 Is there an argument that conservative values can work? Anyone that does not align with its agenda is peripheralized, invisibilized, marginalized. So it's like Biden getting pumped up with vitamins and Adderall and caffeine. What's going on? Some people would say that's naive. What I think is naive is assuming we're going to survive on this planet for another 100 years. It does America need to have some more Asian values? So America needs to be more Buddhist. Is that what you're saying? Well, you know... What's going on, everybody? What you're about to watch is an unedited interview with Mary Ann Williamson. This interview happened the day after Joe Biden clinched the nomination, meaning that Mary Ann cannot win, but she continues her journey. So she has a really cool perspective. I recommend you guys watch the whole thing through. There's some jokes, but also a lot of serious talk. And to answer the question, how come I haven't spoken to any Republican candidates on video? Well, the truth is the Republicans aren't hitting me back. The Dems are down to chat, and it's as simple as that. So anyways, guys, hope you enjoy this. Please hit that like button and let's go. Well, thank you for your time. Thank you for giving me... I know you're a very busy person, and I know that even yesterday, there's a lot of news that we got to talk about and go through, but it's an honor to sit down with you because I always like sitting down with anybody who's very smart, intelligent, and brave, runs for president and wants to make an impact and at the very least get their message out. So I think that's why I'm very glad to sit down with you. Thank you. Glad to be here. Thank you for having me. Oh, yeah. I appreciate your time. I guess immediately, I got a notification last night, 15 hours ago, saying that Biden has clinched the primary. I guess where does that leave you? Is that true and what does that mean for you? The president has clinched the nomination. This was not a primary. The DNC said there would be no primary, that they had already decided it would be the president. So I have lived inside the belly of that beast of the way politics operates for the last year. And I see how the system makes sure that anyone that does not align with its agenda is peripheralized, invisibleized, marginalized, erased, in my case. I think that a primary and a political campaign in general, but particularly a presidential campaign, is the most important platform for a conversation for the American people to have among ourselves. I don't know how this conversation of serious, authentic analysis of what is wrong in this country and what we might do to make it right was suppressed. As long as I have all these ballots, I can still use this as an opportunity to talk about these things. In addition to that, I think that anything less than the conversation I'm having, and the Democrats will not win in 2024. I think that this campaign is much more like 2016 than around 2020, than it is like 2020. I feel that similarly to 2016, the Democratic establishment elite has no clue what's going on in this country. When you have 39% of Americans who are reporting that they're regularly skipping meals in order to pay that rent, or unhappy people who are renting can't afford that rent, when people are living paycheck to paycheck, unable to absorb a thousand dollars unexpected expenditure 70%, that's a majority, and then 70% say that they're living with chronic economic anxiety. This is a country that's about to blow. This is not sustainable. This is going to fall in one direction or the other. It's either going to fall in the direction of greater economic hope and opportunity, justice, economic good and inspiration and motivation for real fundamental change in this country, or it's going to fall in the direction of chaos and authoritarianism. I think everything you said is true. I've been hearing that, that's even the Democrats, which democracy is in the name, is even in a way getting in the way of democracy. I mean, a lot of people blame the Republicans for getting in the way of democracy, but it seems like the Democratic Party, maybe not Democrats, but the Democratic Party kind of got in their own way. I guess so, I want to be clear, people can still vote for you on the ballot. You are not stepping out of the race, you have not suspended, even though you came back, you're on the ballot. Yes, people can go to Marianne2024.com. Please support, please donate so that I can continue to travel. I will be in Chicago this week, Arizona, then Louisiana and New York and Missouri. Yeah, I mean, this week, what the DNC decided this year was that the threat to democracy on the part of Donald Trump is so great, and I don't disagree with them on that, but they feel that they're the genuses who know how to deal with this, and they have decided, in their infinite sense of entitlement, that Joe Biden is the best person to beat Trump. And so they basically suppressed democracy in order to, in their mind, save democracy. This is not the traditional role of the political party. It's the very thing that George Washington and John Adams warned us about. It should be the people deciding how to take on Donald Trump. And I agree. I guess real quick about Biden, and we're going to get into some questions about spirituality. I know that you're a very spiritual person. You wrote a lot of books on that. I want to get into the questions about conspiracy theories, just your opinion on it. But Biden, he gave a... Everybody agrees that he gave a good state of the union, but there's also these conspiracies like, oh, he's on Adderall, so it's like Biden getting pumped up with vitamins and Adderall and caffeine. What's going on? Well, I don't have any inside knowledge, but I have eyes with which to see. I have ears with which to hear. Enough said. All right. Well, we're moving on. First of all, I think that the fact that you're still pushing, even though Biden has clenched, and you're still out there on the road, and you're still going to hit up cities, and you're still going to spread your message and make a point and get votes, you're still going to get votes. I think that that is... Yeah, that's very noble of you, and I think that goes to show you your heart for the issues and your message. I guess, quick, have you heard of the... I'm sure you're familiar with this term, the fourth turning? Yes. Do you believe America in this Western society that we're in, and it more applies to, I believe, Anglo societies or Western societies? Do you think we're in the fourth turning and it's generally like that's your feeling? Yes. And that's why I think this is such an important moment to grab the wheel of history. So the political... I call it a political media industrial complex because the media is very much a part of it. They like work in partnership. It's very stuck in a 20th century transactional model of politics, which sees that if we allow the real regeneration of human civilization at this time, if we allow for the real regeneration of American politics at this time, their reign is over. All right. And you mentioned industrial complex, that phrase I've heard of the military industrial complex, the food industrial complex. You just mentioned the political industrial complex. These are things that now common regular folks that are not political at all. They didn't take policy side. They're not even into politics. They're not in these secret rooms or anything. People are throwing out these terms. It's kind of like when everybody started trading stocks three years ago and everybody's talking about all these stocks and they don't know what they're talking about. But these industrial complex phrases, how is it true? Are these real things and how as regular Americans are you supposed to have any hope when these industrial complexes exist and feels like there's nothing you can do? Well, you've got to stop farming out your own best critical thinking. You know, when it comes to our personal lives, Americans tend to get very deep and authentic and psychologically perspicacious and we think things through. We don't stand for toxic relationships or abusive relationships and we set boundaries and psychology, all of that. But when it comes to politics, we've been trained to think and act like sixth graders. We've like farmed out our best thinking and so it makes us very easy to play. So we have surrendered, we have acquiesced to this political, like there's some set of geniuses over there, this political class, the ones who are experienced, the ones who are qualified. Look what they've brought us. They've brought us six inches from the cliff in terms of the state of the environment, in terms of the state of our economy, in terms of the state of our democracy, in terms of the state of our bodies, in terms of the state of the world. And these forces, just listen, whether you're talking about slavery, you're talking about institutional suppression of women, talking about the gilded age, talking about segregation, those forces of injustice were repudiated by generations which rose up and said, no, no, no, no, that's undemocratic and that's not what we're doing here. Today, the problem is not one particular institutional reality, so much as it's an economic paradigm. The idea that short-term profits for huge corporate forces should be our bottom line, rather than the safety, health, and the well-being of the American people. It has become our governing principle. And that's your governing principle, democracy is not. You can't have a thriving democracy when you don't have a thriving middle class. And this system has made the middle class and America collapse. You have a tiny portion of Americans who own some half of all the wealth in this country. Right, that's not a democracy. That's not a democracy. You know, we're an oligarchy. We are ruled and we are governed. So this political system, it's pretending you have this great democracy here, but they're telling you who your candidates can be. And I think your candidate suppression is a form of voter suppression. So America's only been around for a few hundred years. Really, it's a really young country in the scheme of things and really a young country considering how powerful it has been, right? How do we even know democracy actually works? Like, is America just one big science experiment? And like, we're kind of coming to the end of the experiment. Like, I don't, that's how it feels. Oh, no, no, no, no. No, I don't see the story that way at all. Let's go back to the beginning, okay? Let's go back to 1776. In 1776, some very brave men, 56 of them as a matter of fact, signed the Declaration of Independence. The Declaration of Independence is our mission statement. It's our North Star. And it includes the principles on which we purport to stand. They were radical in 1776, and they're radical today. And every generation in the Jewish religion, it says every generation must rediscover God for itself. Every generation of Americans need to rediscover the real meaning of the Declaration of Independence for us. And if we don't, then those principles lose their moral and emotional force. And we become easy to play, and we've been played. That's exactly what's happened. So when we revisit them, we see their radicalism. They're all made of created equal, that everyone is created with the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, which means self-actualization in today's terms. You can do whatever you want to do, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. That government's role, government is instituted, it says, to secure those rights, not for those rights or undercut those rights or diminish those rights, but to secure those rights. And it gets even more radical, where it says that if the government's not doing that job, it is the right of the people to alter it or to abolish it. Now, that's where it started, with these ideas that literally changed the world. But that moment of beginning is also where you see how gnarly it gets as well. Because out of the 56 signers, 41 of them were slave owners. Now, that's the American story. That is the story, the struggle, and the dichotomy, which is iterated in every generation, even ours, between forces of unbelievable political, social, and even economic enlightenment, versus forces who, for their own ideological and or financial purposes, have no intention whatsoever of seeing those principles made manifest. And every generation reiterates it, some more dramatically than others. Now, in terms of the question you asked, if you look at the arc of American history, there's a lot to be impressed by the abolitionist movement, responded to abolition, the women's suffragists movement, responded to institutionalized suppression, the early labor organizing, responded to the gilded age, and the civil rights movement, responded to segregation. It's simply our turn. We need to see that what we're going through is no different than what other generations have gone through. Let's just not be the first one to wimp out on doing what it takes to... Don't wimp out. I like that. I like the message. So that's what we're doing right now. If you give all your power to a political elite, you are completely surrendering your democracy. All right. No, I'm with you. I mean, it seems like that in this Democrat-Republican battle, I mean, it feels so much like... Yeah, and I get what you're saying because it just feels like a lot of the people are... I guess I would use the word moderate. I identify kind of as a moderate. Like, I almost... I could have gone either way if there was a Republican candidate that I thought was legitimate. I wouldn't have been afraid to vote for that just because that's kind of like where I'm at. And I guess this is a kind of a question about, I guess, Democrats, because it seems like I'm Asian and a lot of Asian-Americans are actually leaving the Democratic Party. Not that it's not yet 50-50 between the Asian-American voters, but there's quite a few that have moved over to the Republican side, actually statistically in the past eight years. So I guess what is wrong with the Democrats in the past eight, 10 years that have made people leave? Like, let's be honest. Like, is it the crime? Is it they have a reputation? Like, they don't care about crime. They have the reputation that they're focusing on the wrong issues. Like, is there any truth to that? The problem with the Democratic Party is that they have dropped their Rooseveltian unequivocal advocacy for the working people of the United States. If they were continuing to hold to unequivocal advocacy for the working people of the United States, we would have Medicare for All, which they have in every other advanced democracy. We would have tuition-free college and tech school, a system which we had in place until the 1970s. We would have a guaranteed living wage. We would have the things that actually help people economically thrive who are actually part of the majority of Americans. Once again, let's look at the larger context. When I was growing up, more than not, not completely, but more than not, the Republican Party was dominated by the high-minded conservative principles and the Democratic Party was dominated by the high-minded liberal principles. And that's why Eisenhower could say the American mind at his best is both liberal and conservative. At this point, the Republican Party has become completely dominated by this corporatist element to the point where you are talking about a neo-fascist perspective because it's such a deep marriage of corporate power and governmental power, which by the way is personified by Donald Trump. The Democratic Party is trying to have it both ways. And this has been true ever since the Democratic Leadership Council where they want to help people. But they, and this is exactly what President Biden is as the corporatist Democrat most empowered, they do want to help people. But they won't go any further once they get to the point where to go further would undercut the bottom line of their corporate donors. So what you have is the Democratic Party split into two parts, between the establishment corporatists and the progressives. But what is disappointing to me in this campaign is to see how even the progressives fall totally in line with the DNC. When it comes to something like a presidential election. So there's something that happens people once they get in there. They're very good entrepreneurs. So they'll totally show up as major progressives on Twitter. On your website, I was reading because crime is a big concern for a lot of people, not just Asians, but particularly Asians. A statistic just came out in New York City that 78% of Asian surveyed were fearing for some part of their, safety was a huge concern for them, was the number one concern in the city. It says regarding crime education and culture are the strongest preventative medicines. What is the culture that you're referring to? I guess, is it the media culture? The gun culture? Is it the video games? Is it the music? Is it the movies? What I guess I'm just curious because that's culture is a very big words. It can mean a lot of things. We have a multi-dimensional breakdown here. We have an all systems breakdown and it's going to need an all systems response. You could look at something like guns, for instance. The conversation used to be, is it the guns or is it the culture? Clearly, in a sophisticated look at that today, it's both. Obviously, it's the fact that we have such lax gun safety laws, by the way, contrary to the expressed will of the majority of Republicans as well as Democrats, including gun owners. But it's also the glorification of violence. It's all of the above. When you look at how many billions of dollars are made on violent video games, millions of billions of dollars made on products that are sold to children that are violent, billions of dollars that are made on violent movies and gratuitous violence. I'm not talking about violence used for genuinely artistic purposes, like someone like a Martin Scorsese. I'm talking about cheap, gratuitous stuff, including a lot of violence against women, by the way. That is nothing other than getting more clicks and making more sales. And of course, it's poisoning the air. We're not going to be able to deal with the violence in our society until we also make a commitment among ourselves to being a nonviolent society. How do we do that? I feel like violence is built into the American ethos. It's almost like we're a rebel. And this is my opinion. It feels like a rebel country. Go get it at any cost. Defend yourself. Someone steps on your yard, punch him or shoot him. Like, you know what I mean? It wasn't always this bad at all. There were even some ethical rules in the wild, wild West. Even in the wild, wild West, when they came into a town, they had to surrender their guns while they were there. This is what's happening now. There is a complete ethical breakdown. This is what unfettered soulless capitalism has done to us. It's just get what you want at all costs. Look at Twitter. Twitter's a violent, violent place. Where people lie. Lying about someone is violence. We all need to read a little Buddhism here about violence of speech, right speech, right thought. So America needs to be more Buddhist, is that what you're saying? Well, Buddhism, I believe in the universal spiritual principles and all the great religions and spiritual teachings of the world. Yes, we have to be more humble. We have to be more merciful. We have to be more loving. What are you doing so casually insulting people, lying about people, smearing people, all those things of violence? So it has to start in our own hearts, seeking to be more harmless people. All of us have to make ethical decisions all the time in our careers. It does feel like that. I'm sorry to interrupt. It does America need to have some more Asian values? I know Asian values, that's a big term, but it's kind of hard to think about it. Well, Judaism and Christianity came up with love one another and walk humbly with thy God, act mercy, and do justice to others. So all the great religious traditions extend into the world the highest principles. That's a good point. And I was just obviously, it'd be funny if you said be more Asian, but I know that's not actually the accurate answer. And you know, jubus, when I was younger, I remember having a conversation. And we called them, when I was growing up, we call my generation of like college time, there were often people called jubus, all these Jews who were Buddhist monasteries. Oh, that's hilarious. So I guess, man, the values in America need to change. Now what, now that statement, the values of America needs to change. Now I'm just saying in that statement that we both agree, but there's even different perspectives on that, right? Because a lot of the conservatives or the traditional conservatives or the people who are considered conservative nowadays are gonna say, the values of America need to change. We need to change back. Sorry, that's not how all conservatives talk, but you know, I'm in a comical way. So I guess the point is what I'm saying is that is there an argument that conservative values can work or can work for certain people or like we can all exist together? Why is there an argument whether your family is being conservative and having traditional values? And that's outdated or oh, that these progressive ideas are not gonna work and they're happy go lucky and no one's gonna, it's too complex. Like, you know what, do you get my question? I think I understand what you're saying, but I think we all need to come out of our silos right now. And some of these labels actually limit rather than expand the conversation. There are values of righteousness, which is just the things that you and I were talking about before that we love one another. Now, where progressivism comes in is that we would argue that those principles of righteousness should guide our public policy as well. But when it comes to personal behavior, I see as much smug, arrogant self-righteousness on the left as I see on the right. And this projection onto other people that because of a political position they take that they have no values, that they don't care. So I think that a lot of it, we need to go back to neutral here. Just each and every one of us trying to be a better person, caring less, we were not sent to this earth to monitor other people. We were sent to this earth to try to be better ourselves. Martin Luther King said, you have very little morally persuasive power with people who can feel your underlying contempt. So when we go into any situation, people can subconsciously feel it when we're looking down on them. So whether we're on the left or on the right, we all have to remember no one has a monopoly on truth. No one has a monopoly on this country. We all get to own it, guys. And number three, nobody owes it to you to agree with you. The issue is not trying to get other people to agree with you, but we're finding that sweet spot, that sort of namaste consciousness, before you even open your mouth and with which you listen to people. And then there's a yin and a yang. Like I said, nobody has a monopoly on truth here. And when we stop learning from one another, and then you talk about the meanness of this time, we're living at a time now where it's not only that you disagree with me, but because you disagree with me, you are wrong. It is you are wrong and you should shut up. Now, all of that's violence and we all have to take responsibility for the part in ourselves that would go there. And I agree that we're kind of in violent times and there's a lot of aggression right now. I guess one criticism to that or to back that up is that a lot of people are going to say, well, America needs to be a strong country. America has to be strong and you can't be strong without being aggressive and muscular and buff and have a bunch of guns and weapons ready. Is that true? Because we still live in a time when there's still enemies and rivals in this world, countries that don't care about America or care less about America, that America needs to stand strong in an aggressive manner. How can America be strong if America takes a more, I guess like empathetic, like kind of like internal, you know, whatever we're talking about? Well, you know, there's the yin and the yang, the masculine and the feminine. So you just presented a view of really not even masculine, but this kind of toxic masculine that's just about aggression. That's that's there's nothing high-minded about that description of things. Love is the greatest strength. If you really want to exercise strength, take better care of your children, take better care, create more economic opportunities, create, you know, I want a department of peace and within because we need to have an army of peace builders as much as we haven't have an army of military personnel. And there are four factors within peace building, which statistically indicate that if these things are present, you'll have a higher incident of peace and a lower incidence of violence, greater economic opportunities for women, greater educational opportunities for children, a reduction of violence against women, and an amelioration of unnecessary human despair. Those things are strength. If you do not exercise that more yin strength, feminine strength, right? And that's not just man, woman, it's masculine feminine aspects of character. Then you will need all that aggression. Then you will think you need all that brute force in the form of prisons and bombs. It's not working. It's not sustainable ever ending conflict. And at this point, it's a threat to to the space event of the earth itself. That's a great answer. I want to talk about real. I don't know if we can talk about this real quick, but I guess the migrant in the border issue is a really that. And I would say Israel, Palestine are like divide. Those are like deciding issues in this. Or at least they were before we just got the two old guys back. So I guess like what is what's your I guess opinion on what's going on in Gaza right now? And then also I want to talk about the border real quick and then to a few other things. And then that's it. Well, what's going on in Gaza right now is unconscionable. And the United States should not be supporting it. And we have to say no to BB Netanyahu. We need a two state solution. Neither of those people are going anywhere. The Palestinian people are not Hamas. The Israeli people are not Benjamin Netanyahu. The United States should display robust and equal commitment to the peace and the security and the sovereignty of both people. We need a ceasefire. We also need release of those hostages. And we need that path to a two state solution. It's not going to be easy. People have certainly tried. Bill Clinton tried. Do you think Biden or Trump could could I don't know about solve the issue, but at least well. Trump is being very shrewd right now. He's not saying a word. Very shrewd. Very shrewd. He's yeah. Oh, sorry. Continue. Finish that. He did not display in his presidency. I remember Jared Kushner, who was his Mideast liaison, saying that the problem of the Palestinians was nothing other than the words he used to describe. It was a real estate dispute. That was the level of his understanding and of moral discernment. So, you know, when when when President Trump moved the moved the embassy to Jerusalem, it was a stick in the eye. He came up with the Arab with the Abraham Accords, but within the Abraham Accords, the rights of the Palestinians was given short shrift, which was one of, I think, the motivating factors for Hamas to, you know, take advantage of this period of time, along with the conversations that Israel was having with Saudi Arabia. So, at this point, the United States, our highest ally, must be humanity itself, and not afford to support any policy which transgresses our own, at least the human values on which we purport to stand. That is true. We killed a million people in Iraq, so. Yeah, that's definitely on our on our history. I, as far as, yeah, 10 minutes left, because I only have the regular Zoom subscription, so I have the free one. When it comes to migrants at the border, I think what is, I think most people agree that the border needs to be secure, right? That's just logical from a country perspective. I guess what do you do with the people now that have made it in? Not I'm not saying they're all bad. A lot of them are working hard. There's probably some bad apples. And it's just like the influx of people is just hard to deal with. I guess what, what, how should people view this from, from your perspective? Well, a lot of people might not realize that Ronald Reagan gave millions of people amnesty. So there are a lot of people who have been waiting for years and they're, and they are forced to live in the shadows. A lot of undocumented people should not have to be undocumented. Like you said, they work hard. They raise families. They contribute to the society and they are forced to live in the shadows. And there should be a system by which they can become citizens more easily. And of course, that includes the DACA kids. In terms of what's actually happening at the border, a lot of this is based on the failure of Congress over decades. And the infrastructure. Remember, the Democrats and the Republicans had come up with a bill not long ago, billions of dollars. It was going to be spent, it's been at the border creating what we need, the proper infrastructure, the judges, the adjudicators, people who know how to interrogate, who are professionals to establish where there is and there is not credible fear. Giving someone a valid claim of asylum, creating a situation so that they are then led to integration into American society. The others led back. And it was Donald Trump who then told the Republican leaders to kill that bill, to not vote for it. Why? Because it would have worked. And he didn't want to give Biden a win during an election campaign season. Now, no matter what we do, however, no matter what infrastructure we create, no matter how many walls, no matter how many surveillance systems, you're going to have to address root cause, which is central to my entire campaign. The old fashioned transactional politics only talks about symptoms. We have to talk about root cause. You know, you can't just talk about October 7th. You also have to talk about the settlements, the illegality of the settlements and the West Bank occupation and so forth. Okay. When it comes to the immigration from Latin America, there are two main categories that drive people to immigrate so desperately that someone would actually walk across the Darien Gap, one of the least hospitable pieces of land on the planet, with children no less, okay? Economic despair and fear of the violence is being perpetrated by the drug cartels. Now, in both cases, America can do something. A lot of the economic destabilization of these Latin American countries has America's fingerprints on it. If you look at American foreign policy in Latin America over the last 50 years, we should be willing to help restabilize some of these economies that clearly we help destabilize. By the way, we're moving the sanctions from Venezuela. On the level of the drug cartels, one of my core issues is we need to end America's war on drugs. One of the things it does is it feeds our prison industrial complex because almost half of our federal prisoners are nonviolent drug offenders. And number two, it creates the black market that gives the market to the drug cartels. So, as we end America's drug war and instead make it a sobriety system and treat drugs like a health issue, rather than a criminal issue like they do in places like Portugal, although we will not completely solve the problem with the drug cartels, we'll put a big dent in it. Yeah, I think when people feel like it would just be safer to have a bunch more police out on the streets due to the crime or whether it's the drugs or all that stuff, I guess how do you respond to the people who just feel safer when there's just more police force and they're coming down on drug dealers more? And because as a regular citizen, you kind of like, I guess like to see that because you're like, yeah, like someone's laid down the law, how do you balance it? Ask a black person if they agree with that. Yeah, that's true. That's some of my friends. Real quick, China. As a Chinese American with roots in China, I think that obviously how China is viewed in the media and it's going to affect the way a lot of Chinese people are treated. I'm already hearing about Yale grad students who can't come back to America after visiting family. You hear about Chinese migrants of military age and men that are coming over the border and people are very scared of that. I guess is China something to be concerned about and how do we deal with that relationship? Well, first of all, there's a big difference between the Chinese people and the Chinese Communist Party. It's just like there's a big difference between the Iranian people and Ayatollah Khomeini. I mean, we have to even or Palestinians and Amos versus Israelis and Netanyahu. We've got to change our thinking here. We've got to all stand back and the idea of separating ourselves into all these silos. People say we need more unity. The separation begins in our heads and we don't just need more unity within our country. We need more unity on our planet. We are going to have to. If you take AI, if you take the environment and you take nuclear energy, we are going to have to forge a more collaborative relationship with China, with India, with Russia, with Brazil. All of the nations of the world in this century, we're going to have to move into a more collaborative relationship. So when you hear about the spies here and there or people that, I mean, there are some spies, right? Absolutely, as we have them, too. But listen, I don't think any of us should be naive about the shenanigans of the Chinese Communist Party. However, when you hear people stoking the bear, when you hear people talking in a way, and that's what happened with Ukraine, we spoke the bear. There's almost like new Cold War conversation going on. After what we have been through in Iraq, in Vietnam, in Afghanistan, after seeing what's going on in Ukraine, seeing what's happening in Gaza, we've got to check ourselves. There are people in Washington who actually they're kind of frothing at the mouth at the thought that, ooh, we might have a war with China. No, no, no. I think that would be a terrible idea. A terrible idea doesn't even begin to cover it. Doesn't even begin to cover it. We have to imagine a planet without war 100 years from now and reverse engineer from there. That's an interesting way to put it. Yeah, that's why we need a department of peace. And we need to talk about far more ways that we can actually collaborate with China on the areas that we need to collaborate and have healthy competition on the areas where healthy competition is called for. Yeah, I agree. I don't know. Maybe we need some precognition technology and maybe Apple Vision or the AI can help predict what the, how to not have wars in the future. Hold on. I'd like to speak to that because you just said something really interesting. One of the things that I talked about and talked about in the department of peace, right now they play war games. We need to play peace games. Interesting. And we should do exactly what you just said. We need to do exactly instead of spending all of our resources planning for the next war, figuring out the next war, we should be planning for an era in which humanity has a greater guarantee to survive. Some people would say that's naive. What I think is naive is assuming we're going to survive on this planet for another 100 years if we don't at least try. I like it. One minute left. What can you say to Gen Z or Concern Millennials just about what they should be doing right now? What can we be doing? I guess voting for people like you or voting, like what can we just do as people that will give us some power, go. I see you doing it. Just I think everybody, no matter what our age right now, most people, I think the majority of people recognize the depth of problem and are feeling a yearning to step up. I just think we all, if anything, just need to look at each other and say, how can I help you step up more? Ask your friend, ask your neighbor, ask a community member, how do you step up? I've listened. The time's going to run out and it's probably going to click out. Mary Ann, thank you so much for your time and thank you for being a bold person with positive ideas. Yeah, I hope you enjoy the rest of your leg and whatever you continue to do. So I thank you. Thank you so much. It was good chatting with you. All right. Until next time, everybody, with the Hot Pop Boys, we out. Peace.