 I wish I had more insight. I guess Daniel Eck is saying something that he knows I want to give him the benefit of the doubt but there is also that Erring on the side of he just might be pleasing investors like you just stated you know. He was also quizzed on after the report and he got an interview with Music Ally and they quizzed him on the new artist fundraising pick so I'm not sure if you're aware obviously last month we talked about they're going to add in this like donation tipping feature and it's now available instead of the artist's like track pick you can choose on your Spotify for artists to have an artist fundraising pick where you can put a link to a charity or a link to your cash app or PayPal and he was asked whether this is going to stick around because that's the big thing everyone's wondering is it going to be taken out again once this crisis is over and he seemed to indicate that nothing's set in stone but the feedback has been very positive over 50,000 artists have used it so far so he was saying there's certainly no reason to take it out. Yeah sort of question is like is this opportunistic or is this a true add-on in featuring when I look at it what I thought was brilliant about that story was actually from the cash app angle honestly and how they're incentivizing artists with that extra hundred dollars. Yeah for the first there's a million dollars isn't there and then everyone well the funds you use cash app get the hundred dollar bonus if they get donations yeah like that that's the viral loop and how you want to build additional uh you know user universe when it comes to uh platforms I love the fact that cash app is doing that just from a business standpoint I think obviously it's going to work because why wouldn't people go ahead and get that extra hundred dollars banks do that all the time too right open an account you get extra 200 dollars if you jump through all these hoops for six months but um I think I think that's really cool when it comes to the fundraising feature though in general I actually kind of didn't understand it it just felt like fluff. Well I'm not a fan of it um I think I think um other platforms are doing it better so the example for Spotify you've given you a choice obviously you can either choose links to a charity or you can put your cash up or PayPal in this is presenting artists with like a difficult dilemma here because obviously naturally the bigger artists are going to plump for the charity you know to help raise my own support and obviously fans are going to look upon that very favoringly if you're an independent artist you've got this like dilemma whether you want to you know how you want to present yourself to your fans because obviously a lot of fans probably think you've got a lot more money than you actually do and they actually might really need this money but might feel pressured into giving charity instead on on the page so this is very becomes a very big dilemma for them like a little guilt tripping whereas other platforms like TikTok has just got straight up just got a charity donation feature so you choose a charity and then money goes to them there's no like because you can already get money for tipping live on that platform so I've done it right it's given you a charity way and SoundCloud's support button feature lets you choose a link during complete control that could be a charity that could be you know PayPal or cash out but that could also just be a link to your website to sell your merch or to bandcamp you got a lot more control with SoundCloud and my TikTok has already bested both worlds but Spotify's given you this very difficult problem about how you want to present yourself and your fans so I don't think it's been handled the best way well that's why I was wondering like why was why did I even add it I wasn't familiar to everybody else added it so maybe okay now we want to keep keep up with the wave of what everybody else is doing of course there's a lot of copycat but at the end of the day I don't get that yeah that's not the artist responsibility like they could because you could very well say through your own tipping feature you could say I'm going to donate all this to charity you have to be a charity specific feature so that is weird but at the end but why would we expect Spotify to do anything else right they something like this you look at TikTok and all the other platforms they're doing what you said where it's kind of the onus is on them to to set up the system and handle that Spotify is repeatedly when it benefited them put all the onus on the artist where it seems like we're doing something good but it really is giving all the work for the good to them like they get the good of hey we brought this feature here there's yeah we're done right and now the work is on the artist so like that's that's just how the platform has moved for the last five years it seems like at least but Daniel like obviously admitted they rushed this feature out so they need to get it out because everyone else was sort of like doing it or thinking about doing it and they just need to have something in place so they're responding to the crisis but the way it's structured you know you can either choose like go fund me or straight to Spotify's COVID-19 project or you put PayPal or cash out there's such few like options and I didn't realize so then you can get in bed with their specific project too exactly yes it's all carefully it's all carefully planned yeah yeah this is this is so rushed we didn't even think about it which is a nice scapegoat for it being done well the accusations like what we we're talking about right now why this this kind of lends towards your own political connects or reasoning or whatever you're doing so yep we can always lean on well we just rushed this we didn't really think it through because um Bobby Ozinski did an article for Forbes saying that he hopes that you know it doesn't put out as under too much pressure and that fans may look upon them you know for the altruistic reasons you should you know give you know give to charities instead but some fans may look upon it unfavorably to be asking for money for artists so you just got a hope of the balances there but yeah that's the reason for fan education man like we need these fans to understand that artists really don't make money like that but even more so we need these artists to like quit parading around as if they have more and not being afraid to say we only have this much right now yeah they shouldn't feel guilty for asking for it on there and this is what this kind of adoption of it could indicate that they might like it's not the best way to handle things yeah I think somebody at some point will be more open about it actually fair fair enough Cardi B was pretty open about that and even when she wasn't in a rut because sometimes people will come more open about those things when they're in a rut but I remember a year or two ago Cardi was explaining how she puts her own money up for for the show she was doing and she was paying 300k for this and like her outfit maintenance caused this and she was just putting that out there but she she's she's kind of a a rare bird where it doesn't seem like she hides much or it allows any of those errors to come on to her to back back but I think if a few more artists really start to do that and just make it clear fans will know hey I'm gonna support my artists that much more that much more now if there's a way to do that without bringing the record label side of things now because then they'll be even better because obviously I think a lot of fans would be they would be shocked disgusted surprised if they really knew right what the splits and what they're where their money went when it comes to them thinking they give they're giving to an artist in most cases hmm and especially so to give more information on the tiktok one obviously you can already get tipped via live streams like directly as a creator so they've chosen to focus purely on you know raising money for you know certain organizations for these donation stickers so use the hashtag double your impact so if you if you're a creator you can put a sticker on your story and you can choose which um you as a creator choose where it goes to so at the moment you can go to cdc foundation james beer foundation meals on wheels musiccares um national pta the actors fund there's a few more as well so you get to choose where it goes to out of those and you'll see click the button and obviously choose how much you want to donate tiktok's going to match that donation as well up until may 27th whatever you put in tiktok will also put in I think just a much smarter way of doing it then yeah you can essentially market it as an influencer where it sounds like you can really put multiple out there and bring attention to multiple versus having to choose one and have a a specific space where it belongs for a given amount of time am I hearing that correctly yeah each video could be different you could choose a different one for that but you you get to choose where your donation goes to on that particular video not the not the user yeah I like that I like that and honestly giving and all those types of things are so trendy on tiktok and we have this one campaign that I had to do with the australia fires right and we start the australia fires I was were actually still going on but it had been a news story for maybe it's a few weeks or whatever and not only were they still going on yes they were at the tail end when the fires are over there's damage that's there right the users on tiktok a lot of these kids they're like I don't really want to do this because you know that's kind of old news it's the trend is over no one they didn't they weren't able to associate the fact that yeah this thing created damage it's not over just because it's not being spoken about right it's this is something that um it needs money raised for for some time and it's going to be happening for some time so they haven't a detachment from that but on the inverse of that is they really go hard in those scarce windows yeah both of the trend right and make it cool and it makes them look good they're very without knowing it they're very uh aware of pr also i'll say that like for their own profiles it's the mat work