 What's up guys and welcome to yet another episode of bars with stars right here on SPM bars. My good name is Miski Thinchie and today I am hanging out with a star. This one is not just a star, he's a veteran in the entertainment industry. But before I introduce him, please make sure you subscribe to SPM bars because if you love our content then you should subscribe. Now this is the one and only Abel Amunga. Hi sir, how are you? I am good, how are you? Very good, thank you. How are you, very well? I'm glad to be here, thank you. Karibu Sana, I mean Selina has come to an end. How does that make you feel? I feel good and bad because Selina had actually come together and we had been bonded as a family. So it really feels bad even when you have a child going abroad for studies. On one side you're excited because this child is going out of the country, they are going to study at Harvard School of Music. But on the other hand you also feel bad because now you're going to miss them. She has been the most lively person in the family and all that. That's the kind of feeling I have, you see. Okay, I totally understand you now, I would really like to know. What is the difference between your character in Selina and Abel Amunga? The difference between my character in Selina, Luke Mackenzie and Abel Amunga is this is Luke and this is Abel. So anyway, I'd like to say that I am completely the opposite of what I am because a lot of people meet me and say, hey, I hope you're not the same person you are. I hope you don't behave the same way you behave on TV. And there's also another category of people who are not able to differentiate between an actor and a character. I'll give you an example of a certain lady who met me on the streets and she said, I didn't come back to TV where I was. I didn't come back to Nimbus and Gospel. But when I came to Mubaya, I came to Danganya. So I'm like, no, that is not me. That is Luke Mackenzie. We came to Mubaya and he looked. Now we are in Abel Amunga. No, no, of course you could do it. So you see, you wonder how you're going to explain to such people that that's just a character you've been given to act. So a lot of people say that I hope we will see you will go for getting that. That's not the only character I've been given to act. I've been a policeman. I've been a politician. I've been a doctor. I have been a pastor. I've been a good father. Only once, but I've been a bad father and a bad husband many times. So I guess that's why most people are able to, like, stereotype me or maybe associate me with a bad character. Very versatile. I am a good person. I'm a good person. Yeah, I mean, that is very versatile. It looks now that shows that you are a very good actor. If you're being casted for different characters. Now, what was the most interesting part by being Luke Mackenzie? What was the most interesting thing? The most interesting part. Interesting. Can I think of any interesting part? I think I was just acting. I was just bringing out what I was supposed to bring out, but I didn't see anything interesting because most of Luke Mackenzie's acts were all dubious. They were all negative. They're all greedy. They were all selfish. So there could be nothing interesting in all those attributes because they're all, at the end of the day, they're all selfish. But acting that role really helped me bring out what other husbands portray out there because I've been around families and I've seen men who behave like Luke Mackenzie. Men who are just there to use their families to make their own ends meet. Men who are very mean to their wives. I mean, they don't care about family. They don't care about relationships. They have no feeling of love. And that's what Luke Mackenzie has been. All Luke Mackenzie has looked on was how was he going to get money? How was he going to get out there and get in the pleasures of the world? Not caring about his children. He even goes to an extent of trying to kill his wife. Even towards the last episodes of Selena's season six, he tried to kill his own sons. He's tried to kill Regan. He tried to kill Nelson. I mean, he's a mean guy. Yeah, I see that. Now, talking about family, what does Abel and Munga think of marriage, especially right now that we have cases of divorces going very high? What are your thoughts? I think the devil is sorry to speak. I don't know. There are people who don't believe in the devil, but I believe the devil is really after the marriage more than anything else. Because marriage is the basis of the foundation of a future generation. So if the devil is out to destroy the future generation, he will first of all target marriage. And that's why most marriages are on the rocks nowadays. And a lot of bad things are happening. I was talking to a certain lawyer the other day, and he was telling me about how many cases they handle every day involving all these murders and all these crimes emanating from love triangles, like a wife killing the husband because the husband is premiscuous, or a husband, or vice versa, or a panguacando killing the wife or panguacando killing the husband, or the husband killing himself, killing the family and killing himself. All those things, what is targeted is the marriage institution. That is what is being targeted. But I would want to say as a Christian, I believe that if a marriage is founded on God, if a husband knows how to love his wife the way the Bible says, and if the wife knows how to submit to the husband the way the Bible says, then the marriage will survive. And if finger pointing is not going to be the order of the day in any marriage because two people, like husband and wife, each one of them wants to justify themselves. If each one of them wants to be the winner in an argument, but if both of them are willing to come together and say, speak, let me listen to you. And as you are speaking, I am not trying to analyze how I'm going to answer you. I'm searching myself and I'm putting myself in your shoes because you are there grieved. And after you speak, I also speak, I'm there grieved. And then we come together and say, look, it was my problem. It was my mistake. I forgive me. I'm sorry. That is how it's going to work out. But if you want to revenge, if you want to win, I mean, if you want to avenge, it will not stand. Do you think this generation is actually just ready to be who our parents used to be, especially in marriage? Do you think we are ready? No, no. I would say one out of 10, because no one is ready. I speak to a lot of young people and very few of them, first of all, believe in love because I've seen a lot of young people saying, love is a scam, I don't believe in love. Character development. Character, that is the word, character development. I have come across so many of them and it's very unfortunate. It's a very unfortunate incident that where we are heading to, Nmungutu. Gender-based violence, especially for men, because this is something we don't talk about. We always talk about women. What do you like to tell that man who's going through gender-based violence? I mean, violence, domestic violence in his home, he cannot speak up because he's a man. We always tell men, don't speak up when he wants to. What would you like to advise that man? You know, as a man, you are just a human being at the end of the day. The only thing you have different is the voice, the physical features. But at the end of the day, you're just a human being. You just have flesh and blood like the opposite sex. So if you are a man out there and you're exposed to gender-based violence and your old man is abusing you, your wife is abusing you, either emotionally or physically, please don't hide yourself. Don't feel ashamed because I know a lot of men out there. I have an example of a policeman. I gave a ride in my car and I would not say the name. And then he kept all the time, all the way as we drove home, he kept telling me about how he beat his wife, how he doesn't care about these women having to be taught a lesson. You know, he was like, I'm your wife, I'll take you home. I'll take you home and I'll pick you up. And then I'm like, is this man OK? What is he suffering from? Then one day I have an opportunity to sit at a police canteen where he frequents and I hear other policemen talking about him because he had told me his name and everything. So this, what the policemen were discussing about him was completely the opposite of what he was telling me in my car. Because they were saying, I'll take you home and I'll pick you up. I'll take you home and I'll pick you up. I'll take you home and I'll pick you up. You see? And I'm like, I'll take you home and I'll pick you up. Because as I was giving him a ride home, the only way he could comfort himself is by trying to be the man. Yes, massaging his ego. But now that is not what you're supposed to do. Just stand up and reach out to the relevant organizations, the many organizations, even reach out to police, write a statement, say, my life is in danger, my wife is threatening me, there's nothing wrong with that. That doesn't make you less of a man. Just go out there, you know, but that will help you defend yourself as a man. That will help you get more support from other gender-based violence organizations and even the government. There are so many institutions, so many organizations that are out there to help people like you. So, speak up, guys, speak up. Now, you see when we look at Abel Lamunga on social media, we see a very strong man who stands by his family and all that, but I would like to know, do you ever have a low moment, have you had a low moment that almost broke you but you know got out of it and how did you do it? I usually have so many low moments and a lot of people look, like just like you said, a lot of people look at me and they see a macho man. They see a Mr. Fixit all, but I am not one. I am just tender, I am just emotional, like any other person. And I go through all those moments when I'm, especially when I'm alone. And sometimes when I'm in a crowd, but usually it's not easy for a man to show. But the best time for a man to show is when they are by themselves. Like you know what I've been through with my daughter. I've also been, previously in my relationships, I've been through very, very low moments and that has been my own personal story. I do play my guitar. I retreat to a lonely room and play my guitar and that really boosts my, yes, it does, it works for me. So I mean, I feel like everyone should just find a way of just to get out of a low moment. Everyone has their own way. Other people would take a walk, other people would go to the gym, other people would get into a punching bag and punch it out, yeah. Fortunately, others indulge in drugs and alcohol. Don't do anything if you have to deal with your low moments. Do not deal with anything that will affect you physically or emotionally because that will not make it easier for you. That will make it even, it will aggravate it, make it even more worse for you to engage in things that will abuse your physical, your spiritual or your mental state. So Abel, how was that moment when your daughter was going through all that? How was it for you as a dad? It was very devastating, bearing in mind that at the end of the day, I would just be myself and her because our family is very small, like it's me and her, period. So compared to other families where you'd have a daddy, a mommy, and other kids coming together and saying, oh look, Miss Kithingi, don't worry, this is gonna be fine. I had to take the position of all other family members as a person to be there to speak to her and encourage her and try and let her know that everything is okay, yeah. I mean, knowing your daughter because you know her and all the accusations behind the demise of her husband, it was a tough moment for her losing someone she loved and at the same time getting criticism for it. How did she take it? She was like any other human being. It was really, it really weighed very, very heavily on her. If it wasn't for God, she would not be where she is. I tried my best as a father. There are a few other friends that came up unexpectedly because a lot of other friends that were very close to her took off, but other friends just came into the picture and they stood with her, they supported her, they prayed for her. Others took her in and stayed with her for a while and I really, I really want to appreciate all those that were there during that time to help me encourage her and to just help me hold her hand to keep her standing and there are people, there are angels in form of people that God just sends our way when we are in time of need and they will just do their divine work, divine assignment and disappear because others just came in and then just during that moment and then when she was able to stand on her own, they took off. That is, that is, that's a divine connection. Yeah, for sure. Okay, now as we wind up Amunga, I would like to know, how are you as a grandpa? What kind of a grandpa are you to your granddaughter and what lesson would you like to instill in her as the grandfather? I am, what kind of a grandfather? I am a proud grandpa. Very, very proud grandpa. To Tolua, Reina Tolua, yeah. She, that is right, yes. She makes me very happy and amazingly, she is growing very, very fast. The other day, because you see she came up, she was a preterm and a lot of people would think a preterm child would probably take a lot of time to grow and develop, but Tolua has just amazed me and she's a God-given child and the name Tolua means belonging to God. So now, because she was dedicated to God, she has really come up very, very well. She has impressed her mother, she has impressed me. And the more joy she gives to her mother, the more joy she gives to me, because I really derive my joy from seeing her mother happy. So Tolua is there, she's an angel that was brought to instill joy and wipe her mother's tears. Yes. Oh, definitely a very proud grandpa right there. Now, what next for Munganot that Selena is done? Where are we expecting to see you next? Where are you still? Where are you? I don't know, I don't know, Selena is done and well, Selena is not all that I was doing. I'm a master of ceremony for functions. I do a lot of functions, especially over weekends. I have a music band called the Silver Strings. We perform in different functions. That's gonna keep me busy as well. I also still work on Radio Citizen as the station's voice. So that's still gonna engage me, but I'm also still looking forward to engaging myself to any other project that might come forth. So yes, I might be taking a short break out of screen, but by and by you will see me back on your screens. Yeah, perfect. Now you're known for like, you know, those top notch quotes. Please give us one as we finish up. To all the young men out there, please respect the older men, because something has come up called technology and you'd think that because you're technology wise and technology clever, you're going to overshadow or oversee the older men. No, you're still young. Even if you know how to operate that gadget more than I do, you are still young. So listen to wisdom, eh? Wisdom, eh? There's a tribe in Nigeria. I don't know if they are the Igbo. They say, what an old man can see while seated. A young man cannot see even when they are standing. And that's called experience for sure. Thank you. That we cannot fight with. Thank you very much. All right, thank you so much, Abel Amunga, for speaking to us. We are so grateful. Say hi to Ruth and you know, tell her she's doing a very good job. The baby looks very healthy. Thank you, we thank God for that. All right guys, that was the veteran, the legendary Abel Amunga, right here on SPM Bars, Bars with Stars. My good name is Ms. Kitenchi and until next time, it's goodbye. Bye, bye, bye.