 I didn't expect this audience today, and thank you. Well, thank you, thank you. And, well, I didn't prepare myself to give this talk in English, or I don't know if you prefer I do it in Spanish, or if you will understand it in Spanish. Okay, well, I will try to do it in English just for yourself, and my wife over here. And, well, my name is José Dábila, José Ernesto Dábila, and I've been collaborating with the Ubuntu project for about five years, and we started the Ubuntu local team in Nicaragua here, and one of the first members of the local team. And I have been collaborating in packaging with Ubuntu for about one and a half year, and I found myself in the need to submit some fixes and bug fixes to Debian, and that's why I'm giving this talk today. Okay, I have a quote from Mark Shuddleworth, the founder of the Ubuntu project and a Debian developer, and he said once that every Debian developer is an Ubuntu developer because the best way to improve Ubuntu or collaborate with Ubuntu is to collaborate with Debian. And I have read a couple of blog spots from some Debian developers, and one of them is Rafael Herzog, and who have joined the Ubuntu community, even though he expresses himself that all the technical improvements he does will be to Debian, and he was accepted as an Ubuntu developer, and everything is going fine, and he has a very nice blog spot where he explains what he did. Well, the content of my talk is about three subjects, and one of them is the relationship between Ubuntu and Debian, and then how can you collaborate with Debian from Ubuntu, and then we have some time for questions. Okay, so let's see how is the relationship within Ubuntu and Debian. Well, Debian is the rocks where Ubuntu sits, and Debian is a rock-solid operating system, and there are a lot of contributors that are volunteers, they don't receive a salary, they don't have a payment for collaborating with Debian, and Debian, it's well known for its strong commitment with free software philosophy, and Debian free software guidelines, it's well known around all the free software communities, and Ubuntu is an operating system based on Debian, it imports most of its packages from Debian at the beginning of its release cycle, and Ubuntu has predictable and frequent releases, we have a release every six months, and every two years we have a long-term support release, and at a difference with Debian, Ubuntu receives the collaboration, the support from a company called Canonical, which offers corporate support for the distribution, and another difference between Ubuntu and Debian is that in Ubuntu there are some a team of developers called the Ubuntu core developers, who work 24-7 for Ubuntu, they get paid for that, but not all the developers are paid, they have some volunteers called the master of the universe, or more too for short, and how can we contribute to Debian from Ubuntu? Well, at first you can forward bug reports and patches that fix bugs from Ubuntu to Debian, and you have to be sure and double check that the bug or fix applies to Debian, and all this stuff you have to do it by email, the Debian bug tracking system works from a series of comments, you have to type in the content of your email, and that sometimes is not that friendly, especially, well, I have myself found reading the manuals every time I have to fill a new bug, and for new people and not well experienced in this topic, this can be a little tricky, but well, to make this more friendly for the developers, Ubuntu created a package called the Ubuntu DevTools, where you have a series of scripts that help you interact with the Debian bug tracking system, and you can forward patches to the BTS if the packages are already in Debian, because sometimes you have packages that exist in Ubuntu but they are not in Debian, so if the packages in Debian you can submit to Debian script to forward all the modifications you do to a Debian package to the Debian BTS, so that is what this script does. And you have a couple of things to keep in mind when you are forwarding bug reports to Debian, and you always have to mention that you are testing this fix or you found this bug in Ubuntu, and you have to double check, as I said before, that the fix or the bug applies to Debian, and we have some obligatory reading for this and how to report bugs effectively, and there is a link where you can read that, and another way to improve Ubuntu from Debian is to upload new packages to Debian, and this is the general rule now in the Ubuntu community, every time you say, hey, I have a new package and I want to upload it to Ubuntu, the developer says, okay, upload it to Debian and we will sync this to Ubuntu in the next release cycle, and as I said, the new packages once accepted in Debian, once they are in the Debian archives, you have the Ubuntu gets the packages automatically at the beginning of the release cycle in the first alpha release I think, and then you can request to sync or merge the packages when the Debian import freeze is getting in time, and I have found that a better way to get new packages into Debian is joining a Debian packaging team. Right now I am part of the Python applications packaging team, and well, I have been interacting with the team to get the package I have maintained in the Debian archives, and it is well, I think when I started to collaborate with Debian, I thought that it is going to be hard partly because, well, there is always the, we will talk about it later, there is always the idea that we have an intricate relationship, but joining a packaging team is the best way I think, and like I said, we have to kill the troll, because there are still people thinking that Debian and Ubuntu have a strong relationship, a very strong relationship, and that is not the case, there are, well, we have a Spanish audience now. We can start again? Well, okay, thank you. Well, I will continue in Spanish for the new audience. Well, as I said, in the question of collaborating with Ubuntu and Debian, we have to kill the troll, we have to remove that idea that Ubuntu and Debian have a tormented relationship, that is not the case, and well, Benjamin Hill has written an article called To Fork or Not To Fork, the lessons learned from Ubuntu and Debian, in which he talks very exhaustively about how this relationship between Ubuntu and Debian and how he has managed to manage that collaboration task. So I highly recommend reading that article, and well, the truth is that that is what I had prepared for today, I had a lot of space for questions or for the next talk, so I don't know if you have any questions, I think the majority was a little late. Well, I have this time for questions and I don't know if you have any. Yes, it is on. No, come closer. I always thought that for the packages to be in Ubuntu, I thought that they always had to be in Ubuntu first and then go to Debian, and what you explained is that the opposite process. Yes. They go to Debian first and then Ubuntu decides to include it. Yes. Well, I have seen myself twice in the case of uploading a package to Debian, an update of a package, there is a new upstream version, then I unpacked it for Debian, I made the request because I am not a Debian maintainer or a Debian developer, so I need a sponsor to be able to upload my packages to Debian, and sometimes it happens that you make the request, but it takes a long time and they don't respond to you, so there you can ask for help in Ubuntu and say, look, I have my package, here is the link to the report of the book where I requested the sponsorship and it takes six months, eight months, and nothing happens, so I want to upload it directly to Ubuntu, so there comes a, well, what they call Divergencia, you have a package, well, packages in Debian, almost always the version has the upstream version, Geon 1, Geon 2, Geon 3, and in Ubuntu it happens that there is an upstream version, Geon version of Debian, and then they say Ubuntu something, so the packages that say Ubuntu something are the ones that were modified in Ubuntu, but currently it is already less that amount, because the community has worked a lot, in which everything goes directly to Debian. I mean, you focused a lot on the packages. Yes. Other types of collaborations can be done from other distributions, from other operating systems, I think there is no, or the Debian community, if they have a limiter that they are going to cooperate in translations, they have to use Debian, they are going to cooperate in... Well, look, I haven't worked a lot, I haven't contributed a lot in that line of translations or some other, to write documentation, for example, I've never... I've been involved in that, because I've been involved in a lot, but I don't know how the method is, maybe in the translation chat we can see that, because I've even asked myself, what happens with the translations that you do in Ubuntu, do they go to Debian, or do they go directly to upstream? I'm not sure, I don't know... Yes, because we know that the translations in Ubuntu are a web platform, while I know that it's for the file, or with a system of all versions. Yes, so... If there are no more questions, I don't know, I wouldn't have questions left. I think that's it. Thank you, thank you very much.