 You ever sell cocaine? Yeah, I sold cocaine, I done sold heroin, I done sold pills, I done sold every drug you done there, I been a hustler. Just being popular, they came to the town, we did, did a record with them, so I did a record with Benny Segal. We did records with Baby, Juvenile, BG, Capone and Nori, E40, Belegit, Shine. Pretty much whoever was popping at that timeframe, we did some records with them. Yeah, we on boss talk one on one, one on one. Yeah, we gon' talk. A little inspiration on the early stage, Rook. You know, I'm talking about grade school, coming up, what neighborhood, all that good stuff. I grew up on the West Side, West Side. I grew up on the West Side, West Side Detroit. You know, I grew up in the hood, you know, my parents was drug dealers, you know, my mom was in and out of jail, dad was in and out of jail, so I was raised by my grandmother, you know. Me and my little cousin, so we grew up below the last fortunate kinda section eight. Yeah, yeah, section eight. Covered this up to the house and just trying to figure it out. Yeah. Make a better way. So I had good times and bad times. When my mama was home, you know, she made it happen, made it all right. And when she was gone, me and grandma was trying to figure it out. She did the best she could with what she had. She made it work. So it was all good. You know, I was an athlete, played football and basketball and stuff like that. How old was you when you started playing football? Eight. Oh yeah, eight. You played all the way up to high school? All the way up to high school. Wow, that's good. So your mom and dad, what was the choice of drugs that they sold? Cocaine, heroin. Cocaine in the back of the ride. Yeah, yeah, heroin too, right. Cause that was, what was that boo? That was in the 70s? 70s, 80s. I was born in late 70s. Well, okay. So 70s and 80s. Mama and daddy was hustling? Yeah, daddy went to the fairs twice. Mama went to the trial with the fairs. She won, but she wasn't stayed during a couple of times. Wow. So growing up like that, I know we had Charlotte Lowe Jr. on here. He grew up like that in Bowen Homes. He was just down in, shout out, Charlotte Lowe Jr., man. But he gave the same type of spiel, man. Growing up like that, what kind of things did you see for us transpiring between, you know, did you ever see the cops interacting with your mom, Neil? Or did they ever, when the first time you seen and knew that, hey man, we hustling over here? Shit, you see that day one, like, I mean, my mom, when she was selling drugs, like I didn't sell drugs with my mom. She was boosting. I didn't went boosting with my mom. Yeah. I didn't want to see my dad at the fairs. I don't want to see my mom at state prison. So. Wow. And my family is doing like, you get a certain age, you got a sack. Like it was them, they're like, no. Well, how old was you when you got your first sack? Let's talk about it. Man, I was hustling price about 11. At 11, you were selling a what? Weed. Weed? Because I, It was the first drug I started selling weed. Weed, yeah, yeah. And so did you ever sell cocaine? Yeah, I sold cocaine. I don't sell heroin. I don't sell pills. I don't sell every drug. You're there in there to sell. I've been a hustler. Like I was selling candy. I worked around my living room. Yeah. When Penny Candy was going on. So. Yeah. So I was listening in on, I looked back at, I seen your Big D moguls interview. And you were saying that street lawyer was around before BMF. Is that true? Or you just, I mean. No, it's like, no, I ain't no cap. Like what I'm saying is like BMF was around. Like I ain't gonna knock on them guys to say they wasn't hustling. They weren't getting money. But I'm saying in Detroit, BMF wasn't the shit that was popping. Street lawyers was the shit that was popping. Like it's no knock to say they wasn't getting money or they weren't doing anything. Because I'm sure they was, you know. But the guys who was talked about at that time frame was not BMF. It was the street lawyers. So. Okay. So when did it, when did the street lawyers? They came a little later there, right? Yeah, yeah. When did the street lawyers get bumped out the way? We got indicted in 2002. Some of us got indicted in 2002. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So that basically ended the whole, how many people was it in the street lords? Out of the rap group, it was probably like five of us that literally rap. But around that was involved, it might have been 10, 15. When I got indicted, it was like 23 people in the case. But all of us didn't get indicted on that case. Like Street Lord Wine, he wanted to catch the letter case. He caught the case when I came home. And he just came home. Like, he'd been home a little over a year or nine. Yeah. And some of them got killed, you know. So it's been a big mess going on throughout that process. But you know, we definitely, where you hear that Detroit sound on music from T Grizzly and Sada and Babyface Ray, a lot of that stuff come from the street lords, Big Shine. You see them give it up and show us love and respect. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you know, I know you guys, when you were doing the music during that time, I seen you on a photo with Benny Siegel. How did you guys link up? Just being popular, they came in at the time, we did a record with them. So I did a record with Benny Siegel. We did records with Baby, Juvenile, BG, Capone and Nori, E40, Belegit, Shine. Pretty much whoever was popping at that time frame, we did some records with them. Who was the realest out of all those guys you just named? What? So, yeah, yeah, I guess always. Which one of them niggas was real? See, because we talk about real on here and I see them niggas, I ain't tripping. I'm a street nigga for real. Like, I get it. I'm like, you really? I'm just on this side, I'm in Texas, but I'm from nothing, from the trenches, bro, and my people hustle too. So I get it. That's why I sit behind the seat, because I know when it's real, you know what I'm saying? So, which one of them dudes was in the room that you could feel the energy that they really about what they say? I fuck with Belegit, hell it's tough. Like, Belegit was my guy, you know what I'm saying? I fuck with Belegit, Dazz was cool. Every two shirts was cool, they were all cool guys. I'm not talking about cool, I'm talking about real. Really, you know, when they come to the hood, they gonna pull up? Belegit, you see what I'm saying? Belegit in the hood, yeah, yeah, yeah. Them niggas wasn't all in the hood, them niggas quiet. A lot of times, them niggas quiet, I done been around them niggas, man. Hey, Belegit on the block with us, man. Belegit on the block with us, he ain't in the hood with us. It's great.