 talking about the 10 step Pablo Botari model we have gone through five steps five more to go yeah so we said that till step five hopefully the person's will is very much for deliverance then we can proceed okay so now we are assuming that the person is willing now what to do now we basically want to go to the root of the issue okay so root of the issue is what are the open doors or the entry points or why did this happen you remember I gave one example when I you know went to a conference with some of the youth from church and then we were praying over a certain lady and we just couldn't evict the demon spirit and then you know passed a caring man he was asking some questions and then you know when he asked have you dedicated this child to any god or goddess that's when the mother said okay I dedicated her to something like you know goddess of beauty that was the key or that was if you want to call it the open door or the entry point like why how did this demon come in that's the question and conversation with the demon we said in general there's no point engaging in a conversation but sometimes you know when we ask the question who are you when did you come into this person sometimes when you ask some questions you get an idea you get an idea of oh okay that's how so the right way you know of dealing with any issue is to go to the root of that issue because you you can as I told us earlier you know you can remove the mud from the pipe but if you don't fix the holes this is going to repeat and so what is the root oh all those holes that have happened so come on let's fix it now why why are there holes we could just you know go to the best solution ah the pipe quality was not good enough how about we just replace it with a better quality pipe then no holes no mud no blockage we can just go go you know through things in a smooth way so in the same way whenever we are ministering deliverance go to solve it at its root so then begin to ask the question now if the person remembers they might say yeah you know one of my friends had taken me to this some religious ceremony and you know these things happened there there was some sort of a worship going on I participated in it so maybe the demons entered at that time so then you recognize you can actually play with them to um cancel the commitment which they made at that point uh then it might be such that while talking to the person they share um that oh I've been through traumatic experiences in my um relationship relationships I had a traumatic experience growing up you know my parents were like this and this is what they said this is what they did so also we can sometimes figure out maybe they are carrying um unhealed wounds in their hearts maybe they are carrying unforgiveness bitterness anger towards you know their their parents or it could be in any other relationship so uh all this shows then we know right like uh hey forgiveness opens the door bitterness opens the door so then we can try to address that matter and show them yes you know what happened to you was definitely not correct um you know I feel with you I agree with you I understand but you know this is what the Bible says we must forgive forgive this person who has uh dealt with you in this manner you see Jesus forgave you and the Bible says it God forgive us that we too must forgive so again this might not be a matter of one conversation we may have to deal with this issue deliverance yeah let it be that uh I might have to meet with this person a few times and then the matter is unforgiveness bitterness so then till that is resolved uh it's difficult because then again you know you once a person is free then issues restart so uh talking to the individual or we call it the interview interview so you're looking you're carrying an internal view of why this took place what are the the sources of um entry into this person's life so once we figure it out hey because of these open doors uh this person is you know the demons have entered uh then we are in a position to shut those doors so be thorough there's no rush we're not in a rush here try to get as much info as possible again um I don't know if you mentioned this if I mentioned it in the course sometimes when it comes to breaking generational bondages there is no need to go into all the details because some uh ministries prescribe that they say they also have a chart I have also done it uh you know the entire chart from the time you were born uh you know your your relationship with your parents uh did you uh like in your youth did you did you uh play around with you know your cult by certain certain practices you know pair of cards this that will give you a full list then you have to sit and pick and say oh yeah this happened that happened that happened that happened like basically full my full history who's your father who's your grandfather but I don't think so much detail is what we are talking about not required you know just sufficient information to deal with this matter it's enough okay no need to go into the history of the person what are the open doors that have led to the demonization of this person let's deal with that that's the only point so when we say interview interview shouldn't become a long interview also so keep all this in mind so once we have an idea uh then what happens is we get the um you know maybe we are able to even list out the spirits we can say okay I understand now so because of this this there is a spirit of lust because of that traumatic experience there is a spirit of bitterness so we can even list out why do I need to know what spirits are there because then I can address I can uh address them by name I can ask them to leave like so I understand what exactly is going on so that's the reason you know you kind of find out okay one more thing during the interview is um you see the manifestation of these demons obviously the person is demonizing so the demons are there but as we are going through this process you know they might manifest try to disturb and also when we are speaking to the person uh you know we might have a tendency to like fight with the demon spirit or you know kind of provoke the demon spirit or something to stir up the demon spirit but throughout step one uh uh six try to try to keep the demons built under subjection uh because you know it means the quieter things are the faster things are the better so that's our intention so don't stir up provoke they talk you talk back all that is not required too many questions not at all keep the demon spirits quiet okay uh and then now that I've understood what are the root causes maybe I want to take authority and uh if there is a stronghold I break the stronghold if there is a curse I break the curse uh I I also work with the person so then I tell them look this seems to be the issue will you pray with me will you will you pray for forgiveness uh on this matter then when the person says dear Lord Jesus please forgive me that's when the door shuts right so we can bring them to a place where the doors are finally shut okay and then you move forward it'll be our ministry will be effective yeah uh any questions any point of time please just stop me okay at this point anything that you all want to say uh yeah I'll just continue I'll just continue yes now point seven leave the person in closing these doors to the admission of the spirits okay so I've already kind of appreciate that in my enthusiasm so that is step seven uh so where you know you tell them forgive somebody if they hurt you uh if there are sins right if there are sins that we have committed or the person has committed then pray for the father to forgive you and it is good to be specific so you could lead them to pinpoint um I dear Heavenly Father I am sorry that I partook of the worship of that something or I am sorry that you know I dishonored my marriage when I was in an adulterous relationship with be very specific it is required because we are going against that open door so then when God's forgiveness for that matter comes you know there is a release there there is a release of his power or you know I practiced uh of you know things of the occult I read horoscopes I um so basically what is that one specific thing that has opened the door for this devil they have to say it they have to repent of it then renounce you know renounce renunciation is uh telling the demons spirit see renunciation is always done loudly you can't say it in your heart you can't say okay um you know I I I repent of the sin the sin no longer has dominion over me I belong to Jesus in my heart I said it now that is helpful for God it's helpful for me but when it comes to demon spirits we have to be audible so that is why we say say it say it loudly so then we might have to leave the person in prayer it says okay spirit of lust you do not have any hold over my life no Jesus has forgiven me so you see what door is shut needs to be announced to the demon spirit so then it is like FYI you you no longer have any legal hold over my life I'm already forgiven Jesus has forgiven me the stronghold is broken so there is no place for you spirit of lust spirit of confusion spirit of fear spirit of anxiety whatever it is so you you deal with those spirits you renounce sometimes what happens that um there are many spirits there are many spirits that kind of take over a person so um then that renunciation process itself might take a while where you are you are addressing you know every it is sin that sin this spirit that spirit but take them take them through so that in the name of Jesus they have declared to every demon spirit that you no longer have hold over my life that stronghold is broken that sin is forgiven okay uh and uh you know that way the person is free also uh we can renounce any facts okay I don't know if y'all have heard but recently um you know I I heard that people make facts really deal with uh demon spirits they even have deal with Satan like you know they sell themselves to the devil and so basically what we are saying is uh you know we we said right empower stage of empowerment so their existence their body is now a vessel which satan can use for his purposes or sorry it has to mean Indian word it basically it's like upside down uh we want the holy spirit to take over that's what that's why we were creative we were creative for that to be filled with the spirit of god to live for the purposes of god but what is the the complete opposite of that being an enemy of god unfortunately there are people who make deals like that if the devil so uh I've also heard of testimonies and deliverances where I've seen where you know people come and you know they say things like uh I I uh made this deal or I committed myself or I committed my it could be a gift or talent of this you know my singing my song writing ability to demon spirits so that I can make more money things like that so the person might actually be able to tell you that this is what I have done then um we have to break it so in renoun renouncing such facts uh we would also need to the person would also need to tell that I break this commitment in the name of Jesus you know in the name of Jesus I renounce uh these spirits I break this commitment I no longer like you have to spell it out I no longer belong to the devil I belong to the Lord Jesus Christ the Lord Jesus Christ has lordship over my body my mind my will my emotions my spirit like they have to spell it all out you see because uh what's happening we are we you know it's like contract legally we we sign documents and that is agreement done now it is signed now it's so it's like saying this agreement is torn so based on what do you want to enter into my life the agreement is now gone so when such a thing happens uh then go ahead and call out the spirit to come out command the spirit to come out and the spirit comes out and not only that in in the first care of this person the person will you know be free uh the person will be um will have the opportunity to grow in God so it's a positive way forward for the individual and that is why these things have to be dealt with so you know we might encounter all kinds of all kinds of people or why this person get demonized there are many many reasons and in today's world as I just mentioned there are people who are willfully committed themselves to demons spirits as well but don't get scared about anything you know kind remember we said point one we have to build faith in the person now when the person starts sharing all these things with us in fact when I was you know a young believer but maybe yeah I mean a little bit you know as strong in the Lord a very good friend of mine gave me a book and this book was all about deliverance it was all about you know God's power that delivers people but but it had descriptions after descriptions of the occultic practices like in detail it had occultic practices it had how demons manifest and what demons do so if you take the percentage of how much it talks about God I I would I could say that I I just can't through and I I understood maybe 5% about God 95% about demons okay and I told my friend I said I'm sorry I thank you you know your intention was good and you know I'm grateful that you want me to know these things and it is about Jesus but let me tell you this book is not building faith this book is building fear in people's lives and that is not ministry right so never never let the devil intimidate you and don't let people get intimidated whether it is the person that we are ministering to or the people around never make it look like oh really you made a pact with the devil and you wrote songs which song did you write you know like which song did you record there is no need for all that because what's happening is you're making the devil look so mighty that even the faith that you have to cast out the demon you're kind of playing with it so there is no need for all that yeah okay you made a pact with the devil fine you want to reject that you want to break it come let's break it okay so make it all about God make it all about the cross make it all about the victory of our Lord Jesus Christ so then what happens you know we are filled with faith and the person is filled with faith the people around who are praying they're all filled with faith whatever devil this is sometimes these demons you from the interview will come to know this devil has oppressed 3000 people this devil has done all how does it matter Jesus has won victory over every demonic force every demonic spirit on the cross 2000 years ago it's a it's an old story so yeah okay you know it's not impressive the bio data of the devil is not impressive for us we only get an idea of what he has been doing and how we should deal with him so great well and good we are just going to be so while doing all this interview thing and taking the person through and you might find out many things don't go into unnecessary details it's not needed it's not needed for you or the person and yeah just limit always remember we must keep faith high that's the point so if the anything is taking us away from it those details are not required so just move forward okay you've given up there is this this some strong demon okay no problem come on let's pray pronounce it you renounce it if you renounce it even that strong demon has to move because it's an act of your will for the persons you will okay so that's how it is now moving to point number eight now that you have dealt with the open doors we cast out the hunting spirit or spirits okay so why cast out at step eight why not at step one anybody I know I've been repeating these things but I just want to hear from you why not cast out at step one and at step eight I would like to just share your views okay I think I'll ask people who are in our time zone because others are joining in so early how about Zellie Zellie are you on the call can you hear me can you answer the question why do we want to cast out the demon now and not at step one sure okay class I would need at least one person to answer so I can move forward no I'm saying these 10 steps isn't it Lubega why did we go through such a long process before commanding the demon spirit to come out why not in the beginning that is my question hello yes yes yes thank you as you said you needed to make a distinction between the individual and the and the demon so you was fast to take someone through a process before you you you begin commanding let the person also know let him come a person confess let the person accept and then later on you you begin commanding so it's a that process has to be there how does it help that is what I think yeah thank you thank you Paul how does it help you know in that person's life fall later after your deliverance yeah it helps a person to know psychologically possible recover and help him or her to to confess Jesus as a Lord and a prayer and then also for the Holy Spirit now to come and in dwelling that person that person should now understand because if you just rush and begin at step one as you say when a demon goes out of a person he goes back and come back with seven more demons more stronger than this one and then you find the state of the person more wasn't done the state in which he was before so that's why he has to go through all these steps yes yes excellent yes thank you thank you so much Paul for you know summarizing whatever we have learned so far that's right so you know we we want to make sure that we have closed all doors in other words the legal rights the legal rights which the demon spirits have those are removed and at that point when we cast out the unclean spirit or spirits you know they come out and if they want re-entry door is closed they cannot go back the legal right is broken now the Holy Spirit fills the house so you know there's no way of getting back into that house so remember we said Pablo Botari model quiet and effective so quite quick effective so this is effective so whatever work we have done so far till step eight is useful for us okay now coming back we have evicted okay we have cast out one spirit but then you know we might have to check whether there are more spirits generally in the case of demonization we find that there is more than one spirit okay so then again we might have to go back interview a little bit so step six step seven little more you know repetition is required till at till such a time where we are very clear all the spirits have left the person and the person is now free now move on to the next step which is nine we lead now that the person is free we can lead them in praising and thanking God for what God has done in their life okay so that is leading them into worshiping God okay because now they and and usually I don't I think this also happens on its own in some ways because you know somebody who has been so oppressed by let's say a spirit of anxiety when they are set free they they realize the freedom which they were missing so then what happens you might find that person crying you might find that person just looking happy finally and you know saying thank you God thank you so it also happens automatically but then we too can join in and we too can say oh wow look what the Lord has done and we can all praise God together we can give thanksgiving unto the Lord together especially that individual who has been set free okay um yeah then next is that we have the individual pray for the baptism in the holy spirit so if you're done with the deliverance session then you know generally we take time I remember one particular lady she was manifesting and you know after the spirit was cast out she was so exhausted and just sitting there but somebody from the team went and said she's a believer she set free went and asked her okay are you filled with the holy spirit are you baptized in the holy spirit and she said no I'm not so she in that situation in that condition itself this lady asked her would you like to be and the lady this person who was set free said yes so they prayed together and you know she was filled with the holy spirit so we lead them to be filled with the holy spirit reason is the house now should not be empty remember what these spirits are going to do so let's say five spirits left they will go they will try to come back one is the entry points are shut second is the house is filled now it's it's occupied and so there is no way for the demon spirit to come back so in this manner what has happened is it's an effective deliverance ministry where we have you know done the best effort that we know of this person can continue to walk free before the Lord and then after that comes the post ministry suggestions so it's not over it's not yet over the person is free now then no we might have to talk to them sometimes one chat after deliverance might not be sufficient okay because we've understood that person said that oh I had this habit of you know watching pornography or something for so many years I never thought it was wrong and the demon spirits came in through that okay now now that the person is set free we might have to work with them and just talk to them and see hey how did that lifestyle start what is what is your what is you know what do you know about the truth of God's word so the renewing of that person's mind is very very important so we can talk to them about all these things show them what the word of God says and as they renew their minds as they consecrate themselves to God in that area you know they might like Joe prayed and he said like you know I have made a covenant with my eye that I will not look with lust upon a woman so you see I'm sharing God's word enlightening the person in that particular area so they are able to break free from their you know untruth or lies that the enemy has planted in their minds so the renewal of the mind takes place and also you know the person can be led into prayer of repentance prayer that says okay Lord I am set apart for you now fill me with the Holy Spirit my eyes are yours I choose to live for Jesus so all that okay and then don't just leave it at that we can continue to encourage them to let's say they are not plugged into a church and encourage them be plugged into a good bible believing church attend regularly serve in the church learn the word so you see you need lifestyle you need a freedom lifestyle because other than that people might have the chance to slip back into their old ways but when there is a change in lifestyle those demons no longer have an opportunity to come back so now when the person is connected to a good church filled with the Holy Spirit reads the Bible you know regularly prays regularly also we might say why don't you plug into a group an accountability group maybe something like a life group where somebody can keep a tab on us and say okay brother you know how have you been and I can be honest with them and say I'm okay but you know I'm still struggling in this area maybe they'll they'll stand with us they will help us so accountability groups is also very helpful post-deliverance and yeah yeah I think other other points I've covered elaborately you know many times so I just don't want to be very repetitive yeah also we could help the person identify you know if at all there are some demon spirits afflicting them you know we also can do self-deliverance isn't it so I can take authority let's say fear is coming in and I sense that it's not a normal fear it's more demonic then I can take authority for myself so then teach the person about believers authority help them to take authority over demonic spirits we can also encourage them to pray in tongues praying in the spirit is very powerful so that will also keep them out of further attacks yeah maybe the Holy Spirit might reveal some instructions you know through the gifts of the spirit so even that can be told to the person okay so yeah I think we have covered everything we can especially when it comes to addictive behavior personal bondages you know we can minister deliverance but we need to provide good post you know deliverance air to the person only then there will be a change in their lifestyle okay and then they can continue to live free walk free with God so with that we have completed all the 10 steps of the model and what we will do is the next one which is about exercising authority over territories and regions we have I think only two more chapters yeah two more chapters left yes so we will take this up in the next class we will stop right here so if there are any any inputs from your side we can discuss about it we will pray and close has anyone here like seen or been a part of a deliverance session which has a process okay doesn't look like okay not a problem not a problem now that we have learned I'm sure we can put knowledge to good use let's go ahead and close today's class then I would like to request somebody who's comfortable to lead in prayer so I leave it open anyone can pray please okay I'm not too sure like you know who has a mic and who's comfortable so that's why I don't want to call out names anyone can you please volunteer let's pray okay either of you father in heaven we thank you for today and for the lessons that we've had this morning Lord Lord we know that we are children we should keep learning Lord right now we've learned about how the processes through how we can pray for a demon possessed person so Lord let this stick into our mind and we call upon the Holy Spirit to keep on reminding us in case we meet this scenario in our lives in church and in everybody in every situation around us Lord let us be fruitful and multiply as we put what we've learned into practice we also pray that we meet in sound mind in the next lecture next Friday Lord we do bless the pastor we also pray for everybody who is in class to have peace and to have a wonderful weekend I do pray in the name of the Father the Son the Holy Spirit and we say amen amen amen thank you thank you so much Lubega that's wonderful so yes class we wrap up for today God bless you have a great weekend and meet you next Friday God bless thank you thank you brother