 So first of all, can you please introduce yourself? Yes, I'm Taiwan's digital minister. I'm Audrey Tang, and in charge of social innovation, used empowerment, and open government. Excellent. And can you outline some of your opinions around same-sex marriage in the country, which is the current debate at the moment? Well, it's not under debate, because the Constitutional Court already said that marriage equality is constitutionally protected. And in its landmark interpretation, it says the legislation needs to take at most two years to make marriage equality happen. I think it's now a few months now before that needs to happen. And so yeah, at the moment, people generally agree that marriage equality is part of our constitutional protection. And the issue now is mostly how to implement that in the civic code itself. Which brings up my next question. The next month, there are some referendums that are happening around that question. Like whether it's a new chapter, a new section, or a new clause. Yeah. And some of those referendum questions are framed in a way that are opposed to same-sex marriage or trying to limit. I don't think so. Oh, you don't think so? Oh, OK. I thought there was three that were looking at trying to. There's one that says it needs to be a new law that causes something that's not marriage, but with the same rights. OK. So the difference would be? It's not about equality. This is about marriage meaning different things to different people. And some people think that marriage is a social construct. And the state should maybe distance itself from the definition of marriage. Some people think marriage is a state construct. And the society need to understand that it's a state construct. So it's more about marriage. The term is currently a social object around which people are gradually understanding that different traditions, different cultures associate different meanings. It could be cultural, it could be social, it could be environmental, it could be governmental around marriage. So in effect, it's almost like a difference between recognition of civil partnership or civil marriage versus other forms of marriage that some of the anti. No, I wouldn't say it's anti. It's just saying the existing civil code recognize marriage. And they wanted to be called some other name and in some other law. But de facto, it provides exactly the same rights as a marriage. Just don't call it that. That's the referendum. That's the deal. OK, perfect. I'm going to ask a follow-up question if you don't mind around education as well. So one of the questions as well for the referendum was about education in relation to the Gender Equity Education Act and potential change to this around being thought about diverse genders and sexualities. Did you have any thoughts about those proposed? The thing is that this sexuality difference and gender difference translate into mattering as xing bian. So that again creates the issue. And there's a good friend of mine, also a colleague at PEDIS. Because if you know the Kanji characters, the traditional Chinese characters, xing bian. The word xing is written with a radical of heart and a component of body or life. And so basically, it's the heart part of gender and the body part of sexuality. And it's merged into the same word in xing bian. So it could translate as either sexuality difference or gender difference. And so that's where the referendum is trying to do. There's some people who say xing bian should mean only the right radical, which is xing bian. There's people who are saying xing bian should mean the left radical, which is xing bian. And all of this is because in Mandarin, we're using the same word for two words in English. That makes sense.