No, dude, so there's people that will spend that kind of money. Do you like that commercial? I do. No, that wasn't a good place for it. That would have been a better, like, like, for pure... I was trying to think about how we would construct our little metaverse, like, land with all of our sponsors and everything, and, like, you know, maybe there's, like, a huge bowl. Well, no, another great example. Imagine we build our own virtual space and world that lives within the metaverse, and then we can sell real estate to our partners. Our partners already pay us money to have real estate on the podcast. If we made this place, you know, Mind Pump Land, a fun place for people to be at, and there's traffic in this... What would Adam Land look like? I don't know. I mean, I've already came out and said that I would be a part of the unemployed people, so I'm fascinated by all this stuff. Would I dabble in it? Absolutely. I don't believe you. You know why I don't believe you? Why? Because if it turns into a massive business investment opportunity, there's no way in hell that Adam Land doesn't exist. You wouldn't be able to sit. I don't buy it. So, okay, okay, fair enough. I could see myself participating in it for the business reasons only. Like, I... You wouldn't play in Adam Land, do you? Well, I mean, it's even how I watch myself and how I monitor Instagram today. Okay, I turned on Instagram, Facebook, YouTube with the intentions of... I didn't know it was going to be Mind Pump, but building a digital e-commerce business. That was the plan the very first time I posted the very first stupid picture on Instagram and Facebook. That was the real reason why I did it. Now, over the last eight, nine years that I've been on there, I've fallen prey to the same trap that all the other people do, where it sucks you in and all I'm doing is scrolling and looking at booty pics and bullshit and things that are not feeding my soul or making me grow or be a better person. And so, I have to monitor this stuff and regulate how much I'm in it. I don't think it's going to be any different for this metaverse. I think it's going to be just like another one of these things that people love to escape and go to. And if you're not self-aware enough to catch yourself, so I will probably dabble in it the same way, but then also have this plan of, I don't want to get stuck in this. I feel like I could describe mine if you guys are- Justin Lam, hell yeah. Yeah, so it's like this huge forest of cheese trees and you're lumberjack and your axe actually is like a guitar that plays metal and also- And your avatar has that spot. Yeah, you can be a Jedi whenever you want. Oh, wow. Yeah. I'll play that. Right? Yeah. I feel like mine would be boring. You know what I mean? Hey, come to Sal Land and I'll answer your deans and I'll hit your science questions. I'll confidently answer your questions, whether I'm right or wrong. That's what- Hey, speaking of Instagram, did you guys see I rolled over a three figure with 100,000 followers? I did. Such a depressing day for that. Wow. Such a depressing day. Who cares? You know what's funny? Wow. Of all the people in the social, like in the influencer business, it's such a big deal. Insulting. It's not a big deal. It doesn't mean that much at all, actually. Of all the things that we do, that's the least. I mean, it means you're the most popular of the four of us. I mean, it doesn't mean that. On Instagram. Yeah. Yeah. You better own that. Yeah. Except when- Start acting like it. No, I'm going to call you out, Justin. I don't care where we go in the real world. No, you can't do that anymore. You're 100,000 followers. Listen, that's bullshit. We show up everywhere. Doesn't matter where- It's fact, Adam and I will go to speaking engagements, and we'll ask them on purpose. Yeah, that's because I'm not there. That's the only reason. Well, hey, raise your hand. Tell us who your favorite host is. It's always like eight of them are Justin. There's like one that's me, one that's Adam. Yeah, but then if it's us three, then it's, oh, it's Doug. Yeah, because whoever it is isn't there. Yeah. Is that your theory? That's my theory. That's not a theory. I think the order goes you, then Doug, and then Sal and I are tied for last or third, however you want to look at it. They're sharing for me and Doug. It's the- There's a love-hate relationship that I think that comes with Sal and I. I think you're more likable in the- Super likable. Hate, love, hate, love. I mean, I love you. I mean, I'm drawn in. Totally. That's why I'm here. Speaking of love, I got to get back to Magic Spoon. So I had one of my- I don't know if you guys met my buddy Dom. He came. He's an investment advisor, super smart guy. Guy who came in the other day? Yeah, love him. He's always given me free investment advice and he's into working out and training and the guy's Muay Thai. He fights Muay Thai. In fact, one I held pad for him once and that was the last time. Guy kicks like a horse, dude. Oh, yeah. Crazy genetics, too, by the way. He lifts weights for kickboxing and the guy could squat four plates. Like, it's no big deal. Anyway, he came in here because he was in the area and he's like, hey, I've never seen your studio. I'm like, hey, come on by and also do you want any supplements because we have this back room and because he's always given me free advice. I'm like, let me give you some free stuff. So we're going through and he looks up. He's like, cereal. Why do you guys have kid's cereal in here? I'm like, bro, try this out. Not just any kid's cereal. Yeah, I'm like, try this out and let me know what you think. So anyway, the guy's ordered seven boxes. He went crazy. He texted me and he's like, bro, this cereal's incredible. Are you sure that it's got a lot of protein? Yeah, I keep waiting for the bodybuilder because it's so perfect for that. Totally. All the different protein shakes, everybody was trying to do all those old flavors that we remember growing up, like Cementose Crunch and whatever. I used to see all these flavor. I'm like, look, it's literally cereal with the protein in it. So it's just like a perfect- And no sugar. You know they have like a satisfaction guarantee thing, right? So they dug, don't they? If you don't like the cereal, like if you order from them, you don't like the cereal, you can send it back, yeah? Yeah, on your first order. Yeah, so they do a satisfaction guarantee. So I think that's pretty cool. They have some of the highest ratings if you look at their like star ratings or whatever. It's like- I mean, I feel like you can only do something like that if you know your product is the shit. I mean, if you otherwise you go broke giving everybody their money back who tries your product. So you count on that 90 plus percent of people are gonna love it. You know it's funny though, so Dom, right? He's not a fitness guy, but he works out. So he's like, bro, there's no sugar, it's high in protein, this is crazy. He's like, so can I get fat off this? I'm like, yeah, dude, you could eat a whole box every day and your calories are too high. So you'll still, you'll still gain weight. That is true, but if you did crush a whole box of management, it is still much lower in calories than like a normal bowl of a lot of railers. Have you guys eaten a whole box at once? I have, I have. At once? All at once? Not at once. Probably half a box. No, I've gone back and I've gone through a whole box. In a whole day? Yeah, yeah. And I've calculated it up. It's not that crazy amount of calories. How many grams of protein is it in a, like a serving that you would actually eat? Like 30 something? Oh, like that I would normally eat? Yeah, like they give you a small serving, but you'll Yeah, no, at least that. No, I'm getting at least 40, 50 grams minimum. So it's, and that's only like, uh, I want to say three or four servings worth. So, but I mean, come on. When you look at like serving size of cereal, nobody eats the serving size of cereal. I don't care if you're healthy or not healthy. No, like you look at the bowl and I have done this many times. And if you guys have never done this, do this. I think it's important you do this. So you actually measure what they say. Yeah, measure and so you can see what you're feeding your kids and yourself when you give them cereal. Like the back of boxes, most boxes are either a quarter cup, a half cup or three quarters of cup, not even a cup. And one cup of cereal is nothing. No, nobody eats three fourths of cup of cereal or a half cup of cereal. Everybody is eating two to three to four cups of cereal. Yeah, what does that say? The same person eats two Pringles only. This is the peanut butter, 170 calories per cup, one cup. How many cups in a, or how many servings per box? Five. So they, so not even a thousand calories. For a whole box of cereal. How many grams of protein would that be? It's 14 grams, so that's 70 grams of protein. Oh wow. So 70 grams of protein under a thousand calories. And it's whey protein. Yeah, it's really good protein. That's what I'm saying. It's not, I mean, I'm not encouraging people to binge eat or go eat a whole box of cereal. But my point is, Or you could do worse than the point. You could smoke a joint and do that and watch cartoons. It's a good time. Yeah, that's all I'm saying. The only thing they're lacking is the little like plastic toy. Yeah, it's different. When are you going to come out of that, man? Can I tell you something right now? That closed me on cereal so many times. Yeah, dude. Did it really? A shitty toy. I'll take the cereal that is, I like less than this one. So who hacked that first? Was McDonald's the first one to hack that? Does anybody know? Oh, the Happy Meal? The little Bart Simpson on a skateboard? Yeah, like who hacked the toy giving toys away with food? Cracker Jacks, maybe. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Doug is right. Good call, old guy. That's a really cool reference. I remember back in the day when it was black and white. I remember when we could print in color. You'd get a real rock. We were playing. We were playing. Hey, let's do a little Google search here. What is, when did Crackle, Crackle? Boy, I am fucked today. God, give me some pure. Give me something to do. When did Cracker Jacks start? I think it was in the 1800s. I want to say late 1800s. Bro, it's like World War II or something. Sal is right, 1893. Wow. Oh my God. Well, hold on. Hold on. Where's that? Where's that? We're keeping track here, right? Oh my God. Yeah, make sure you put that above my head. Inflated numbers. Yeah, I knew that because it's an old ass cereal. Wow. And then now when it started, Doug, did it come out the gates with the little toy and the, remember they did tattoos in there? Oh, I remember the fake tattoos. Yeah, that's what that, that's, I remember that and they're more than anything else. I know they did other things too. Well, I know baseball cards would give you gum that would cut your face. Yeah, but that is go back to 1800s. Baseball cards have been around a long time. Not before 1800s. They were put in temporary in 1900s. Let's see, Doug. So they started adding toys in 1912. Wow. Wow. And then, when was gum in baseball cards? Or just baseball cards in general. I'd like to know when the first ones were sold. I want to say it was... No, it was 19 something. It was it? Yeah. Okay. Or then you had the Bazooka Joe where you had the common professional baseball before that. Really? Yeah. God, if I know more about baseball than you right here, this will be terrible. 18, 1886. Wow, that's embarrassing, Adam. And now I have to fucking fact check who Doug is. That is not true. With the sports ball... By the way, that's why I have this jersey right here. When did professional... When? At least, guys. He's going to go... I got to fact check Doug here. You think Doug's on my... I'm going to slip him a 10 afterwards? Hey, Doug, anytime I have you fact check... Oh, you're fucking 1869. You must be using Yahoo. Wow. I did not know that. 1869. Yeah, I'm seeing different numbers here. Yeah, no, I'm... It's America's pastime. Yeah. Oh, you know what? The major league baseball started in 1903. That's why. Okay. I concede. Wow, I didn't know that. So, okay, now when did the gum in baseball cards were what? Well, before we get there, MLB was started in 1869 in Cincinnati, Ohio. Yeah. So, I got 1903. Wasn't that the Reds? Cincinnati Reds. Yeah, these two bees. I'm going to stop on your head. Just quit while you're head right now. You want a sports bag. Wasn't it the Cincinnati Bumblebees? Wasn't that the name of the... We had all everything, so... 100 subscribers. All the teams were racist names back then, though, so who knows. Okay, so tops baseball cards added chewing gum back in 1938. Wow. So, Cracker Jacks was first. Doug was like 35 back then. So, Cracker Jacks was the first one to do that. Well, the bubble gum in baseball cards, and I'm going to tell you something. Nobody know... People watching this now, unless you're as old as we are, you have no idea. It was harder than the cards themselves. It was crunchy, sharp. You bite it and be like, be careful. You'd have to chew it for a second before the saliva mix... And the flavor was gone in 30 seconds. 30 seconds. I got to correct myself here. So, Tops was also a chewing gum company. So, they started back in 1938, and they actually started selling baseball card packs with a stick of gum included in 1951. What a... That's brilliant. I didn't know that. So, was Tops the first baseball card company? No, I believe so. Call me Mr. Google. So, I remember... So, these are the baseball card companies. Can I also buy baseball cards? Score, Upper Deck. Score, Upper Deck, Don Russ. Yeah, those came later. Tops, and then... What was the one that everybody... Fleer. Wasn't there one that everybody was like, this is the expensive one? Upper Deck. Was it Upper Deck? Yeah, Upper Deck was the expensive card. Upper Deck, by the way, a great prank you could pull on your friend. Looked that up through an Upper Deck. So, the oldest company was Peck and Snyder back in 1868. Do you wonder why they didn't succeed? Snyder. Mr. Peck. Have you guys... Are you guys watching that market, by the way? It's every market. No, you said it is like... It is insane. Bro, literally... I have grown-ass friends that are in their 40s that are waiting in target lines on Tuesdays. Yeah. Can you... How can you tell me that we're not in a bubble without telling me we're in a bubble? I know. I can literally take money. You can name 85 markets and I could just throw it at it. Grown men not going to work for the day so they can wait in target line to buy baseball cards. Just tell me, can Groovy Jr.'s Upper Deck rookie cards finally worth something? No. Do you have that? No. It's still not... It's not because they... You know what happened? It's kind of them. That's okay. So, that's what crashed. And there's a good... I think it was a Netflix documentary on the whole evolution of baseball cards and then the market and then the crashing of it. And what happened was baseball cards got greedy. Could these companies were making so much money? Can Groovy Jr. about the example of that? So, what you're saying is they printed so many. It inflated the circulation of them. That's lowering the value. Exactly. Wow. That sounds like... So, now... Some other shit that they're doing. So, now why it is... They learn from that. That's what crashed the market. So, cards now that are being made are very limited. And so, that's what's part of what's driving this... The price up to them. So, I have two cards that I think are worth money. I have Troy Aikman's rookie card, score. And then Barry Sanders' rookie card, score. Doug can look it up. Yeah. So, maybe someone... Main condition? Yeah. I mean, I think they're made... Put your ass to work today, Doug. I put them in the hard plastic case, you know? That you press them together and you put them... So, what you have to do now is you have to send them in to get them graded. So, if you really want to make any money off of them or them to be worth anything in the future, you have to go get them professionally graded. And they'll actually seal them themselves and they'll give you a score. And right now, good money is only being paid for like 10 mint. Perfect. A perfect card, which is rare. Sorry. So, they already limit the amount of the, you know... Oh, shit! I have that exact card. Look at that. $1,500. Yeah. And so, that was $0.87 here. So, okay. So, here's the thing which you've got to pay attention to though. See how there's one for $2? So, the one that's really expensive, if Doug clicked on it, you'll see how that's up in the top. It'll be like super... That's the grading system. And so, I guarantee you that's like a 10 mint. And the likelihood that you... There, see PSA-10. See it says PSA-10? That's why it's worth so much money. It's not only in his rookie card, but it's in perfect condition. You could have like a 7 and that card's worth more than anything. Wow. Well, I'm not... I don't plan on selling it. I know. You don't care. I'm giving it to my... But you see how that's all... See how the top is like that? Yeah. Has a barcode? I mean, I gotta go look at them because from what I recall, it's pretty damn good. Well, it's cheap to have that done and it's worth doing that. Doug, look up Barry Sanders' rookie card score. I want to see how much... That's the other one that I have. That's worth a lot. What a random two cards you have. Just turned into antique road shows. How did you get those? How did I get... I used to buy... I used to collect. So I did have baseball cards, football cards, and stamps. How weird is that that you collected something you don't even watch? Huh? I watched it for a second. You know? I did. I watched it in his bike. Dude, just... Okay, come on. Let me hear it. Let me hear it. How did watching... Wow. Look at Barry Sanders. Look at that one. $1,500 also. Yeah, but look at the description. Holy shit, $35,000. That can't be right. Of course it's right. But it's also looking... Yes, who's going to go check this shit out when it goes home today? See, okay, look at it. See, that one says $9.5, $5.49 for the same card to $35,000. That's how much that makes a difference. So a $9.5 card. Please, God, let my shit be minty. Right. Minty. Minty, minty. What about signed balls? I got the A's World Series. The entire team signed that. Yeah, that could go up there, too. The whole team was on the ball. I want to get back to how you started watching football for a second. Where in your life were you? Late 80s. I was a young kid. So what did it? What sparked it? What makes Nerdy Sal, who's reading encyclopedias every day, go, you know, I'm going to watch some football. Because in the neighborhood, in my neighborhood, when I would hang out with the kids in the neighborhood, there were two things that we did. One is I owned a pair of boxing gloves, and I also owned gloves that full backs and running backs would wear. You know the ones that they cover their hands with? Yeah. That kind of looked like MMA gloves. And we would fight each other. So this was one thing that we did. And I was the neighborhood champion. I used to knock people out. Really? Yeah, I swear to God. And the other thing that we would do is we'd get together and we would play street football. Andrew's looking at me. He says, believe this story. Those are true. Hey, hey, look at me. Look at it. If you knew me in the neighborhood, you hit DM. DM Adam. Let him know what time it was. So no, that's a true story. I swear to God. So we'd do that. We'd all get together and we'd do these big fights. And then we'd also play street football, which was basically two hand touch or if it got aggressive, we'd tackle each other in the street. And we would play so for a second. And then of course, the 49ers in the 80s were so dominant, it was hard not to be a Bay Area kid and not get caught up in it. So I was like, Roger Craig and Joe Montana and Jerry Rice and Rathman, all those guys. And then what's the name? Bubba Parris who played for the 49ers. His son went to school with us. You watched during that time, which is a great time to be watching. And would hook most people. What made it fall out of favor for you? Why didn't you keep watching? I started lifting weights, dude. And I got into it. Yeah, I loved weights. And then UFC, I watched the first UFC with my dad. So I've always liked martial arts grappling especially and lifting weights. And oh, here's the other thing. I played, I told my mom, I wanted to try tackle football. I think I was in eighth grade. I think so. And I'd never played real tackle football before. And I went to two practices and the coaches fucked us up. Bad. And I remember being like, I don't want to do this anymore. Castle it immediately. This is too much. This is not fun. I don't know what's going on. I had a bad experience. I had my opposite reaction to that. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. Ooh, I love this. Fucking slam myself in my head into everybody. Oh, no, dude. They beat the shit out of us. And I mean, we didn't even tackle each other. We were just, I was throwing up. And the coaches were like, keep going. I'm like, this is not healthy? Bro, this coach used to go around and pull the hairs out of my legs as I'm trying to get in stance. And we'd never were allowed water. And then they would just put us in a bull and a ring like as much as possible where you just go head to head and just smash and jump. And you loved it. I loved it. So much hate and anger in his life. It's good. I was loved. So I didn't like it. Justin's like, I can hurt people. I can hurt people. And you'll tell me a good job for it. Yeah. You can let out the darkness. It's fun. Look, here's the deal. You eat a healthy diet. Maybe we eat a high protein diet because you want to build muscle or you want to help keep your appetite down. That's what protein does. Maybe you're bulking trying to speed up your metabolism. But you have digestive issues. You're having issues breaking this food down and assimilating. Well, one thing you can try are digestive enzymes, but not just any digestive enzymes. You want to get digestive enzymes from a company that understands fitness and health and performance-minded individuals. This is why we partnered with Mass Designs. They make digestive enzymes for fitness and performance-minded individuals. It's the only digestive enzymes that I use for when I eat food for my gut issues and it makes a big difference. Go check them out. Head over to masszymes.com. That's M-A-S-S-Z-Y-M-E-S.com forward slash mind pump. And then use the code MINEDPUMP10 for 10% off. All right. Here comes the rest of the show. Our first caller is Mark from New Jersey. Mark, what's up, man? How can we help you? Hey, guys. So I've been working out and playing competitive sports probably for over 20 years now. And I'm finding that it takes a bit longer to recover. And I'm looking at different schemes, methodologies to actually get to the point where I can keep doing what I'm doing without feeling like I did 1,000 deadlifts the day after I play a soccer game. So I've been looking into... One of the things I looked into was Doug Brignoli's workout plan where it's mostly like it's pure isolation. And I'm just wondering what you guys... I know it's leaving a lot on the table as far as CNS signaling and stuff like that, but I'm wondering what you guys think about that as like a kind of a prehab rehab kind of thing. Yeah. Okay. So that's a good question. All right. So first and foremost, there are corrective type exercises that are used to connect to certain muscles that you may have issues firing or connecting to during certain movements. Physical therapists use movements like this all the time. They're not traditionally the bodybuilder isolation movements, but they are isolation movements nonetheless. And in that particular application, there's some value, but the goal is not to stay in there, but rather to use those movements as a way to get the person to move better in more complex movements because everyday life involves lots of complex movements and very little kind of single joint isolation type movements. Now, the guy you're referring to, I'm familiar with, and his approach is somewhat like this. I go to the doctor and I say, hey doc, my knees bother me when I squat. And so the doctor says, oh, don't squat anymore. Or I say, hey doc, my knees, you know, my ankles bother me when I walk a lot. And the doctor says, yeah, yeah, don't walk a lot anymore and it'll stop hurting. Now part of that's true. You stop doing what's bothering you and you'll start to feel better, but here's the problem with that. You start to lose the ability to do the other stuff and you're not addressing really the root cause. The root cause of a lot of these issues isn't necessarily the exercise, like squats or deadlifts, but rather the improper application or lack of connection, lack of mobility, your inability to stabilize or maybe your inability to recover because it's too much intensity in combination with all the other stuff that you're doing. So nothing necessarily wrong with this approach, but it's definitely going to result in you losing the ability to do what you can probably do right now or just going further down that path. So I don't think isolation movements are key. Complex movements are, you just got to be able to do them right and you have to address the issues that are preventing you from doing them properly and then apply them properly. You might just be applying too much intensity in the context of your overall lifestyle. I'm always torn with questions like this and this approach. Like I don't necessarily disagree with his philosophy on training because I think there's a majority of people that don't know how to apply intensity, correctly, to your point, Sal. And so a safer, easier way to do that is let's just focus on isolation movements and it's more control. It is and it's a lot easier not to overdo it and hurt yourself because it's an isolation exercise versus something that's like a big compound movement. That being said, I think that there's tremendous value in training these compound lifts but just understanding that where you're at in your life. Like the way I train a compound lift even today just at 40 and I'm not 50, right? So I approach it different than what I just did 10 years ago. 10 years ago, I was so infatuated with how much more weight can I put on my back where when I squat today, I care more about the movement. You know, how does it feel as I go through the squat and that load could be 100 plus pounds less than what I was doing just five, 10 years ago? Now do I look at it and go, oh my God, I'm so much weaker than I was before? Like no, it's not like that. Just I have different goals in my life. I'm older, I'm a father now. I'm not trying to prove anything to anybody. I've already built the best physique I could probably ever build on my body. Like I'm just not at that place in my life anymore. But I, and I don't want to lose the skill of being able to squat, ass to grass or deadlift good amount of weight. But I also don't need to lift the most in the room anymore either. So my approach towards those movements is just different. I just, I look at it like the skill of the movement and if it's off at all or I feel like it's wearing on my body, that's always a great indicator that okay, I'm not addressing mobility in my hips or oh, I need to work on my ankle mobility more. And I use squatting and deadlifting overhead pressing these movements as great, in fact, yesterday I was, I hadn't done a barbell overhead press in literally maybe a month. And it was actually really hard for me to extend my arms all the way over my head. And I was doing a 45, just the bar. Even though I've shoulder pressed 225 over my head, I don't care about that right now. What I noticed was, oh wow, my lats are really tight. I have a hard time fully extending right now. And now it's an indicator for me to go back, use my Maps Prime Pro program and address some of my immobility in some of my shoulder and potentially tightness in my lats. And so I use these compound lifts today to be a gauge of improving my movement, not so much how much can I hammer the body. And so that's my one thing I don't like about programs that decide to just dismiss these movements that are fundamental. Yeah, I want to add something too. In terms of the isolation movements, it's a great helpful tool for coaches to be able to identify a disconnect. So if there's a muscular disconnect there, if there's a lagging body part, if there's some kind of a lack of mind-muscle connection, we could sort of microscope, zoom in and see how to address that. And I think it's a very helpful way to kind of bring that back for the overall. But if you stay and you live in that type of methodology, you're going to create more dysfunctions for you. Like think about the overall patterning of movement and how your body is able to organize itself for the overall. You're going to have issues with that when you come back to your sport specifically. So this is one thing that really irritates me is when I see athletes go into this direction of isolated movements and they come back to perform. And there's just so many dysfunctions to deal with and address at that point. Well, there are no isolated movements in sport. In any movement. Compound. Yeah, in any movement. Okay, so here's the, I'll give you an analogy mark. Just kind of illustrate this comparison, this false comparison that certain people will make. So let's say I say, okay, hitting a nail with a rock is far more effective than using a hammer. And you think to yourself like, what? How is that even possible? And then I show you the comparison. On the one hand, we got a person using a rock to hammer the nail. On the other hand, we got someone throwing a hammer at a nail across the room. Well, yeah, in that case, the rock is going to be more effective. If I compare a leg extension to a crappy squat with poor mobility and no connection. Yeah, the leg extension is going to be safer and better than a crappy poor connection, lack of mobility squat. So that that's a false comparison. We got to compare good to good, right? Like a good and I've heard and if I'm not mistaken, maybe correct me if I'm wrong Mark, but Doug Brignoli will refer to like isolation movements as being more efficient than compound lifts or compound lifts are inefficient, right? Well, it's that there's a lot of load that does not go into the target muscle essentially. That's not how the body works. And I get what he's saying in a lab, we can measure that, but it doesn't translate into the real world. There isn't a single serious lifter and any strength sport or even bodybuilding, that's going to say a leg extension is going to build your quads more than any, pick your compound lift, lunges, barbell squats, leg press, hack squat, I don't care. No one's going to, no one's going to say that. We know that we know in practice that the compound lifts just, they just are far more effective. We know when we're comparing apples to apples, but at the end of the day, Mark, what you want to look at is, okay, why are these compound lifts hammering my body so much? Why are they making me feel terrible? It's not the lifts, it's how you're performing them. And it's also, it's how you're applying them, what kind of intensity, your form, your technique and your connection. If you fix those things, you'll get phenomenal results out of those compound lifts. But here's the best part, Mark, the pursuit of fixing those things will also get you amazing results. So it's not like you have to wait for a year before you can do a really good squat or really good deadlift. Your pursuit of getting there is going to still get you phenomenal results. Versus, I only do these isolation exercises, in which case you actually slowly lose your ability to do gross motor movements, because gross motor movements or movement in general involves muscle. Okay, that's true, muscles have to contract, but there's skill involved. There's the way the muscles fire and work together. That's why somebody who lifts a lot of weight in the gym isn't going to feel as strong on the mat as a trained wrestler, right? The wrestler is going to have smaller muscles. Each muscle probably contracts with less force individually than a bodybuilder. But man, when they grab you, they know how to apply it. They know how to use leverage. There's a skill involved. And it feels like they're a lot stronger. Anybody who's ever trained in mixed martial arts will tell you this. So that's what you want to focus on. And there are lots of people in our space who take, what they do is they take this kind of aesthetic-minded bodybuilder mentality. They go extreme with it. And then because they're smart, they can articulate it in a very misguided way. That sounds kind of smart. So the average person listens and goes, wow, that kind of makes sense. It's convincing. And oh, let me look at a picture of the guy. Oh, he's ripped. So maybe he knows what he's talking about, which I'll tell you right now in my space, there's a lot of really ripped-looking people that know nothing about fitness. I don't think it's just that either. I think it also matters what Mark's specific goals are. And I'm assuming that with your athletic background that you don't want to lose that ability to do some of those things, or you at least want to keep it as long as you can. And- Yeah, and definitely. Right. So that's the part I think is the most important of this conversation. Because to be honest, there's nothing wrong. I used to, ironically, I was more of this guy when I was younger, where I used to say, I'm all show no go. I just want to look good. No girls ever asked me how much I benched when I take my shirt off. So that was my mindset as a young kid. But it's different now today. Today I care more about being able to get down, sit down all the way on the ground, and play with my son without feeling like my back is on fire, or my knees or my hips are on fire. So different goals in my life. So that matters here, right? And if you are a guy that likes to move and likes to do active things, and you want to keep that as long as you can, then I definitely would not want you to eliminate certain movements, like a squat, or a deadlift, or overhead press. But I would know this, because I've trained many people like you that have an athletic mindset. And I know that how you do anything is how you do everything. And the one thing I'd probably have to keep reminding you is, Mark, don't get competitive with yourself here. Don't try and keep adding weight to the bar. If you're going to get competitive with anything, get competitive with how well you're moving the bar. Yeah, practice the lifts. Don't train the lifts. Like, think that way. Like, I'm going to go in the gym, and I'm going to practice these movements like you would be practicing a throw or a swing to get really good at them. And then I'll use one more analogy. Again, just to kind of hammer this home. Imagine if you were in a laboratory and the scientist studying you said, okay, here's what we're going to do. You're not going to walk at all for the next three years. We're not going to allow you to walk at all. However, we're going to train all the muscles involved in walking in isolation. So you're going to do calf raises, leg extensions, leg curls, hip abduction, hip adduction. We're going to work all the muscles in isolation, but for three years, you're not going to walk at all. How well do you think you'll walk at the end of that three years? Yeah, it's horrible. And also, I guess, if you follow this origin to insertion theory to the conclusions that have been drawn, you wouldn't lift it. You wouldn't do overhead lifts, which seems very dysfunctional. Again, there's a lot. Like, look at real-world practice. Don't forget that pretty much all movement is a skill that can be learned and forgotten. So it's not just as easy as looking at a muscle, look at contractions. It's not just muscle contraction. There's more to the story here. And I think a better approach would be to, if you need a break from compound lifts and really address any kind of imbalance or dysfunction, go for a while doing lateral training. I was going to ask that. Yeah, focus on that a while. It's really going to highlight a lot of the imbalance and things that will just present itself to you. You'll get better at that. Spend some time there. You bring it back to bilateral compound lifts, and you're going to notice a massive difference. That being said, too, to your point, Justin and Mark, there's nothing wrong with this either. This isn't in either or, or ours or his. It's like, there's nothing wrong with you running an isolated program like this for a small period of time. I would discourage you of getting rid of compound lifts because of one person's philosophy. I definitely don't disagree with, hey, for two or three months, if you want to run all isolation exercises for a while to see how you feel and then to come back to those movements and see, wow, did they get better? Did they get worse? Do I like the way I feel? Do I like the way I look? Do I like what I see happening? Like, I don't see anything wrong with that. I would just discourage any of my clients from completely eliminating these movements in fear of like, oh, there, the movement is what's hurting my back. Yeah, cycling totally makes sense. All right. Well, Mark, thanks for calling in. And do you have access to Maps Prime Pro? Because I feel like that would help you a lot with, regardless of what workout you're doing. Yeah, I went on a spending spree over during your Black Friday sale. So I picked up Prime, Prime Pro and your RGB bundle. Oh, excellent. So yeah, use Prime and Prime Pro. I don't care what workout you're following. You follow Doug. Shut them up in the forum, Doug. And if you're not in our private forum, that's good, Adam. Let's, let's, let's get you in there so we can follow along. Okay, perfect. All right, thanks, Mark. Awesome, thanks, guys. No problem. Yeah, I, uh, boy, does this, it's hard not to get annoyed when I hear stuff like this because... You kind of hear it in our voices a little bit. Well, you know what the problem, you know, it's, the problem is we take very much a lot of pride in what we do in helping people. And we know that this message, there's some truth in it, but we also know how people hear it and then what they end up doing with it. And it's going to do a huge of service. There's an old saying in fitness, which is use it or lose it, right? And it's a, it's this old thing we used to say in the gyms all the time. In fact, when I was younger, I had no idea what the hell it meant. Well, literally what it means is you stop training something, you stop doing something, you lose the ability to do it. Yeah. That's the bottom line. I mean, again, like the example I gave with not walking for a few years, even if all the muscles stay strong and you can contract them independently, you will lose a significant percentage of your ability to walk effectively. And that is, it happens faster the older we get. So the reason why I... Great point. It was so crazy. This was literally yesterday. So great question to address right now because I was actually kind of blown away by how difficult the overhead press was for me last night. I was like, holy shit. Like it's only been like a month. I feel like it's like been a month that I didn't do that movement. But because I don't do anything else that supports that movement to be able to extend fully over my head like that, my body starts to prune it way faster today than what it did when I was in my 20s. And he's in his 50s. So if you just decide I'm not going to overhead press or I'm not going to deadlift or I'm not going to squat, it does not take very long before your body says, hey, we don't need to be able to do this guy. No, you know why? It's because as you get older, efficiency becomes a much more important... Survival. Survival mechanism. 100%. No, and I see that. I saw it last night. You know, I'd constantly get reminded of that. And so this was a great timing for this because I was like, wow, that is crazy. I mean, I was doing the bar. I did not go over the bar. And I'm telling you, I was sweating just to get the full extension stabilized, come back down and blew my mind. Well, this is also, I get irritated because you see a lot of like muscle activation type of testing and you can get some cool data from it, but that's not considering the overall. That's not, it's the same problem I have a lot with health where you see practitioners, they know one specific area of the body, one system so well, but they don't consider how everything is interconnected. And this is just another one of those examples from fitness where you need to consider how everything else is interconnected especially function. Especially a guy like this because your goal does matter here. If he came on and says like, Adam, I don't give it. I don't got kids. I don't give a shit about sports. Yeah, I just want to look good. I just want to look good. And every time I try and work on these squats or try and do these things, I keep running into these issues. You know, maybe that I look at that and go like, look, if you don't really give a shit about not being able to get down to the ground or not being able to do some of those movements and you literally just want to look good. Well, that's, that's an okay approach to do that. You're still going to lose the incredibly profound effects of those exercise on changing how your body looks. Fair, fair. I mean, I definitely think that's fair, but I also think that there's many ways to skin a cat. And if your desired outcome is just to look a certain way, you can achieve that by not doing those movements. But it's like, I don't, when you ask people deeper, and they have to say things like, for example, if you ask me like, well, Adam, do you care if you, you can't lift something over your head ever again? Like, even though I might have said, oh, I just want to look really good. And I think about like, well, I don't want to actually not be able to do that. That's a problem. Our next caller is Aaron from New Hampshire. Aaron, what's happening, man? How can we help you? Hey, what's up, boys? How you doing? Good, good, good, man. Hey, before I jump in my question, I wanted to say that I'll be at the NCI conference in Phoenix next week. So I was really excited to hear that Adam and Sal will be there. Yeah, for sure. Sorry, sorry, Justin's not coming. I know everybody's so sad about that. Nobody wants to hear me talk. Make sure you come up and say hi for sure then. Yeah, absolutely. I will. So just a little bit of context before I jump into my question. I've been training for 10 years and I got into fitness for the same reason as many people, which is that I had some body image issues, which really traced back to middle school when I was overweight. And ever since I got into training, I've been an avid consumer of health content, including mind pumps. So I've listened to you guys since 2016 and I never miss an episode. And I think between the show and the YouTube channel, I think I've probably consumed just about everything that you guys have put out. And I've also run through several of the maps programs. So the past year has actually really been a big turning point for me on my health training. I turned 30 years old and I also had my first kid, which was my son. And with that, I committed to finally overcoming my body image issues and to focusing on performance, which is something that I knew for a long time that I needed, but I've just really been putting it off. And I got maps green and jumped into it and it's really been awesome. I absolutely love it. It's my favorite maps program. And I can frankly say that I'm finally training because I love my body and not because I hate it. And I feel really confident in my physique and everything just feels really good right now. I'm in fitness now for quality of life. I know Sal, you've talked a lot lately about how you're in fitness because of how it helps you at Sal and all the other parts of your life and because it's good for your mental health. And it's really the same way for me at this point. Finally, so I wrote into you guys because I have an interesting new challenge coming up, which is that I'll be having two hip surgeries over the next year. So I'm going to have limited access to my lower body, although obviously I'll be able to do some stuff with my upper body. So I'm just wondering what you guys think I should be focusing on from a training perspective during this time? Yeah, no, that's a good question. You know what's funny is that my answer is going to be different now than it would have been even just 10 years ago. So studies are, there's some interesting studies on this and they've actually done this with people where they'll have one limb immobilized, like the left arm, and then they'll have the right arm not immobilized and they'll have the control group where they don't do anything with both arms and then they'll have the other group will train the arm that they can move to see if it creates a greater discrepancy, if it results in bigger imbalances or whatever. And what they found was when the people trained the arm that wasn't immobilized, it actually prevented some muscle and strength loss from the arm that was mobilized. Now in the past, I would have told someone, don't train the parts of your body that can move because you'll create a bigger imbalance later on. It's harder to fix. That's not true at all. Also, when you aren't able to train your lower body, continue to train the parts of your body that you can, it'll actually prevent some strength and muscle loss in your lower body. And then before that, even more importantly, go into your surgery feeling strong and healthy because you're going to lose some strength and muscle. It's just going to happen. But the stronger you go into it, the fitter and more healthy you go into it, the better the recovery is going to be, the better position you'll be in. And then of course, don't forget about muscle memory. It's a real thing. It's very effective. It's really cool. So once you heal, you'll definitely notice, oh my gosh, I lost a lot of strength and muscle. If you do everything right, it'll come back very quickly. And then finally, creatine, the wonder supplement. They're showing that creatine supplementation results in less muscle and strength loss during recovery from surgeries than when people don't use it. So those will be the three things that I would recommend. Aaron, when did you say, when's the surgery coming up? December 28th. So it's a few weeks away. Oh, okay. So you are coming up close. Yeah, I mean, my advice would not be any different than Sal's. I mean, I really would just, the best thing you can do is to go into it with the most muscle. So staying consistent and building as much as you can, going into that so we can mitigate how much we lose. Creatine will help do that. But yeah, I would not stop. I just continue training my upper body, working core, doing a lot of unilateral stuff. I would do that for my upper body. And then I wouldn't fret about the muscle loss that it's inevitable it's going to happen because it will. It'll come back pretty quick. And I think that's probably the most important part of this conversation is I would actually, I would love to follow up with you after the surgery when it's time to get back into things. Because to me, that will be the most important thing. And the thing that you'll have to be careful of is, we tend to have this tendency, especially when we've been consistently working out, you see you lose this muscle, you start to feel better, and then you can want to get after it right away and you kind of set yourself back. That's very common. So to me, what you do afterwards is even more important than what you continue to do. Why? Because yeah, just do some upper body stuff, continue lifting. That's pretty general advice. But when you get out, how you're feeling, how you're moving, and what we kind of focus on really matters more. That's going to be the hardest work is to be able to control the tendencies of wanting to keep going. Because you felt good. You feel good right now, and you want to get back to that place. However, it may take a bit longer for you to heal and be able to adjust. But to find those thresholds and to kind of slowly kind of work your way in that direction, all of those gains will come back. That's going to be inevitable. Just it's the gradual approach that's going to win you the longevity in your pursuits for maintaining this kind of fitness. Yeah, isometrics are really good, by the way. When you get to the point when you can start moving a little bit, isometrics, they're safe because you're not moving through ranges of motion. They activate muscles. Are you going to have access to a good physical therapist afterwards, Aaron? Yeah, yeah. I'll be doing lots of PT. I've actually been doing PT for about a year and a half with him leading up to the surgery. Oh, good. We do a PT. I also have a lot of equipment at home, a lot of dumbbells. Oh, dude. Sweet. Now, do you have a therapist that comes to your house or do you go to a clinic? No, I know y'all are working with Luna now, but I actually go to an old-school traditional PT. If you want someone to come to your house, if you want to do supplemental physical therapy, and it's super convenient, go to Luna. They'll send someone to your house and they'll work with the current therapist, and I think it's probably going to still be covered by insurance, but I think your therapy is going to be key. A good physical therapist is worth their weight in gold when it comes to this kind of stuff. What are they telling you, Aaron? What's the time frame on that? I don't remember the last client that I trained with hip surgery. What's the time frame on recovery and getting back to things? So between the first and second surgery, there has to be at least four months that pass. He said probably somewhere between four to six months, and I'll probably be on crutches for about a month after each of them. It's not as severe as a hip replacement because it's a bereavement, but probably about a month on crutches. Okay. Yeah, I think you're going to be okay, but the struggle is going to be mental. That's going to be the big struggle. It's the in-between aspect and stuff, but you'll bounce back quickly if you do everything right, and you sound like you're going into it pretty fit. So I think if anybody has chances of a really good full recovery, it's going to be someone like you. And I know that this isn't advice related to really muscle and fat loss and movement, but when I have situations that obviously I've never had hip surgery, but I've definitely had knee surgery and I've torn my achilles and I've been basically locked down from doing some physical stuff, I always like to find another area in my life to put my energy and focus on it with growth related. So that could be a lot of things. It could be diving into your relationship or to family stuff. It could be reading, but find an area of growth that you're not limited to by your legs and your movement to focus your energy on it so you don't get discouraged by what you can't do. And to me, that's always been able to get me out of these places where I'm incapable of doing something or I'm limited because of something that I can't control. And then I use that opportunity like, well, I can't do any of my leg stuff right now and instead of dwelling on that I'm like, well, that opens the door for me where I would be training my legs at least two hours out of a week, now I'm going to read instead or I'm going to do something else that's going to grow me somewhere else in my life and I think that does tremendous things for your overall health. So Adam, is there anything in specific in the library that you'd recommend? Ooh, what are you into right now? Obviously, you're into fitness, I get that but that's boring for me to read. So what do you also are you into or is there stuff that you're into with like investing and finance or personal growth? Like, where's your head at? Oh yeah, all of that. I'm also a marketing professor so I do a lot of business books about personal growth, finance, relationships, anything like that. Okay, have you read the book Sway before? No. Check that out. So since you're into marketing and you like that, check the book Sway out. That was a fun read for me. Long time ago, I forget the author. Maybe a Doug will pull it up and then you'll catch a clip of it after we post this up. But start there and then hey, message me. People message me all the time about what they're reading and give me, I love to talk to people about what they're currently reading and give suggestions. So I do have plenty of suggestions especially if you send me like over like three books that you really like. Normally one of them maybe I've read or I'm familiar with them and I can give a good recommendation to something related to that. Awesome, Sway, I got it. All right, man, cool. Thanks for calling in. I appreciate you guys. Thank you so much. Take it easy. Thank you. Yeah, you know, this makes me, I think back to the last like major issue I had physical was when I had shoulder surgery. I had my AC joint resected and I remember the doctor gave, I don't remember what the time frame was, but they told me something like you can't work out for something like eight weeks or something like that. And the challenge is this, is that as a fitness professional, you have a better pulse on how your body's moving and what you can and can't do. But then the flip side is your tendencies to want to push it. Oh yeah. But I'm very, I was very proud of how I handled it. I remember I went to the doctor for one of my first or second follow up appointments and he said, you know, can you lift your arm up a little bit? And I went all the way up and he looked at me like, what the hell? And I said, well, I'm a trainer. I know correctional exercise. I've been working on my own and the doctor was blown away and then he said, you know, it's funny, Sally goes, we give these like time frames for how long you need to be off, you know, your legs or how long you need to not lift anything over 25 pounds to the average person. It doesn't do what you do to keep them safe. He goes, but it's obvious you can move things a lot faster when you had to know how to apply the right exercises and techniques. Yeah, it's pretty remarkable when you put the work in and you go into something like that or even like, you know, pregnancy for instance, like how quick the rebound is when, you know, your body has that kind of muscle memory and it has that work already established, it remembers and you're able to kind of really rebound quickly. Yeah, my mind's still on the book thing. Doug, what was the name of the book you and I read last year, A Story Brand? Was that? Oh yeah, how to build a story brand, I believe. How to build? I think it's just called A Story Brand. It's called building a story brand. Building a story brand. That's another one, Aaron. So if you listen to this afterwards when we publish that's another good read for your field and what you're into. You could recommend that book that you're on the cover of, Adam. Stupid. Crazy. Well, seriously though, again, I know it's not related to muscle and movement and stuff like that. No, I thought that was great advice. Yeah, I just think that, you know, a lot of times we get so focused on what we can't do when it's related to a lot of things in life, not just working out in fitness and when you're going through something like this where... Especially if you love fitness. Yeah, right. It becomes an identity of those. In his case, he has just a lot of momentum in this direction and his pursuit of health and in getting shape and he's probably feeling really good. It can be very discouraging. You feel like you're in the doldrum. I've dealt with this quite a bit with athletes, especially too where they get injury and it's just detrimental because your mind, it just starts spinning and it's like, what I can't do, what I can't do, what I can't do, what can you do? Right. And I love that because it's like, yeah, let's refocus that and let's work on ourselves. There's more aspects to life than just this. 100%. Our next color is Brenda from Michigan. Brenda, how can we help you? So I'm going to try to keep it short. I just had a baby about seven months ago but I am in the military and thankfully they changed the standards that we now have a year to get back to where we were. It used to be six months. I'm just struggling a bit. I kind of lost all of my strength, all of my endurance, everything I worked hard for. So I'm starting back from zero and I'm trying to do everything at once which is lose the weight, get my pull-ups up and get my run time down. And it's just a lot in like, I have five months left. So I was just hoping I could get some advice on how I don't want to push it because my issue is I'll push it and then I'll just quit because my body, my body breaks down. Like it gets tired, obviously. And that's just kind of what I'm struggling with is how to do it all at once without breaking down. Okay. Well, Brenda, are you breastfeeding at the moment? Are you still or are you done? Not anymore. Not anymore, no. All right, that's good because it gets a little more challenging when we're talking about fat loss while breastfeeding. Well, here's the good news. Losing weight might make it harder to get a heavier deadlift or a squat but it actually makes pull-ups and running faster easier. So all of your goals don't actually conflict. They actually help each other out a little bit. The weight loss is going to come from diet. I don't want you to try to exercise the weight loss because that's going to be a losing, that's going to be a totally losing approach. Now, as far as getting better at all of those things that you're doing, you want to do the minimal amount of work to see results because then you can move from there. So what you don't want to do is do as much as you possibly can and see if you can recover from it but rather do enough to get the improvement to start happening and then once you start to see the improvement and it starts to happen, you feel good, then you can add a little bit more. So my next question is what does your routine look like now? So right now I work out about five days a week. That's pretty much the most I can do. I try to fit in a sixth or seventh in there but it's just not practical with the baby. I'm kind of alone right now. My husband works somewhere else. So I work, I work out five days a week for about an hour. I do weightlifting every day, all those five days and then I do some form of cardio for 15 minutes. I try not to run that often because I know my body and I've had two knee surgeries before. So I try to limit right running and I've been doing the rower. So pretty much that's where I'm at. Okay. Well, don't forget I think because you have this written up here so I want the audience to hear this. You need to be able to do three miles sub 30 minutes. You need to also be able to do a minimum of three pull-ups and then you also need to be able to do a minute 10 plank. Correct. Okay. So this is important because this is you obviously have to the way where you're getting back in shape is being measured is by these things, correct? There's nothing else that you have to do physically to prove that you're back in the shape. Correct. And those are all the minimums. So as obviously I'd like to do more than that because that's your baseline score, which isn't very good score. Right. So since yeah, since you have something very specific like this, we should build your training routine geared around that. So, but that doesn't mean that you should be like, for example, the three mile 30 minute run. I definitely wouldn't have you do that every day or even three times a week. I'd have one day a week where you're challenging that and then maybe shorter bouts, maybe two other times in the week, but you definitely want to build your routine around the pull ups, the planks and this ability to run. So I don't know if I would want you to not run whatsoever because you're going to be challenged that way. Yes, rowing will give you some cardio endurance and help some carry over to that. But you could take, we've talked about this before, you could take somebody who is an incredible swimmer and someone and they've been swimming their whole life and you can have somebody who is an incredible runner. You flip flop them and they would be, they wouldn't perform as well even though they both have great cardiovascular endurance just because their body has not adapted to that specific modality. So we do and I think five days of weight training is a lot. I think you could get a lot done in two to three days of lifting and then the rest of the time and focus I would be put around these three skills that you need. Practice those things. How many pull ups can you do now? I'm at one now. Okay. So do you have space in your home for a pull up bar? Yes. Okay. So put the pull up bar up, get a resistance band, tie it around the pull up bar so you can use it to give you assistance and I would practice one pull up, I don't know, five times a day throughout the day where you step on the band so it helps you so it's not like a hard one pull up. It's kind of a moderate one pull up and you just practice that throughout the day. Planks, how long can you plank for now? I'm at a minute 25 right now. Oh, so you already beat that, right? Yeah. Yeah, so I mean, if you if you want, you could practice that same way 30 seconds. So you do like a 30 second plank a few times a day. Those two things right there will get way better just from doing that practice. The run, I think Adam gave you great advice. You could practice once a week for the three mile run and then do a couple shorter runs and then maybe one or two days a week of full body traditional resistance training. And on those days, you don't need to do the practicing of the pull ups in the plank. Those days is just the resistance training. And I think you'll see some pretty rapid results that way. Yeah, I mean, I agree with the protocol they're presenting in terms of like also keeping because that is like a specific goal you need to consider. But, you know, trying to kind of ease ease up on trying to take every tackle everything at once, especially in the beginning, really just focusing on your strength training two to three times a week, you know, is the major focus there is to get your body back in strong and resilient. You know, the cardiovascular adaptation is going to come naturally as you start to kind of ramp it up there towards your five month sort of goal there. So I would definitely try to taper that in the beginning and start, you know, adding to that in terms of intensity and then go from there. But really the strength should be the focus and like Sal said with having a pull up bar there just continually practice that as frequently as possible. Yeah, you're not training it or you're practicing it. You just go, you just hop up on the pull up bar when you walk by put the strap in your foot do one and it's like moderately hard if you if you wanted to you could probably do five. That's it. And then you just get down and just just practice it and you'll see the strength will go up very quickly with that particular movement. And to be more specific with the running since you mentioned that you've felt your body break down before part of why you probably feel that way is trying to run three miles or more as fast as you can in addition to strength training four to five times a week. If you pull back on the weight training so you're not pushing so hard there and you also scale back on the distance that you're running I think a lot. So it would for me it would look something like this if I was coaching you you would do one to two days we're just mile runs when we do the mile run we're trying to obviously improve your time every time that you do that one time a week you would do a mile and a half also trying to continually improve that mile and a half time week over week and then the only one day a week will we actually test at the max distance which would be the three miles and then you're trying to slowly improve that and that's all I would need you to do and you would be surprised how how fast your body would acclimate to that and get good at it and then the practicing like the guy said with training but if you're if you are feeling like your body is breaking down that's your a clear indication you're just you're overdoing it you don't need to do that there is like a program that's somewhat similar we don't really highlight very often which is our OCR program does you know focus specifically on grip training but also pull ups and distance running and so there is a bit of a protocol in there to try and like meet this timed run but so that's something too if it's not it's not as quite as specific as like what you need in terms of like what your standards are but it would be something complimentary to that for sure it's pretty intense though I would definitely work up to it yeah work up to that you know what Brenda do you have maps prime pro I don't all right we'll send that to you because you talked about your knees hurting you you probably have some mobility issues in your hips or ankles that can help fix that particular issue so that you could start running so we'll send that over to you okay and you know what Justin mentioned OCR we'll send that to you as well I wouldn't jump into that though until you're okay you're feeling good and strong or just peel just pull out a one day out of it yeah you don't you don't need to follow the whole protocol I know we're just modify it yeah Justin is alluding to that because of the pull ups that we we program in there and they're running so I would I would look at that as far as the programming and how we set that up right and use some of that guidance and then maybe one day a week you can follow one of the foundational training days in there and that will benefit you but I wouldn't actually to Sal's point follow the whole program to a tee because it's a little bit more than what you you probably need right now but you could probably get some value from it so we'll send that to you too thank you very much thank you thanks Brenda you know it's this is a common theme obviously but it's so how many times have you guys experienced this you do less you get better results results finally come yeah and it's always every time that happens to him I'm always like ah obviously right but it's such a hard switch to make mentally because usually it doesn't compute yeah well usually doing more and working harder equals better yeah right it's usually not the opposite but in often in many cases especially with people who like Brenda who are working so hard and you have this specific goal oftentimes that's what needs to happen especially when you're you know she's weight training five days a week and then also running so much they're so conflicting yeah you know so she'd be far better off doing mobility three four days a week and only strength training once and then focusing on the run if she wants to get good at the run but the reason why she feels the body breaking down all the time is she's probably sore and tight and in mobile from all the strength training and not addressing mobility and then she goes out and goes for a run for three miles or like that and the body just says FU that doesn't feel good and so then it probably sets her back so there's definitely a way to scale up to this to be able to do all that got to consider the recovery process our next caller is Isaiah from Arizona Isaiah how can we help you hey guys thanks for accepting my call this is super awesome and I appreciate what you guys do and the content you guys put out so I had to say that like everyone else does so to help set up the question I am currently a personal trainer I'm very new I started this year in June and the gym that I'm working at the amount of time that they give us trainers to work with our clients is 30 minutes and I felt like that is a pretty short amount of time to kind of figure out what kind of program I want to run for them and what kind of exercises I should include since it's only 30 minutes I have to work with listening to you guys I've really understood the value of making sure you do compound lifts and just the benefits that those offer especially when the client's goals or weight loss or muscle gain so I've been trying to really incorporate those but I feel like they take up a lot of the time that we're given as trainers at the gym I work at and maybe that's still okay but I feel like I'm having a hard time figuring out how to program my workout for my clients for only 30 minutes I love this question do you guys remember it was actually the very beginning of the podcast I don't think we've talked about this in a long time we talked about this remember we talked about like if we only had 30 minutes to train a client like how would how would we address that and this similar challenge was that you know because I get it like a squatting session could literally take 30 minutes by itself yeah totally so obviously the first thing is everybody is an individual and this this answer that I'm going to give you would be different based on the client and this is where your skill sets will evolve you'll have to learn to modify and adjust based on the person their goals their needs their their inabilities and so forth but I do think there's there is nothing wrong with an entire 30 minute session being dedicated to improving the squat and so I would actually convince my client that came in that like today we are going to work on the skill of squatting because it's so and I would sell them on why I want to do this because of how beneficial it is for building muscle for burning body fat for overall function like we want to get good at this and so the whole session would be around you know these priming and mobility movements and then we would squat then we do prime and mobility movements and then we would squat and just trying to get them good at and that would be like one of the training sessions and then maybe the next day I see him it's overhead press and bench press or something like maybe I can get two lifts done but don't be afraid to do one or two like full body movements like the squat a deadlift over standing overhead press these movements are so fundamental and beneficial to the client that just because you didn't do seven exercises listen you could do seven exercises right in a workout for somebody and it'd be less effective than one and that and I think that's the hardest part for some people to understand is like you know you could you could have someone do machine bicep curls tricep push downs lateral raises you know cable rows and maybe something else and I would tell you that I could take that same person and do just one squat session with them and they will get more bang for their buck as far as burning fat building muscle overall movement overall health like so don't be afraid to to have a session that's completely dedicated to a movement yeah 100% agree I mean simplicity here is key because I mean it's so nuanced there's so many different like cues so many different things you can you know peer into it actually they get a lot of value out of that and you have to consider each person individually like what's their biggest need like what can I really hyper focus in on and educate them and build them you know a routine that's going to last them a long lifetime and so this is something too like in considering you know each joints function and and and really like hyper focusing in on that and like alleviating pain or any kind of restriction of the body you know we could just do a session mobility wise where I could really like teach them tricks and and ways to you know place their body in positions where it's going to alleviate a lot of that it's going to open up new ranges of motion it's something that they can apply at home I'm giving them skills to then apply at home and practice practice practice we come back you know we move on and we go to something else like maybe a compound lift or something that has a little bit more you know involvement in terms of difficulty so you know there's a whole scale with that like it's just you got to look at it is like how can I sort of you know compartmentalize what I would normally do with a long session with somebody and and really just you know add as much value by hyper focusing on and educating this this client yeah Isaiah you know your clients so I would do I would spend that 30 minutes on the stuff that they need you the most for yeah I mean so it may be overhead press and row it might be mobility it might be you know correctional exercise I mean it depends on the client so and now here's what I would do if I was in your situation so one of the thing one of the one of the reasons why I ended up opening up my own studio was because I hated being limited by the big box jams they tell me what I can and can't do used to know the shit out of me so I opened up my own studio so I could do whatever I wanted but in the meantime you're in this facility you're limited by time so you got to figure out a way to work around it here's what I would do if I were you I would do what the client needs me to do the most in that 30 minutes and then I would say John here's the rest of your workout go do that in the gym I'm going to be training Susie over here if you have a question just come over here and ask me real quick or I'll keep an eye you know I'll keep an eye through the corner of my eye and if something really happens then I'll shout across the gym and the clients won't mind you know in between sets I'll answer your question or I can kind of watch a little bit or I know you're doing the exercise I told you but focus most of the all that 30 minutes is what you think the client needs you most for so look at all the exercise all the stuff you want to do and say okay what do I feel most comfortable this client doing on their own and what do they really need me the most for sometimes it's the exercises that they need the most cues for sometimes it's the exercises they won't do alone so oftentimes it was like I'm going to do these exercises with my client because they're not going to do it on their own like they may need me they may need my help with the squat but I know they'll go squat on their own but I know this guy ain't going to do mobility so guess what I'm going to do for 30 minutes with this person just mobility so this is where the coaching and training aspects where your expertise comes into play those limitations already on my head is in the direction of like how many times can I schedule them a week like how can I fill the schedule up and because it's going to be a value to them I'm going to keep teaching them if I have the short brief moment of time with them if I can have them as frequently as possible run through all these sessions you know I'm going to be able to establish some kind of routine that they can stick with I did what do you what is this a big box like gym chain that you work at I mean it's called mountain side fitness so I don't know how big that is I know it's I know it's pretty big in the area that I'm in okay do they allow you to train a client two sessions back to back by any chance yeah and I've done that it's just not every client has the time to do that but I have done our sessions yeah that's okay that's that's what I was going to say so you know if I had a client that I'm like well you know here's the deal in this 30 minutes I'm going to focus on the stuff you really need me for but I'm going to be honest with you you also need me for other stuff as well I think you need to work on me for an hour I mean you know you're the you're look you're the you're the expert right you make the recommendations and you take it from then you give them an option option one I'm training you for 30 minutes I'm going to focus on the stuff you really need me for but then that means that there's a other stuff that you kind of need me for but you got to do on your own or option two I'm your trainer that's it everything you do in the gym you do with me and I can tell you that you're going to get the best results and I can guarantee that you're going to be in the best hands doing it that way as well well this also highlights the exception to the rule right that we make sometimes we talk about on the show all time the benefits of free weights and that you know isolation exercises are like inferior to you know compound movements and stuff like that but here's an example of where I would use a lot of machines and real basic movements is I would go okay like Sal is saying I'm going to focus on the thing that they need me the most for those 30 minutes and then I'm going to prescribe the rest of them and I'm going to prescribe things that may not be as good right so I know that a barbell bench press is superior to a machine cable fly or machine press right I know that but maybe I'm limited to the time and I know there's other things that I could help them out even more so for the time being I might I might squat with them for that 30 minutes and then tell them I want you to use the machine press here and this tricep pushdown machine here and this bicep curl machine here and then this lateral machine here and that's what you're going to do after you and I squat together or this is what I want you to do tomorrow when you don't see me so I would use these these these exercises that we typically would say are inferior to other barbell dumbbell movements because I'm limited to how much time I can support this client or you might have a client who actually once you show them one time they do have pretty good form and you can trust them to go do you know dumbbell skull crusher or they do pick up bench press and so you can prescribe that but I think the answer is going to be is pretty much the same from all of us is you as a trainer need to figure out what you know if you looked at the perfect program where you weren't limited by time where are the areas that they will need you the most and that's where you focus your time and then the rest you you prescribe and tell them to do on their own that's perfect yeah that was my thought process and I figured you guys would also say the same thing so my thought process was if I own if I only have 30 minutes of them the best thing I can do for them is to provide the best service I can in that 30 minutes and I've really learned how valuable the compound lifts are so I've been starting out my sessions with those lifts squats deadlifts bench press because I feel like those are going to give them the most benefit and some some of those lifts you really need help doing that like you obviously need a spot when it comes to bench or to watch form when you squat so I've been really focusing my sessions on those and sometimes they take up half of the time sometimes they take up the whole time like in a five by five squats like 30 minutes goes by pretty quick right and and they haven't complained that it's boring or that they're not having fun they're seeing good progress and they're they're getting good results so I just figured I would get some validation from you guys yeah let me interrupt too okay this is a and also I don't think you're making this mistake but be aware of this one a mistake that a lot of new trainers make is they discreet they completely forget human behavior what your client needs you the most for sometimes is what you think they need the most and sometimes it's just you know like I said earlier like I got a client who definitely benefit from me doing lots of you know squats with them but I also know that they're going to do some form of squats on their own but the one thing that they always avoid is mobility work so guess what I'm going to do for 30 minutes with that person mobility work right so you got to think like that what does the client need the most from me and what is going to benefit them them the most do that in the 30 minutes so sometimes it's going to be the compound lifts sometimes it's going to be the stuff that the client won't do on their own even though they know how to and they can they just don't get on their own so that's what you and when you and when you have multiple things that you're trying to address like is maybe you're here in sour and you know shit man they really need me for squat they really need me for dead lift they really knew so there's nothing wrong with you doing this like and and by the way the more you you you plan this out and share with your clients the better your resigns will be so they see that you have this long-term plan and you might say hey I'm limited only 30 minutes with you so this month what I'm going to do is every 30 minute session is going to be different and I'm going to go over what I think are the 12 most important movements I want you to do and so every every workout is different for an entire month and then they practice on the right that's right and then they practice on their own and and then you focus on maybe just a couple at a time does that make sense like so there's and I tell you like talk about setting up resigns is a great way to set up your resign because they see that you have this long old plan laid out for them tremendous value you're going to get tons of value in your coaching value and what might end up happening and I guarantee this will happen to you if you do a good job of this many of them like man this this one day or two day a week 30 minute things just not enough for me can we do more I love it I want to do more of it right and so that's another way to to lay this out is to you know plan it out weeks or months in advance of everything you're going to be covering with them and then you'll be asking to do some of the things on their own got it yeah very helpful thank you no problem yeah your guys your show has taught me more than my certification has so I appreciate your guys's content which which certification was it by any chance and I've learned a lot so I'm not going to discredit them but I went through NASM yeah I was I was we all started up with yeah we all started with any SM so I know they're great certification thanks for calling in oh by the way is there any program you want for free because I'm in a giving mood as a holiday season South's the clause I would really like I'd be a fan of either anabolic or performance would be awesome no problem I'll give you a five percent off code just use Adam no I'm just kidding we'll get A we're going to send we'll send both those to you wait a second though wait a second before I let you commit to that do you own prime pro or prime no okay so I'm not going to let you pro not hard I'm not going to let you pick because I'm sorry because here's the deal those those two programs for trainers and coaches I've said this on the podcast again so I don't I'm going to insult you a little bit right here you're an idiot if you don't own those and you're a trainer and a coach those two programs so valuable are so valuable for you as a trainer and coach like when it comes to addressing issues with the clients if you own those or you have those you should be able to go back and reference that and be able to blow essential for your tool as they check this out alright like I said we're in a giving mood right now you're a trainer you're one of our favorite people we love coaches and trainers because we are coaches and trainers I'm going to give you prime prime pro anabolic and performance for free there you go oh wow thank you no problem man now listen you got to do one thing for me go be the top trainer in your gym go out there and change kick ass and then go open your own studio so you don't have to follow these stupid rules yeah I will do that I can do that alright man thank you thank you change lives buddy you know it's really annoying to me that gyms do I can't stand is they fail to to recognize the following what's best for the client is best for the business they just don't think of that sometimes what they think to themselves is 30 minute sessions we can fit this many more clients number crunching it's a lower price point we're going to sell more training now what's best for the person what's going to give them the best results improve their consistency the most it's going to give the trainers the most tools to do the best job that's what's going to make your business and your gym crush pricing and timely it's the race of the bottom ah it's just a noise of crap out of me and I really wish that a lot of them would do this and it was funny when I would when run gyms I would do what I wanted to do half the time and not what they told me to do because I understood this and luckily they left me alone because when they'd see the money then they'd say okay well Sal you keep doing your thing but it just really bothers me when they do that yeah I remember this though that was the push for a while because it made sense corporate wise like it let's let's be as efficient as possible let's like lower price point because maybe price is the biggest barrier but you know then you had trainers out there like me I'm like I want to sell the the biggest package I possibly can like I don't want to like so I would have to sell these 30 minute sessions and I would just stack them back to back to back yeah exactly I'm going to use this opportunity to continue to insult Isaiah and all the other trainers I'm serious okay the kid just said it's a valid point you're the Grinch and I'm saying that right he's the Grinch listen to me right now the kid just got done saying how much he's learned from our podcast in comparison to a national certification NASM by the way runs you 800 to a thousand dollars okay yeah Maps Prime and Prime Pro the fucking bundle is 160 bucks or so give or take whatever it is that is not that much of an investment and what that will be able to you'll be able to do with that with your clients will absolutely blow your mind so if you're a trainer and you're listening to this and I haven't said this in a while and you do not own both those programs you you stop listening to the show I don't want you to listen to the show anymore you're getting all this good information you see all the value in it now you gotta apply it and you haven't invested in those two programs out of all the programs we own nothing we made those for trainers no that's really who we thought about when we made them and the value is tremendous and as a trainer or a coach I'll tell you something right now if you want to be successful and you had to pick a goal that you could work on and to make yourself successful it's not weight loss it's not muscle gain it's not performance it's getting people to not have pain and move better I swear to God if you could do that you will have a client for life well just in two do you guys remember I mean I totally remember being a young trainer and then a client telling me they have a pain here or this bothers them and being like oh fuck I don't know you know like I don't or trying to gas or forgot or then going home and trying to research and figure out what it is like literally that has like compass tests built in so if they have an issue in a joint that's bothering them you literally can go okay let's do this movement see how they move through it they'll feel better right away and then they have exercises to support that and improve that that are laid out for you you look like a brilliant trainer and you could be brand new like so if you are a new trainer and you don't have that slap yourself Adam's disappointed in you he's picking his face right now you know what I knew it when you were asking him about what program I know he wanted the cool ones yes he was going oh anabolic or aesthetic those are and I'm thinking to myself this kid I bet you doesn't even have fucking prime sure he's culled out dude spoken like a good fitness manager all right look if you like our information head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out all of our guides right so we wrote a lot of free guides that can help you build more muscle burn more body fat move better improve your health and longevity even guides for trainers and coaches we actually have one in there for new trainers and coaches again it's mindpumpfree.com you can also find all of us on Instagram so Justin is at mind pump Justin I'm at 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