 All right, well, I'm going to call the meeting to order 609. And I just wanted to check in with the board because the amount for the initial consultation with Jackie was different than what I thought it was when we had our initial board meeting. And so I just wanted to make sure that everyone was on board with going ahead and having this initial consultation. I did get an email from Jackie, and she said she didn't think it would take the full five hours or that she wouldn't use that full amount of time, but the charge is $120 per hour. We have an allotment of five hours that we can use. And then from there, we'll work with Jackie to figure out another contract. So we would sort of do a piecemeal moving forward after this initial consultation in terms of doing sort of an assessment of what the board needs and what the board wants for training. So what I need is direction from the board in terms of a motion to direct me to either engage in this contract or to not engage. And I would imagine we might want to have some discussion about sort of whether or not we want to do this. Anne, can you just outline directly the changes? So what we were presented last meeting, I know there's an email that I could refer to right now, but it might just be easier to say, what's the cost for these five hours total? So the cost for the five hours is $120 per hour. What Jackie is going to do is consult with the board. It would be probably about a one-hour meeting with the board. She also wants us to do a self-assessment ahead of time to just sort of get a chance to sort of think about what's working, not working, what our challenges are as board members and as a board as a whole. And then also she was going to, in her work with us, just sort of review with us what policy governance is and isn't, and then sort of try and assess or have us look at what it is that we are struggling with as a board in terms of our working together and understanding our policies and working with our policies. And then we would move forward from there. So before what the board had wanted was to have somebody kind of work with us and basically take our policies and work with us to rewrite them. And that's not exactly what they offer in policy governance because that's not, that rewriting of the policies is the board's work in policy governance. So there isn't sort of a consultant that can do that for you and say this is the right way that the policy should be written. So she would be more working with us to assess is this system working with for us what it is? So what is policy governance? How, what it is and what it isn't? How it's working for us currently and what we're struggling with and then help us make a plan for what we might need in terms of further education to really look at our policies and work with our policies. I mean, I don't, I do feel like the first section sounds a little bit redundant from what we just did with, was it Susan Brown and all those modules? But I'd love to hear Rachel and Brian and Megan like what you're thinking. Hi, can you guys hear me? Yes. OK, sorry, I'm so sorry I was late, I forgot. So I think, so we just did the training with all of those chapters online, which was helpful. And I definitely was thinking that this was going to be a little bit more about policy review, but I'm not opposed to the training. I think it would be helpful for us. I think I was thinking that it definitely was going to be more based on our policies, how they should be. But if it's something that they're going to be able to guide us to figure out, I feel like that's going to be more helpful because I definitely don't know whether our policies are where they should be. And I'm not saying that they're right or they're wrong. I just don't know. So I think in a sense, it would be helpful. It's definitely a time commitment, but it sounds like it may not take as long as we're thinking. And maybe I missed this and I'm sorry. Did she say that we would have more time than just before? I think it was February that you initially had proposed. Well, what she's going to do is she's going to meet with us initially and just do sort of an assessment of where we're at. And then from there, we can do some further training. And she has been working with policy governance as a superintendent. So she's going to be less about what we got from those modules, which is this is policy governance and this is how it works. And these are the principles it's based on. She'll give us a little bit of a look at that, but she's going to look more at, practically, this is what you do with policy governance. OK, so we don't have to fulfill the five hours before February, though? No, and it's actually the five hours is her time in PrEP. So the five hours includes her meeting with us for PrEP time for the meeting. So that's what the five hours is. So it's just really going to be one meeting with us initially. OK, I mean, I think I feel like I'm fine with it. Did you figure out you're unmuting Brian? No, do you? Your chat's coming through, though. But you're OK. OK, so in your chat came. Let me see if I can see your chat here. Yeah, so but you're you're a go with you. You're you're on board. OK, Rachel, any any thoughts? Nothing really to add. I think nothing original other than nothing and nothing beyond what has already been said. I think having a more practical approach that's different than what we just did could be valuable. And the only way we'll know is if we try it. OK, yeah. And I would say that's what Jackie was selling in terms of what she could do for us is just she could she could. She's a practitioner was the big thing that she was saying. So she can sort of help us understand how to how to work the system and really look at our policies, which is ultimately what I was what I've been hearing from folks is we want to be able to be able to look at our policies and understand whether or not we need to change anything or not. So I think she'll be able to help guide us in that direction. We engage the my god. What is the SBO? What is it? The SBA I'm I'm sorry. It's the SBA in this training. OK, do we have a second? You can raise a hand. All right. Second from Brian. Any more discussion regarding engaging the BSBA for this contract for an initial assessment? OK, all those in favor, please say I or raise your hand and up. And there's Megan. She's got one. OK, so the motion passes. That is all that we have for this meeting. So I'm always forgetting whether or not we have to have a motion to adjourn. Do we have a no motion to adjourn? So the meeting will then end in 20 minutes. There we go, Brian. I tried and we'll see you all at the next board meeting. And I'll I'll let them know at the BSBA. Thank you. All right. All right. Good night, everyone. Thank you.