 Good morning everyone and welcome to the class on Christology. Thank you all for joining class. We just pray that the others will also join as well. Anyone can lead us in prayer this morning? Anyone lead us in prayer please? Father God we thank you for this morning and we come before you Lord. We thank you for new day Lord my father. We thank you for this class my father. Are we going to stop our class today my father? Help us guide us my father. Help us to understand more deeply my father Lord. Now thank you for our man Selina, my father. Thank you my father. We give you glory in honor. In the name of Jesus we pray. Amen. Thank you Chira. So we'll begin looking at what we were studying the last two weeks. I hope you're enjoying the Christology class and it's not kind of overwhelming you or kind of you know confusing you. I hope you're enjoying the study. Yes is it too confusing? Is it too difficult for you all to understand? And I have some thoughts on that some inputs from the students. I will enjoy the Christology class. We have just had four hours just two classes. Okay is I hope it's not confusing or it's too much. Okay thank you Nina John. Okay thank you Nina Santosh since I'm learning a lot. Okay thank you. Okay anyone else? Any suggestions and how we can go about this class? Any suggestions you'll have? No problem you're doing really well. Thank you Lynn. I hope you all are following the notes. There are some extra little information for our study purpose that I'm adding in so you would like to make a note of that as well. It'll help you. Okay so just a quick recap of what we did the last two weeks. We studied about what Christology is. You know it's a field within Christian theology. So we studied we looked at what Christian theology is. We defined Christian theology. We defined what theology is. We defined what Christology is and we basically said in Christology you know we will be looking or studying of how humanity and deity exist in real unity in one person that is to the person of Jesus Christ. So we're basically looking at how humanity and deity coexisted in perfect unity in the person of Jesus Christ. So for that we will be studying about his pre-existence, the eternal nature of Christ. We'll be looking at the Old Testament prophecies about Christ, Christ's humanity, his deity, his incarnation, his sinlessness, his death, resurrection, ascension, exaltation and his return. I hope you've taken some time to go through your notes so that you know you'll be able to connect through even as we follow through each week in the classes so that there is a good connect, there's a good flow of thought even of what your understanding is and also when you read through if you have any questions you know you could ask them and we'll try to answer those questions in class okay. So we began by looking at you know Jesus's God that he is deity. We looked at the deity of Christ and of course all of this what we're studying about in Christology is basically we're going to look at various scripture passages, we're going to be looking at the Old Testament, we're going to be looking at the New Testament and then we'll you know coming to a conclusion of what scripture talks about the deity and the humanity of Jesus Christ and how both of them existed in perfect unity, co-existed in perfect unity in the person of Jesus Christ. So in chapter one we looked at the pre-existence of Christ that he was there even before the world began, he was there when everything was being created it was through him that all things were created, we're going to look at that today, we're looking at his role in creation but you know we tried answering these questions, did Christ exist before he came into the world, if he existed who was he? So we we answered those questions in those two questions in chapter one where we talked about the pre-existence of Christ and basically good scripture passages that talk about the pre-existence of Christ, which are the scripture passages that talk about the pre-existence of Christ. John 1 verse 1 to 4. Okay, thank you Lynn. John chapter 1 verses 1 to 4. What else? Anyone else? Philippines 2, 5 to 7. Philippines chapter 2, 5 to 7. Thank you Onina Santosh. Yes, so we saw we studied those two passages in detail, we will be studying Philippines chapter 2 verses 5 to 7 in detail in a few classes from now. We also saw that Jesus himself you know when he is speaking to the crowd he asserts for himself or he you know gives his calls himself or describes himself as the I am. We read that in John chapter 8 verse 58 where Jesus said that you know surely I say to you before Abraham was I am. So you know that is you know Jesus making an assertion of who he is and basically you know identifying himself with the Godhead with the same name that God revealed of who he is or identified himself in the Old Testament to Moses as I am who I am and we see that Jesus was claiming for himself the same title as I am and which proves that he or he's designating himself as God as the eternal existing one who is self-sufficient who is you know all knowing self-sufficient and self-existent. So you know by ascribing him to himself this title as I am he's identifying himself with the Godhead he's identifying himself with how God identified himself in the Old Testament with the title I am and you know hence Jesus is saying that you know he is the eternal existing one he is the self-existing one he's a self-sufficient one and he is you know God. So we also looked at his other scripture passages from Micah chapter 5 verse 2 and Micah chapter 2 verses 1 to 6 last class we looked at you know again went on to prove that Jesus Christ is God his deity by looking at his equality with the Father and the Spirit the Holy Spirit that you know that Jesus Christ is God he's co-equal with God the Father God the Son God the Holy Spirit so God the Father God the Son God the Holy Spirit are co-equal they have the same nature that makes them God the same attributes the same essence that makes them God and hence we see that Jesus is God so how do we prove that Jesus is God one way is showing that he's equal with the Father and we looked at again John chapter 1 verses 1 to 3 where he says you know the word whom John refers to as the Logos as Jesus Christ who was in the beginning which means a dateless past eternity past who was with God and who was also God and hence we see that Jesus is co-equal with the Father we looked again at the same reference in Philippians chapter 2 verses 5 to 7 where you know it says that Jesus is in the very form of God that means you know he's he shared with the glory of the deity he's having the same essence the same nature that makes God God and so Philippians chapter 2 verses 5 to 7 tells us that he's equal with God and also we looked at John chapter 8 verse 58 we're not going to explain that again and then we looked specifically at Isaiah chapter 9 verse 6 where you know Isaiah's prophesying about the Messiah was going to come the sun moves to be born and there are various titles ascribed to the sun moves Jesus and of the titles that have been ascribed to Jesus to the prophecy of Isaiah in Isaiah chapter 9 verse 6 we see two specific names mighty God and everlasting father mighty God means only potent one and the all-powerful one and we know that the Jews of the Old Testament refers to God as the mighty all-powerful one and also he's the everlasting father which means a dateless past who was always there and who will always exist who always existed and will always exist everlasting father which is the names that they were familiar the Jewish audience were familiar with the God they worshiped the God of the Old Testament and when these same titles were ascribed to Jesus it proves that he is co-equal with God the father it's also proving that this child who was to be born the Messiah is God incarnate and we also said that you know these two titles that were ascribed to God or God the father you know is not in conflict with God the father but you know it reveals the eternal nature and the character of God as father and even though the same title is been ascribed to God the father and God the son there is no conflict because they are one they exist in perfect unity and oneness we also saw the names of alpha and omega which means the beginning and the end which are the first and the last alpha is the first alphabet in the Greek language and omega is the last word in the Greek language alphabets so Jesus iscribing to himself as the title of alpha and omega we read that in Revelation chapter 21 verses 6 and 7 and we also see you know in Isaiah chapter 44 verse 6 and Isaiah 48 verse 12 where God is referred to as or calls himself as I am the first and the last so the same titles that were that God identifies himself or refers to himself in the Old Testament is the same title that Jesus is also ascribing to himself that which we read in Revelation chapter 1 verse 8 and Revelation 21 verse 6 and 7 and Revelation 22 verses 13 so we also looked and studied John chapter 5 verses 1 to 15 of course this whole scripture passage is not given in your notes but we studied it about the whole passage about how Jesus heals a lame man and you know it it became a big controversy because he had healed the lame man invalid man for 38 years on a Sabbath day and Jesus instead of you know kind of avoiding the controversy and getting out of the crowd you know he claims to be equal with God the Father and we read verses 19 to 27 where Jesus claims that God is his father and when he does that you know he's he's claiming that he possesses the same divine nature as God himself we also looked at the same chapter John 5 verse 21 where Jesus says for as a father raises a dead and gives life to them even so the son gives life to all all those he will so you know the Jews understood that you know life is only from God God only has the sorry God only has the power to give life and now when Jesus is claiming that the son gives life to whom he wills you know he's Jesus is claiming the same power as God the Father and hence he's proving that he is equal with God the Father and he goes on to talk about how you know the son the father judges no one but God the father has committed the judgment to his son John chapter 5 verse 22 because the Jews understood that you know God alone was the one who had the authority to judge the world now when Jesus claims his you know he has this privilege that God the Father has given him this privilege and he also mentions why God the Father has given him the privilege because all those who honor the son should sorry all those who honor the father should also honor the son in the same way because the father has sent the son verse 23 of John chapter 5 so we see that the Jews knew that you know they could only honor and worship God and here Jesus was saying that you know I've been given committed the authority to judge and hence I have the honor so hence you need to give me the honor just like you honor my father so Jesus claims the same right to be worshiped and honored as the father so we see that you know he is equal with God the Father we also saw how he's equal with God the Holy Spirit okay but we also looked at John chapter 14 verse 28 where Jesus says you know you would do the father says you know Jesus says I'm going back to the father for my father is greater than I it does not mean that you know God the Father is greater than God the Son is lesser being and God the Holy Spirit is lesser than the Son and lesser than the Father no it's just talking you know all of them are co-equal in their nature in the essence they are co-eternal persons of the Trinity they have the divine nature that makes them God but in roles they have different roles and hence that sense of you know hierarchy is there but all of all three of them God the Father God the Son God the Holy Spirit are co-equal and co-eternal persons they have the same one divine nature that makes them God but in roles they are different and that's why Jesus says for my father is greater than I so we looked at this in the last class and of course John chapter 5 all that I explained from John chapter 5 is not there in your notes but I just hope that you know made a note of it so that you know when you have to defend your faith defend that Jesus is God you can use these scripture passages you can use this to explain to people and also use this to you know edify people and build them up in their faith that Jesus is God and that he is co-equal with God the Father God and not the Holy Spirit okay so that's a very briefly kind of briefly a recap of what we studied in lesson one and lesson two anyone has any questions I hope you're reading the notes and I'm sure you must be having any questions when you're reading anyone has any questions anything that you'd like to clarify okay if there are no questions and no clarifications required then we'll move on to chapter 3 thank you Viku and Jacken we'll move on to chapter 3 where we'll be looking at again you know looking at the deity of God and proving that he is God you know by looking at his role in creation okay so we try to prove the deity of God by talking about his pre-existence we try to prove the deity of God by looking at his equality with the Father and the Holy Spirit and we can also prove that Jesus is God by looking at his role in creation so in this chapter we will just briefly be looking at Christ's role in creation so you all can follow through with your with your notes and I'm just going to give you some extra information when we're studying Colossians chapter 1 verses 15 and 18 which will just help us you know understand better and try to you know you know be when we do apologetics or defend our Christian faith or try to prove a deity we can use also Colossians chapter 1 verses 15 to 18 to prove that Jesus is God okay so we look at Christ's role in creation and hence prove that he is deity that he is God okay we look again back at the same scripture passage that we were you know dwelling on in the first and second lesson John chapter 1 verses 1 to 3 so can one of you please read that again good to know John chapter 1 by memory also good to know at least verses 1 to 3 or 1 to 5 in memory yes Vimal in somebody read John chapter 1 verses 1 to 3 in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God he was in the all things were made through him and without him nothing was made that was made Amen thank you Vimal so we know this word is referring to Jesus so we see that Jesus is God he was with God he is God he was there in the beginning and you know verse 3 which we'll be looking at today all things were made through him so everything that we see in existence all of creation that we see was made through him and without him nothing was made that was made so everything that exists was is because it was made through Christ Jesus Christ and nothing that we that was made was made without him so basically John is revealing to us that this word you know who is Jesus Christ is God he was with God he was in in the beginning and he was the one who you know was instrumental in bringing about all of creation in creating everything okay we look at Colossians chapter 1 verses 16 and 17 and we're going to be dwelling on this more today in our today's class we'll be studying more about this so Colossians chapter 1 verses 16 and 17 but I would like us to read you know Colossians chapter 1 verses 15 to the end of the chapter so can somebody read Colossians chapter 1 verses 15 to the end of the chapter please he is the image of the invisible God the first one over all creation for by him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth visible and invisible whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers all things were created through him and for him and he is before all things and in him all things consist and he is the head of the body of the church who is the beginning the first born from the dead that in all things he may have the preeminence for it pleased the father that in him all the forms should dwell and by him to reconcile all things to himself by him whether things on earth or things in heaven having made peace through the blood of his cross and you who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works yet now he has reconciled in the body of his flesh through death to present you holy and blameless and above reproach in his sight if indeed you continue in the faith grounded and steadfast and are not moved away from the holy gospel which you heard which was creature every creature under heaven of which I Paul became a minister I now rejoice in my servings for you and fill up in my flesh what is lacking afflictions of Christ for the sake of his body which is a church of which I became a minister according to his worship from God which is given to me for you to fill the word of God the mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations but now has been revealed to his sins to them God will make know what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles which is Christ in you the hope of glory him we preach warning every man and teaching every man in all wisdom that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus to this end I also labor striving according to his working which works in the thank you Rin so very important passage of scripture actually Colossians chapter one verses 15 to 18 has been called the great Christology various commentary writers theologians you know have given this title to Colossians chapter one verses 15 to 18 and they call it as the great Christology now some of these things that I'm mentioning is not in your notes so if you like to make a you know take down points you could because this is a very important passage of scripture and would be important and would be nice if you could you know listen carefully think through you know make your own notes so that it can help you and also help you to you know be a blessing and help others to understand so Colossians chapter one verses 15 to 18 has been called as a great Christology because you know Paul the Apostle Paul you know is who is inspired by the Holy Spirit has this inspired conviction and understanding of just who Christ is so it is through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit that he's writing all of this and you know he has this deep inspired conviction this deep knowing this deep assurance and this deep understanding of who this Jesus Christ is the Jesus Christ is not just a prophet not just a teacher it's not just the messiah they were looking for it's not just a miracle worker a good man but this Jesus Christ is God so in verses 15 to 18 you know Paul Apostle Paul is highlighting several unique characteristics that basically qualify Jesus Christ to be the preeminent one who has supreme authority over all things so he's the preeminent one that means he is foremost he's the greatest he's the finest he's eminent one who has you know supremacy which means he has authority all authority over all things okay so that is what he's stating and this is something that he's received through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit and it's also something that you know Paul is deeply grounded in because we know that you know being a Jew he was a very zealous Jew zealous for his faith and hence he went around persecuting the Christians because you know they were saying that they were teaching or preaching that Jesus is God and and being a zealous Jew defending his faith you know he was persecuting the Christians because for him Jesus was not God he was just a man but you know receiving this whole enlightenment or this when he was transformed on the way to Damascus this whole thing of seeing Jesus the person of Jesus and having this whole receiving this whole inspiration of who the person of Jesus is that he is God you know he very beautifully writes this so it is something very very precious for him for his understanding of who this Jesus Christ is who he persecuted but who he encountered and now who he is you know preaching the gospel to the point of being persecuted being beaten being left for dead you know struggling through and everything but he's going through all of these struggles and challenges because of this great revelation that he has received of who Jesus Christ is and that is what is making him so zealous or you know so passionate about what he's preaching who he's preaching and teaching about so in verses 15 to 18 he's actually you know highlighting several unique characteristics that qualify who Jesus Christ is and that is why you know theologians commentary writers call this as the great Christology because it's talking about you know how humanity and deity co-existed in the person of Jesus Christ it's it's it's talking about the person of Jesus Christ and who he really is so in verses 15 to 18 Paul mentions that you know he is the image of the invisible God the second thing he mentions is he is the first born over all creation and that is this is mentioned in verses 15 the first half of verse 15 he says he is the image of the invisible God the and the second half of verse 15 says he's the first born over all creation and then he goes on to talk about in verse 16 and verse 17 he talks about here Jesus as the creator of the universe why he says for him all things were created in heaven and earth visible and invisible you know all thrones authorities dominion principalities powers everything was created through him and for him and he is before all things and in him all things consist so in verse 17 he's basically talking that Jesus is the sustainer of creation he's not just the one who was created everything but verse 17 he goes on to prove that Jesus Christ is the one who's sustaining all of creation and then you know he goes on to talk about in verses 18 he talks about how he's the sovereign head of the new creation that is the church the the body of Christ which is a new creation and he's the sovereign that means he is he's you know he's God he's the head he's the supreme authority over the new creation which is the church and also in verse 18 he's talking about the firstborn from the dead okay and he goes on to talk about in verse 18 also how he's the pre-em he's a preeminent one of all things okay so how he's preeminent which means that you know he's the greatest he's the foremost he's distinguished the finest one of all things so that is why you know all this just so beautifully inspired by the Holy Spirit for Apostle Paul and he writes this and because he highlights the unique characteristics that qualify Jesus Christ as supreme over all creation you know it's referred to as the great Christology okay so we look at each of these you know phrases in in verses 15 to 80 we study that in detail and Nina John is asking firstborn over all creation what does it mean so I'll just explain it while I'm explaining each phrase so we'll just go one at a time I hope that's okay if you still did not understand after they explain the firstborn over all creation then if you have any more questions on that you can ask is that okay Nina John I can can I just go in order so you can understand we will come to firstborn over all creation is that fine okay thank you so the first thing you know he mentions here and also after verse 18 you know also mentions that you know salvation is dependent both on the person and the work of Christ so Paul in verses 19 to 20 of the same chapter of Colossians chapter one he's highlighting the work of Christ as the reconciler of all things the one who makes peace now if you look at this passage you know there is no one passage in the New Testament that lists so many characteristics that point out to Christ deity that he is God and it's all just found very briefly and shortly and very powerfully in this passage so along with John chapter one verses one two five or one seven Philippians chapter two verses five to seven you can even remember Colossians chapter one verses 15 to 18 because this is in one passage in the New Testament that lists so many characteristics that point to Christ deity and it's not found anywhere else in such a short brief powerful way and also we see that in these passages it presents the supremacy of the person of Christ in relationship to God verse 15 and his relationship to creation verses 16 to 17 and his relationship to the church in verse 80 just like I mentioned out just earlier in the point so verse 15 is talking about Christ's relationship to God then in verses 16 and 17 is talking about his relationship to creation and verse 18 he's talking about his relationship to the church so let's just look at you know do a phrase study of each of these so that we can understand you know the deity of Christ in detail and then we'll come back to focusing just you know on verses 16 and 17 which is talking about his role in creation so in verse 15 it says that he's image of the invisible God so Paul saying that you know Jesus Christ is the image of invisible God so basically what Paul is asserting is that Christ is nothing less than the exact and unique image of the invisible God now the Greek word for this word image is icon and you know this this term icon in the Greek it basically expresses two concepts one is representation and manifestation so this word image basically if you look at it in Greek you know Greek is a very richer language then then English you know everywhere we see in the word for example we can look at you know this word image it can refer to different things at different places in the in scripture but based on the Greek word if it's icon it's basically talking about the image of God it's talking about a unique image that God has it expresses the concepts of representation and manifestation so you know basically an image can be a representation and if it is you know representation of the real image the the correct image so when you're looking at yourself in the mirror what you're seeing is a representation of who you are the exact image of who you are on the in the mirror or on the screen if you're looking at somebody acting you're looking at the exact representation of that person on a screen though the person is not there physically present but you're just looking at the represent the exact representation of that person so it's if it is perfect enough if this representation is perfect enough you know it becomes a manifestation that means it becomes a reality of who that person is when that person is there in a person even though that person is not there so that's why we said the manifest presence of the Holy Spirit means the visible tangible of the presence of the Holy Spirit who is there even though we can't see him we can experience his work his power and what he's doing in our midst that's what we mean when we say manifestation so by using this word image in the Greek which means he can't Paul is resting or making a point that you know Jesus is the perfect manifestation of God that means who you're seeing in the real person of Jesus Christ is you know you're seeing the invisible God you're seeing who God is so to see what God is you know we must look at Jesus and you know when Paul uses his words he's the image of God you know he's using the present tense that means he's stressing on that word is he is the image of God which is talking about he's using the present tense you know when you are actually studying Greek and you're trying to exegete passages of scripture and you're looking at an in Greek translation you know the tense is very important past tense present tense present future tense so this word he is the image you know every word is so important in scripture too for us to understand so what Paul is basically using is he's using the present tense which you know he's so and he's using the present tense he's basically stressing that this is how Jesus always was is and will be it also is mentioning that this is how Jesus is always and everywhere you know wherever the manifestation of God is this is who God is wherever Jesus is you know whether it was in the past whether it was before the foundation of the world whether he was there creating the world whether he was in the Old Testament in the New Testament in the future you know this is the real wherever or everywhere you know this is the manifestation of who God is so few want to understand who God really is we look at Jesus because he is the perfect representation or the perfect manifestation of who God is so the very nature and the character of God is you know perfectly revealed to us in in Jesus and you know in him the invisible is made visible that means because the Old and New Testament makes it very very clear for us that no one has ever seen God and no one can see God okay but how do we know God how do we understand you know it is the the God who was invisible made himself visible in the person of Jesus Christ so if you want to understand this invisible God you know we look at we look at Jesus Christ we we look at his character his ways of how he lived on this earth so even as we read in John's Gospel you know the Apostle John makes it very clear in verse 18 of John chapter 1 that the only begotten son who is in the bosom of the father has made him known and I explain to you what it meant you know the bosom of the father which means who was intimately one with the father intimately connected with the father you know this son has this low boss this word that became flesh who is God who became a man who was God who became a human being you know who was in the bosom of the father was intimately one with the father has made him known so we can know who God is because the invisible has been manifested himself has made himself visible in the person of Jesus Christ and hence we can know him so the first thing he's talking about here in in Colossians chapter 1 you know is verse 15 is the image of the invisible God okay any questions on that can we say visible image of the invisible God yes we can the visible person of the invisible God as well yes any question on this first phrase that we studied any clarifications anyone needs okay okay if there's no questions or clarifications we'll move on to the second phrase in Colossians chapter 1 was 15 where it says he's a first born over all creation now very important to understand this word first born because first born was a very familiar term in the in the Old Testament it held a significant place in the families in the you know in the inheritance being passed on if the spiritual inheritance also that was passed on through the generation so the first born was a very important word also you know God talking about Israel as you are my first born now when we look at again when we understand scripture we need to look at it in the entirety of the whole scripture what this word first born means and also look at what the greek word means because it gives us a very richer understanding and gives us more clarity on what this word first born is so the greek word for first born here is proto kotos okay it is proto kotos i'll explain that and it's not first created so some people say that hey you know jesus is mentioned as a first born over all creation which means he is the first creation so the first being that was created which means that he is a created being and hence he is not god but here you know paul is not using the greek word proto tisis if he's using the word proto tisis it means that he is first created the greek word for proto tisis means first created but he's not using the word greek word proto proto tisis but he's using the word proto hortis which means first born so this word proto hortis has two different connotations okay two different connotations means two different meanings implications there's two different nuances to this this word so proto s you know if you divided the word proto s in greek means first first in time or first in rank so basically it's it's when we look at this greek word it's talking about priority and sovereignty okay so it's the word greek word proto kotos which is here referring to first born it is not proto tisis which means first created so we can tell people that this is not that jesus was the first created being because there was no the greek word proto tisis is not used but first born and this word first born has two meanings or you know implications or nuances to this word proto kotos which means first in time or first in rank so basically it's talking about priority and sovereignty so you know the first born he's the first born over all creation it basically denotes two things of price which paul is trying to bring about here that he precedes the whole of creation okay he precedes the whole of creation in time in rank he precedes the whole of creation and and he is sovereign over all creation so in rank okay so he's he is so well he precedes the whole of creation and he's sovereign over all creation so the word first born proto kotos means that christ's priority to all creation in time and his sovereignty over all creation in rank so in time he is you know above everything because he's the one who created everything he was there even before time existed time began and he is sovereign over all creation means in rank that he is sovereign okay so did that help you understand first born over all creation nina nina john so need to understand clearly that this is not the three word proto thesis which means first created um but proto kotos which is talking about proto which is first in time and uh rank uh which implies that jesus is the first born in terms of priority and sovereignty uh his priority to all creation in time and his sovereignty over all creation in rank that means he's greater he's the highest he's supreme over everything and you know uh you know he was there even before time began okay now we look at verse 16 if no one has any questions no questions any clarification anyone needs okay i hope it's not going over your head you're able to understand it's quite interesting to do a deeper study and that's why i'm just giving you extra information here apart from what's there in your notes so that you can you know gather more information now we we'll move on to verse 16 can somebody read verse 16 please somebody who's not read can read verse 16 who by him a lot things were created that are in heaven and that are all visible and invisible whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers all things were all things were created through him and for him thank you okay so jack and says can you please explain sovereignty and priority once again in relationship uh uh to time okay um so actually the word first born implies a christ's priority to all creation uh in time that means you know time began when you know got created everything but he was you know he was there even before time so when we're talking about first born you know we're talking about that you know he was not just there when time began he did not begin to exist but he existed even before time began because he was the one there was there even before time began because he was the one who created all things and his sovereignty over all creation which means in trying he's greater his sovereign because it was through him you know like you know paul goes on to say for by him in verse 16 for by him all things were created you know and the end of verse 16 says all things were created through him and for him and verse 17 he's talking about he is before all things and in him all things consist that means he's sovereign that means uh he does what he wills he he chooses to do what he's he wills he does not ask anyone because does not consult with anyone his supreme authority supreme power and he does what he wills and so out of his sovereignty he created everything and in his sovereignty he is you know over all creation did that help jack in okay uh we'll cut off the break we'll meet at 10-01 I just took one minute extra and then we meet at 10-01 thank you so much I'll meet you up to break everyone