 So, the reason I was interested in this program was because it was a combination of a studio-based practice and research which was very different from my previous program and I liked having the option to do both and that's one of the reasons this program was appealing. I can sit and tell you about everyone's projects in the studio right now. There's five of us including me and I can talk about everybody's project and what they're pursuing and why they're trying to do what they're doing. And that level of intimacy and understanding each other's works and being able to guide each other with the work we were doing was something that was lacking in my previous studios. This is his pile of paper. He also owns a design studio so all the waste paper that comes out of that design studio ends up here in the studio.