 Welcome to Toffy TV, where there's a lot of talk out there at the moment about fan protests, atmosphere of goodersham, what is the best for the football club moving forward, well I've got Chris Hannon here from the altogether now movement who's helped try to get the evidence fans mobilised a little bit to try and create a better evidence Chris, as far as I can see. Obviously a lot of people on Twitter have been asking us, we've seen them in the comments, have been talking on Saintly the game on Saturday against Bremford about what is the best thing to do in terms of do we have protests, how do we get the atmosphere better than the game. From your point of view, what do you think is the best thing and what will be happening on Saturday? So to begin with it'll be the same details as the other marches on Saturday at three o'clock, so we'll be meeting at two at the oak and then marching up. Peaceful protest like the rest of them, they've been brilliant, everyone's been, I'm actually brave, I think it shows that the difference in the police presence from the first one to the last one, that you know we're not there to be daft and do daft things, which obviously I can't force anyone else to be there. No one can, but everyone's behaving well, especially the kids there, the women there, so that's been brilliant. So we'll walk through as we have been to the director's entrance, have a sing song, tell him what we're thinking and basically get on with your day hopefully. People get a bit riled up a bit of adrenaline and get on the ground and it increases the atmosphere of goodness, in which it has done, definitely did three hours, not getting my fourth, maybe not so much for the ones coming on from that, but it can help and as we've seen I think we've lost one, one, two so it doesn't affect the team. People won't have that opinion, in my opinion it couldn't be further from the truth like so. For me it's got to keep happening until something happens because if you want to be good at anything or if you're going to get any results at anything you need to be consistent and we can't give our board or our football club, you know, abuse and tell them that they're terrible because they're inconsistent or they're reactive instead of proactive and not be that way ourselves. As a group of fans who are against what they've done for my whole life basically. Just gives a little bit of a background then to your part in this and the movement as a whole because obviously last year it was the 27 year campaign which had a decent start but then sort of petered out. There was a lot of things getting said on social media about who's in charge, how's it being run, why are people being left out. Why is it different this time and what are the objectives and aims of what you're trying to do? So a bit of context on me, I was invited into the 27 campaign, if you remember the protest about Pereira at the Dixie Dean statue and at that point I was on my amateur 42, my manager 42, like I was on there Twitter, obviously a follow out of everything and stuff. I come off Twitter personally years before that and when this Pereira was going to get the job, I was just like no way you can get the job and I was speaking to people and it's like where gone have you got to this job? And loads of people in agreement, obviously in the WhatsApp groups that I was in, everything groups and stuff like that, I was like we need to do something about this so I just knocked the PDF up of let's get to gooderson and show them that we don't want him, we don't want Cajar Absion because he was obviously the link. And I just thought even we got 200 people, spoke to a sky, spoke to a couple of people that I know, we knew people in the media and thought if we got up and there was a really good turnout, strategically planned to be in a place where it looked really good turnout, you know what I mean like you've got to. So then it kind of got me speaking to Katie, I spoke to them for years, we used to go on a coach together for years and obviously just say hi to them and then got me speaking to them a bit and he was like do you want to come into this campaign, your ideas, you like what your ideas are and I've been going and matching myself. I've had the season ticket now for more, I'm going to be 28 season tickets, I think I'm going to be in it next week. I've been going home in a way all my life, shows me how fella, I think there's about 13 or 14 season tickets in our family so people who go with the match, you know you see faces and you know who's going so he was like come in and see what you think so ended up going in now and we had a bit of success like you said at the start and then there was mistakes made by all the success. Maen nhw'n meddwl am yr hyn, nid yn gwneud ar gyfer, yna'r wneud hyn ar gyfer. Rwy'n ddodw i'r radd. Mae bale ddweud y gallu gawaith. Mae'r bach yn enw'n ddull i'r bwyl ifancau. Dwi'n dweud i chi'n ddweud o'r ffordd. Mae'n ddweud i chi fod y gallu. Mae'n ddweud i chi fod yma, mae'n ddweud i chi fod yw'r sgwybod. A wnaeth y gallu, mae'n meddwl y pwyl yn ôl, Ion Twitter. People had argued for them. I'm just like, I can't be bothered with this anymore. So I left. I said, good luck. I'm leaving. If you want any input from me, drop me a text. I still speak to Paul sometimes. Obviously, I kept in touch with Jeremy Hanna, Hans Tubbs, Hanna, and then I destroyed the brothers back for me. I went to Bournemouth away in the cup and I was coming home and knew that my bed was going out in the morning and it was two, three o'clock in the morning. I was up as soon as the baby got up. I was like, I'm sick of this shit. I've had enough. So we started having conversations. Spoke to a cup of the lads off the brick. I went to Bournemouth on the brick. The lads from who we go to game with and they were like, yeah, something needs to be done. He should have went down Lampard, really. He still had the fans back in and to be honest, I back them still then because he was a nice fellow. At the end of the day, there's no room for sentiments, is there? And they just dawdled and waited and didn't interview anyone and sacked them when it was too late. Put it this way, they just sacked them in December, showing that I shouldn't be our manager, would they? I like the fact that he's our manager. You look at the form table now. He's doing an all right job on that and I think he will do eventually. I do think he'll get to, well, I hope he gets to a ceiling, which will again cost us more money because, but that's just us in a nutshell and obviously I own a few businesses myself and I kind of see things in business that, in evidence, I'm just like, what are these people getting advised? How are these? And I started looking into it like Denise. What's Denise's history and how she's the CEO of it? Probably what this year will be a quarter of a billion pound company or we was last year, last book. If we ever get them for this year, we'll probably be a little bit more with increased revenue but not what we should be increasing and when you look back at us as a club in the 90s, we were on a level peg and with probably, I think there was 18 teams that started in the Premier League, they're probably on a level peg and with 16 of them. Maybe Man United and Liverpool were a little bit elevated to us, maybe Arsenal and we were the third most successful team in the country and we just gone down and down and down and the FA Cup was, to be honest, it was luck when it, that we won the FA Cup. We grafted and we had dogs of war and all. We were in the middle of a relegation battle when he took over. So you take that out of it. We've been terrible for 30 years haven't we? And it gets to a point where someone's got to take the flack for that and I've seen things in the past about Cymraeit and Cymraeit out and Cymraeit this and I want them gone. I do want them gone but I want the clubs to just start again, even the fan base. I've seen a tweet last night about, we need to get rid of that evident now. People say, that's just, like I've just said before, we've become a product of our football clubs environment and I was speaking about sponsorship before seeing rumours about this MSP taking over and they're saying that they're going to be coming in and wipe the debt and I believe it when I see it, whatever. But we've got no ambition to get a decent sponsor. We have to go back and go back on our way to get a sponsor, whether you agree with it or not. So how are we going to have ambition on the pitch? We're not and until something changes, I was on another pod the other week and said that one of the main things in business for me is people say shit rolls down now or blame rolls uphill but it doesn't have everything and it never has. Not once have you ever had someone at everything and an executive level come out and say we got that wrong. Sorry, Masheedy come out and said we got it wrong but because you told us to, you told us to go. Lampard or no one did tell them to get a lampard. So it's something's got to give and for me it's the perfect time for that to happen because of where we are as a club and where we are with the owner and don't get me wrong, I'd love him to sell to me. That's not going to happen is it? So I think if we can push them to get rid of the board then we'll be looking back on this in ten years time as a fan base and go, thank God we did that, hopefully. I think you're absolutely right. I think something's got to give. I think you mentioned last season at the end of the season but even at this point last season the fans actively made the decision and a lot of the people you spoke about there were actively part in that. A lot of people that I see when I've been to the marches are the same people who help them with the coach welcomes and who Frank Lampard met and this is something that always makes me laugh because when you hear people talk about things like stopping the coach, sorry stopping the marches and getting people in the ground, I often think well what about the other 35,000 people, what are they doing to help them and I don't mean being at the marches, I mean why is it the same people who are asked to go back to the wel again and again and again, the people who go to all the away games, the people who do the coaches, the people who did the bus welcome last season, now they're doing the marches, why is it up to them to not do a march and get into the ground daily, why aren't the other 35,000 set an example and saying no you people outside you're doing the march, we're waiting inside the ground trying to get the atmosphere going and that's where I often, this whole thing makes me laugh about it's always your fault, the people who got up 27 minutes against Arsenal, your fault, it's like the blame is put in the wrong place and you're saying there, when is the blame going to be attributed to the people who got us here, when is it going to be attributed to the board and the owner and those kind of people and I find it just really fascinating that it's the same people who have to do this all the time and because as you mentioned there, I went to a meeting that you spoke at really well and the list of things you can attribute to the board and Fard Masheri, it's incredible isn't it? It is incredible and do you know what, it's astounding, some of my best mates have read and they've seen the stuff that I've done podcast wise and why they're watching everything podcast, how have you stood for it, they got Hicks and Gillette House, they all go on about that, we got Hicks and Gillette House and we're not far off that position, we've got a spade in the ground haven't we, we've got much steel in the ground but we're not really that far off financially, we're not far off financially meltdown from what I've seen, the fact that they've asked for an extension on the books because the shareholders haven't had them so, they must have asked for an extension which can be common, I've just asked for one myself on my books which are millions and hundreds of millions of pounds less than theirs so I understand but that's not why they've asked for an extension, they've asked for an extension because the petrified are putting them out there and being ripped apart and the finger being pointed at them again because it's just another nail in the coffin for them but it's like you say about the other people in the ground, one thing for me, why we had the meeting and we're going to probably have another meeting, I'm just waiting on an answer to the International Weekend which people said they'd be interested in doing another one is the fact that if you bring people in to, whether it's a campaign or whatever, I don't like calling a campaign or a movement then one of the ideas might be great and your ideas might get, you know, Baz on side, my ideas might get my mates on side and a lot of the time it is easier for people to get when you can identify with someone but I'm just, I'm a normal person but someone who's an accountant or a solicitor might come in and go I've got these ideas and the way they put it will get in to other people and it's just, it's making it a movement of the whole fan base and it can say about the people in the ground, what are they doing? People always, I just mute people on Twitter and they start giving you, but you know, sometimes I'll have a read of it and I mute them or whatever but they always say, well what about this or what about that and I say what about coming to the meeting and raising it? I must have said it to 20, 30 people on the lead-up to the meeting and none of them come, if I was in their shoes I'd like to think that in that position I'd come and go to me, whatever this is to me, Twitter handle, what about this? But no, they do it to try and wind you up to get a thing off you and to get a reaction off you and then you've lost that haven't you, really, so on Twitter terms anyway so there is thousands of people in that ground, I know for a fact I'd go as far to say that there's 95% of that ground who are unhappy with the position we're in, 100% of the ground are unhappy that we're in a relegation battle. Yeah of course, and that's all it comes down to isn't it? I have been involved in these things for years and years and the perception is obviously a big thing on these things and how people perceive them from the outside and to think that people are just trouble causes and are doing it for their own ends or whatever, you don't speak for me and all that but there has to be a tipping point doesn't it, there has to be and every single person will have their own tipping point where they've seen it, I grew up listening to the lies and thinking that they were true, I grew up, I was growing up and when we were getting balloted to move to the King's Dock and then obviously Caby, and the way Bill Kenwright told us about Gwldersham Park, I believed it, I was one of those people we all, that's why I don't try and get in people's faces about it because I understand people out there will, they don't take things like everybody else, they'll see something on Twitter now and go it's a lie because they're seeing it on Twitter or on the internet, I don't move into Caby was the only thing we had and thankfully there were people like Dave Kelly around and Robbie who fought it because they knew better, they'd been involved they were more experienced in trade unions and stuff whereas I was like, that fellow just told me Gwldersham Park's falling down, we have to go the building's on fire, we have to go and thankfully there was a few adults and I think that's why I don't always, sometimes I do but you don't want to jump in two feet on people you want to give them their own chance but it is giving them that information isn't it and trying to provide them that information and saying, it's a big list, it's a list and sometimes people don't know what we see, it's a list because everyone portrays people like Bill Kenwright as the saviour, as Everton Football Club and people like he done this and he done that if it wasn't for him we wouldn't have done this and it's like, yeah but if we hadn't had them we would have done a lot more maybe if Peter Johnson, people like Peter Johnson but he won as a trophy and he built as a stand so you know I know it wasn't great under him but you know Paul Gregwood's stage it's like being loads of sliding doors where Bill Kenwright has had that he's had that because he's got that presence and clearly you know people do think he's a fantastic player you know I've never met him, I've never been his prince but I can understand he's got a saying charisma about him, he's a blue, a lifelong blue and he gets saying people around him you know I've had to re-morgage your house you haven't had to re-morgage your house mate sorry you can't re-morgage your house to save the football club but he's done that for years and years and people have bought into it and we are where we are now because of a lot of that and I suppose it's about changing that narrative isn't it and getting across to pure facts of where we are and how we got here I think why that stuff failed one is the internet wasn't what it is now and obviously there wasn't podcasts and fan channels that wasn't Twitter accounts with thousands and thousands of followers that's a big issue which played into not only his hands but say like politicians hands as well and then obviously there was the issue of him making his lies or whatever he was they've been proven to be lies so they've just gone and fans just like make them as a joke now and it's funny and that's our fan base you know what that's a really good point though because a lot of it does come down to that thing like you've just said that event and that thing of like well what you'd expect it's event now you get that thing of you say well why can't we do it this way and people will just say well you can't because it's event you can't change it but you can't you can't change anything any day you want you can you can change the way you do things any day you want you can change it one person at a time don't you what you were saying last week about if this investment comes in and there's new people on the board someone said would you stop and I was like well if you bring a new chairman in then you need to like if you bring a new managing you've got to give them time regardless of the situation of the club so if you bring a new chairman he's probably going to need more time if you bring a new CEO in they're going to need time so just on that point then I'll take it back to maybe something slightly different there is the managerial situation you always give them time but would you look at it almost like you know when anyone goes on strike say and then whoever's on strike with the government or whatever they'll bring them back to the table so they'll suspend the strikes would you be prepared to say because obviously this is going to happen for the rest of the season aren't either marches as it stands every home game is going to be a march isn't it it's open now well no no but as it stands isn't it that's the plan isn't it that's the consistency so if MSP does come in are you going to be prepared to stand down almost in that come to the I know it's not going to be you're not actually going to go to the table with them but what I mean is are you going to be prepared to say because we've come back because we've come these have come in we're prepared to just stand down and see what happens because I think one of the big failings of the 27 campaign was I said it at the time and I've said this to Paul the ask is when when everton when brands left everton ahead of the Arsenal game that walk out for me should have been stood down because I think and I'm not saying the club would listen to the fans but for me that should have been a sign of goodwill on both sides someone's left the club we've listened to here because the message you'd already been put out there by the fans it was a brilliant message we're going to do this walk out and what happened afterwards was because the walk out didn't seem like a massive thing people then went there's no one involved and no one's actually bothered you're the massive minority and that's where this is where media and things get brought in can make things look different from what they are well it's similar to when the walk out happened sorry the march happened before the Leeds game everton went and a few people who quite clearly haven't got the message stayed behind afterwards luckily the media didn't make a big thing of that but they could have, they could have gone look everton fans used to have won, you're not bothered whereas the message wasn't really going to be a sit in after Leeds anyway but so that's why I think that's why I think it's interesting if would you be prepared to sort of stand down if MSP do come in? I said at the time when Masheery Boaters he can't be an idiot, he's a billionaire and he's proved massively wrong do you know what I mean but MSP come in then regardless of what we do or say they're going to come in and they're going to make them changes if they've waft the salts and the waft being an investor which they obviously they're on a couple of other boards aren't they sports wise then they're not going to rip it up and start again they will slowly change things and they'll say right and if Ken Wright goes I think he'll go because on health terms to be honest whether that's the reason why he goes but he's nearly 87 so if they come in and say right you're 77 you're the chairman of a company we've just invested 100 million quidl whatever it is they're investing they're going to be like you're not fifth of purpose are you really so I think he will go if he doesn't go there'll be a lot of people who want to keep protesting because they've got an agenda against him I haven't got an agenda against Ken Wright it's not impersonal he's not fifth of purpose, he's not good enough if he was a right back it'd be the same I've always said this the same with Denise she done really well charity that was cash rich anyone could do well out of charity that's cash rich so if that's what you're good at stick to what you're good at if she needs to stay here and be the everything in the community chair woman or whatever then go and do that that's fine I've got no issue with it sharp it's not even worth discussing he's just on the board, Steve Bull's on Wool's board and I love him still so he could turn that round sharp I hope he does listen we don't he's a hero he's a legend he should be looked as a legend and what's happened in the last year or so and for some people it doesn't make a difference it makes a difference for me I'm too young for sure I was born in 1989 but my old fella loves him I've been to loads of dinners where he's been there and he'll hang off everywhere I've seen what he's said in the past and I'm just kind of like he's a legend for me that makes it even worse he's a legend for my dad's generation it doesn't really bother me but seeing somebody I think is like your dad's you don't want to ever see you grow up you're that mum or daddy hero you don't want to see them ever let down by anybody that they love so for me that's even worse that he might be my dad's hero I'd expect him to stay on the board to be honest because they do need to say about a fan on the board people say about a fan on the board I don't think it'll ever happen but I don't think it's a good idea to have someone on the board who's just on there to be a fan because you'll get people in their ears you need someone who's a fan but who's experienced at being on the board or someone who's do you know there's people who've owned and people who've got cameras who's on the board who's an Evertonian so that didn't work but someone on there with sharp or as a fan who can say right yeah but this is what Everton about they say we kept Duncan Fergs not to show these new managers what we're about I half get it but surely that's down to us to do that because it's us we've made Everton about that on our families over the years haven't we just on that point then I mean something I've mentioned a couple of times on the channel and I think Sean Dice has obviously mentioned about wanting to learn more about what the situation is for me my opinion, my personal opinion is Sean Dice should sit down with a couple of yous the same way that Frank Lambert sat down a couple last year with a couple of a few more when everyone was going great and it was blue skies and blue smoke and everything else I think Sean Dice should take an hour of his day just to sit down with people and go what's the issues not sort anything out just hear what the issues are why you know and maybe I don't know we've obviously got a situation where we haven't got the bus welcome and stuff no issue with that I don't think right now we should be making cup finals out of these games because I think to be honest I think the players are built I think that could come later on but I do think it's important for the manager to understand, to speak to some fans because he seems like the kind of fella who would get it he's media savvy in his own way so it's being an ever manager and you need to say certain things to get the fans onside don't you or you need to do a big tech after five minutes it's basics for us as a team anyway it's basics to be able to get us on or the referee gets us on our seat mode and the players that says a lot about our players though the amount of times where the referees give a fell or freeing a row and then that's it everyone's up and the game changes and then the team change Dice could do that very easily and the differences have been decent and he has said certain things which maybe if he does want to know more surely someone in a football club wouldn't say this is where we're going wrong and this is where they pissed off they've never gone to because that's just not the way the football club runs it's just not there doesn't seem to be an ability to do that but personally I don't even think there should be any bells and whistles about it I think Shaun Dice should meet a few of yous privately and just give a chat and don't even publicise it don't put it out there, doesn't make it strong and dance because that's what the club would love that the club that's why the Frankland party was a big thing last season because the club loved it and they put it out there put smiles on everyone's faces I think it should be a private conversation where it's just like tell me what's going on tell me why you're doing what you're doing and ultimately he's still an employee but he'll have a better idea of why fans feel the way they do because I noticed in the first press conference when he said a couple of things and I didn't like them at all and Alan Stubbs actually picked up on it when he did the BT game for the Arsenal game and he was saying like why is he he's sort of questioning the fans in the first press conference so who's told them that and I think it'd be nice if he got a chance to hear from a couple of fans of why they feel the way they do because obviously it's a big story and where there's 2,000 to 3,200 people doing the march the media are on this now but you'll have to have seen yesterday the stories in national newspapers about the reasons why he's not prepared to sell now whether any of it's real or unreal and there will be nuggets of truth in there the media are going to keep going and going and going because they know now they've got a story and they're just going to keep pulling that thread till something does happen January is the transfer window it was quite quiet February is dead so everything was big news well everything's protests are big news you're probably going to stay in there because it's still a massive club to Sky or to whoever and the fans are kicking off and it's going to stay on the news and at the end of the season it's Champions League spots it's league titles and relegations so it's kind of coincided nicely with the media's programme so to speak or the timetables and great but it's sort of not needs to stay in the media but it also I don't think the media like the NSI now try and target the media and try and get stories in through people that they know and stuff it's great and Paul does a bit of writing for an Irish paper I think is the Sentinel or something like that and they're always great pieces and stuff but how many Evertonians read that and is that going to change Evertonians to is Mishiri going to read that or is someone going to pick Mishiri and go there's 3,000 people outside the library building so that's what's going to scare them so that's what's going to make a decision or these new people who come in are going to keep seeing it and keep seeing numbers because numbers are everything aren't they I always that first one against Arsenal I was like we've picked this route because it's a simple route a lot of people walk up that road and if we can get them over but the noise was loud way in it and it was the videos that picture from above was brilliant we tried to get a fellow of those drones to come to them but something to do with you to do with a certain times and I don't know all that but it's what it looks like a lot of the time and it looks brilliant and it has looked brilliant but it will dwindle off so the biggest thing for me which could be impossible is incorporating into people's routines like I said this in the meeting like my routine used to be I'm out for 10 o'clock or I'm out for 12 o'clock and I'll go to where the spoons have a pint to get the train or whatever and that's the routine other people's routines are different so we need to try and incorporate a march someone mentioned dropping me a message on Twitter and said about why don't you get groups of people at each booze around the ground and march from them boozes to a central point which is probably the park end and do that and then it's people incorporating people's routines I'm out for that the logistics of it, I don't know if it's possible or if there's only 20 people outside the pub I'll be honest from what I've seen so far and I've been on all three marches the roof from the oak to the main reception is the best thing for me it's just getting people to join in and I've marched and I've got no problems I'm part of being involved in the march because I want myself to be a number I just feel other people who agree who are there I would like to think they could give 15 minutes a day time because that's all it is there's plenty of people who don't agree with it get yourself in the ground and start building the atmosphere then for the game for me it's appealing to those people who are standing there filming it get involved as far as I'm concerned because the reason I do is to time make heaven a better seat that's all I care about I don't care about the players I don't care about who the manager is I really don't all that I'm done with all that I have a saying coldness about me when it comes to these people because I've got to say the nice things or horrible things about them weekly so all I care about is the club and everything being better and just having everything to do opposite a club like Beninford without doing that stupid meme this is heaven football club surely there's fans out there who believe the same way or believe about the football club believe they want a better heaven football club I think it's hard 44 you've got 10 years on me it's hard for people who are my age to have that way of thinking about heaven and spoke to my dad and my dad was like I was like we should have won I would have took up points if you can guarantee me we're going to beat Beninford at all and my dad was like nottingham forest go to nottingham forest and we beat with everything and I'm like oh it's great you saying that because you've been to Rotterdam you've seen us win league titles and FA Cups I went to the charity shield I didn't mean great and I've been to a cup final they haven't done to me they haven't done that to you and that's down to me and what you would say when the march is on there isn't one overwhelming demographic there is that it's people of all ages and therefore there is that mix amongst them but surely there must be people who've seen heaven in the 80s who feel once you get a bit of success it was 30 years ago but once you've had that and you remember them days surely that's going to make you more inclined whereas I've never had it and my dad tells me about it my uncles tell me about it older lads will go to game with tell me about it and it wrecks my head every time every time I sign a player from a club and oh yeah we signed someone from Burnley and we've signed someone from Burnley and he's going to be the new Trevor Steven or I'm just like you know what I mean he's going to be to me a new Novalente that's it isn't it it's just about getting some faith in your football club to do the right thing and do it the right way I thought last season I'll be honest the coach welcomed the first one I was mortified I was like this isn't heaven people mentioned about it in the 27 campaign about getting scarfs and few people mentioned it now about a certain colour of scarf as a visual protest and as far as I'm concerned scarfs relate to them for me growing up but then Sarah one of the girls who was in it was like no no look at this and show me everything with a first everything with a first everyone used to wear scarfs all the time we did everything first and I was like wow I didn't know that it's never happened for whatever reason but I'm just like the way we are as a fan base I used to dismiss things because you've got to be educated and you can take a horse to water you can't make it you think but if you put the information in front of people's eyes eventually it'll turn and hopefully that's what's happening mention about flyers and stuff like that it's basic but that's the way things used to get done and I think that's the generation we're missing because your generation, my generation are pissed off but they're on social media a lot of the time they get it rammed down so it's basically you need to accept it or not you spoke about social media before social media can be used for massive good but we've also seen it can be used for massive deceit, we've seen that in the last ten years in politics the amount of bots that get onto me about things now I've seen things that Gary Lennon has done about things and you go in the comments and you see the amount of bots and there's so much out there there's so many people out there there's so many fake accounts out there loads of it and I think that's a big part of it how do you break through how do you get to each person's medium is it a fanzine is it a video like this is it a younger podcast is it whatever people listen to it you've got to get on it and get your point across and be able to just appeal to that one person who's listening because no one's sitting there you're not here as the head of anything you're just there doing your bit as far as you're concerned you spoke about before a Gullison a Gullison that night it was so impactful because it was like it happened without any anything behind it it wasn't a 27 campaign it was just Evertonians who were concerned who all got together and I think that's all I would say and it's something I reiterate all the time is that if you feel passionate about this be a good, be a good, be a good a clock on strategy and walk up that road like you would any other time just walk up the road when you get to the road or go in the ground of a bevy and start the atmosphere going for me that was one thing we tried to push into a club last season is deals in the ground and pushing things like that that's gone out the window completely with the club but far as I'm saying I've pissed up Gullison it's the best Gullison there to be so why can't people incorporate that and go right we'll do this, we'll get in the ground for 20 past and we'll have two pints in the ground and that'll generate a better atmosphere better numbers on the way up and then everyone's a winner aren't they and hopefully we get three points and it's great and people are like that was all right that few of my mates who I'd never expect to come so any of the marchers come in and go do you know what, it's my routine it's changed and I actually enjoyed it I've actually been to everyone and I'll have a quick one on a whimslow and then I go in, we're all in the top balcony and by the time I've got to me C to 5 to 2 do you know I've had four pints that I wouldn't have normally had anyway so everyone's a winner I don't have a routine I got out the house a little bit earlier now to make sure I'm down there for the march but for me because of Gullison I don't drink so all that sort of things doesn't matter to me to me Gullison I can't wait I can't wait to move I'm counting the days, I watch every video on the ground because I can't wait to move because to me there's not enough appeals to me around Gullison because I don't drink and when you do get in the ground it's dead sometimes they don't even have games on that but the arts are going to me was like a perfect day to me got there there's a bit of fan movement representing the fans themselves because we're the most important thing no matter what anyone says we're not a club that can exist without its local fan base even though I appreciate all in the fan base we just simply can't exist without our fan base so it was great to have a little bit of that get in the ground see a team, respond give us something to give back great atmosphere when we were in the game which no one is expecting to me that was a perfect day that's what people say about every time we get beat so we draw, we're down, we're down, we're down I just feel like that's everything if we're going to win we're going to beat Chelsea but we're going to get beat by Bramford that's what we've done well to be honest that's what we've turned ourselves into you don't want to go to Goodison but if you were going to pick a team to play at home that's where we are at the moment and again that is manufactured out of failure from top to bottom no it is, you're absolutely right because some of the things you've just said there and some of the things you said there they are byproducts that we've created as a fan base we say it all the time, the people's club we go the game, all this kind of stuff local fans, we go to we've created these things as badges of honour because originally the club and whoever they dealt with realised that's how they pulled this in to make it so we're not it isn't cop IPAV, cop IPAV is winning trophies don't care what anyone says, it's winning trophies that's what we used to aspire to then suddenly we stopped aspiring to that and we started to aspire to making sure they didn't win the league and making sure we were having parties if someone beat them in the Cup final someone beat them to the league and that become our triumph somewhere down the line that came our thing because the people who run our football club have managed the chairman of our football club right now destroyed our ambitions and there's no other way to look at it as far as I'm concerned and the faster we get these people out of our football club that's the only way that's the only opportunity to change it and due to his age it'll be a deck of cards obviously if he goes, Denise goes, Ingle's will probably go sharp or take it, I don't know but due to his age it's gone and happened so why doesn't he only use his brain and go right I think he's on side here and maybe a little bit on side and get rid of the camera right would you get rid of the camera right now? right now I wouldn't I would have got rid of him day one and been like right look at anyone who's been successful and take over but I wouldn't have because he's a buffer for me he's a buffer sometimes you've got to put your hands up and go I've got something wrong here and I don't care if you're a billionaire and you're egos as big as this room you've got to look at yourself in the mirror and go I've got this wrong and it's me they're having terrible weekends they're watching the enemies win trophies and wear crap but I've lost 700 million quid here so surely comes a line in the sand he's only worth 1.4 billion the gambler doesn't go I've lost 700 million or whatever I've lost in the casino I'm going home they say I'm going to win that back and that to me is what these people do they say now I want to win that back no and that's why we haven't been sold and that's why he still has these people in charge because he really thinks that his hand is going to turn it round rather than saying I've failed it's I'm going to turn this round and I think that's what keeps Bill Kenwright at the football club as well I will show these people because it's clear this day to me that he still thinks he's the best man to run this football club and Mishiri still thinks he's the best man to run this football club I don't think Mishiri thinks anymore how he thought when Kenwrights obviously sold them a dream I'll do this for you I'll do that for you I don't think Mishiri thinks that about Kenwrights anymore because if you look at the conflicting messages that are coming out they've always been battling each other you can see that they're battling each other now and I think that now is a position where if these come in that's the perfect MSP coming that's the time to go bang and then they might become as buffer than and if they get it right he's the hero not MSP that's what I'm saying I think there's always been that internal conflict between them we know that for a fact Mishiri goes to talk sport Bill runs to his people it's been clear this day for years and this is the other thing we're not stupid the people who work at the club are fighting fires Mishiri on one side and Bill on the other and of course you can add a third unseen person into that that we're not allowed to talk about because it's not on paper and everyone on football laughs about it everyone on football is the owner they go which one but this is a common theme now isn't it look at the situation we're in now look at the situation we're in under Kenwright who's the owner the mid to the late part of the early 2000s we had another covert owner that a lot of people know about we're not allowed to mention them normal people aren't but politicians are legally we can't sit in a circle about them but politicians can and they have mentioned them loads of times the same way they've mentioned the fella on the boat now and the same way the other fella that used to own Topshop there you go we never mentioned his name so two o'clock on Saturday two o'clock Saturday and just it's a good atmosphere in it and do you know what, the kids one I thought was brilliant it's good for kids it's good to bring them and the kids were starting the songs and that which was great that was their little thing you're going to have to just get I don't like saying have a hymship but you're going to have to make sure we've got those songs all the way up the road but all you people have to do is just walk walk and sing songs all the way up and that's it, it's going on a match isn't it which yeah exactly and then you've got to carry that obviously you do that, you've felt it the first one out but you've just done my spanner but then you get into the ground have a sing song outside of that actors box because they can hear it well they can't because it's not there but like the people who will tell them can hear it and then you get you probably squeeze a pint and do what you need to do get in the ground and we've just got to back them everyone hates certain players and even when we were good in the 80s the best players you've got but the football club put them there it's all about the football club just before we finished you mentioned the possibility of having a meeting during the international break is that something that's showed up or is that something people should look out for I'm just waiting on an answer on the venue and we'll get it out the same way as we did the other one so where should people be looking for that information then there will be people everyone's twitter there's a group of people who are in like a whatsapp group which you've no one can comment on a whatsapp group so it'll just be all over twitter hashtag all together now when we do a multi-tweet so everyone say tweet that at five o'clock everyone tweet to the five so we got a maximum so everyone will see that and then it'll go out and we'll go from there hoping I'll have an answer before I speak any other journalists over the next set of plans and hopefully we can get it in in some of the papers or online so there you go sat i ahead at the brinford game two o'clock at the oak and if you're on your own in your little bit I don't know anyone here come find me, I don't care I'll have a chat to me watch the show come and have a chat there'll be people there I guarantee get involved, get involved there's not another than just walking up to the ground so big thanks to Chris for coming in for telling us all about what's going on and hopefully I'll see you at the oak at two o'clock on sat i, thanks for watching, see you later