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Wow I'm really enjoying my workouts and then focus on those things and You'll you'll see all the positives that are happening right out the gate So it's easier to deal with if you just focus on the weight Well, yeah, that could be real frustrating and you and what will happen is you'll ignore We're not a pay attention to or give value to all those other incredible things that happen at the very beginning and then of course eventually The weight loss starts to happen and then it's a snowball effect It happens faster and faster and faster and if you do this right Shannon, it'll feel effortless What's up everybody? Here's the giveaway for today's episode maps aesthetic. This is our core foundational Bodybuilding style maps workout program. 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All right, here comes a show Here's an interesting muscle building hack at the end of your workout do a deep Static stretch of the target muscle hold it for one to two minutes very painful, but it actually triggers muscle growth Is there a name for this? You know, that's a good question. I know that there's training methodologies that will Use this technique like you ever hear of DC training DC stands for dog crap. You ever hear about this? No I'm not making this up. No, that's what it stands for swear to God so scientific No, there was this this bodybuilder guy can't remember his name and on the on a forum He got real popular and his forum name was dog crap. So they they called it dog crap This is the industry we're a part of you guys All joking aside, it was it that's the one that I've known of I know that bodybuilders in the past have incorporated this I know Tom Plats would do this at the end of his workouts Arnold often talked about Deep stretching a pump muscle Studies show that static stretching on its own will elicit a little bit of muscle growth But after a workout, this is mostly anecdote Although there's some studies that show that this is actually true You get a muscle really pumped and then you you do it like a weighted stretch Yeah, so a weighted static stretch wasn't Ben Pekolsky. That's so yes. Well, he's interest Interest stress so set. Oh in between said Yeah So I was gonna ask you if the science that supports that is the same science or are they separate? It's the same now Here's why because you guys know this like I do the reason why I wouldn't do interest set stretching is because a static stretch Tends to kind of shut off the CNS a little bit So I could see how bodybuilders going light and just kind of getting a pump would be okay But I don't want to yeah, definitely not strength training. Yeah I'm not trying to dampen my CNS, but at the end of a workout. I don't care. I'm done In which case I think it might actually speed up recovery Well, I imagine if I were if I recall because I did go through this protocol with Ben And I think it is it's interest stretching at the end of like each muscle group. Yes So like oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, so you I mean so it's like you do all your sets Then you stretch. Yeah, do another one. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, if I recall that's how it's I'm I could be wrong I don't remember I know we actually shot some YouTube videos where he came on and actually did it But what I was curious about is if the the science that you're both using is the same science to support the argument of why This is valuable. There's there's there's some interesting animal studies, too Well, they'll take a bird and they'll put like a weight on one of the wings and hold it in a stretch position And they'll get like very rapid significant hypertrophy of the stretch muscle So it's really interesting and it's not like I mean it's it's gnarly I want people to know this this sucks like yeah, you get like your quad I did it this morning my quads super pumped I did it, you know, I worked out my legs Then I got on a foam roller under my shins so I could kind of sit back on my heels and I did two minutes sitting there with my quads being pumped the burn is it's almost unbearable It's nasty. Well to me it really sounds more like it's an isometric tension type stretch if you're adding load It's not passive at all. So right you're still shuttling, you know blood and Stimulating the muscles to to be tense in that position right you're not you're not resting on a joint So I feel like it's it is just an isometric hole. I agree. I think that's why it builds muscle So like like let's say you work out your chest for example And then you're done and then you want to you know use this technique You would grab a pair of light dumbbells lay in a fly and allow the dumbbells to come down and really Try to relax and what you'll find is the dumbbells will fall further and further and further Through that minute or two minutes a minute is probably where most people will want to stop But I've gone as long as two and three minutes It is gnarly then there's some theories around like when a muscle is maximally pumped Stretching it also helps send this kind of you know muscle fascia stretching signal Which has also been shown to kind of signal muscle growth one thing that's cool about this is it doesn't I don't notice Any impairments in recovery or damage? So it's like I'm adding something that'll build more muscle But I don't get like more soreness or more fatigue if anything I feel like I recover faster I just say I would I would imagine or theorize that it would Accelerate that because you get you get yourself to relax a little bit when you're all super tight in your pump Yeah, the opposite direction then you're relaxing the muscle afterwards. Yeah, you know It's weird about it too is like I did this Yesterday I worked out my upper body and I did at the end of my back workout So I just kind of hung from a bar and tried to relax and let my lat stretch So I was like really pumped anyway, so I finished my back workout Then I did this long ass stretch then I let go and like five seconds later. The pump is Way more intense. It's you get this insane pump after the stretch. So I'm off to try that It's really wild the only downside I would say is that it adds time to your workout So you're probably gonna add like 15 minutes to your workout You know by doing something like this, but man and then talk about like Improved range of motion for the next workout you get you know now you're not connecting to the range of motion Like you would when you're doing like priming necessarily But it's also not necessarily passive. So well, it's a bit how we kind of programmed Some ways the the cooldown process in prime. That's what we did in prime So we had those static stretches to really reinforce positions, especially like, uh, you know and range positions because we didn't want you to lock up from Going through the workouts and being being sort of formed into that. Yeah, dude But it feels really amazing I I've done this before where I've gone through stints of doing it again The the the reason why I don't do it consistently is the time Factor because it's adding extra time But I've modified my workouts recently to reduce the volume to allow for the space to be able to do this And it blows me away and I'll keep you guys posted, but I know every time I've done it I notice like this kind of muscle, you know building boost from it that is uh unique from Adding exercise or volume because again, it doesn't take away from my recovery You know blows me away is how you have not been kicked off twitter the same way How how are you still on twitter right now? If Sal ever had a filter, it's it's definitely no more Well, you went okay, so we still haven't got to the bottom of instagram I know we had some lawyer working it out trying to figure things out Like I don't know if you just gave up and said fuck it or whatever But you decide to go over twitter twitter you become this Like alter ego version of yourself and go 10 times harder And how are you not getting kicked off on there? I don't think I'm big enough to to to garner attention. Oh, I'm wondering if you have to get a certain size And then the you know, the people you're significant right now The algorithm isn't picking at some point at some point. They'll be like, oh, he's not a threat yet Yeah, we got to shut no, you know why because when I got kicked off instagram. I started from scratch And um luckily for us our social media really doesn't contribute to our business at all thankfully I know some people who build their entire businesses. Yeah on like instagram and I feel bad Because honest to god Getting kicked off instagram. I did not do anything crazy. It wasn't anything. Yeah crazy. I was very objective mystery Like I go way harder on twitter. So if you see me on twitter It's like that is not what I did on they seem to be doing weird shit Like where they go back you mentioned before where like that's what happened to me You're getting like old stories. Well, even the you know, you sent that thing about me and our private group Yeah, that's good. That's like two three years old. I know He's making threats to me. Yeah, I know You know, okay, so here's how ridiculous. Yeah, get adam off of here We have a private forum and adam this is like a two years ago at least adam did a comment that said something like Hey, if I said if our if we don't have this isn't one of our biggest programs or launches I'm going to punch justin in the dick. Obviously joking. Yeah, obviously joking because he would never punch justin in the Like I decided with violence and three years two years later two years later I don't know if they changed the algorithm and then it goes back and I wouldn't get punched I don't I don't know but on instagram. It's what happened to me. I got all these uh warnings for Story and the story disappears after 24 hours. It's not even up anymore But I would get all these warnings for stories that I posted Two and three years before and I was I was getting them every day and that's when I told you guys like, uh, they're After me there's gonna be something's gonna happen And then these like copycat accounts started popping up and they would they were like coming after me and it was really strange So I don't know. I don't know. You know, I'm not trying to be conspiracy theorists about it But but it's definitely very um, it's very interesting But yeah on twitter I go I go a lot harder because I started from scratch I was pissed off getting kicked because I don't like being told what I can and can't do And I get it instagram's a private company. So I don't think there should be laws that force them To do anything, but I'm like, I'm starting from scratch. I'm gonna go hard What's the latest in terms of uh, elan musk's takeover and like how's that process all Dude, so I he got interviewed on the all-in podcast. They did their summit in, uh, florida, right? I wish we would I know I should have gone Um, love those guys are really I'm trying to I'm trying to get jason calcanis's attention because um I know they're all in the bay area and I'd love to have the guy On the show. Um, he wrote a really good book on angel investing. It's really really good. But anyway, they interviewed elan and elan the deal is on pause because He wants confirmation on how many fake accounts are on twitter Now the public filing here's a funny So elan based his information off the public filing which you're supposed to be accurate and that's supposed to lie And the public filing says that they estimate about five percent Well, he comes back and he says I'd like to see the numbers because it seems like it's way more He thinks it's probably like 10 times that a much As much as 10 times that amount that would be my sense. He thinks it's like 50% He thinks it could be as much as 50% He thinks like 20% is probably on the low end is what he was saying. Wow and he's like Well, you know, I believe that after you know, you made that comment, uh, about I forget whose page we were on I think we're on tom's page or something that every comment was a bot Bro, have you seen did you see our last one of our last ones? No Our one of our last posts on the mind pump. It's it gets hitting our mind pump media page now I think you just reached a certain level once you get over like a hundred thousand people And you're and you actually have a lot of activity these people that have these bots they they go after those pages And so I we we're getting bombarded. We don't have any fake followers, but we're getting bombarded with that I think it's just they're there's a lot more on these platforms and the challenge is it reminds me of steroids and sports and professional sports People are like, we want you to get rid of steroids and then the organizations are like, we're gonna help get rid of it But we really don't but also it helps us. Yes These these social media companies, they don't want to all of a sudden reveal that, you know 30% of their users are fake their numbers go way down the stock price goes way down Yeah, they get less money for advertising. So Elon said that twitter They way that they make money off advertising is through brand awareness. They're not like other social media companies where Companies post and then make money off of sales He said mostly on twitter It's brand awareness and he goes and that's a big deal if you have a lot of bots Because you don't have a lot of real people Looking at your brand. He goes it'll it'll basically it'll crush them. And so he said to them I'd like to get some confirmation and then twitter responded said there's no way for us to know Yeah, well the CEO the CEO came out. I saw that tweet the CEO came out and said That it would be like an invasion of privacy because they cannot tell the difference between a bot and a real person That they would have to go into their personal stuff in order to verify that Therefore it would be like an invasion of privacy never stop them before and Elon post just the the poop emoji Well, dude on the interview he said that he goes he goes it's apparently it's more complicated than the human soul he goes He goes it's like it's like harder than getting to the moon He goes just trying to figure out these bots like basically he's saying like bullshit Yeah, bullshit you guys don't because here's the deal. He paid a price based off of their public Filing and what they say to the public right if it comes back and it's like I can get a reduced price Dude, how gangster would that be? Well, you're buying a broken company. Hey, how gangster would that be if he He did all of that Knowing that knowing that when they started to dig deep They were gonna find that they were over inflating their numbers and then they would they would either get in trouble Or have to reduce value the hell Yeah, reduce the price and bail out like a super discounted price. How crazy I I mean this is crazy It's opening up a lot of well, that's gonna open up looking into facebook instagram I bet you like that's a big problem huge with all these social it's a huge It's got to be a huge issue, especially if you build if you pay for advertising and expect X amount of people to look at your brand Yeah, and you're like wow this a lot of these people are fake and it's prime for foreign entities to come in and incite Extremism and yeah, well think about all the fake like upset people that like Seem to dominate the social media space like if that's really like say that's like 80 fake people Just trying to get a rise out of everybody in terms of like rallying People towards these causes and it's not even real Like to me like like what does that say about society right now? Where are we? I don't know it's it is interesting But I mean I think an easy fix would have been hey if you want to start a profile on twitter Show us your ID Confirm who you are and then we'll give you a verified account. I think that's the only way to solve It's the only way to solve this is that you will people that want other people to know for sure. They're real We'll have to give up like their driver's license or give up something that verifies Who they are and then what it'll look like instead of only like super popular or famous people getting verified Everybody who's real will be verified and then anybody who didn't go through that process and attach an id to To a profile will not have access anymore to that Right, it'll be interesting to see if they if he does something like that or they or they enforce this or not And then what will fall is like does that you have to log in? You know attached like you're a real person like it has to attach to something. Do you yeah I don't know. Yeah, you're you're email like it and it has to like verify But that's not anybody can make a gmail account really quick and attach it to I mean you could have 50 account Ways I've tried though to like create another account and it's I think Justin's right. I think facebook if I'm a lot more I think they're the hardest one. Yeah. Yeah, like instagram super easy twitter super easy Yeah, to make just fake crap tiktok super easy to make by the way tiktok very interesting Uh jake shield you guys follow him, you know, yeah, okay. Oh, yeah, he's interesting He said, you know, it's weird. He goes I feel like tiktok pushes like because because obviously if you want a platform you can Prioritize certain content because I think they're promoting the most extreme crazy crap And he goes and tiktoks owned by china. He goes. I wouldn't be surprised I mean, I'm paraphrasing or whatever. I wouldn't be surprised if china is trying to use tiktok as a way to Mess with the kids and all that stuff propaganda. I would dude. I mean, I don't know man Some of the craziest stuff I've seen that goes viral is on tiktok Well, they they they display a completely different tiktok in china than here They do. Yeah, and they can't even use other social media and stuff. They shut it off at certain hours What does that tell you? Yeah, exactly. What does that tell you? They display a different tiktok. They have a different you can't get on facebook in china Tiktok not facebook. Oh, yeah, they have there. That's theirs. So I would think they screen it So it's not like a bunch of stupid ass challenges where people like light things on fire Or like destroy bathrooms or do all this like reckless shit that they do on tiktok. Yeah, it's it's uh, it's different I know. Isn't that what that tell you? Yeah, it is weird. I'm not on that one enough to have too much of an opinion on it I like I mean, I know that we've got somebody doing fast food junk Like people just sit there and like scroll and it gives you like 15 seconds of bullshit. Yeah, it's nothing to it It's like there's like uh, very unhealthy behaviors being promoted, you know With kids and food and their bodies. I mean that's social media in general, but It seems like it prioritizes the craziness to put it at the top of the algorithm or whatever Do you think it'll get popular ever for kids to kind of like not be on all this stuff? I think if it becomes I think if it becomes cool to not to it will I I agree kids are funny like that, right? They are whatever's cool. Now There's there's a there's a popular kid in elementary or high school right now Who's like i'm gonna be again instead of being someone who's on tiktok who's on facebook who's on instagram and cares about I'm not gonna give a fuck and he or she's got that confidence Yeah, and everybody wants to be like them like that's all it's gonna take doesn't even have social media Yeah, it's gonna take more. It's gonna take you the second girls prefer to date boys that aren't on social media I remember us are promoting that hey my relationship with my my white tank top, you know, that's how it started Like I wore him because I was a kid and Some girls like wow you got really nice shoulders Like that was it dude. I'm wearing this bad boy all the time. Hey, do you guys see that I bought some for my baby son? Oh, yeah He's a tank man He eats everything he runs around in that little his little white, you know, yeah, or whatever and push in lift He's built bro. He's gonna be he's gonna be stocky. He cracks. Yeah, he's definitely gonna be and he likes like Like we give him sardines. He just loves I know I couldn't really smash in the sardines like that Oh, yeah, dude loves them. Absolutely loves them. We haven't even tried some of that. Although max will eat almost anything So I don't eat sardines though. So I don't he'll eat what you eat. Yeah, you ain't touching sardines Sardine fed so but I mean so good for him. So it's awesome that you guys got him doing Yeah, and I'm on I'm on I finally like switched to the you know, like the super get shredded strategy now for myself Now I'll ask you Adam because I know Justin you could care less about these types of things Let's have a conversation Just as I'm about to roll his eyes But did you were there things that you would do when you would finally make this switch that has nothing to do with getting you lean But it's just certain things that you would do that that would psychologically of course But like do you have anything tons of things? Yeah, of course. No, I mean, I even had like I mean I had phases of music I had uh when I would reach certainliness. I would allow myself to get tan. I would trim trim body hair That's what I just did. I do all kinds of weird shit. That's what I just like it's it's a weird Uh, I don't know and I don't know I didn't get it from anybody It's just something that like I play these mental games with myself of okay when I reach this level Then I'm gonna get tan when I reach this level Then I'm gonna shave my axe It's this weird because and I think all it does is it gives me these little milestones and then it's It sits in the space. Well, it also It reinforces the the look right because we know that for every shade darker you are you look a certain percentage leaner They've they've proven that right so getting tan makes me look even more leaner So I'm like, okay I'm gonna be pasty white work real hard get to a certain point I get that point and then I'm gonna slap the tan on it Feel really good. That's like and then I'm all hairy all over the place And it's like, okay, I'm gonna trim all that down. That's gonna make the muscles It's like a weird bro. I said you all kinds of weird. I just did that annoyed the shit out of Jessica Yeah, she we go to bed. I take my shirt off and she's like Ew, I'm like what she goes you look like a boy because I trim my chest She's like, I'm not trying to sleep with a boy. I'm like, babe, like is it trimmed or is it shaved? I trimmed it and then I shaved it Yeah, but that's just it and I don't care. I could care the less you guys know that I'll let myself But it's just mental like I now I'm in the space like I'm just time to get shredded. I mean, I I really think that Um, but she just like there's a there's a difference between staying kind of fit and healthy Which is where I kind of considered my category right now And then getting like shredded like getting shredded is such a is to me It's less to be consistent. It's less physical and it's more a mental game 100 So all those little stupid things you can make fun of me all you want I think that those strategies are some of the things that would help me The difference between me walking around at like 9 to 10 percent and getting down to 6 percent is this 9 to 10 percent is 85 percent of the time I eat really well 15 percent of time. I enjoy the burger or you know the dessert or whatever 6 percent it's 99 percent of time. Do you know what a pain in the ass? How much mental like it's hard mentally to be like that on the weekend at night at the day You're traveling you go somewhere to eat You have to so I have to mentally put myself there. Otherwise, it's like forget it. No, you know, stupid I mean, I even have certain clothes that I wear when I get to certain phases like I'm super the sleeveless shirt I mean I've been doing that I've been I did that long enough that you you start to have to I don't you don't have to but you you you tend to start to do things like that To kind of keep you focused or pushing because it is it's a that like exactly what you said getting down to 9 Percent is one thing. It's just like a little bit of discipline a little bit sacrifice. You still have good balance in your life It's not like you're Sacrifices you get down sub 6 percent and like it and that's the reason why I don't think it's healthy long term Because you're you're not living much I'm saying you're you're literally like your thoughts Most of the day are centered around You're eating and you're just planned everything's planned. Yeah, you have to be and I'm doing it for a couple I'm doing it really because it's for fun. But also, um, you know, we're and I'm not going to reveal too much But I'm going to be in one of our upcoming in the future programs So I want to look the part type of deal on some modeling and have fun with it Let's say that little bikini briefs. Yeah, totally That'll that's we'll sell zero zero progress Yeah, anyway, did you guys did you guys see that uh, okay, so scientists have now created mouth haptics for vr How does that work? No, I'm like, I you feel so the article taste things or you feel okay So I so I the article I read had this image that didn't show the girl had anything in her mouth It actually looked like a weird thing on the headset But the way the article explained what they have figured out is they had figured out these mouth haptics that will Allow people to feel the same sensation of drinking or eating in virtual reality and or Wind blowing on your face or like if you were flying or things like that So you're gonna feel that sensation through your mouth. What a trip. Yeah, I wonder what the first applications of that You only got to guess bro. I'm sure it's not going to be pretending to eat No, the yeah water wind. Oh spiders. Oh, what the hell who'd want that? Hey, that'd be a good trick to play on your friend. Hey, watch this game real quick I mean I The closer and closer we get to this the more and more I think that boy did Did they really hit it out the park with player one? Oh, it's so good I mean, I just think that we that is really really close to it I mean, maybe not the whole dystopian like, you know Everyone living in trailers stacked up or what like that But the idea of we're gonna have these body suits and goggles on and it is going to feel Like you're in there. You know what? I was not far from that. No, I know what I got gloves now too It'll happen in our lifetime for sure. Oh, yeah, I was thinking the other day that Because one of the challenges was shopping shopping online Is that you don't have the experience of actually shopping in a store or trying things on You could totally do that in the future with these haptic suits and stuff because it'll have your body measurements Well, that's have everything that's you'll walk through the store. That's why Nike and these guys are doing that Why they're already buying into it into the virtual world Because that is exactly what they expect is going to happen is a map and okay, it sounds ridiculous But there's a lot of people and you guys have to have I know you guys have to have a best friend a cousin or someone of yours that lives Three plus hours away from here. Sure and you guys have similar you guys like the same sport So you like certain things and like you can now go attend A concert or you can go shopping at a place with them like you can't tell me there's not a lot of people That would totally eat up meet up with someone. Yeah You know you call your friend up on the phone and they're they live in a different state Hey, meet me at the Nike store. Let's go shopping for some sneakers today. You know what else remember demolition man When with with Sylvester Sloan or he's like he gets frozen or whatever and goes in the future And they remember when they're going to have sex and it's like oh, we don't do it the old fashion It's gross like we had to plug ourselves simulated. Yeah, dude. That'll get promoted to safe sex No, we're not touching just put on the haptic scoot and then we'll have sex and no one's going to get any stds or Whatever, I bet you lame. I bet Anyway, hey, I got to tell you guys something pretty pretty cool about uh our sponsor Viori So when we started with Viori What were they what were they valued at when we first started with them? Oh like a hundred million. Yeah, they're billions now, right? Yeah, yeah, they think they're they were either two or four billion is what they so so we had we had some friends visit and Um, Jessica's friends were coming to visit and when I said hi to them I was wearing you know Viori or whatever and she's like, oh my god. I love that company. Are you sponsored by them? I'm like, yeah, she was like a huge fan We go to say so we go to Santana row Because she wanted so bad to go to the Viori store there because she's like And it's just crazy to me how much that company has grown and how it's like I went into so Lulu lemon is across the street at Santana row. So Santana row for people don't know is this like open air You know kind of high-end shopping mall Viori is across the street from Lulu Viori 15 people in their shopping Lulu three. Oh, yeah, dude And it's it's I it's the cooler. I think it's cooler because I asked her I said, what do you think of Lulu? She's like I like them, but I like Viori Way more and I walked to the store and it was full, you know, it's funny about that too. I've had a few experiences where Uh, I'll meet somebody and then they're like, oh is that viewer like I thought they were like Oh, are you the home of the host on mine pump? It's like no. Oh, that's Viori clothing. Yeah That's I love that clothing. I do too. Yeah, I got this poll So I'm you know, I'm trying to get more of these kind of colored looking shirts. I mean look at this I like yeah, I like great. I haven't I haven't got any of those. Yeah, dude But I couldn't believe their store was so busy and in Lulu was was not I wonder how much of the market share they've started to eat up I mean, obviously Lulu was the leader and the athletes you're they're exploding every time I read about them They're just exploding more and more and now they're they're they're grabbing the female market because obviously they start with men they're really grabbing the female market and Just blow and they obviously they do it's one of those things once you buy a pair and you wear and then Then you're all in it's just it's just the making that leap like I'm guaranteed There's listeners right now. Oh, I've been meaning to go try some of their stuff out I haven't done it and you kind of hesitate. Yeah, you finally do it Then you're like, oh shit, this stuff is really totally a speaking of our sponsors So, you know, I've been trying to cut caffeine. By the way, are you are you back on caffeine? You are right So I'm having a cup in the morning So yeah my morning cup and then I actually I was just talking to Doug about how much it's been helping me Because Doug I guess is coming down off of his caffeine also you too, Doug Where were you at by the way because you didn't have much to begin with I mean 150 200 milligrams a day. Oh, so that's not not a lot But not like Justin or I yeah, I was up to 400. These guys were like in the 600 probably range Oh, I was like 6700. Justin's like over a thousand dude. Yeah, he's like He's kind of downplayed No, I've tapered off. I appreciate it as an IV at his house He pours coffee in his eyeball I stop it at least by like one o'clock now. No, I'm so on this like Element with red juice kick right now. So I've been I've been on that. I really I can feel a difference bro So yes, so I tried cutting you guys know this I tried cutting caffeine. We're up and truckie and I was like forget it Dude, I'm depressed and zombified or whatever So now I'm using so red you the things in red in the organify red juice that help or the rhodiola and the cordyceps both of those have Stimulatory properties, but not like caffeine. It's not really a cns stimulant, but it helps offset the symptoms So here I wrote down the strategy. I've been using and it's I'll tell you the feeling that it makes me feel is I've put my finger on it because I've consistently done it now is Right now Because I've trained myself so consistently to have a cup of coffee on the drive over here And then when I get here I was having an energy drink or two, right? So when we get ready to podcast, I have this like almost anxious feeling So I feel unsettled So it's a really weird like and and I want this this caffeine Obviously, I've been trained I've been trained myself to want it all time and when I take the red juice it just Calms that energy calm. Yes. Yes. So I so I don't feel all sleepy and tired I like I need something to give me energy and I don't feel all anxious feeling That it totally settles me down. So here's what I did. So this is for anybody who's trying to come off of it So I sat down because I'm like I do not like When I feel like something has a grab on me and I felt like I tried to come off caffeine I thought it'd be just go cold turkey and I'm like, oh, I don't like it's a powerful drug caffeine is a legit drug it's got it's deadly at a relatively low dose you get classic withdrawal symptoms Your body adapts. It's addictive So so it's it's and I don't like the fact that I felt like it was it had a hold of me Well, the reason the reason why We celebrate it so much. That's why oh, it's it's so celebrated. It's in kids. So does Intimity, dude. I mean whatever. Yeah, I mean it literally and it's happened in our lifetime Dude, if we discovered kids coffee wasn't like a thing No, like now like everybody drinks coffee now and it's just it starts with that you have one cup and then you have two cups And then you got to do extra espresso shots and it's turned into like this thing I mean, I see people post posting all the time bragging about how many espresso shots that they have to put in their coffee And because all the studies show the all the benefits of caffeine There's not a lot of negative stuff that comes out as far we've just Everyone goes it's a bell curve caffeine has some benefits But then it's got some real bad detriments and if you use it long term It stresses your body out. So it's good to go off. That's a fact 100 and you're right when we were kids jolt cola Remember that? Yeah, that was a high caffeine drink. I think I had 80 80. It's all sugar. No, it was like 60 million Yeah, it was anything. Yeah, it wasn't even 100. That's not even a small red bull these days What should the hell drinks that no the real coffee drinkers were like the bus drivers who were like smoking cigarettes and like Hating life Or your teacher I had a teacher that would just on breaks with smoke and drink coffee And then she'd come help you with your work and just breathe on you Anyway, so I so here's why did I sat down and I said, okay I want to create a caffeine a caffeine strategy where I bring it down And minimize the shitty feeling that of coming off. So here's what I did I did a staggering approach and I incorporated the red juice because I noticed it made a significant Different so I was at 400 milligrams of caffeine on average a day So here's what I do the first day I cut it in half go down to 200 milligrams of caffeine add red juice Day two is 100 milligrams of caffeine add red juice day three I go back up to 300 milligrams of caffeine red juice then to 200 then to 100 then back up to 200 Then 100 150 now Why am I doing the staggering approach because every third day or so I get the wonderful effects of Being sensitized to caffeine and it's a break because it does suck coming off now. This is like a 10 day Strategy, but at the end of 10 days, I'll be down to 50 milligrams eventually I'll go off and then the plan is to go off Completely for probably four or five weeks then reintroduce it again And I'm gonna say and here's the other thing about caffeine. It is an amazing Wonderful drug when you're sensitized. Yeah, when you haven't used in a while and then you have some It's like the greatest anti-depressant energy producing Thing in the world. I feel the same way about weed weed the same way too. You have to same thing Same thing. It's like it's such a an amazing powerful thing Especially for like creativity and relaxing and body numbing like you have a chronic pain like such a powerful thing But if you chronically use it every single day and you pick up the dose on that It loses its luster too, but you pull off of that for a week and that's all it takes on on that stuff What I love about that is it's so much easier than caffeine. I can cut smoke and weed out for Caffeine you feel yeah caffeine terrible. Yeah caffeine. I can feel it like that was rough Yeah, and it's it's hard because if you have a job Or you got responsibilities like I can't be depressed zombie and come do the podcast or you know hang out with my kids Like they're gonna pay the price with my withdrawal. So that's why I did that strategy But the red juice totally And again, it's the rodeo on the cordyceps is is what does it totally Mitigates the a lot of the effect. It's not perfect You still feel like you're not you know, like you're going off caffeine, but it makes a big difference Yeah, yeah, bless you guys. Well, you look something up for me. I put it up in the notes Like I think it was last week and I've been meaning to bring it up and I forgot Who is trying to buy the rights or so Dr. Seuss is there there's I think they're up For they're they're they're getting evaluated right now so they can potentially sell the rights So very similar to like marvel and like all oh really? Yeah, imagine doing Have getting the rights to dr. Seuss and then doing like all kinds of like crazy series to that Interesting. Yeah, I think that's really interesting company. I don't so they are getting their company evaluated I think they're positioning themselves to get acquired or get or get the rights bought. So that's an empire Yeah, huge. Yeah, I mean anything about quite a few of those like Pixar looking movies. I don't know what the difference is like the studio that makes those but they've made a bunch of Dr. Seuss based like type movies. So yeah, makes sense. Yeah, good. I mean it's good storytelling, right? I love dr. Seuss, you know what that says Doug or is it telling you? There's a lot of information here. It is the number one literary license in the u.s by print sales. Wow Imagine how massive that I mean billions and billions of dollars Well, and then imagine how like look at what we see that what we've we've learned like what the You know, Disney can do with things like the the star wars and the marvel thing Yeah, and build on characters with that many written stories around dr. Seuss imagine how much they could build off of that That's massive. It's huge. It's like, um, I mean, it's it's a It's it's American royalty, you know, there's some brands that are just like star wars is like that marvel has kind of become like that Yeah, I would put dr. Seuss up there with that. Yeah, dr. Seuss is It's royalty like you own that you own a piece of american History so say that again Doug the most the most sold written literature. What did you say? Is the number one literary license in the u.s by print sales Wow Yeah, so it sells more copies than any other ip-based book Perioding for both children and adults. That's crazy. Right. That's gotta be I mean, again, it's gotta be valued at billions Oh, it'll be it'll be billions for sure. So that's why it's interesting right to see I'm so curious to see and I I know like people that are up potentially look at netflix I think is looking at it, right? I think amazon's looking at comcast warner animation group Yes, oh, hey, I wanted did you guys are you guys watching all this like revelations on the the blm organization? Oh, I just saw something. I don't know if it's true though. So I don't it's all it's true It's true. Well, first of all, I saw okay first I saw they're buying mansions Okay, then they're throwing parties like tens of thousands of dollars parties Nana just came out that the leader the the girl the founder or whatever Paid her baby daddy, right? So the guy who has she has a child with 940 thousand dollars for creative services for creative service paid her brother $800 something thousand dollars for security. Yeah It's you know what I'm gonna say this right now with donated money Yes, it's it was an admitted marxist organization. They said that themselves. They were Totally taking advantage Of people's empathy and fear what a manipulation race baiters Bro, the crazy part about that is like how extreme that is like you could She totally could have got up like away with like paying maybe a hundred grand or something like that to some things Bro, when the just and justify paid a million dollars to your listen, you know, why it's just like I'm gonna get away with it You're not gonna do anything about do you know why think about it. Do you remember? Okay? You guys remember when all that shit went down nba mlb nhl freaking every major corporation you couldn't say Uh, no blm is a marxist organization without people just coming after you so she felt invincible. Yeah Oh, yeah, don't never come after us because they were shielded with this You know, we fight racism bullshit what you don't the whole ideology Yeah, and then people gave them money for two reasons and i'm gonna call people out right now one because you're empathetic And that gets manipulated politicians do that all time and two a lot of people Just for you signal, bro. Please god. Look here. I donated. I'm not racist. Don't hate me Don't whatever there's this weird sense that you had to like do specific things to prove you're not racist Which I was always like this is crazy. No, it's bullshit I remember when we felt the pressure when I was like you got to post this on your thing and we're like no I'm not gonna post anything from this organization who just literally said that they are part of a philosophy That's killed more people. It's a collectivist philosophy. That's racism is collectivism. Okay marxism is collectivism It's all connected. It's bullshit. It's total bullshit. So and it's it annoys a shit of me So now of course people are kind of waking up to the fact that they donated money To a bunch of um exploitive, you know fake baloney. It's crazy. Me. That's not making like Front page news and headlines to me. I mean it's starting to really yeah Is it coming out like that because I feel like all the articles I found and like very few people I knew and even knew about it. You know why because a lot of people are embarrassed, you know How many people were like, yeah, like I you know why because I'm mad you're gonna be donated all this money You see where it's going hundreds of millions of dollars. Yeah a lot hundreds of millions of dollars. Like that's inferior Yeah, and I get the sentiment. Uh, I think that's why so many people got Like it's either there's got to be some things that they did something maybe I know they paid in some streams They show up and organize maybe uh protests or they'll speak out or whatever, but no, they really what happened to donating all that to college You know and like like grants and and doing things like that to get uh, you know People are more more into that realm of education opportunity. You just have to be careful because the easy the the two easiest Ways that p you will get manipulated is through your empathy and the reason why empathy is such a nasty Thing to manipulate is because you feel like you're doing something good I'm helping so that you'll fight that tooth and nail right and then fear obviously scare the shit out of you And the way that they manipulated people through fear or the way that we all kind of got manipulated was Oh my god everybody's getting attacked if they don't support this organization I'm by the way. I'm talking about the organization at the sentiment. Uh, the sentiment's totally different I'm talking about the branded organization of blm They were full of crap and they manipulated a whole bunch of people and now starting to how many mansions they bought And all that stuff with that money come on dude and I don't pay taxes because it's a Yeah, I saw you I saw you posted about that this morning. How's it going? Is you getting mad heat for it? No, no, I think people are just a lot of people are like, yeah, I feel shitty, you know So you think people are aware. Yeah. I mean, how mad would you be if you were all about it? And then you read that she paid her brother 800 something thousand dollars for security and her baby daddy, you know Almost a million dollars for what the hell's creative services What the hell does that mean? Well, I feel like the last few years is logo opportunity driven, right? It's like anything that's out there you can make money on it's going to press full throttle. Oh, yeah Anyway, how much we pay for our logo? Do we pay close to not quite a million? a little bit less Hey, by the way, I don't care if you're it's your money and you want to pay your whatever friend tons of money But I do care when you lie and you Well, that's why I said like, okay if if it was a little bit more reasonable It probably could have easily got brushed under the rug and been like no big deal Like I mean you you could make the case that you need security You can make the case that you need somebody for creative design and something like that But to pay him a million dollars is like a little well This is how some of the televangelists went down Totally like it's the same thing like they just end up like totally like Misusing the donations and they go back to rally more donations and it literally is funding their bank accounts Yeah, and everybody else. Well, I feel bad. I mean the whole shit. The whole situation was shitty I felt really bad for Look, I have a lot of friends that are police officers Do you know how hard it was to be a good cop? When all that shit went down when the whole defund the police, which by the way Nobody supports it now because everybody knows it's a terrible idea. It doesn't work But do you know how many like good police officers? I know good people these are people I'm related to friends of mine Like these are good genuinely good people that are like man I'm getting like people are trying to spit on me Like I this I got I became a police officer to fight this kind of garbage And I'm getting hammered for putting my neck out there to to save people's lives And so I thought that was terrible. Well, you know speaking of con artists, you know, we uh, we were off air We were talking about HBO How good the content that they've been producing Did you guys have you guys seen the um the big con yet? No, oh Pull it up Doug. It's called. I'm pretty sure it's called the big con. It's on HBO max I just started watching it. It's like a four or five part the same people who did the mcmillions I was super sucked into this last night And I think I got through two or three episodes of this dude But he's like I forget maybe it'll pull up the town That's like some small podunk town in middle of nowhere and this tucky is kentucky Yeah becomes soup like one of the most famous lawyers ever He's a social he ends up being a social security lawyer And what he he becomes infamous for is the ability to get people They're basically their social security insurance Within 30 days the process normally takes like 18 months for the hours person and this dude had Worked deals with judges. Oh, wow, and he's on like every billboard I mean just he becomes super famous super freaking rich Helping out and it's like this category that nobody pays attention to so for like over a decade This dude got away with this Like scamming people and making tons of money off of this and then he got caught and he's in big trouble Well, so I'm not at the final of the show I'm in the middle of it right now But you just reminded me talking about people conning people out of money and like I had to bring this up Like it's so far. It's interesting as shit. I had never heard of this Dude, but have you seen the preview for it yet, Doug? I saw the preview and I wanted to watch it. Yeah, it's interesting Yeah, you guys will like it. It's super interesting whenever there's lots of government money You see some of the worst cons they go in there and they get that free You know, and that's it's it makes you wonder too Like because we have so much government involvement with so many things like that That's all it takes us someone like this to Figure out this system. Well, you know what it is and by the way be celebrated Yeah, like this dude's helping people out that are on social security and helping them get their money and stuff like that Well, you know why it's because when you try to rip off Of a private company, they're they're they really their best interest is not in losing this money It's their money. No, we got to watch things and you can still con companies But it's much harder when you con government They have all this money that they give out and the more they give out the more they get Because each time they do their budget they look back and say, oh, well, you didn't use all this money You don't need as much so they're encouraged to Give this out and so it becomes this kind of not only that but there's so much bureaucracy and so many Levels and people between things that it's so easy to weave your way And that's what he basically proved is like how easy it was All you needed to know was all you needed was like a best friend as a judge to sign off on something You're doing good for people. So no one's gonna question it, you know I'm saying and so he was just pumping these Oh, yeah, it was it was such a hustle and it was clever as shit and everybody was celebrating. Yeah, totally So super wild. Hey, I wanted to say talk about a little success with uh, some of my family members So, you know, you know how hard it is to convince family members in particular to adopt Like fitness or health strategies and you know, you kind of just give up and Wait for them to ask you at some point because it just they don't listen Well, some success is that I've got family members now that it's part of the routine to wear their Blue light blocking glasses before they go to bed An hour before and they notice a difference and they do and it's easy and they do it every night And they're like I sleep so much better So the next now I'm trying to get my my grandfather and my grandmother use it uh as well See if they'll Did you start buying it for everybody's gifts? I try to do that and I I gotta follow up But I'm not sure it's like they're it's successfully You know, that's the thing like I'll do that with like I've done that before I'll do things for people Then they don't do it and I get my feelings hurt. Yeah, so I'm like forget it But no wait till they're I got people that's like that now that's like their routine and they're like, yeah You know, I do the thing that you said do you do you think that's easier or so I was listening to We're getting ready to interview Kelly, right? She's coming on the show And so I was doing my homework on some of the stuff that she that she talks about and she was talking about the you know, finding um very very simple hacks to Integrate into people's life that with very little resistance, right? And that's like a simple thing, right? That's you're not telling them They have to do something radically different. It's like hey, dude when the sun goes down. Yeah, just put these other clear Yeah, put these glasses on or what she was actually talking about was the you know, the salt lamps Yeah, you know instead of using your overhead light using these salt lamps I feel like that's a harder step. So that's why I'm at what I was just what made me why I brought that up is I was I was I was listening to her. I'm listening to you right now talk about that and I'm wondering like What do I think is uh easier? I think the glass is for me or it is because I keep them in like the areas where I have either television by the bed and they just sit right there and everybody watches tv at night Yeah, who do I mean everybody I know watches tv before go to bed So instead of saying don't watch don't don't turn on electronics an hour or two before bed or put salt Light, you know lamps on or just use candlelight most people like no, I love my routine. That's I agree with you I that's why I like the the blue blockers better is it's like, okay I can put those on and there could still be fluorescent lights on or there can still be the computer on exactly Now I still try and discipline myself that because we have those amber lights or whatever to switch the amber lights Or to have the fireplace on and kind of do that instead But if I have that on I'm I'm less worried. I'm less worried if I look at my phone I'm less but if you do the salt lamps, but in your on your laptop or you're watching tv And you're doing all those things I feel like it kind of defeats the perfectly. Yeah, because again It's a it's a routine a lot of people enjoy it. Oh, I put the kids to bed I've got an hour and a half. I want to watch tv with my spouse and now you're telling me I got to turn off electronics like I want to keep doing that here put on these glasses You know what else we did is we bought just about these red light bulbs. Have you seen those? So she put him in some of our our bedrooms like red red or the amber ones that I'm talking about They're like these kind of similar to the no no no they're red So and they're made to minimize the effects of light because it doesn't have blue or green light in it So you turn them on now again That's also not as easy because he wants to walk around in red light, you know all over the place or whatever But we like it, you know we do it so at night if we turn on light It's just kind of a red glow versus You know versus the bright neighbors worried you there's some satanic culture That was like what I remember the I told you guys the juve the first when I first got it But I used to live in the he saw it come through the window. Yeah when I used to live in the car Dude, those things are so crazy. I told you he showed me a picture of my house I'll never forget this. I shared on the podcast years ago when I lived in that I had that three story And we had it up in our spare room and the juve light was so powerful and my walls are all white That it reflected the whole house so the whole house glue red Yeah, so he was he was going out of there. Yeah, so he took a picture. It was like this like, you know, it was after dark Right at eight o'clock at night summoning. But what's the name? Oh my god, that's gotta look so weird if you're walking by. Do you remember do you remember when alex jones Snuck into it was like this a bohemian grove. Yes. Yeah, I did. Do you know that's real? Yeah, he snuck into this bohemian grove apparently now that's the one where all the politicians and super wealthy people go and they They put on the fucking Full horn thing and they dance around and there was a big effigy of of like the satanic They pretend like they're drinking blood and they burned it and then they were all around it chanting It's like this big owl god. Yeah, and he filmed it and it was like a real thing, dude He actually got in and filmed it. He did He you can watch the video if you go online now Does he see a reporter back in the day and so he was like kind of exposing a lot of the things It's the thing is like everybody just wants to like write him off as a quack right away But he started out as like an investigative journal. Well, some of the shit he says is real. That's the part that sucks Yeah, because you hear him and you're like wait a minute Well, the he proved like the cia infiltrated a lot of like peaceful protests It's just to make sure that like they could come in what about the what about the human pig kumaris And then they're showing in china that doing this with you know, it's like pretty crazy But that one was the wildest because it was literally Film of these wealthy, you know successful all the elite connected elites Gathered around this big effigy of their god or whatever And wearing weird shit and chanting and singing to robes and everything and yeah, and it's up in northern california So, yeah, it's like way up north somewhere, uh, you know in the redwoods and like heading towards Shasta or not direction up. Yeah, super high security. Nobody could get in he snuck in and took it Had death threats and stuff afterwards. Yes. Now when he was in there Did he say little eyes wide shut kind of shit? Did they say did he say who was there? He dropped names. Do you remember? I don't know. I think he might yeah I'm sure he's he said like because that to me that that's the port that has like because there's yeah There's lots of weird people doing lots of weird shit. Yeah. Oh, no, I think I think there's presidents and yeah Like if you got like really famous and prolific people in in government and in you know, maybe the you know Entertainment industry and they're all in cahoots and they're doing shit like that Okay, that's a little weird to me, but I mean weird shit happens all the fucking no Weird people do lots of this in order to get in there You have to be super connected But imagine imagine this imagine if you built a business you crushed you become a billionaire And then like some super connected politicians like hey, you know Come hang out dude. We're gonna have a party and then you walk in And there's like fake dead bodies made out of food. I imagine there's some of these things started So who who's the author for like huck fin and you know that series way back mark twain mark twain So mark twain was actually uh attributed to like starting this I believe really mark twain fact check me dug but yeah, like it started out as sort of this like um This this like sort of group of all the the celebrities and powerful people and whatnot and they were able to kind of Get away from society and have their own little party. Yeah, and everything goes What would you do though if you showed up to a party and you're like, oh cool I feel like you get uh, like I don't I don't test you. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think you get jumped right into that You know i'm saying I think you get like little bits of things like hey, do you think this is cool? You know you're at the party. Yeah, maybe this is where they gather a bunch of blackmail on the powerful people just like Have you heard of the regenerative properties of children's blood? Excuse me? Never mind. Never mind. No big deal. No, I'm just kidding, bro. Like what why can't come to the party? We cancelled it. We're not doing the party anymore. Yeah, so I I'm sure that they they probably uh They they probably don't jump straight to the crazy party. I'm sure they get like like a little bit of like breadcrumbs for sure Willing to cook I imagine you can't afford to bring somebody in who is going to rat you out background check everybody Yeah, I bet it's it's probably you probably got to apply and you probably know all about it in order to get in it I bet I mean, that's what I would say there Doug You know, I'm not seeing definitive statement that says that mark twain started it There's some suggestion that he did look up bohemian grove Anyway, and then go on images put uh put alex jones bohemian grove And look up uh images and you'll see a picture of them like praying to this. I mean, this is google dug So if you really duck duck go it Look at that, bro They're like burning shit and wearing weird stuff and praying to this weird. Come on, bro. That's some owl That's some weird shit, dude It's a trip imagine if you saw that and there's like presidents ex presidents and well It would be weird if I saw presidents the next presidents there. It wouldn't be that weird I just saw but I mean just a bunch of northern california people You know just silicon valley like yeah, and they're all on they're all on shrooms and they're doing their thing That's the normal this is wednesday. I mean Come on, dude. We have people that we are connected to in the health and fitness space that are So into the fucking shroom side of you know fitness right now and you know chanting and war painting and Yeah, you're doing weird shit too. So that's true And if you were outside no idea what's going on you walked in and you see these guys Screaming at each other and pounding each other's chest and like wearing thongs and paint on their face laying down There's like one guy's like laying down and yeah whole sunning. Yeah His body was outlining crystals, you know, I was all around his body. He's like, oh, I'm like chanting I'm like, well, I mean, you know teach their own I guess. Yeah, dude So there's lots of it right it would be weird if it was like ex presidents Like so that's to me like that's when I see things like this. I don't right away go like, oh, there's plenty of people that No, I think the weird I think they were worshiping really really interesting people at this I don't I gotta I gotta look at I know I so I remember when Joe and him had this conversation So I did see that at least I've seen clips of him talking about this And I do remember him saying that there were pretty famous people that were there But I don't I mean, I don't know how much that was confirmed and you know How much is that like just like we hear now like it like the big thing now is like Were you on the plane to Epstein Island? You know what I'm saying? So like well, dude It's like it's the whole like conspiracy theory with all these people get together is confirmed to put this information out You know, it's a it's a make you question or they all sit together and they talk about how they can manipulate the world We're gonna at first. We're gonna release this virus and then we're gonna That's not what happened. Yeah, that's not what happened. Just saying did you imagine crazy Hey real quick We're gonna get back to the show But you've got to go check out organify in this episode. In fact, I talk about their red juice It's one of my favorite products contains rhodiola Contains cordyceps and also compounds that help with blood flow. It's a great energy producing drink. It's non stimulatory So it doesn't have any caffeine, but it does give you energy But they have many other products like a vegan protein powder, which I love They have a green juice, which is great for health. They have a gold juice Which is great for right before bed much more go check them out Go to mind pump partners calm click on organify use the code mind pump for 20 off. All right. Here comes the rest of the show Our first caller is shannon from california shannon. What's going on? How can we help you? Hey, thank you for taking my call. I appreciate it. Yeah, no problem um, so I Two part question, but firstly, um, I've been wondering about how to eat properly in a surplus I'm kind of trying to like work up the nerve to reverse diet And um, if I'm metabolically adaptive, do I eat my surplus of what it should be to like build muscle or You know, like let's say I maintain 1400 calories a day if I bounce up to 1600 Am I actually going to build muscle or do I need to work my way all the way up to like 2500? So that my body You know can kind of make the other systems more efficient and then start building muscle. Does that make sense? Yeah Okay, so a couple things when you when you go into a surplus So you want to go a surplus is going to be quite individual. So you want to kind of figure out what your maintenance is If you know your maintenance is 1400 calories a 200 calorie bump from there is a safe place to go Now those two things to understand when you with calories Or at least with how many calories your metabolism will burn Your you have a range With your current lean body mass in terms of calories burn So, you know think of it this way like your current lean body mass could burn and i'm going to just make up some numbers Between 1400 calories a day and 1700 calories a day Without adding any additional lean body mass now what determines if you go lower or higher your lifestyle So are you sending a muscle building signal that makes a big difference? Do you have a lot of stress that makes a big difference? How's your sleep? That makes a big difference hormones will make a big difference. So You can bump your calories and see no weight gain whatsoever. In fact, that's that that's relatively calm I'd say about 50 of the people I work with when I would increase their calories a little bit They just would get more energy and they'd feel better, but we wouldn't see weight gain now How do we turn that or get that to go into muscle? You have a great effective appropriate strength training routine if we put you on A really really good strength training routine Then you're sending this muscle building signal. So your body wants to build muscle. It's got extra calories now And it'll it's likely that it'll take those extra calories and build muscle Which then will of course speed up the metabolism even more Which then will lead to your ability to add even more calories from that point. Does that does that kind of make sense? Yeah, yeah, I just wasn't sure if I needed to like get myself all the way up to like 2500 at maintenance And then I would start seeing the results of the muscle building Oh, I see. No, you'll start seeing results before that although. I think that's a good goal is to try and get yourself up to Yeah, I mean, I think that's well Go ahead and that's sort of my following into my next question is um Which I know you guys get this all the fucking time But uh is fixing the metabolism always the first thing that you should do because I have like 50 pounds to lose I just had my third baby Like seven months ago so I can you know, it's time I can start doing some training Um, but it's like the mental thing is so hard I know you guys know that getting from the idea of not cutting right away Is there never really a case to like Cut right away so that I feel like better about myself and then reverse diet once I've leaned out First of all, we should address it. So you you don't have a broken metabolism, right? Thanks, your your metabolism has adapted to what you've been doing. So it's not broken, right? And uh, is there a case where we have somebody a client where I go right into a cut who wants to lose body fat? Sometimes but it's more rare because this is what ends up happening many times this Most people have tried before they get to one of us normally like when we were trainers Uh, they had tried to diet and exercise themselves for months or years Before they got to us before they got frustrated enough to say hey, I need to hire a professional and help So I would say nine times out of 10 Um, I'm almost always reverse dieting a client even when they so I'm always adding calories to start their programming off Even if their goal is to lose 30 40 50 pounds And it's not because they have broken metabolisms. It's just that for an extended period of time They've been in this very low calorie diet and you know, many times have yo-yo dieted And tried to exercise and many times the exercise that they would they would go after would be this High-intensity aerobic type of training, which is just again Sending a signal to that metabolism to slow down. So it's not that you know that You we don't have cases where we cut calories and it's not that you have a broken metabolism It's just that the case normally is that people have tried to do this on their own The way they've done it on their own is restricting calories moving like crazy i.e. cardio And then we get a hold of them and it's like, okay, you're at 1400 calories and you've got 30 40 pounds to lose I know that I can't I can't cut you from there. Like you're already lower than I want You're already lower than where I want you to be at the end of my my my help. So The inevitable is to yeah, absolutely reverse diet. Yeah, and remember we're looking long term So we're trying to create because you know, this is this is very true losing weight is is not hard It's actually quite easy. The hard part is keeping it off Everybody's lost weight before. Um, I mean millions of people do it every year It's the keeping the weight off that is the challenge And so we focus so much time and energy on losing weight Which is dumb because if you look at the statistics People who try to lose weight Majority of them are successful at some point to some extent But the majority of them are fail at keeping it off long term So why are we focusing so much energy on the weight loss? Why not focus the energy on how can I set myself up? So that this is something that is sustainable now Is it sustainable to go from 1400 calories to 900 calories to try to lose 30 pounds? Probably not. I mean, unless you want to eat 900 calories for the rest of your life That's that's a tough position to be in You said you had a seven month old. Are you still breastfeeding? No, I just weaned. Okay. So good. That's that because that that can make things a little bit more Challenging and then here's the other part you wrote this in your question and you you know This is the part that you wrote down that you didn't necessarily say but you you kind of hinted to this is that There's this mental aspect. It's like you're ready to lose weight And you're like, okay. I got a reverse diet and build up and it's going to take longer And you know, I kind of you know, maybe you feel bad about yourself or you're maybe a little impatient You're like, I want to get this going Here's the trick. Here's the key to that Don't focus on the weight loss focus on all the other positives that you get from slowly increasing your calories and introducing appropriate exercise Focus on all the other benefits. So you may not see the scale move down Real quick at first. Remember, it's kind of a snowball effect, right? If you do this, right? But what you will notice is you're stronger. Your energy is improving Which is probably something that you're going to enjoy quite a bit considering you have a seven month old So you probably have gone through. Yeah Not that great energy. So it's like, oh my god, I got way more energy. Oh my god. I'm feeling much stronger My hormones are starting to feel like they're balanced again. My libido is kind of coming back My sleep is better. My joints feel better. Wow. I'm really enjoying my workouts And then focus on those things and you'll you'll see all the positives that are happening right out the gate So it's easier to deal with if you just focus on the weight Well, yeah, that could be real frustrating and what'll happen is you'll ignore We're not a pay attention to or give value to all those other incredible things that happened at the very beginning And then of course, eventually The weight loss starts to happen and then it's a snowball effect. It happens faster and faster and faster And if you do this right, Shannon, it'll feel Effortless what I mean by that is As the weight starts to come off your body as you start to burn body fat As the clients would tell me this all the time they'd say this feels really weird. Like I'm doing way less than before I'm just getting leaner. This is really crazy and it's really crazy to them because they'd never experienced What it feels like to have your body working with you versus against you. So Can you consider all that while you're doing this because What you don't want to do I'm sure you don't want to do this, right where you lose 50 pounds and then you keep it off for six months Then you gain it back and then you lose it again and you gain it back and then over time You end up it becomes more and more challenging Over time like let's do this the right way It might initially take a little bit longer But at the end of this you'll feel amazing and it'll be much more sustainable So that's that's the the message that we're really trying to preach Shannon. What uh, what's your training look like right now? Um, so I'm actually doing anabolic. Um, I'm kind of oscillating between Days that I can get to the actual gym where there's barbell. So I use the at-home program and Um, just the regular one too just depending on kind of like what I have going on Yeah, okay, perfect. Yeah, you're you're set stick to that. That's yeah Thank you. Those are good reminders It's like I I gained like 60 pounds with each kid and I've lost each time but this time I'm like, okay I want to like do it Right. And so thank you guys. I really appreciate um, you know the reminders that to trust the process again No problem and congratulations on the third baby. That's that's amazing. Thank you. I'm done Good for you. Thank you Shannon. Thanks Shannon. All right. Thank you. Bye. Bye Yeah, it's like uh, boy, I use this analogy all the time But it's like you're like I want to build a house And then you know the guys are like doing the foundation like no no stop doing that I want to see the house tomorrow. So like okay, no foundation We'll just put up some wood and some sheetrock and here's your house and then you know A storm comes by and your house is gone So it's like you got it if you build the foundation, right You're gonna have a lasting a long lasting structure if you don't It's gonna, you know, any storm is gonna come by and blow it right down Yeah, we just could get back to that delayed gratification. It's uh, the work itself is is you know What's gonna carry you and you know to do it right you have the opportunity right now to do it the right way Which you know is going to be able to You're gonna experience a whole new level of fitness that way versus getting Immediate results where it's like I lost weight and it feels great But now you're in that trap of that hamster wheel and now it's gonna come back Now I got a hustle to get off and it's gonna come back And so why not just pull yourself out of that and you know really dedicate yourself to the right way It's the mental aspect man. That's so hard here. Always. Yeah I mean and I I totally get it like Imagine, you know struggling with weight loss having 30 to 50 pounds that you want to lose. You just want to go on Yeah, and and and someone telling you to eat more Sounds counterintuitive So it it's it flies right in the face of what you've been marketed to and it seems illogical Yeah, it totally seems illogical So of course that's gonna be difficult and then heaven forbid the scale actually goes up a little bit You know, which is very possible I know you said that you know a lot of people stay the same or end up end up losing Which if you do a good job of adding just the right amount of calories you should see what you're saying But it's not that it's not bad either if you go up three to five pounds No, that that and that happens from extra water. That's right. Yeah Yeah, and and you know, maybe you have a great you have great genetics with with building muscle Maybe you have a hard time losing body fat, but you put on muscle really well And so your body adapts and you add three to five pounds on the scale But you've added some good muscle and you've sped up your your your metabolism. That's a very good place to be in So Yeah, it's a bit of a mind fuck when uh, when you're struggling to lose weight, but when you get somebody who's at 1,400 calories, I don't care how much you got to lose whether it's 10 pounds or 100 pounds Not a good place to be Yeah, I mean, I know right away that I've got to get this person's uh calories up because it's just not a sustainable place And in order for us to lose we have to create that deficit And it's just not likely the amount of activity or the amount of calories They'll have to restrict is going to be something they can maintain for their life One of the biggest problems with this scenario is this attitude right here You know what? I'm just going to lose it and then I'll worry about keeping it off later You know, yeah, it's like that never works. It's you are forget that you're not going to keep it off later It's just not going to happen. So, you know, thinking about how I'm going to fix it afterwards You've already ruined it by going through this process the way you did and you can't fix it afterwards. It doesn't work that way Our next caller is Daniel from Texas Daniel, what's happening? How can we help you? Hey guys, uh, really excited to talk talk to you this morning. I guess Uh, I'll give you a little background just to so my question makes sense. Um, almost 40 I've been lifting for about four years. Um, really just sorted through Lifting myself had no formal training tried to sort through the industry information which was tough at best and, uh When covid hit stopped actually lifting and started picking basketball about an athletic background So a bunch of us were playing through that and I started straining my my calf Both of them actually pretty bad. So I took a break as everything opened back up And started, uh, another weight training program. Someone pointed me to you guys After listening to you for about a month I bought bought your programs and started anabolic and, uh I actually saw really really good success through it I tried to play basketball halfway through and and and pulled my my calf again So I stopped all the together, but I ran the full program Um, I saw great success. I went from 17 percent body fat Down to nine added about eight pounds of muscle. Wow That's great, uh, so really really thankful for you guys And I'm a walking billboard for you guys around here I've got a lot of friends and family that have started your programs Um, but I started performance And I thought I addressed some of my mobility issues I did in my shoulder and in my back Use prom for that and fixed it. So I thought I was doing some things for my my calf But I went to play again Two weeks into performance and I strained it again So I sin in this question because I heard Adam say If he was going to play basketball He would he would design something so he wouldn't get hurt And I really wanted to see what you guys would say if there's anything I can do Or if I was I'm approaching 40, I just got to hang up my basketball Adam just rubs Ben Gale over his calves now Stupid No, this one this one's so close to home for me, right? So, uh, yeah and in honestly, okay So performance is good for like general performance and uh, it's good for working on mobility the things that you've addressed But when you start dealing with like calves or like achilles stuff that I I mean I tore my achilles playing basketball for this exact reason because there's a difference between Working on your ankle mobility and then actually working on like explosive drills and strength with your with your ankles, which Performance isn't very specific to that. So although I would run a program like performance I would definitely have some modifications for basketball stuff And and you know who's got really good stuff and why is his instagram? I'm going to slip me right now Corey Schlesinger's uh instagram name. Justin. Do you know what it is? So if you I don't know do you follow Corey? Have you heard me talk? Shout him out strength. I think yeah, like I'll have so you got it. Don't you Andrew Okay, so I'll make sure that Andrew puts it in the in the show notes or he'll pop it up So when you watch this you'll actually see it. It is less strength slash strength Yeah, c a s c h l e s s He's a good. He's a good friend of ours and he's the strength and conditioning coach for the phoenix sons And he actually also tore his achilles and then he He showed you'll have to go further back on his instagram To see some of this but he posted a lot of really good rehab stuff For ankle strength and achilles like reactive training that that stuff is what I would need because I've had calf and and Achilles issues with And a lot of that I think has to do with The muscle that I had built so like you I went on this like muscle building kick, you know So I when I played basketball, I weighed more like 180. Well, I walk around 230 now Okay, and even when I'm in like lean shape I'm 215 220 which is way different than what my my Explosive basketball self is used to that's the one drawback of actually put packing on a bunch of muscle Is if you haven't trained Athletically with all that muscle then this is where you get these kind of issues with like strains in the calves or in my case Tearing the achilles You've got all this power that you've built but not this the same type of power that translates into sports So I uh make sure you check out his stuff also another person I know I'm plugging other people than ourselves, but to be honest I don't think we have written anything that really addresses this Um is our good friend, uh, paul fabrits at pjf performance who has a bunch of training programs I literally would would take from those guys if I were to build a Uh kind of a basketball training a routine for myself to get myself back into shape Yeah, really it amounts to that that speed power Uh, and there's just like brief elements of that and I think it's phase four or phase three Uh of performance, but really like plyometrics and getting your your calves Conditioned for that type of fast twitch response and that kind of uh a demand and force generation there Um, that's what you need to start, you know scaling and and being able to to work on improving And they they those are great examples that adams was mentioning They have like certain drills where they actually use assisted band where you actually hold onto a band and you start You know working on that uh time of of keeping your feet on the ground and explosively Uh, you know jumping and bounding up so There's lots of like sport specific type technique for Um this type of training that uh, you really need to dive into that part of it Meanwhile getting that type of uh real real foot strength From you know from your barbell training as well. Yeah, I mean the big rule of thumb here daniel is that performance is is quite specific in terms of How you train that is where you'll get most of the performance. So if it's strength Although strength has a lot of carryover most of the gains and strength will be to Similar movements similar speed that kind of stuff, right? So If you're playing basketball, it's much more explosive reactive And you're not doing any of that in your training You'll get some carryover from strength training mobility, but not a whole lot So you're you want to do things where you're practicing some maybe controlled jumping lateral bounding Jump rope can even help a little bit for short You know bouts basically you want to you want to practice the stuff that you'll be doing in basketball Just to get your body acclimated and get the the reactive strength The stability to be where you want it so that when you go play basketball You don't experience what you've what you've been experiencing. Yeah toe squats I mean using the sled for sprinting things like that where you can be a little more explosive on your forefoot So, you know being able to strengthen your feet is going to be everything which will then help translate up the kinetic chain and get your Cavs conditioned as well. Definitely dive through all the guy's stuff that I just recommend They got all kinds of really good stuff related to what we're what we're talking about I know at one point we've talked about getting more specific with like performance and addressing specific athletes But I would take the base of performance and then I would start I would add in some other drills That I would pluck from our two friends who I think start slow though Yeah, what you don't want to do is do like a whole workout where you're simulating basketball because you'll just strain your calf again So I would do like a few like a couple sets And slowly progress yourself. Um, just like you would with any other or even just a couple specific exercises just adding that into the routine, right? Just doing a couple of these these exercises that Cory is doing on his instagram I think would be extremely valuable to you and just building it up But I mean it's crazy how um, and I know what it's like. I'm sure because you you have an athletic background Um, and I didn't I really didn't feel this till north of 35 Up into 35. I really felt like I could be cold haven't played basketball forever grab a ball Just a couple weeks of playing ball. I would be adapted and ready to go But man after 35, um, and you know a little bit of that is I think just getting older and not playing Doing a lot of these movements. I also think that it didn't help that I had built built a ton of muscle Since my third my early 30s So all those things are kind of working against you and I as as we age and now it's just it's necessary Like if I'm gonna go play basketball or else I'm doing exactly what you're feeling. I'm feeling strains in my calves I'm potentially tearing my achilles. I rolled level three sprains both ankles I mean I'm of the disaster after 35 when it came to playing basketball and it's because I neglected this shit Hey adam was that second group pj af performance pjf pj at paul fabrits. He's like My opinion one of the guy's one of the best most elite mba basketball coaches and he puts out tremendous amount of free content that is incredible Awesome, awesome. That's a great guys. I really appreciate it. I love your programs. Love everything you're doing really really helpful Thanks, Daniel. Thanks, Daniel. There you go Yeah, you know what it is as you age it's The your a body's ability to adapt in the positive Slows down But your body's ability to adapt and the negative speeds up, right? So it's like If you miss a bunch of workouts in your 20s, you lose some strength and some mobility and some stability, but not super fast When you're 50 Whoa, it goes away. So I mean I remember I would train people over the age of 60 And they miss a month of working out. It was like they stopped working out for six months So you just you adapt in the negative so fast. And so if you don't play basketball For a year when you're 20 It's not that big of a deal You don't play basketball for a year when you're 40 and it's like you got to really prep and get yourself back to that skill Because everything you train is I mean every movement is a skill that you practice Most of the gains you make in whatever skill are pretty skill specific So even though you're working out in the gym all the time If you stop doing these specific sports or athletic endeavors You got to get yourself back to them before you jump right in Yeah, I think that when you're younger, you don't realize what kind of demand like a sport like basketball puts on your body because you're so resilient And as you age, it's it's ever more evident like strength is something you can keep and maintain relatively You know proficiently and also like, you know muscle, but like in terms of explosive strength athleticism You have to do so many extra Um, you know movements and and make sure that you're reinforcing your joints and ligaments all these things like Before you just jump right back in Because yeah, your body just really needs to get conditioned Back in that type of like explosive demand. Well, I also I don't think that I I realized What a difference the weight was going to make because I was in like this guy like right I was like eight nine percent. I was jacked. How much weight were you carrying? How much more weight were you carrying? Yeah, but my body I'm carrying 20 30 more pounds. Yeah, right. So yeah, of course like right hindsight looking back But I think that when you're a fit person like this and you have an athletic background I think your thought process is like, oh, I'll just kind of take and that this was mine Oh, I'll get back and what I used to have like this the way I used to get back into basketball was who I played Basketball with right so I knew at certain times of the day like average playing guys would play this Right. Here's all the old guys. Yeah. Yeah. So and then and then bikes if you wanted like the ballers Saturday morning at like eight o'clock in the morning, you know, that's when all the collegiate guys come in and like So I would work my way there. Yeah. Yeah. So I would work my way That was my way of kind of getting ready But it didn't matter even though I was playing way easier My body still when it was goes to go for a rebound or make a cut left or right It remembers what I did my entire childhood to move like that But now I'm moving 20 to 30 pounds more and I haven't trained that that that new weight of mine Explosively and and it would be my ankles calves and knees. Well, you're also the decelerating part right controlling that So maybe you are stronger in certain movements and maybe you're overdoing the force But you can't you know like slow yourself If you gain 20 pounds of muscle through controlled strength training Most of that muscle is going to be good at controlled strength training If you don't train it explosively you just have a bunch of Strong but not explosive body weight then you go to try to explode And that muscle hasn't been training that way. So it just becomes a liability Well, and I don't think I realized how I could do it to myself Like, you know, of course you think as you get older you're more prone to injury But you still think of like somebody injuring you or you doing something stupid I blew my achilles. I had just laid the ball up made the bucket And then the guys the guys were going the opposite direction I turned and took off to go back the other direction and just that The deceleration like you're saying Justin down from the layup and the jump to the explosive The opposite direction and I literally thought that the guy behind me Stepped on my my it felt like he stepped on my achilles or intentionally hurt me And when I look back there was nobody there. It was all by myself But that's what it just that was the pop But I was all alone, you know, it was all alone and I wasn't doing anything crazy It was literally a layup coming down and then turning and then going back up the court the other direction Throttle the opposite. That's right. Our next caller is man Q from Canada. Thank you. How can we help you? Um, hi, okay. I'm super excited to be here, but um, basically I'll just get right into it So basically I just started a new job. Um, I'm a uni as a personal trainer And like my clients have mainly just been like faculty members and students So I've noticed most of them kind of have like come with like extremely like stiff hips like rounded shoulders And often they're just unable to do like really basic things like squat to parallel like comfortably or like lift their arms up over head Without any compensation. So as a result of that, I've just kind of been Doing a little more a training corporate a little more mobility work when in the sessions that we have So that's often like 10 to 15 minutes at the very beginning Um, like of our sessions like twice a week. However, I've just kind of started to notice that most Most people just aren't as like excited about But like mobility is like all the other stuff and they're often chasing this for like, you know, like me cool stuff for the puppy birdie sensations, which Like, you know are good that that's like not really want to be what I really want to be working on with them right now so my kind of question is like Is there like a best way to implement mobility in A client's workouts just like for example, like when like do I do it before a session like in between breaks? How often and are there like just any ways to make them feel more engaged and excited about mobility in general I really like this question because For most of my career what I train trainers and one of the the hardest things for them to do was to balance this What the client needs and what the client wants right because there is a there is a part of your job Your service based right so they're paying for a service from you And many times they think they know what's best for them And they're going to tell you what they want and then you know as a coach and a trainer what's best And so there is this little dance that you have to do now as you get more and more experienced I think you get better at communicating What they need to do and better at convincing them to basically follow what you say But when you're kind of just getting started, this is a a major hurdle And so I understand a little bit of chance. Are you do you have any of our programs right now? Do you have maps performance? Uh, I don't actually know okay, so like maps performance to me would be a must for you I think having prime pro would be uh, uh a must because there's ways that you can Build some of these movements that you know that they need into their routine without making like the whole Day like a mobility day where they're doing more like corrective type of work and they feel bored So I I would pull from our maps prime pro program And then I would also utilize the the techniques that we have in our uh maps performance program But this is a super common challenge that new trainers have and part of that is You getting better at communicating to them what they need. That's that's everything. Okay. Look, I'll tell you what man Q the You are talking about the most important skill That a coach or trainer will have is getting the the person to understand To trust you. Okay. That's the most important thing because you know adam said, you know balancing what the client wants versus what they need They don't know what they want. That's just the truth They think they know what they want, but they don't know what they want because they're unconsciously incompetent When it comes to fitness, that's why they're hiring you so your confidence and your excitement Is what they're gonna read now if you're not confident. I've seen trainers do this like well Okay, but I think we should do this like of course the client's gonna not gonna listen to you I didn't have this problem I probably a year into my training now the first year I did because my confidence wasn't super great When clients would say I just want to do this and I just want to do that and I thought okay Well, they're paying me I should do what they say later on I became much more confident and they just followed And that's the goal. That's where you want to be you want to get to the point where you're confident You explain what's gonna happen. Here's what we're gonna do it this way Oh, you just want to feel a burn in your arms. Well, you don't need to hire me then Go get a soup can go lift your arm up 50 times by yourself and you can save some money Oh, wait, you want to get in shape then do what I tell you listen trust me this one time And I'll never have to ask for your trust again That's the kind of confidence that you need to display as a trainer and believe me these people Want that they want to hire a trainer and the trainer to say Listen to me. I know what I'm talking about follow me and I'll get you there And the person to be like, you know what? I'm letting go because I totally want that I have no idea what's going on. I've tried doing this before and it just doesn't work So work on your confidence and your excitement because that's what they feed off of They'll feed off of that I've gotten people to get excited about things that you wouldn't think People will get excited about because I'm excited about like getting that get 90 90 on the ground Like most people be like, I don't want to do that. I don't want to run in circles and do jumping jacks and burpees No, no, no, it's they would feed off of my excitement And I would make it intense and I would communicate what's happening to their body And I would point things out to them that they may not normally Identify like did you see that we got your ankle to move up five more inches? How does your back feel? This is what's going to work for your body This is why these communication skills are by far the most important thing that you can have As a good coach or trainer because they have to follow you as their guide. That's ultimately what's going to dictate How long how long you've been listening to the show for thank you Um I hear like two and a half years now. We're not gonna lie Two and a half years you've been fucking listening to us talk and you haven't bought maps performance or maps prime pro Or maps primia and you're a trainer. She's a color. No, I know I don't give me that it's fucking less than a gas a tank bro. Come on. Don't give me that excuse Okay, shame on you shame on you seriously like this you you trainers are the ones I get most frustrated with That haven't made the investment in yourself to learn this stuff If you look at the way our programs are written, they're written for coaches and trainers to learn So it's not just to help people out with this stuff If you go through it, you will get the resources and the tools now. Look you're talking to us right now So we're gonna hook you up for free, but shame on you two and a half years of listening to this podcast Almost for free. You just have to get shamed a little bit. Yeah. No I am I am gonna fucking shame you right now because it's like this is You you your question you have is a very good question. It's very valid But it's very common it's very common But the fact that you haven't taken the a step to Invest in any or how about this watch our free webinars that we have we have a free webinar Okay, you've at least done that. Okay. Thank god. Thank god. You've done less shame less shame Still shame but god damn it I mean use the resources that we are providing you guys to to implement it in with your your clients So I'm convinced this is the this is the most value trainers even provide I mean totally like sell said like you could just rip something off the internet to to make you sweat and burn That's the easiest part of of our job What they need to be convinced of is that you have their back whenever, you know, like You're considering all their joints function. You're considering pain in the future You're drawing up this elaborate plan to get them success Uh long term not just short term success So, you know, it really just amounts to the the amount of communication back and forth with your client Constantly educating them as the why the why you're doing everything why this is setting you up for the next phase You know where you're gonna take them from there So I'm always communicating with them and painting a picture and a vision of where I'm driving the ship So, you know, this is just part of that. That's just a piece in you know in in the formula of success for this client So they need to do it. You know, the the mundane is what's the the hardest for them to do and that's why you hired me Yeah, thank you. Think of it this way. Okay. Imagine if you're about to go through a dense jungle You've never been through it before And you hire a guide and you tell the guide I want to go that way because I think that's the fastest and they go You're crazy. You're gonna die and alligators and each you follow me. I've been through this jungle a million times I know where I'm going. What are you gonna do? You're gonna be like, you know what this person they're really confident I'm gonna follow this guide because they know what they're doing now What if the guide said, well, I mean, I mean, we can go that way, I guess or we can go, you know And you're gonna be like, okay Well, I'll tell you what to do then and then you because I'm in charge now It doesn't work that way. You're the trainer your confidence and how you communicate is everything So they come to you and they say they want to do and you're gonna say to them. Okay, cool I know that's what you want to do. We're gonna do it this way because I'm gonna get you there better Faster and more permanent. Are you ready for this and the person's gonna be like, oh my god I'm so happy I hired a trainer that knows what they're doing Yes, tell me what to do. That's what people want But if you don't have that confidence You're gonna get run over and then you're gonna get a bunch of just order You're just gonna be an order taker in which case you don't need to be a trainer to do that And circling back to something that you said Sal that I think is really important Is and I'm gonna give you a real generic easy thing you can do because you made a comment about Clients which are very common that can't do basic movements like squat all the way down to 90 degrees You take a client one of these clients that can't squat all the way down to degrees You do a couple set four to five sets of some really intense good 90 90s and then some combat stretch And show them. Oh, yeah Let like they literally you can change the way they move in fucking five minutes If you take a person and and show video it if you need to or take a picture of what they look like They're sold and then and then go watch what I'm gonna do to you right now And then spend five minutes doing 90 90s intensely and then five minutes doing combat stretch Then take them right back to that body weight squat and video them and show them Look at how you were just moving before and after this is one time. I'm spending with you doing this Imagine what happens when we start to build a routine around this that you got So you got to use those tools like that to convince them to have trust and faith and that you know Where you're going and then to Sal's point again that it really does stem from your confidence And your ability to help them like that and part of that comes with you also Learning and educating yourself when you know, of course going through the programs that I told you so get your ass through those Thank you. We're going to send you those two programs just because you took that beating from adam. So Thank you so much for calling in okay Okay, I just before before we end like I know I'm like I'm like totally shame on me for not like Not getting any other programs, but I just want to say like I've been listening to you guys for like two years And it's just like really just transformed the way that I kind of like Think about health and fitness and like how I like how I just kind of started reprioritizing like it's fun to do my life And that's just Like that's what I kind of want to do for other people's know I know I know I know I totally should be gone in programs a second I started listening but no we listen we we get we get passionate when we talk to coaches and trainers because those are our Favorite we want you guys to succeed. Yeah, and don't forget. There's three hosts here. You don't have to like all of us Most people don't like Adam But you can definitely like me and your a comes from a place. It's a tough love. It comes from a place of love You're you are on the front line and it does mean a lot to us You guys are really the ones that we know if we help you you have the potential to go help hundreds so in real ways That's right So, you know, it's cool for us to help some people out there that you know buy our programs So with that but the trainers and coaches man, if I can make an impact on you I I can 10x the amount of people we can help so that's it does come from that place. I probably we appreciate your support, man Thank you Thank you. All right Doug did I I didn't make her cry. Did she cry? Okay, that's just I think you're trying you know, why don't you know? I just get I get so Of course with coaches and trainers that of course, you know, well, I mean we listen Man, I wish I had these tools when I first became a trainer. I really do They didn't exist. You had to kind of figure this out yourself or find a good mentor So we put the stuff out there, you know, we think about this is just for the audience Whenever we put out a program the first people we think about are the trainers. That's true Now we know we're writing it for the general population but we think of coaches and trainers because That's our integrity. That's that's you know, what we are but this struggle I mean, I remember having the struggle and there were some clients that were harder Than others to get to trust you. I remember specifically one guy. He was the biggest pain in the ass of all time I hope I hope he's listening. He knows what you know, he knows who he is I ended up training for a while Right, but but initially he was the biggest pain in the ass and he would argue with me With every workout, but I just want to do this. But so I just finally I'll never forget He told me one day and he goes it literally calls me on his way to our session as he's late He's like 10 minutes late and he says listen sal just this one time. I'm paying you just kick my ass That's what I'm asking for just give me one session like that I said, okay, and he he showed up and I made him throw up and I said here's your workout Is that in 15 minutes later? He's out puking and that was our session. I said, you think that was valuable Do you think you got great you're gonna get great results from that and he's like no man I think you're right and I said, yeah, bro. You just wasted that sessions Next time we're gonna do this the right way, but it's really tough I can I get that but if you're confident most people when they hire a coach They just want to trust them. They just want to be like, all right Well, here's the thing we've put so much work in trying to to you know, catapult these trainers. So Really like they're gonna they're gonna bypass like decades of of trial and error with their clients like we're It's all there and I think that's where the frustration is because you know, if I had access to a way to look at it with you know, a fresh Trainer mind where I'm like, oh, wow I should be applying these concepts like right now That's the thing because if I'm not, you know, then I'm just gonna keep doing the same Same things over and over again. I'm gonna let the the client dictate Yeah, you know what the session is gonna entail and the thing is you do have to get educated You do have to go through that but you don't have to keep stumbling your way to get there The the content is there and it's valuable. That's exactly right. And it's not It's not the buying the program that's going to make her the good coach It's her taking the tools that are within the program and applying it to a person after person And then she would have figured that out herself what we just suggested, right? So we talked about the 99 in combat stretch and then being able to impact someone's squat But just buying the program doesn't give you that taking the program and then actually applying it to the your clientele And then starting to see these patterns like oh, shit Anytime I do this this mobility moving with someone I notice their overhead press is amazing Oh, anytime I do this combat stretch all of a sudden they get six more inches in their squat depth like oh my goodness Like you you have to first go out seek the the the information the knowledge and then you have to put it into practice That's where the confidence comes from. Yes So like it's real easy for us to sit over here in our chairs and we'll be like be more confident But it's like being more confident means you have to get out there and apply some of these things that you're learning It starts with making the investment in yourself and learning that's part of it. That's the part where I was ranting about Once you get that then you go take that knowledge go apply it to people and then this shit starts to unfold for you Yeah, but you know how many times I've seen trainers do This stuff that they know they're supposed to do but the trainer seems bored Of course the client's going to be bored. You know, it's like a lot of trainers like look I love training people heavy In deadlifting and that was fun for me But I made sure to dial up the fun act when I would do shit that I know that for them is boring Because they feed off that if I'm bored with it and I'm not confident with it and I'm like, yeah, we gotta do this I know it's being a mobility. It's suck like they're gonna think it sucks too. So that's a big part too Our next caller is Jeff from Connecticut. Jeff. What's happening, man? How can we help you? Hey, how's it going guys? Uh, this is uh, Kind of surreal. Um, been a listener since episode like 500. So Back when we sucked Thank you for staying with us. Yeah So, um, my question is kind of about that, you know, over the years Uh, I feel like I've heard you guys give tons of great Tangible advice on Way on different things you can do to incorporate into your workouts. Um, you know, like specifically Like recently there's been a big, uh Big push for like sled drives. I feel you guys talk about a lot but also things like Uh, indian club and macebell and stuff like that. Um, so my question is if I'm following a maps program And I want to follow it You know, basically as close to a tea as I can because I've seen good results What's the best way to incorporate those different types of moves that I feel like you guys, you know Talk about the benefits of all time. How long have you been following? Uh maps anabolic for? Uh, I've been anabolic Once I'm in performance now. Um And uh, so I was you know, based on like the the next round back through anabolic was thinking about Trying to incorporate or modify slightly That's the that's the way to do it. You know, this is the million dollar question You know, there with strength training. There's I don't know 5,000 different exercises and probably three different ways to do each one So it's impossible to program everything into every program. However, um, adam I know we're adam's leading. It's like once you follow our programs to a tea once or twice You should have a decent grasp on how to modify for your body So like you use the example of the sled, where would you put the sled in maps anabolic? Well, I would on a day where you're going to do squats instead of squats do sled that day and see what happens You know, it's a it's a leg exercise. That would be an easy way May spell Indian clubs. How do you incorporate that? Well, maybe you start your Before you get into your shoulder workout or before you get into your presses You do a few rounds of may spell Or Indian clubs just to kind of get your your shoulders kind of warmed up and stuff, you know, Turkish get-ups Why would I put a Turkish get-up? Very beginning of the workout start your workout with a few Turkish get-ups Then get into your workout and see how it works or do it at the very end It also depends on how you're using these type of unconventional lifts Like are you actually trying to load and make it, you know, a strenuous exercise? And and that's something that I would actually yeah to Sal's point Replace an exercise with that or you could use them as primers Which is something too that you figure that out your own specific needs and routine from our Prime program where you go through the compass test you figure out what zone, you know You need to focus on the most and so that's where a lot of times I'll pull I needed more shoulder rotation So I would do my Indian clubs as a primer before I knew I had like heavy overhead lifts for that day So, you know, there's lots of different ways to uniquely incorporate these unconventional lifts and they're very valuable It just also revolves around the intent of them because you can load them and you can make them an actual Strenuous type of an exercise, but now you're looking at having to replace. Yeah This isn't there isn't a right or wrong answer per se in this because you can use this a bunch of different ways How Sal actually gave the example is exactly how I use all the things you listed I literally love to do the sled so my favorite way to do sled when I'm running like an anabolic program Is when I know I kind of overreached the last time I squatted like I and I'm still kind of sore and I'm like Oh man, I did more than I need to or I loaded more than I need to so today I'm going to drive the sled so I'm kind of giving my body a little bit of extra recovery because it's not as Strenuous on it and so I'm going to load it though. I'm going to load it and I'm going to drive it hard So I'm going to get a great workout from it, but it's still nowhere near as demanding on the body Is like a barbell back squat? So I love to replace that any and how I used to start the workouts and I got that from Justin is the mace I love to do mace and indian clubs before I do any upper body movements. It's just a great It's just a great primer for your shoulders and the shoulders are incorporated in back chest and obviously shoulder work So when I go to do any upper body stuff, I love to prime that and Turkish get-ups I actually uh, I you guys didn't suggest this but I actually even like doing these on like trigger days or off days Yeah, because it's not it's not an exercise that you're going to get like really sore in one specific area It's a total body type of movement. It's like a communication exercise. Yes. I like this. Yeah I think that's a good way to describe it's more of like a communication thing And so I used to love to practice Turkish get-ups on a quote-unquote off day of like heavy loading and training and just Work on my body's communication like to Justin's point Gotcha, gotcha So if I took this a step further and said, you know, like any type of You know exercise or You know Any type of advice you guys give that, you know, I think recently talked about the elbow position for like biceps and triceps If I just you know take that and incorporate it Where I would have done biceps in another You know in another workout and you know instead of doing just normal Barbell curls is like try like preacher curls or spider curls or something like that Yeah, totally and also exactly when you do the higher volume workouts We we think we are that that'll be in there like if you did map split or aesthetic You're going to see the different elbow positions with bicep and tricep exercise But maps anabolic's a lower volume more basic kind of routine, which is more appropriate for most people most of time Yeah, you could totally replace instead of doing dumbbell curls do a preacher curl or a spider curl or something like that for sure That's actually part of why I asked you how many times you've ran anabolic And what you've done and it sounds like you've done anabolic performance is all the things you've listed We've actually incorporated into the other programs like right if you wanted like sled drives and stuff I know you're gonna get you're gonna get some of that and like strong if you wanted to do The only thing I don't think we've included have we done mason indian clubs? No That's the only thing we haven't done is make but that's a great I mean those are great for the mobility days on performance. Yeah, yeah, but I mean Turkish get-ups sled work I mean that we do spider curls all those movements those are those have been built into every program So you do get a if you do go through other programs you will get a chance to do that and that's why we do it We do it so If you run through all the programs you get kind of a taste of all these different movements And then hopefully our our goal always is whether you're a coach or you're just an average person going through all these programs Is once you've gotten through them you get this full grasp of okay I get yeah what these guys are doing here and then you can do what you're trying to do right now Which is hey, I really like anabolic if it's my schedule Well, my body responds well to it But I also understand the value the guys say of all these other movements And so exactly what you suggested is a great way for you to implement that into anabolic All right. Cool. That's that's awesome. Yeah So I'll take that you know, maybe swap some things out With uh some different movements, you know get my hands on a sled and see where that goes. Hell. Yeah, man Have fun with it. Awesome. Thanks for calling in Jim. Awesome. Thanks guys. You got it This is the fun part uh If you listen to our show and you follow our programs It's it's obviously it's going to be fun in the beginning because you're going to see your body respond like it's never responded before But it gets really fun when you start to Learn how to listen to your body and implement changes and individualize your own routine This is when it gets real exciting Because then you get to have some fun and individual and nothing is Our programs as good as they are they're just not individualized So when you get to the point when you run them once or twice And then you start to tweak it for your specific body. Man, that's when things really get enjoyable Not only that I think this is also how you stay sane for decades and decades of training. Keep it interesting. Yeah, I mean, uh Not to say like you can't you know, enjoy one of our programs and and cycle through it But at one point you mean it would only take what to get through all of them a couple years At best, right? If that two years to get through I don't know Yeah, probably two years two and a half years to get through all once you've kind of gone through all of them Like, you know, just to keep repeating them would probably get really old after a few years of doing that I would want to be able to Play with it modify and take things that I learned from You know maps performance take things I got from strong and I mean, that's literally how I train right now My training does not look like a a specific maps program I take our philosophy And I love to mix and match totally different movements that I'm interested in well Yeah, and this is really what led me into unconventional lifts in general was just trying to seek a bit of novelty and something there that was Could maybe fill the gap to Some of the training habits that I had established already and so like all those years of just foundational, you know barbell training. It's like You know to find certain lifts that had that those certain elements you can't get a lot of rotation Especially with the upper body and so some of these that he'd mentioned were like such a huge Fit for me that really unlocked even more potential. I could squeeze So there's just like opportunity for that Once you get through and and create that that base level foundational strength Yeah, no and look if you work out and you do it, right? It's a it's an it's a journey forever and it changes and morphs depending on the context of your life and your body And what you're looking to do and it never Gets boring if you're really paying attention and never gets boring. It just improves the quality of your life Look, if you like the show you like our information. 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