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These are the words of our governor, Alfred Mutua, Machakos governor brother, Meshinewa. Well, he was trying to bid for presidency come 2022, and he does wish or says that Kenya is at a stalemate when it comes to development because of bad governance. I don't know if you think we're correct to say this, or he's correct to say this as well. So make sure you do weigh in on the conversation. But with me in studio today, I have our leaders themselves. And you know, in the spirit of politics, we want to hold them accountable. We have the national youth leaders for very, very big parties here in this country. We do have lawyers in the house. We have student leaders in the house. We have various counties represented. So it's about time I allow them to introduce themselves. Karibuni, Sana studio. Good morning once again. My name is Kevin Kyary, National Youth Leader Jubilee Party and the president of the Home Youth Initiative. Good morning, Kenyans. My name is Apea Apea, the current National Youth Leader, Thadria Lyons Kenya. We are the champions of this constitutional amendment. Okay. Good morning, viewers. My name is Karim Merimo, in charge of the public ties and communication at the Youth Senate Kenya. Good morning, Kenyans. I'm Dominic Odei in Aguta. I'm the outgoing chair of Elemental Youth Delegates. Thank you. Good morning, Kenyans. I'm a champion, a student leader at UN. Good morning, Kenyans. My name is Denny Boccato. I'm an advocate of the High Court of Kenya and a political and legal analyst. Good morning, Kenyans. My name is Siratun Lemayan. I'm a student leader at UN. Good morning, Kenyans. My name is Esaab Chariot. I'm a student at the African-American University, Aguta. Good morning, Kenyans. My name is Mohamed Mutea-Rabine. I'm from the Paz, part of Kenya, Odei County. I'm a student leader at UN. I'm also a member of the speaker of UN. Good morning, viewers. My name is Pesta Sarros, from Manila County, lost to the African-American University. At the same time, I'm a leader in the school and I'm a politician. A politician? Wow, then in the right corner. All right, so in the morning, we have a look at one clip where Alfred Mutea was stating that he did wish to become the president, come to age 22. And just before we delve into the drama that is happening inside the Jubilee party, somebody here is from Baringo. I'm hearing that Lufthani Kano and Jubilee are going to front the same country. They come to age 22. That's according to your leaders. But it's about here. We're just here. Let's just hear what one Alfred Mutea had to say. All right, so I need to give my directions. I'm trying to get that clip. But Kelvin and Appio. But let me first start with Appio because you have the referendum that you guys are trying to push for. How many signatures are you at for Punguza Misego? So far, we presented 1.4 million signatures. 1.4 million? A month ago, to the IBC for verifications and ratifications. And that is what you're waiting. We had already presented our bill and I think that after IBC shall have cleared that, then the next course of action will be taking this thing to the counties because we need at least 24 counties, county assemblies, I mean, to again ratify that. And then I think we're on the good course. Thank God it is only five lines that started the debate about we need to change our constitution. It is too much expensive to implement and to put in place as we stand. And it was a burden of the taxpayer. So far, so good. We have succeeded in our preliminary steps. Kenyans have endorsed us. We have 1.4 million. They are with the IBC. We are waiting for verifications. And the next course of action will be us prescribed by the constitution of Kenyans. It's okay. Wow. Waki, would you like to respond to that? Is our constitution too expensive? Well, it is. However, it's quite arbitrary listening to taxpayer liars being the ones introducing the amendment. Knowing very well it's Dr. Kuro got a good friend of mine who sat in the committee of experts who came up with this constitution. So these are questions that we must ask. Why now? Why now that the constitution has become expensive to learn, whereas he was a man the people who fronted this. Of course, he has given his own defense as to who still hold account of him. However, it is of import to have a critical look at this constitution. Few minutes ago I was given my analysis on Molembe in regards to the constitution. Many people voted for this constitution not based on what they know, based on the political affiliation. So it's at the correct time that you really have a critical look at this constitution and do realize whether it supports the Wajikos agenda. All right, it supports the Wajikos agenda. Before all of you commented on it, we must listen to government outside Mutua first and then we can all talk about it just briefly. To run a campaign to teach our people how to choose the right leaders for this country. Not based on tribe, not based on the biggest thief in the room. You get my thinking. Are you with me? Don't you think we run a campaign for the next three years? The 2022 elections will elect better people. We're going to make life better for our people. The first president of this country Mzé Jomo Kinyata, sorry, Mzé Jomo Kinyara was imprisoned by the British. He got out of prison. He said he wanted to change Kenya. He became the first president. Pre-independence systems. He fought for independence. The second president of this country, Daniel Arap Moi, served in the Legico, the Legislative Council, the parliament of the colonial era. He was in Lancaster, right in the constitution. Pre-independence. The third president of this country, Muay Kibaki, was the secretary general, the executive secretary of Kau before it became Kamnu, before independence. Pre-independence. Ogingo Dinga refused to take up the prime minister position until Kinyata was freed. Pre-independence. We look at everything that we've been doing has been pre-independence. We have a new constitution. President Urumuge Kinyata is the first president under the new constitution. We've all been putting up a foundation for Kenya. Raila Odinga fought for democracy, changing the constitution, and everything. Putting foundation. We have put, we've just been laying the foundation. And these are my heroes. Jomo Kinyata, you know, Gingo Odinga, Daniel Arap Moi, Muay Kibaki, Pare Pare. They are all my heroes. They have done a great job. But we cannot continue being in a foundation stage forever, my friends. We have transition. These leaders are great. They have put us into the bus. They have taken Kenya to where it is. They have taken us to the airport. But now we need a different type of pilot who is going to fly us to New York City. It can't be the same type of leadership to make this country fly. And I'm not only saying this because I'm running for president in 2022, but also because I believe that the change lies in us. That's clear. But I wanted you guys to have a listen to what our Alfred Mutua said because he said that the leaders that we have now have just taken us to the airport. It's up to us to take the flight and to go towards where it is that we want to go. But before we talk about out with the old and in with the new, there's a referendum or a proposed referendum here. And I'd like to hear from the young people, have you heard about it? Are you among the 1.4 million signatures for Pungusam Ziko for that way? Please, can we hear from you? Oh yeah, yeah, please go ahead. Okay, on the issue of the Pungusam Ziko what I can say about this thought is good. Something good, yes. Finally, hold the microphone. But it's something good, yes. But we have to consider first of all that what is this Pungusam Ziko? What do we want to Pungusa? Because we cannot just say that we need to Pungusa and then we don't know, we lose the objective of our constitution because at the end of the day the constitution exists for a purpose. And then if we say right now we need to Pungusam Ziko in which sense are we going to Pungusa? Pungusam Ziko, you know? You have to respond to that. It's a good question. We have to ask ourselves first of all before proceeding with the issue of Pungusam Ziko. But Pungusam Ziko is fine. It's fine. I don't have any problem with it. Okay, let me hear from Wajir. Wajir, have you guys heard about this? Yes, yes, we've heard about it. But personally from the perspective of the Ojiya you were from there. I think recently in Kenya sometimes we can say that we're going to have a referendum that is going to Pungusam Ziko. But at the same time there's some, it's creating some post for the guys who are the top in the government. Like if you say we're going to create a post for the prime minister and two deputy prime ministers. Actually, I'm the president, the deputy president, the executive, the parliamentarians, we have the senators, we have the governors. That's a lot. I think we need to come up with a referendum that is going to improve the lives of the young people, is going to improve the lives of the common minority. Not only we don't have to look at the perspective of where it's going to create positions for the leaders who lose political seats. Kelvin, do you feel like you want to weigh in on that? Yes, yes. First and foremost, I would like to ask ourselves as a country are we at right for constitutional change? Are we at implemented fully the constitution of Kenya 2010? When we voted for that constitution we were promised and we saw that we revived the county government system which was the Majimo system back then. Have we yet fully, have we yet seen or felt the impact of these county governments in our counties? Has the current leadership have they fully represented us? We as the youths, are we fully represented? Do we air out our views in parliament? Are we even represented in government? So before we go for a referendum that's the question we should ask ourselves. Yet is it right for Kenya for this change? All right, Api, would you like to comment on how the youth are represented in your view of everything? Maybe to respond to some of the issues raised by Wakili. Yes. That number one, they're wondering why Dr. Kuro Kot is advocating for a constitutional change yet it was one of the, I think the chief expert in the constitution that was implemented promulgated in 2010. I think Kenyans and anyone who probably have got a knowledge of law knows that constitutional making is a negotiated process. And when we talk of negotiation that is why it is written in the pre-armable. Me, I'm not alloyed by profession but if you look at the constitution each constitution whether for organization for a country for an NGO for any form of government in the pre-armable it is written we the people. It is not written I Dr. Kuro Kot or I the chief expert or I the CEO of this constitution. So all of us need to understand that constitution is a negotiated process because there was public participation. There were views from all stakeholders in the societies from religion from civil rights societies from people in government from opposition so it was a negotiated process. About Punguzo Mizibo what he's saying it's quite ironical to say that Punguzo Mizibo is good then at the same time you're saying that you don't know what what is the content or what you need to Punguzo. To me probably you didn't read our 16 points. I think the fundamental argument about Punguzo Mizibo was that number one Kenyans were overrepresented as we speak both the Bicameral Parliament both the Senate and the National Assembly we have 416 members of parliament and the 416 members of parliament averagely the cost of one per month to sustain one member of parliament in Kenya the country spent 1 million every month for each member of parliament so the fundamental of the Punguzo Mizibo debate was that number one we are overrepresented we cannot be speaking today that we want to implement a constitution that is already abiding to the society and that is why we said I agree with you and I agree with all of you that when people were passing or when the county was passing this constitution it was so unanimous that people didn't even have this time to read and to understand but all of us knows that the current constitution that we are having is one of the most progressive constitution we are having across the world because we are dedicating the whole of Chapter 6 speaking about integrity what a person is supposed to have for you to be in an office or what so I think any progressive constitution in the country and Wakili I think you can confirm this always you must have a loopholes and always you must have room for development and that is why after implementing it whether it has been fully implemented or a half implemented or a quarter implemented we have realized as a country that this constitution is expensive to implement because we cannot be having 416 members of parliament and if you go to Thrukhana if you go to Samburu if you go to different places of this country if you look about the youths the rate of unemployment and we are spending one million in sustaining one member of parliament so that is why we came up with a tag Pungose Mizigo to know Pungose number one we need to have a manageable number in parliament okay then we go back to the constitution thank you all right all right I think he has given a very good defense oh you would you like to respond yeah okay well first three points first two we are overrepresented as a country but you see the thing about Kenya Kenya is a special country when compared to most countries because we have 42 tribes in Kenya most countries do not have that many ethnic tribes so in as much as we are overrepresented do you really think we need to think about satisfying the political tensions in the country if at independence we had 188 members of both parliaments both houses we had both houses but they were 188 and there's an argument that Kenya has not grown inside so why should we have more people representing us but the thing that has happened is that our politics has evolved right and that if we were to bring some of these positions have been specifically created so that we can satisfy some some tribes if I can speak politely and if we were to take away these positions you see we would yes we would cure the problem of now we are not overly represented but now we would we would like we would create a a genesis of a new problem some communities would feel like they are not included in government so yes expanding representation cure this problem that every community now gets a space we are able to include everyone in government my second point is that I'm a very young person I'm 21 years old so I've only witnessed one referendum and I was really young 2005 my main problem with it is that every time that we have a referendum it's not engineered to solve any societal problem it's not engineered to help the youth referendums in Kenya happen when we have political rifts and I think everyone on set will agree with me so we need to run away from that mentality and whatever background story is fed to the public you know we want a referendum because of this the underlying principle is that we have political rifts and that's why we have referendums my final point would be to agree with Bonakia and Wakili that I've studied constitution alone and I can agree that when constitutions we promote against our constitution only nine years ago I think every constitutional scholar would agree that that is an incredibly short time anybody saying that you know we need to rethink this constitution has not really allowed the time to work and therefore we cannot like we cannot progress from that from that point of thought thank you okay okay can we make this quick because you need to move on my thinking concerning the Fungusamzigo issue is the impact it will have on women being represented in political leadership because the amendments that Thadwia Lanz have is that they'll be scrapping of the women repositions and the senator so does it mean that we are now retrogassing to a place where women's voices in the national policy making space will be removed totally because as at now the reason why we had the 47 women reps is to make sure that these people who are never elected on a normal election basis are represented in policy making so how are we going to ensure that also we maintain that voice of women in the national assembly with the reduction in members of parliament or senators but in our in our document we are clear what we're saying is that as we are scrapping of the women representative we want one person elected a man elected in a county and a woman are you getting me we have a woman representative for in fact we are speaking about gender balance our document speaks about gender balance because in what we are advocating in our proposal is that as we are doing a election to parliament we need first to elect one person in the whole county and one woman one man and one woman that is what I'm trying to say so we are not scrapping it off we are bringing gender balance and I think the women in this country should pick that idea as fast as possible because that is the only thing that is going to bring harmony to our gender balance enough about that way can we now move on yes can we now move on when it comes to holding our leaders accountable and also when it comes to creating opportunities for us young people there was some studies that was done by G-activate Kenya and it asked the young people how do you cover your daily expenses somebody talked about unemployment being part of the issue where we are not even we are not even if we are represented we are almost not represented we are just we are hovering like even lack of information has become quite an issue and 31 percent of our young people said that casual labor imagine 31 percent casual labor 15 percent small business owner family support 14 14 percent small-scale farming 7 percent gambling and betting 5 percent I don't know if my director can show that here self-employment 5 percent savings from employment 5 percent goodness informal employment 5 percent formal employment 4 percent part-time employment 2 percent creative arts and sports 2 percent borrowing 1 percent volunteer jobs 1 percent so that is how by the young people in our country are surviving and statistics release that we have a almost over 20 percent of our population between the age of 15 and 24 years I'm seeing even their wealth represented yes someone is 21 someone is 21 surprises but anyway yes so we want to talk about the youth leaders who are representing us especially Kelvin the biggest one jubilee party yes we would like to know what have you been doing when it comes to solving the issue of unemployment among the young people well uh I would like to say that the government is trying we have now the youth funding and the weather funding now they are trying to consolidate it to be a share of fund what the government has done does increased fund funds to this to this to this organization not upon us as youth to take this opportunity to go out there because I know even in Baringo many of the youth they are known about youth fund and this kind of fund Baringo is that true yes Mr Kiare cannot be here but putting that you know it's Baringo an army I can confirm it you are among the few sorry to say you are among the few who is who is exposed I can confirm it because as much as we are jamia of Gadji but we don't understand these things after all because we are from the school but we know okay you have to remember that it is a source of leaders we had the first the second president from there then whatever you are telling us that you know about a youth fund is a lie because I don't think the government is a fact I can prove it the government is doing nothing so much about it you guys are doing nothing Gadji the youth leaders who have been elected who have got who have been lucky to be in the parliament or executive or whatever yes they are there but they say that they fear the leaders I know of the microphone they associate with them they say that they fear the leaders or they associate with them to to aid and obey them in abducting their responsibilities because you cannot tell me that can't be that is a direct accusation ahead no let him finish let him finish okay you cannot tell me that the leaders who are youth 21 years 24 years 25 35 31 then we are still facing the problem we are facing 55 years ago what is it and we are in the 21st century we need to develop a mechanism whereby we cap these challenges in a modern way but you cannot just be there and instead of yes what I can say they have done is that they have motivated most of the youth to go for these posts that's that's perfect they have got the youth to be leaders they have got they have they have given the youth principles of leadership but the problem is they have never thought of anything empowering them that's the problem can you can you make a step and what try to come up with policies familiar policies which will help the youth solve the issue of unemployment the issue of drugs and such stuff and and education but in terms of motivating yes they are well they are they are well so jubilee is good at motivating exactly yes that isn't it well to count a third I would like to say that if the problem is us as youths we have not yet risen up to take these funds and I'm speaking as a matter of fact in the on the ground because we find that even in the consequence most of these funds they end up being recycled back because we have not yet taken these funds why don't you organize ourselves as groups we take these funds let us tell the government that they are no more funds because we have already taken these funds and we are doing business with them and now we go ahead and ask the government now what are you guys doing to make sure that we have safe spaces for businesses instead of us keep on complaining that the government is not doing it's not doing let us rise up they are all their narratives yes that is your role it's their narrative of the youth in in in government okay wait can we can we just can we just but also the constitution mandates if we fail you can do that yourself why do you say it here oh wait wait wait wait but then what can you hold on the details because you attacked the wrong one you mean I'm not the president or even the deputy maybe you can question that you can question that to the right full of those okay now we need to tell me can we be here for this thank you my brother Akiali he's saying that we have the we have a youth fund we have a weather fund and you soon bring Bieshar fund isn't it okay what I can say about these funds they're just circulating between Amal the non people these people these funds they are not going to the ground to the internet group they are not going there in fact you find that somebody was just in fact a leader running a a given executive team but he can take maybe form season company inform users a youth to form a company but in real sense is the person who want to gain so we cannot say we cannot say that the youth have not gone for you have gone for these funds nobody's there to listen to us they just keep on postponing us just wait what we are working on this the the funds are not there they have not been brought those are so the thing is that Dominique I'm hearing a lot of corruption you're talking about corruption exactly that's corruption is everything these funds for the youth they are not coming to the intended groups like for example in my county that's Kisi county who is a fund for the youth or youth fund it has never even come out there's no giving information to the people to the youth that come for these funds do this we have this fund it's for the youth there's not that basic education to the internet group so even the youth they even don't know what who is a fund is what youth fund is so that's why and these people are running the funds well Dominique hold on hold on in their defense the information is out there so we cannot say that there's new information the information is out there so plus can we be fair to the government as well but not to all people okay so can we you know we are just within the urban area but just go the ground no Dominique can we please I challenge you to do that you can do that you are exposed you can do that you can do that Kisi county and you try and try and eradicate these many you try and eradicate the youth there that there is this fund oh so that is your job as a youth leader they are hunts you are hunts I say what I'm getting to the point yeah we go with the funds Dominique you are very crafty all right very nice well allow me to also weigh in on that discussion especially now that you mentioned youth funder I think the start of a solution is acknowledging that is a problem and that's one thing that the government hasn't done we all know very well I mean factually what the youth do is being exploited and you do realize that as much as we have ways of personally I tried applying for that thing and I can assure you the bureaucracy in those offices you will cry and you do remember some time back people went with chains and locked the door you remember it was me who led that okay you are the one you can check that it was me who led that yeah I'm so happy of such a decision and a move that tells you of the tiredness we are in I mean it's so annoying if we can have 5% of the youth population getting money from betting imagine it's so sudden I think the government is not keen on implementing article 55 of the constitution the government is not keen in implementing article 100 of the constitution I think what the government is doing they play too much lip service and tell us how how good the things we will give you at the campaign period but once they get into those offices all they do they tell you also the youth are to blame for this problem because if we don't stand up right now and say we as the youth we are no longer going to eat that money of yours what we want is deliver what are you going to bring so I think it's time I'm so happy I'm sitting with youth leaders it is time in your whole small spheres of influence this is the message that we now want to start taking out there I mean it's it's no longer politics as usual we call it politics unusual the game is changing right now it's 2019 only three years to 2022 let the narrative change and it's us who are going to change that narrative okay can I hear from from Brad do you have something to say you're the youth leaders I'm hearing people saying that the information needs to reach home yes I'm hearing a lot of that I'm hearing you echoed Dominic you had echoed the barringo sentiments that you're being motivated but you're not being remunerated so you don't feel they need to to do anything about it I heard that loud and clear okay Brad thank you I want to say that I've been into conversations about the the funds the Beershara funds they wanted to bring in the youth fund ways of fund and all this but up to now we have not been told about like what we reflected on the report about all this and we were told at that function that we should not think of unemployment as an issue but I think I differ as the youth we need jobs we need jobs because we are learned and also we want to go far so I think the government can provide us with full information outside there so that even if we are applying for jobs for these funds we know because there's no full information there's just limited information and that's where the problem starts yes all right in fact actually there's more statistics from G-activate and they said that when it comes to devolution because the devolution concept was to bring the people closer to the government so that there's not this big gap that people are experiencing when we had the national government previously however when the young people were asked if they knew the definition of devolution 89% of them gave a very different thing 11% gave a very different understanding so there's an issue of information for sure so can I have one of you comment on that has devolution assisted us when it comes to making our leaders accountable Asaf go ahead hello again I would like to take you back a little bit to comment on what the referendum for that way allows you talking about I think this is not a right time for us to talk of constitutional change because nine years is not enough like it's so early for us to talk of constitutional change we must test the water first let's test the waters let's fit try fit ourselves in this show because we are the one who chose or the one who voted for this constitutional change in 2010 so please that way allowance you can just hold your drafts for 2030 or 2032 for us to test first this water is on wezo fund or what we call the government funding for youth I would like to comment that you see the government anything which is public is amaze I can say that because is that what amaze amaze yeah okay because if you want to accept some fund from the government you must have a higher or a higher higher higher hand for you to access it you know that like we are all Kenyans we know these things so I cannot come from a small village with a dad let's say a god herder and access this funds that's the reality of the ground this money will go to those people whom this leaders know them so you will find some groups in the in the grounds which they call themselves youth groups but they know directly to they are connected directly to their leaders so what I can say is that the government can use ways of fund for this year when it's amaze then they change it to be a share next year so to sound like it's a different thing yeah again on what you said on devolution like it to me I see it help a little bit but to some extent it extended corruption I you know this it's extended corruption Kevin I really like to hear there's these people who used to like watch corruption on the they are on tvs like they govern us they had no chance to get there but when they were given these seats they now access them we are at large so like it extended corruption that's what I can say all right all right I'm I'm Wajir Muhammad sorry I'm Mohamed since devolution we had the first tamak road in Wajir I knew you'd have a lot to say when we come to Nairobi is only when you see the tamak the tamak road we are saying we're going to Kenya but now it's changing but I think devolution has its own challenges when we talk about how has it affected the youth the impact of the youth so like when you say youth we have the ministry at the national level ministry of youth and public service but when you come to to the county level when you talk about devolution you're told Imam Abu Jannah go and talk it at the national level oh my god yes sometimes because they do not set some funds for the for the youth so I think that that's a very big problem like when you when you say like when you have a problem of radicalization the radicalization is mainly brought by high level of unemployment the youth have nothing to do that's why they join Al-Shabaab because most of the radicalized groups now this are university graduates so why will a university graduate join a radicalized group like Al-Shabaab because there's no jobs there's no employment and uh there's no Mohammed let me let me can't you short somewhere there you had uh when I was talking to you earlier you had talked about how the residents are also to blame when it comes to holding the leaders accountable yes what were you talking about you know that we are to blame for the problems that we have this is because we have the clan system for example uh when the when when we have elections we have the clan system whereby you approach your clan you say I want to buy even that clan system is corrupt because it's about money and disciplines so if you are a very young person you have ideas but you don't have money you're being told you are you're you're very young respect the elders okay that's the main problem so that is what is stifling also young people from getting to positions of power yes can you please respond before we move a father because I feel like now people are getting a bit excited so can you please hear from me before we forget well in 2017 I contested for an MCA seat oh but maybe what I learned most is that for youth to be an elective post you must have money a lot of it because even the youth themselves they will never support you that man because you have that mentality it's on our own mindset if we can be able to revolution revolutionalize our mindset then we can be able to change this country because we can't have the same narrative that talk to people how do you expect this person you're elected to get money basically you're forcing him to steal so that you can be able to recover the money spent on campaigns that's the challenge that we have as an Asia yes on the issue of I can give an example on the pros and cons of devolution for instance in massive it I interacted with some few MCAs a while back and they told me they have the counter-revolution fund this fund is used by the youth in the counting of massive it well don't we challenge our governors we have this fund or we challenge the Senate and article 96 that it's upon now it's upon time that we have we devolve this youth fund yes instead of it being at the national level let's have it at the county level so that it can it cannot be able to be accessed by everyone even at the the smallest point in the village OPIO as Santisana OPIO can you hear from me do you have anything to say about this issue of devolution has it helped us what do you have to say about when it comes to electing young leaders or people want us to have money so how do we get out with the old and in with the new I think on devolution the devolution had got a good gesture or it was meant probably to have more money at the county levels money close to people but I think as we speak in Kenya today it is a recipe of corruption in fact devolution is one of the the key recipe of corruption as we speak in this country today I think the problem that maybe we are having as a country today that is making devolution not even to work I think it is a high time we even make politics a less attractive venture you get it if we can have because there is one time Auditor General gave a proposal that we need to have head of government and head of state you get it let us make politics a less attractive venture because currently I'm sure all of you here all of us we have political ambitions but as youths as we speak now it will be very difficult for you to clench a political seat in this country today because of the nature and the terrain of Kenyan politics but if you go outside today people will demand money people will say like oh give us something small so we are also to blame as a population it's not only our leaders all right so can I need two final comments I need to add something maybe will you need the microphone if I'm allowed to please please but I wanted that very very quickly it's important the other day Justin Muturi speak of the National Assembly gave his suggestions when the BBI committee visited him and he's suggesting in regards to devolution that we no longer allow governors to vie for electric positions what we do the parties with majority persons in the area nominate or rather present names these names are taken to the senate for vetting purposes and thereafter the president appoints these people I think for us to achieve devolution we need technocrats not politicians okay that is the route to go technocrats that's what we need when it comes to development yes can we have the final comments please please I think the young people haven't harnessed the potential of devolution given that a lot of young people focus on the presidency seat which they consider to be the most powerful but I think the governor seat is more powerful yes because I always say that if if as young people we elect the right mcs our mcs will put the governor accountable and this will help deliver services to the people so I would say let us focus less on the presidency and more on the governor seat because even if we have a not so good president but we have good governors I'm sure we will have more development at the ground that is correct okay Hilda then you'll finish first allow allow me to take you to Kisi County we have the the CS for youth gender and social welfare Islam is Duke Maingah Alliance HRT I want to tell you this guy has brought a lot of changes in Kisi County wow the stadium which was started in 1972 it has never had any structures only the gates in fact if you go there right now only the gates only the gates if you go right now there the field is good we have a good podiums the ground is good everything is good we have a wall in fact a powerful stadium so that's under his leadership he has also engulfed the youth from among in the county from different sub counties they have their leaders they are told what to do he organizes for maybe some welfares for them so that one that's something which is credible we as the youth we support those people the youth who are in power because they have done okay okay can I take please one minute exactly we have to we have to give everybody an opportunity but because you have mentioned our youth our youth who is working and who has done something and has built a stadium don't you think we need to appreciate somebody like that sindio let's clap for this man