 have to incur in the enhanced redress scheme. There are fears that people will still have to contribute a significant amount of money towards the demolition and reconstruction of their homes. Jeb Lee Podrick McLaughlin says the housing agency has played a key role in coordinating the Pyrite scheme in Lentster and he wants to know why that's not the case with the current scheme. So T-Shop, I'm asking you to urgently clarify that this information is wrong and I'm asking you to urgently clarify why the housing agency, why the housing agency are not operating the scheme in the west of Ireland the same as they do in the east to ensure that the families who are traumatised don't have to carry this. Well the PRO of the Micah Action Group believes the new Micah redress scheme has the potential to deliver a lot but some amendments are needed. 7,500 affected homes will be fixed under the revised 2.2 billion euro scheme and will be tackled on a worst first basis. However there is concern that a sliding scale of a cap of 145 euro per square foot for the first 1,000 square foot will result in homeowners incurring extra costs. Michael Doherty says it can still be salvaged and they will be looking for appropriate changes to be made, one being that the sliding scale is scrapped. Why put in things that you knew was going to be contentious and in terms of what is the same in the overall scheme of things probably very little percentage wise it just needs a bad taste but overall we have to look at the big picture look at the entire package and make a more of an informed decision I believe has the potential to deliver a lot here and we will be looking for amendments to the part the parts of it that at the moment are not possible. The Education Minister says children who don't wear face masks to school will be sent home from today students in third class and above will have to wear masks in school only students who have a medically certified exemption will be allowed attend without a face covering it comes as COVID cases among 5 to 12 year olds have increased by 47% in the space of two weeks Minister Norma Foley says it's an expert recommended safety measure. If you provide a medical certificate explaining the situation regarding your child obviously will be exempted but if you do not do that there has to be clarity around this it has to be operational it is a safety measure and and that is that will be the scenario that students who do not comply and do not have a medical basis and will be asked to stand down from school. Whether I called on Wendy this morning with scattered showers and sunny spouts developing some of the showers will be heavy with some falls of sleep likely along with a risk of heel highest temperatures of 6 to 8 degrees that's all from Highland Radio news for now we'll be back with news again at 10 o'clock until then good morning. 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11 we're going to be giving away one of our lucky listeners who entered our cardinal competition 2000 euro that will be happening live you'll be able to watch that live enough Facebook pages as well as you can the entire show as I mentioned every day or on YouTube Highland Radio Ireland hop onto our website you can see the link there we're going to be dominating sorry a lot of the program will be dominated by discussions as it relates to yesterday's enhanced Micah scheme will be speaking to the housing minister in this hour and all the other main players gauging the reaction to this scheme which has been welcomed but obviously there is significant fundamental problems that there are calls on for them to be reviewed but we'll be talking about all of that and so much more besides as well so get in touch with us right now if you want to what's apps texts 08 660 25,000 08 660 25,000 give us a call and 07 491 25,000 07 491 25,000 Caroline taking your calls I mentioned the what's apps and text didn't I your emails to comments at Highland radio.com and as I mentioned if you want to comment whilst watching the stream across any of those platforms feel free to do so there so let's start with the newspapers the English Times the Micah action group has said there are parts of the new defective concrete blocks which it cannot accept the defective block schemes that is the enhanced 2.2 billion scheme which is capped at 420,000 euro per home was announced on Tuesday afternoon by Minister for Housing Dara O'Brien after it was approved by the cabinet the scheme allows for rebuilding costs of 145 euro per square foot which drops on a sliding scale after the first 1000 square feet a proposed cost of 138 per square foot had been rejected by the Micah campaigners after details of the proposed scheme had been leaked at the weekend they had been looking for 150 per square foot of course without that Scott sliding scale the Donegal post filming of a documentary which recalls the shocking murder of Donegal woman Dolores McRae's currently underway in the area the documentary believed to be commissioned by a major UK TV channel will revisit the horrific events of January and February 2004 it will recall how a missing person inquiry turned into a murder investigation after human remains were found in a fire outside the family home it's understood that Dolores McRae's family have been giving their support for the documentary to be filmed which is the one concern I would have had that this could have you know been very difficult for them it will be but if they're working with the documentary team that's encouraging the Finn Valley voice a group of hardy souls will brave the elements this coming Friday night for a charity sleep ad to raise money for homeless charity focus on and the sleep ad is the brainchild of Sturnawla woman Nula Malone and Sean McGlynn of profit this ballot of faith and read more on the front and inside that paper today the Irish independent tells us that Christmas travel plans have been thrown into doubt after the government introduced strict new rules for international travel tens of thousands of people planning to travel to Ireland over the coming weeks will have to ensure they have a negative COVID-19 test before they arrive even if they are vaccinated now I don't know if that throws into chaos it's an absolute pain in the but of course it doesn't apply if you're flying into Derry or Belfast but they don't care about that doesn't matter because the north of the country simply doesn't matter so it doesn't even require a mention that you can get the boats Belfast fly in fly to Derry no bother right so they only focus on the ports and the airports in the Republic which is fine but I mean it just leaves the rest of us going well you know did they not realize how this whole island works that being said you can also you can get a one-horse answering tests which are relatively cheap relatively cheap around about 30 euro so in other words I don't think 30 euro it's a lot of money is going to stop someone doing what they were already going to do at Christmas in any case but they believe the paper believes the move will cause significant angst for people planning visits homes to see family and those jetting off for short breaks over the festive period the new rules could leave fully vaccinated passengers stranded in foreign countries if they can't produce a negative test before coming home but again there's not a country in the world that does not have readily available PCR or even the proper antigen tests done by a professional so I don't see it to be cancelled Christmas it's a pain I wish they didn't have to do it I don't see the point in it because I believe this this variant is everywhere at this point we've said it for a couple of days in this program now as it turns out it was in Netherlands long before it was discovered in South Africa so the Irish Times covers the Micah story home owners affected by the Micah defective block scandal have reached reacted angrily to a revised redress scheme saying they'll still have to contribute large sums to rebuild their homes this is something that when we speak to him later on that the housing minister is going to reject quite vehemently that people will be able to access this scheme and build their homes without having to contributed in the majority of not all the cases up to the 420,000 euro copies very firm on that the government scheme costing 2.2 billion and herald by the T shock me how Martin is an unprecedented state intervention left some of the seven half thousand homeowners in Donogol and Mayo devastated as they still face contributing large sums to rebuild their homes again that is something that the housing minister rejects out of hand the Irish daily star today the EU drug regulator said it could approve vaccines adapted to target the Omicron variant if the coronavirus within three to four months if needed but that existing shots would continue to provide protection speaking to the European Parliament European Medicines Agency executive director Emma Cook said it was not known if drug makers would need to tweak their vaccines to protect against the variant but the EMA was prepared for that possibility onto the Irish daily mirror now and they tell us that a second pilot of Jeffrey Epstein's Lolita Express which is a horrible expression which I'll not use again I just stumbled across it there has said he flew Prince Andrew on the private jet these were under it's not a Lolita express these were underage girls that were being trafficked and exploited and I don't think it really is the type of scenario for a catchy name for a plane to be honest I think it's really puke and I'm surprised in 2021 they're still at that crack but the revelation was made during the New York trial of Andrews pal Gisling Maxwell on sex trafficking charges Epstein's airman Lawrence Visoki agreed he was familiar with the Duke of York when asked about the royal lawyer Christian Everdell's then said and he flew on Mr. Epstein's plane right Mr. Visoki responded he did as well as the Duke Mr. Visoki recalled Bill Clinton Donald Trump before he became president comedian Chris Tucker astronaut John Glenn and actor Kevin Spacey as passengers I couldn't use for workers in on post and fair play to the company they've become the first major company here to have no gender pay gap for their employees this is in the sun the postal services has been brought has brought down the pay difference from 3.7% to 0% in just two years they said this is a comparison to it this is in comparison to an 11.3% gender gap across the country and the group said that for the first time in their history women earned marginally more than men the report came as they plan to hire more female postal delivery staff on posts Eleanor Nash said traditionally our sector is more male oriented but they say they're addressing that and they have in fact and finally in the Irish Daily Mail men who use e-cigarettes are more than twice as likely to suffer erectile dysfunctional study suggests a high level of nicotine in the vaping liquid is thought to hamper the ability of blood vessels to dilate reducing blood flow to the nether regions even fluids without nicotine containing chemicals that may reduce the amount of testosterone in the body scientists from New York University said vapors should be warned the devices may harm their love life they studied 11,207 males aged 20 to 65 with no history of cardiovascular disease analysis revealed daily vapors were 2.41 times more likely to suffer erectile dysfunction than men who never vaped 08 660 25,000 you what's apps and texts to that number call 07 491 25,000 the housing minister joins us after this break the newspapers are courtesy of Kelly centra mountaintop letter Kenny. Today's nine to noon show is brought to you in association with Ulster tires get your tires winter ready drop in to Ulster tires in letter Kenny and Bali buffet today. Okay housing minister Dara O'Brien. There's an awful lot positive I think by all accounts in this announcement yesterday but I suppose initially do you believe this to be a 100% redress scheme? Yeah well that's that's what we've committed to doing Greg and I think look you're right and there is a lot positive. Is there a bit more work to do on this? I believe so. And I think to be fair we if you look at where we've moved from from a scheme that was brought in and under the last government which was well intentioned but didn't work as intended with a cap of 247 500. We now have a situation whereby we've an overall cap of 420 but importantly within us in all of the remediation options including the rebuild option we've 100% redress and you know really what we need to work towards is and most of it has been you know has been welcomed which is good the certification piece the inclusion of or to be registered rental properties which is a big move and particularly if someone was unfortunate enough to have their own home affected by Mike and had a had a rental property that's registered that is also going to be able to access the scheme which hasn't been done in any other scheme and I think that's that's important. Certification of the work which is something that I said myself which was sorely lacking from the first scheme because if you're going to remediate a home the work needs to be certified you need to be able to get your home insured you need to be able to potentially in future if you're selling your home. Do you think that's a responsible use of taxpayers money because what you're talking about there is repairing the outer leaf and it seems almost inevitable that the inner leaf then goes so people are coming back twice. I don't know what you're saying. It seems to be an effective use of money. Yeah no I think look there are three to five options that engineers independently of and we're going to have the housing agency heavily involved in this which is something I wanted and something the residents wanted another big positive here okay and housing agency have immense experience in remediation on the east coast and elsewhere but to get to your point the five remediation options are set down by engineers and an engineer would select which one and what we've what we've looked for is simply that if there is an issue which we don't expect there would be but if there is if they might go represents or defective block in mail on an outer leaf or indeed post a remediation that one would have recourse the scheme. No I don't believe it is a waste of money at all or a bad use of money. I think it's an engineering option that's there that I've actually seen that work done Greg and where in actually in the east coast I've seen three homes where the outer leaf was remediated and they were independently signed off by engineers outside of the scheme so it is a real engineering option that's what I'm saying. When you spoke to members of the Micah Action Group yesterday there was no mention of a of a sliding scale. When did a sliding scale on the square footage cost become a talking point and who actually suggested that? Was that your idea? Was it suggested to? Did it come up at cabinet? When did that come on to the table? Well the sliding scale if you go back and look I've many conversations and I've kept in touch with the with the working group right the way through the summer so many commerce the conversations I have with them are between myself and them so I'm not going to go into detail or not but to give you an idea like we've had the what we wanted to do is to make sure that there's a race independently set independence and that's that's the principle so we will have a new race in in February that will be worked on so the rate we gave yesterday is indicative. Sliding scale isn't a new thing by the way in the working group report in September the submission from the residents themselves had a two scale approach on us okay so I think there's been a maybe a bit too much focus on that if we look even but I didn't want to announce something which is comprehensive without giving an indication for what that would look like. So are you saying this is the homeowner's idea? No no no no I'm saying that actually when you would see you would see what I'm not saying that I'm just saying that within the submission there was a sliding scale QS's and others within the department would also say and very clearly that there would be economies of scale the large of the home so there would be a tapering off or a sliding scale but let's let's you know I don't think we should dwell on that too. What it is the key point to respect minister? Just take it back a little bit Greg and we'll get there would you let's take it back a little bit what we announced yesterday is 800 million euro in additional support and funding for this scheme the scheme had committed in 2020 to 1.4 billion euro of expenditure and to do what to help homeowners whose homes are crumbling the 800 million extra is the enhancements and that is really really significant so the workings of that was always going to be complex but we've included to make sure on all options at 100% and that's absolutely where we want to get it. So on the most simplest terms then and you can explain it to me in layman's terms if that's okay if someone is building a house an average house 2500 square feet let's say how do they do that without themselves having to contribute because I speak to an awful lot of people as you would know these are older people who have everything in the house they've no access to any other funding contact from someone in the mid 40s yesterday with a heart condition no prospect of getting any extra borrowing you know the banks aren't working with people other than to defer mortgages right so explain to me how someone built in the most average of house 2500 square feet can do that without having to try and find their own resources through this one hundred percent. Firstly just to say if you look at what we published yesterday and to give indications to people that four or two and a half thousand square foot home the maximum grant as announced yesterday would be three hundred and twenty five thousand okay and if you look at the scheme that exist or existed up to yesterday that was two hundred and forty just let me send it to you Greg if you may that was two hundred and forty seven thousand five hundred so a very significant increase what I have said and very clearly to residents too is that the race we need to make sure keeps up with building cost inflation okay and the best way of doing that is by using the rate that's set by the Charter's surveyors and they're actually will be setting a race early next year actually I'm meeting them later in the week which will be independent of me and that will take into account a building cost inflation and other okay and I understand that minister by the first one thousand square feet I'm asking you to explain to me the no no no no Greg hold on a second now they just just I want to be want to be really clear on this let's let's be straight what was announced yesterday looking at a maximum granted three to five what some concerns have been raised to say well okay if the building cost is above that because we have seen near-term inflation in costs how would that be bridged and what I'm saying to you is is that this is that that aspect of us it will be worked on with the new race that will be announced in February and there will be very little homes I would imagine if any unfortunately Greg that are going to be remediated between now and February we need legislation in place for the scheme and that's a really important thing to say because the current scheme only exists under regulations under the 1979 act this scheme is going to be with us for unfortunately maybe even a decade okay but between all the counties that need that need to be done including and most acutely done in goal so we need to get it right okay minister can I just ask you again if someone right once this new rate is set and that would be okay maybe for the first one thousand square foot I think that's broadly accepted I just want you to explain to me right what I'm saying to you how do they how you how they complete the balance of the works on this sliding scale without having to come up with the right one is a simple question okay sorry what I'm saying to you is based on the new rate that we that we strike our endeavor is to ensure that in all remediation options where a fair rate is struck and where and where that is overseen as well by the housing agency who will be looking at the at each application that we wouldn't have a situation where residents for the for the replacement of their home at the standard in fairness which which which which which they have looked at not for an enhancement standard of the home but same replacement value that they would not have to make a contribution should you explain to me how that works on this sliding scale scheme please well Greg what I'm sorry what I'm saying to you is and I say it to you again the new race will be struck in February what we gave yesterday was indicative if you look at all the whole at the different house sizes through mayo and through dunny gall what was announced yesterday was a very significant increase on that now what we don't want is a situation where there's a shortfall and we don't want that book and fairness i think everyone will understand as well we need to make sure that there that there are cost controls in this because this scheme needs to be sustainable and it needs to work into the future it's 2.2 billion you've got two caps you've got your you do have cost controls with the overall cap again again at the at the risk of at the risk of sounding like I have no understanding of this if you could just please explain to those listening today right if a rate is struck for the first 1000 square feet that is what it costs let's say it's 160 okay for for example but after the thousand slides I can answer you this sorry Greg because you continually return to this now I want to look at what's very positive announcement yesterday there isn't there is there is work to be concluded by February in relation to a new race and I'm saying to you now that I am confident when that work is completed that in all remediation options and actually options 2 to 5 don't require that race that that will be full 100 percent okay which is a big change up from 90 is that the work that we will do and be done independently of me will take into account building cost inflation so that rate should and I expect will ensure that residents will not have to where a fair price is struck have to contribute to the scheme now that work is not concluded great and and but it will be at the working group I've kept in touch with on a regular basis and will continue to do so and through my own colleagues Joe McHugh and Charlie McConnelogue and others so we've come a long way on this so what I'm saying to you is you know people this is a very serious and a very complex issue that I committed to getting right yes I will get it right so the first 1000 square feet rate would be struck at such a rate that it would balance out of the course of the balance if if independently of me it is seen that the race would be struck at something other than a thousand could be fifteen hundred or indeed further up than that that would be that would be something that would be workable as long as the rate was fair and that is work that's been done independently of myself okay and that's what the residents wanted because we need to have confidence in the scheme so and and in fairness the measures taken yesterday and many many positive ones which you've which you've in fairness acknowledged at the very start of this interview will build that confidence the independent certification the the use of the housing agency which is really really important the increase in the funding that's there the recourse to the scheme and yes indeed the independent setting of of a race now the race isn't a new thing and it isn't a new thing but we want to get it right and what i'm saying to you and to your listeners is we will get it right and we will continue to engage with the group and get that right do you not think it's a little bit regrettable minister that without this sliding scale option the confusion and me having to repeat questions that this would be a very different tone to the mood in donagall may own on the west coast today there'd be a different tone to this conversation this is not me that the scratching heads this is the people listening to this program today it's members of the mic action group and the opposition which which you would expect in any case this could have been a holy uh for the most part positive day and yet still okay i i get i get the point i get the point you're making in the this was yesterday was a very significant day and in fairness most have acknowledged that okay some members of the opposition happened but i would i wouldn't expect any different that that's fine leaving that aside i've listened to very carefully to uh members of the action group who have acknowledged right up to last night of the significant changes that have been made when you're making changes like this too when you want to get a scheme right and make sure that it's robust of course you've you know you've got to work through that with people and we've done that and we will get there and i think in fairness there is an acknowledgement of a big step forward here and i did say yesterday very clearly and this wasn't because of questioning from journalists like your good self or any or anything else it was very upfront about us about that the fact that we will be striking a new race in February and why were we doing that because we have seen in ireland and in europe a very sharp near-term inflation in building and i recognize that and that's not just an irish phenomenon so that needs to be we need to have a mechanism to capture that and we need to have a mechanism that that's reviewed every year and that is another thing that's been very much welcomed by the group so what i would say to your listeners is we are well on the right track here yes there's still a small bit of work to be done that will be done we need the legislation done and i would i would expect and hope for the support of the opposition and in passing that legislation expeditiously and quickly because that needs to be in place and i would say as well for some of the criticism from political circles it is important to know that not one submission was received from the main opposition party in relation to what they would do for this scheme but that aside real progress has been made yesterday good movement and thanks and to be fair thanks to the really hard work of those in the working group and residents okay so can i can i ask you just to even you know maybe speak directly then to to the people affected by this in answering this question and and i'm not going to phrase it in the same way as i did previously if this scheme with the cap of 420 brings in around about 82 percent of those affected as part of 100 percent redressers those are around about the mag figures getting the 82 well they say they say that the cap of 420 leaves about 18 percent 8 percent i don't think they do to be fair okay well i i don't if i'm wrong on that i don't i don't want to contradict you know i don't my question is is do you believe then whomever can get to their houses built under this cap will not have to contribute to the building cost themselves confidence in saying that today yes i'm based on a fair rate and a fair price by the contractors which will be independently assessed by way of the applications managed by the housing agency i absolutely think we can do that okay earners desire but what i would i just want to take to want to go back and look i don't see 18 percent of home owners in any way shape or form left out by the for by the 420 thousand euro cap actually based on our analysis you would be looking at probably about two percent if i look at the local property tax returns which is a good indication of the value of homes you know in in in any region across the country there's about 300 homes in dunigal and they're not all affected by by mica thankfully who would have a valuation of over 437 thousand so i don't i i genuinely don't see i think our new cap which is which is significantly higher and also the the workings within it will ensure that most homes will be in it and really importantly that rental homes registered with the rtb will also be included and that's a big departure and that's something that we want to make sure and that can be done retrospectively so someone's listening to this today they have a second property it's being rented they're not obliged to register with the rtb there are obliged to register with by law by law yes anyone renting a property has to register with the rtb yes so basically gregg that the registration date is the first of november that properties have to be registered by i don't mean under the scheme sorry i mean in general no in general in general if you're renting a property to anyone it has to be registered to the rtb unless it is like a short term holiday yes like rtb for example that's that's the law and has been for many years and likely so that's to protect tenants but if someone doesn't have it read if they're renting it today and they don't have it registered they should have a registered great let's just presume they didn't know can they register and have it and and no the registration date gregg is that homes that and there are around 900 homes that we that we estimate and these are estimates but as good as we can get around 900 homes that are registered with the residential tenancy board and our second properties will have access to the scheme if you're asking me if someone is renting a home to a tenant today which is the first of december and it wasn't registered with the rtb could they retrospectively registered and get into the scheme no they can't and what if they were in between tenants say for instance to be fair to be fair that's something that we will look at and that has been raised with me and i think that where it's a genuine situation which there can be with a a house being vacated and a new tenant coming in i think that we will look at that piece but like as i said if you look at the east coast scheme for argument's sake and these were very good points made people wanted you know wanted to make sure that there was that there was parity and there was questions around that it's only one property per household in the east coast we're now in some instances permitting to okay because we recognize where we are in a house in christ there are tenants there in these homes i'm also going to have a mechanism potentially where i do want us to look at the potential of purchasing homes particularly where there are tenants in situ where we can provide secure homes we could have tenants who are on housing assistance payments houses being rented to them i think there is an opportunity and it might make sense it does make sense and then we're keeping you know we're building up our social but do you know just in that decision you've made there you know there are people listening to this who didn't register with the rtb that's their entire life pulled from under them you recognize Greg can i be really straight with you it's the law to register with the rtb okay so it this will be a small most landlords and tenants will be registered with the rtb okay and and they should be and in fairness that's recognized we have to have controls and parameters around it as to who access this and this is a big change and you know if someone is a landlord and they have a tenant it should be registered with the rtb that's the law so okay last question holiday homes commercial properties uh agricultural buildings will there be anything for them in the near to mid future well what we're doing with the in the legislation will we'll have a three-year review and every scheme needs to be reviewed in relation to commercial properties farm buildings and that that doesn't fall under my own uh remit okay and there are issues and they're real and i've seen it in other parts of the country they haven't been included in other schemes well it would said in relation to holiday homes they would have access to schemes let's say like the repair and lease that if someone did have a holiday home and they wanted to repair and lease to a local authority that option is available but you know they are things that that can be kept under review my real focus is and i think all of us will will agree when we have about seven and a half thousand homes to be done it's the family homes where people are living in them you know all the way through the year that that need to be attended to first and we've got to attend them on the basis of the worst first principle so that's another thing i'm bringing in that wasn't in the other scheme which is a damaged category racing so we need to make sure that those homes that are that are more badly damaged are attended to quicker so like we'll be starting this work in relation to the new administration of the scheme and mental health supports as well which we've agreed which is a big issue for people who come you know come through a trauma on this we want to make sure the supports are there as many of the short-term things that we're going to do we remove the upfront cost issue and that is a big barrier that was in the original scheme and i discussed this with you on your show before the six thousand euro to access the scheme that's gone and you know so there's there's many many many positives there so and look i'm happy i'd be happy obviously to keep you updated on progress and i do if i could in conclusion genuinely thank the working group and all of those who've been involved who've really represented residents in in dunygol so well and and indeed indeed my my my own colleagues as well in in the eructus who have worked very hard on this on behalf of their constituents now minister for housing local government and heritage to our Brian thanks for joining us today until noon show is brought to you an association with ulster tires are your tires ready for winter call into ulster tires in letter kenny and volleyball today ho ho festive folk it's fair to say we deserve to go big this christmas and at tk max we've got every fabulous gift you need to christmas to the max there's designer steels for everyone from your mum to your secret santa big love at small prices this christmas at tk max show your appreciation for dunygol business this christmas with by dunygol visit by dunygol dot com to see a host of participating businesses and 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brian he seems to be suggesting that this 1000 square foot cap before we enter sliding scales a movable feast he says it could be independently changed to 1500 2000 what do you mean 50 what do you mean 1500 2000 well in the interview i was asking about this 1000 square foot did you know with the initial rate and then the slight sliding scale beyond he says that independently could be said higher he insists that he insists that people who engage in the scheme will not have to put their hands in their own pockets i lost a lot of us through this brilliant because when i looked at the scheme yesterday at the start i was like in right this could possibly this could possibly work and whenever i was chatting with charlie then after he phoned in and i says to him charlie this is a mess like we can that's more less like an average of 125 this is a disgrace but charlie kept pushing on to me and he kept pushing on and he started turning around and says listen on february the csa is going to change and i says but darro brian says february michael martin says apple i says charlie if it's apple it's a waste of time i said but if it's february and those changes what does it mean it's going to change the the housing authority prices so that means that it actually could go up a could go up to a price of 160 euros square foot of it actually goes up to a housing authority it could still work but i'm just worried about the lack of detail that's there and the way they threw it out it's just it's so so frustrating that we're so close and yet we seem so far away it sounds like a communication thing because what they announced yesterday is not really what some might feel they're just trying to kick this into the next year some might say they just wanted some figures to announce yesterday with the review in february april it's so confusing it's hard to get for me to get my head around it not don't know how it must feel for those who are affected by it i'm so frustrated i'm a person i'd be like i'd be um they should be they should be embarrassed to come out with a scheme after all these months that they're doing you know you actually think what will they do into the summer that they come out with a statement like this like there's a lack of detail on it is unbelievable as the demolition and the price of the square foot as the as the esp just connecting and hooking on the lack of details crazy i think it's that's embarrassing on the behalf i think is there enough here to work on though patty because a lot of people are looking to the likes of you and others and in the microaction group saying well what next what do we do now you know do we wait and see do we take to the streets do we you know i said to charlie i said to charlie yesterday what is it charlie i said you more or less come out and call out there do you as a why you want this because it was a why you want this a why you'll get as i've been on the phone to the to the farmers and the fishers and the haulage i says a revolution i says i was just around the corner of just keep messing the people about but he keeps trying to calm me down and says patty you're overstepping it's just calm down calm down he says february when this csa comes out in february he says this will be up with your current standards like a housing authority gets so if i'm led to believe that i said how am i says well i'll tell you one thing charlie if it's april that's a why you're going to get i said if you can come back to me tomorrow and tell me that at february and we will be up to housing authorities i how can i take how can i go to a state to double them when he tells me that so it can explain to me then uh if it's brought up to the housing authority levels does that how does that affect that this whole sliding scale and the concerned people have about having to sort of come up with your 45 your 50 or 60 grand depending on the size of the house no but you see that's a charlie say no sliding scale the sliding scale has to go as a straight through square foot rate that's kind of the way it's going to have to be like it's 170 down the west of ireland for square foot rate and i tell us the charlie it's about 220 down in Dublin and it's 150 up and down the gul at least that's a hundred that's really 150 plus maybe up to 160 but at the same time i says charlie he's a three so 125 i says totally not only pathetic there's not a contractor in ireland that can do this here but he keeps pushing back this february we will be up to the current standards and if that means it's up to 150 we'll get 150 and if it's up to 160 but as i'm trying to kill him but the sliding scale as a killer has to go thus the sliding killer has me confused been honest yeah well i'm good i'm not on my own in that also in our interview with dara o brian he was very clear in and hasn't very little sympathy for anyone who didn't have their second property registered with the rtb on november 1st he says there's going to be you know no wiggle room in that if you weren't registered on november the first you can't avail of this scheme yeah you see this is a thing about it like i i i i am not naive enough to think it in life we don't like we're going to get everything we want and i always said last time we didn't want to leave nobody behind but we well known there's farmers and about and the commercial buildings what that they weren't getting a snuff out there there's always a case there of the legal route or if we can get a farmer representative to come on and help them to make action or a or a business to come on to the make action group and even though it's looking like a holiday homes we need we need new faces like a lot of a lot of people have been through us here for a long time and when they get us here they're looking they're looking out they're tired they've done the family homesinks they need new faces to come on and represent us here because you can see the government are not giving us everything right so patty again people are going to be looking to you what does this mean for december january into february is this do we wait and see you know the reevaluation keep pushing on the sliding scale like what happens in terms of you know your focus do you switch off for now as much as you can until until february and wait and see or what's the story no listen i'm getting all the docs lined up here because if they try and hoodwinks is again and goes on to April because under people it's not going to happen there's going to be a revolution i'm on i am on the phone at the farmers i'm trying to get numbers and get everybody lined up and ready to see what their action is there's a lot of zoom calls and a lot of meetings a lot of phone calls just to see where we're at and let's get where we're out of the moment all right listen patty i'll let you get back to it thanks for joining us this morning i appreciate it all right take care of yourself we're also joined by barry kerney a campaigner on this issue um the sliding scale issue a lot of confusion here uh and as i say you know on a personal level i'm glad it's not just me that that can't get my head around it because i don't know if you heard any of uh darryl brine's uh interview barry but he seems to say that it's not necessarily one thousand it could be fifteen hundred it could be two thousand he says whatever it takes he'll be told independently whatever it takes to fix these houses to limit if not remove the the the the need for homeowners to put their hands in their own pockets he seems to suggest that this scheme allows for that good morning greg um greg this is um this is a deliberate exercise by by darryl brine by charlie mcconnell with anyone watching last night on on the tonight show uh the campaigners have always said that the devil is in the detail and once again that has been proved correct uh the difference i think this time is not just the campaigners every single homeowner yesterday up here now i'll try my best and provide some clarity here around a sliding scale so based on the first where these figures are coming from right based on the first 43 houses that have been processed through donagall county council the app of the repair square foot of those houses is 150 euro that is what the market uh construction market is telling us here in donagall but that's what the price is at now that price is only going one way greg and it's not down that price is only going to go up okay so that's based on the 100 or the first 43 houses that's where that 150 square foot rate comes out of right the next point then is yesterday uh this 138 euro um that was being talked about that was the scsi calculators rate for donagall okay now i appeal to anyone today any single homeowner or any person watching in here go on the website of the scsi calculator type in donagall type in your area any area in the country that will give you a figure okay and that figure is not a split break break that figure is not a split break that is a flat break for the size of your home so if you have a 2000 square foot home you're getting a 130 a euro based on that calculator a flat rate across the board okay the second point i want to make is last night and daryl uh charlie mcconnell said it last night on the tonight show daryl brian just said it in your show they threw innocent homeowners out of that working group completely under the bus and said that they came up with a split rate uh in the working group uh the slide in scale that as a total lie well there's a bit of there's a bit of gymnastics going on there because yeah he did he did say he did say that it did it did come up during the talks process but i did ask him directly which i think is the key question was this a homeowner's idea and that he said no yeah so why throw in the conversation in the working group because of course uh and we'll be speaking to uh michael doherty later on he clarified the situation in the context in which it was discussed and shelved as part of that process to throw it in the conversation now is is is quite distracting yeah the key point that everybody needs to realize here greg this is the key point and this is i we know exactly what the minister and his colleagues are trying to do here okay we the key point that everyone needs to realize is this morning this morning based on the average tax home and dummy bought a homeowner based on that sliding scale has to find 65 000 to fix their home but you're not satisfied then with darrow brine saying that this will be independently reviewed if you're reviewed it you know he muddied the water a little bit on the thousand square feet he says no one will be out of pocket he's really confident of that uh his word seemed like that he believes that that that these houses will be rebuilt at no cost to the homeowner that doesn't satisfy you though because it's not clear as to how i it's not clear as to how it it'll be achieved what he says will be achieved yeah the that's sliding scale as michael already talked about last night that was a bolt-on by the housing department that is a terms and condition or a devil in the detail that they have stuck in here uh with the sole purpose of trying to save save money and the second point um he he mentioned on this top there this this was a calculated insertion by the officials and the department of housing and the government they knew that by putting a sliding scale that they would uh take out some of the homeowners here they would have meaning them having to dump their hands into a pocket and determined condition that they stuck in there was completely and utterly calculated because they knew having done their own analysis on the residential tenancies board they knew that the vast majority of landlords in donegal were not our tv register while he's telling you there that it's a requirement by law any homeowner any homeowner or any landlord who has a home that has a hap family in there that is not a requirement in that contract that they signed up to the residential tenancies board he's quite firm in it being the law yeah yeah because he's doing it for them for me i think it was cancer i don't want to attribute to the wrong person yesterday said clearly that it's not that you can it's not obligatory yeah it's a it's a it's a this this in my opinion greg yesterday this sliding scale was a complete another 11th hour insertion by by whoever whoever decided to do this and again it's it's back down the same old road this is what they've done the last time the difference this time though is that they hope not just the mica campaigners or the mica action group or anyone else every single homeowner last night you can see it across social media was fully aware of what was going on and i would like to just give a special mention to martin bradley who actually came up with an excellent spreadsheet that got shared last night very informative to give very informative and give the true picture of what's 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those campaigning by on their behalf and also affected by this um they believe that it's going to end up costing a lot of people a lot of money that this is another scheme that's sold as a in this instance a hundred percent scheme but it won't be a hundred percent yeah listen thanks for having me on Greg and listen I totally understand that the anxieties of families is a really anxious time it was an important moment as well in relation to the publication of the of the scheme and the culmination of all the work that's gone on over the last number of weeks and months and every family is looking at this to see how does it impact them how do they ensure that they get their house rebuilt or how do they ensure they get their house remediated and the details are really important relation to this and we've made every effort possible to ensure as much detail as possible is is clear within the scheme and in terms of how it's not clear despite your best efforts it's not clear at all because there's people here that are embedded deep into this and have worked on it 24 hours a day for this year and even well before that that can't fully make head no tail of it but I mean people are digesting it at the moment the the key aspect now obviously keep the key concern that people have at the moment is around that square foot rate Greg and that was that there was a central consideration in relation to putting together the scheme and also in relation to ensuring that the scheme will adjust year in year as this evolves because we all know the scale of the work that's going to be involved we know it's going to take probably at least a decade to do that so it's going to be really important to me then if someone's like if what's happening in relation to the if someone's building let's take let's take an average 2500 square foot building you explain to me then as someone who signed off on this how that is done under what was announced yesterday with them having with not having to come up with 50 or 60 000 euro yeah well well for example if you take it at the moment in terms of the scheme that was announced yesterday for a 2500 square foot property which is just which is maybe a 100 or 200 square foot higher than what the average has been in so far it would be a bit above what the average in the count the average form the county is but is it one or 200 square foot above what the average applicant so far has been so that two and a half thousand square foot of property and in the outgoing scheme the maximum grant that could be got for that was 247 000 euro deducted from that 247 also had to be for example the up front engineering costs but if we could just park the last game because there's people that got the mic is it's the last game just explain to me how people build a house without having to try and find the money themselves so to explain to explain that the grant level based on the 2001 sbcsi figures which were from the start of this year and which will be updated now in February to reflect what's happened over the course of 2021 and we know there's been a lot of movement over 2021 in relation to materials in relation to building costs and that has to be updated now in February through the sbcsi process definitely February by the way year that's absolutely yeah but we that that is that is a plan we're asking the sbcsi and the intention is that it'll be provided in February and every effort they made to ensure that that is delivered in February um but and that will also not just this is not just important for next year it's important for every single year after that that that happens but as we're still in 2021 and we don't have the end of year or the 2021 inflation figures that will come in February based on what we know so we brought clarity to that yesterday but basing it on the 2021 situation which will update in February but we've tried to bring as much clarity as we could be basing it on the figures that are there now which will update in February but based on that for that two and a half thousand square foot property which you're referring to which you said previously would have got 247,000 max it will now get an allocate it's grant under the current under what's proposed yesterday to be updated in February but as of yesterday will be 305,000 euro plus an extra 20,000 euro on top of that for the rental and the storage cost so no if you take yeah again it's just i'm not laboring the point but so the the the figure is struck at a thousand square feet initially and then there's a sliding scale okay now if a builder let's just use the 150 right so my the builder says i can build it for 150 that's for the first a thousand square foot now for the remainder 1500 the scheme would slide down to so let's say 110 euro so that would leave me 40 euro down per square foot for the 1500 explain to me how that doesn't leave me out of pocket and that will help an awful lot of people if you can explain that well um well the first thing is that that revision at the start of each year to reflect inflation the previous year okay that is to accommodate the likes of what you described there in terms of what's going on the market that's the role of that um and in relation then to in relation to what was announced yesterday with regard to the sliding scale of a figure for the first thousand square feet the second thousand square feet and the remainder so as i say for that two and a half thousand square foot property the grant for that using that calculation would be 305,000 no no but if you just explain this the the market rate will be struck for the first 1000 square feet so let's say that's 150 the scale then slides for the the remainder all for a portion to 110 okay in simple terms that 40 euro deficit right between how much a builder would be charging me and how much i would get on the scheme how is that made up well so overall in relation to the so if i come on so if i come under 420,000 it doesn't it's all paid for yes you can you can get paid up to the maximum 420,000 euro but so the key the thing i mean the idea behind the the the the phasing or the the adjustment of it as it goes on is that and from a from a surveying point of view the larger the house the more economies of scale you have in relation to that so for example it's that figure if the figure is there an economy of scale in the figure struck at 150 per square foot but but for example to make to make this point Greg so let's say if you set just a flat rate right across all of it right across the whole board across the board okay let's say it was 138 okay which is where the scsi is at the moment you set that across the board okay then you're up front costs and you're starting costs let's say for an average size property let's say a three bed semi it might be 1500 square feet 1600 square feet well they would be availing of 30 of 138 euro per square foot for their house and but they would have a lot of upfront costs in that as well in terms of design etc all of that getting builders on site it's more expensive at the start of it but if you only had one flat rate going right throughout it then that that property would have would would be better off for example was a higher rate in the first part let me ask again let me ask again because I'm asking again so so scale then for the remainder the first the first 1000 foot is struck at 150 let's say that's the going rate right and I've got another 15 right but you're only given me 110 again just explain to me where that short falls but that's going to have to be but again that is going to have to be assessed by the sbcsa as well to make sure that the second 1000 square feet and the third 1000 square feet is reflective of the market cost of actually building a house that size and that's that's what will be updated in February and will be assessed through the sbcsa but if you were at the point it was making there was a function of the slide and scale then sorry what is the function of the so the function of the sliding scale is and listen here you're making the point earlier on in relation to the working group this this was something that was considered and teased out the working group as well that idea that the first whatever it would be 1000 square foot 1500 square foot what what the the suggestion discussion of the working group was that the first 1700 square foot would be set a certain rate and that the remainder would be set a different rate and that the square foot at the working group discussion where that was discussed that was a rate of 138 for the first 1700 square foot and 118 the remainder and that was where that was at so this obviously is three different scales the 4000 square foot the second and the third but the key thing is that those costings are reflective of what's happening in the market and that's why in terms of the engagement of the sbcsi that that will be considered and delivered so you signed off yesterday on a 100 redress scheme you're certain of that absolutely this the key principle behind the scheme Greg is delivering 100% redress that is that is the key principle we give as much clarity as we could yesterday based on the existing sbcsi because that will be the structure that's used every year going forward to make sure that the scheme is robust that is fit for a purpose and that adjusts with time each year to make sure it's as the scheme is as relevant and covers costs in in five and six years time in the same way the same way it does today and that is that's I know that's the critical point people are looking at it's essential it's essential for people that that is appropriate to the market costs and that's why that structure that structure is in there and that will be updated in February to reflect that and if it can just touch now as well on some of the other issues now obviously in relation to options two to five okay news is going to be a couple of minutes labor carry on you in relation to options two to five that will be something that will that that will be the option for a lot of people as well again at 100% and really importantly in there is a certification process for that similar to what happened in the pirate remediation scheme that green cert process to ensure the value and insurability can be applied to that home and also for to ensure that there's confidence given to homeowners the opportunity to reapply the scheme and just a bit can go over some other details but it was all of this is already done by because it has a key objective and then you'll listen you'll get a lot of flak and this and this job and when you're involved in delivering these things but the key objective here is to deliver a scheme which works for homeowners and someone just to give some of the other key things which which which are adjusted so obviously that upfront cost that will now be covered by the housing agency not by the homeowner so the homeowner's only cost will be the second six or seven hundred euro assessment at the start previously they had to pay for that it had to be taken out of their 247,000 euro maximum allowable and then they had to look for to be recouped later later on really important development and a stronger outcome than was in the place for the remediation scheme was that was was the one rental per owner as well so even if your private residence is affected and you also have a rental you will also get the rental in there that wasn't the case in the private remediation scheme and that is a development on it the the rental costs are really important what I'd say to anyone who has been renting a resorting is to make sure to keep their keep their documents and keep their receipts because they will be recouped for that that's currently in that situation yes that's to 15,000 euro and five thousand if you look at the private scheme great it was five thousand euro maximum for rental three thousand euro for for for just one the likes of connecting to ESB demolition is demolition covered as part of the costs demolition is part of the assessment of the SBCSI rebuild cost yes it is part of their calculation and that'll be updated that'll be updated again as part of the February process right unfortunately that's where we have to leave it thanks for your time this morning I appreciate it that was minister Charlie Mcconnell we'll be back with more after the news at Ten Apologies coming to you a couple of minutes later live on air online and on the Highland Radio app this is Highland Radio News good morning it is 10 o'clock Donald Kavanaugh at the Highland Radio News desk the housing minister has admitted there is more work to be done on the enhanced micro address scheme which was unveiled yesterday much criticism has been voiced over the inclusion of 145 euro per foot square cap for the first 1000 square foot of a property which could leave homeowners still forking at tens of thousands of euro mental health supports and the removal of upfront costs are among a number of measures to be included also however Micah affected holiday homes remain excluded and rental properties while now under the remit of the scheme must have been registered with the RTB as of November 1st speaking on this morning's 9 to noon show minister Dara O'Brien said he's confident that once the square foot sliding scale is revised early next year homeowners will receive 100% redress there is work to be concluded by February in relation to a new race and I'm saying to you now that I am confident when that work is completed that in all remediation options and actually options two to five don't require that race that that will be full 100% the work that we will do and be done independently of me will take into account building cost inflation so that race should and I expect will ensure that residents will not have to where a fair prices struck have to contribute to the scheme well my campaigner Pali Dipper says he has had a conversation with the agriculture minister charlie mcconnellog in which he said the sliding scale is confusing and has to go the government says in February the per foot rate will change based on housing agency assessments of prevailing market conditions Pali Dipper says if that happens in February in a way that guarantees homeowners will not be out of pocket then that's acceptable however he said if the issue was kicked down the road to April or beyond then the government will have a war on its hands on today's 9 to noon show he said the most important thing now is clarity on that per foot that's a straight through square foot rate is kind of the way it's going to have to be like it's a hundred and seventy down the west of Ireland for square foot rate and I told us to Charlie that's about 220 down in Dublin and it's a hundred and fifty up and down the gulf maybe up to a hundred and sixty but at the same time I said Charlie he's a three so one two five I said totally not only pathetic there's not a contractor in Ireland that can do this here but he keeps pushing back this February we will be up to the current standards and if that means it's up to a hundred and fifty we'll get a hundred and fifty and if it's up to a hundred and sixty but as I'm trying to tell him but the sliding scale as the killer has to go other news on the education minister says children who don't wear face masks to school will be sent home from today students in third class and above will have to wear masks in school only students who have a medically certified exemption will be allowed attend without a face covering it comes as covid cases among five to twelve year olds have increased by forty seven percent in the space of two weeks minister Norma Foley says it is an expert recommended safety measure you provide a medical certificate explaining the situation regarding your child obviously will be exempted but if you do not do that there has to be clarity around this it has to be operational it is a safety measure and and that is that will be the scenario that students who do not comply and do not have a medical basis will be asked to stand down from school one point four million people are said to receive their Christmas bonus next week more than three hundred and thirteen million year old will be paid into bagging cans by the department of social protection from December 6th pensioners carers those with disabilities loan parents and long-term social welfare recipients are among those who benefit people on the pup or job seekers will only be eligible if they've been on the payments for twelve months and a state watchdog says the government is kicking the can down the road on pension reform a government established pension commission recently said the state pension age will have to rise due to the country's aging population however the government recently delayed raising the pension age to sixty seven until twenty twenty eight the chair of the Irish fiscal advisory council Sebastian Barnes says this may create problems but one concern is that by having the increase in the pension age in twenty twenty eight that's quite a long time from today it's maybe two general elections between now and then and so it does rely on the willingness of a future government to implement these policies and that's a risk right it partly does kind of kick the can down the road looking at the weather forecast I met Aaron tell us it'll stay cold and windy this morning with scattered showers and some sunny spells developing some of the showers will be heavy though it falls asleep likely along with the risk of hail highest temperatures this afternoon just six to eight degrees Celsius in fresh to strong and gusty northwesterly winds they'll ease as we head toward evening and that's island radio news we're back with news headlines again at eleven o'clock good morning the obituary notice is for this Wednesday morning December the first the death has occurred of Marie Doherty Nehue's Korean 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this yesterday and into this morning but having spoken to ministers O'Brien and McConaughey it seems less clear to me has anything been clarified as far as you're concerned today so I haven't heard either they meant to reuse those on what they've asked me to different different calls different calls don't ask me to paraphrase them I'm actually quite clear Greg on where it's at and what we have today and I'm sure some of the guys that's already will have made it very clear the average size house is going to proceed 65,000 short what has happened here and I heard reference I'll I'll I'll work off tonight show last night and I heard some of the stuff that minister McConaughey come away with and this idea that the working group come up with it we were on the working group in the minority I might add but what I will also say is that we never subscribed to a split rate so they may say the working group come up with it but the working group presented their own final document and it's on record that we not approve it anyway but what I will say but I've talked directly to the housing minister is was this did this come from homeowners and he said no I don't know why it was thrown in as part of the discussions maybe to muddy the waters somewhat that it's part of the the working group I'm sure a lot of stuff was discussed as part of the working group but what came out of it was the final document that's the that's the key piece of information yeah and you know if they want to go down that road well what happened and part of the reason for the extension in the working group was that the housing department refused to give us any help in terms of what square foot rates would look like and I remember you would have interviewed myself you'd have interviewed Eileen at the time who said you know we're ordinary homeowners we're not QS is what do we do so what they suggested was that we link in with the housing agency John O'Connor the CEO of that housing agency was also part of the working group and he said he would put his people together on it they came back with figures based on that 138 but the housing department insisted upon economy of scale to be put in there and on the back of that there was a square foot rate a split square foot rate proposed by the housing agency which was 138 euro for the first 1700 square feet and then 118 euro thereafter okay so that was never signed off on all that ever was was a suggestion by them so our part sorry very important just our part in that was Joe Morgan getting involved to go in because he was good with spreadsheets Joe will tell you himself he wouldn't know the difference a shovel and a spade so he was never going to be the man that's going to validate these figures all he did was to try and understand the spreadsheet how it worked so that he could explain it to everybody else that was the role but see that 138 118 even if they had to use that we would have been 43,000 better off sorry 43,000 worse off instead of 65,000 worse off we would have been 22,000 euro better off today on the average size house if I had have used the housing agency square foot figures but they didn't even do that okay what they did was they went with the sliding scale that the housing department contrived yesterday which is actually worse than what the housing agency wanted was suggested during the working group explain to me how the sliding scale leave someone 65,000 down in other words they have to so very easy very easy right we know for a fact that 150 euros this is well trodden at this stage 150 euro is what the market says you need 43 houses that have been passed through the council confirms that so if you take the roughly the average size house is 2,400 square feet 2,400 square feet times 150 is 360k if you so that's that's the true cost to the homeowner 360k as a minimum and if you then go along and take the square the sliding scale was applied yesterday the first thousand feet is at 145 euro square foot that is 145,000 euro if you take the next thousand feet they're at 110 euro square foot that brings you up then to that's another 110,000 you're adding on there so you're now up at 255,000 you've got 400 square feet left at 100 euro that's 40,000 40,000 added to 255 brings it to 295 295 is what the government will give you 360 is what the contractor wants you are 65,000 short now both Daryl O'Brien and Charlie McConnelog seem insistent that when there's a re-evaluation in February that it will kind of be balanced out over the first thousand and subsequent thousands and even Daryl O'Brien suggested that the thousand square feet before the slide kicks in it could be 1500 he said it doesn't have to be a thousand both of them say that when things are re-evaluated in February that whatever way that is done and whatever sprinkle dust is put on it that homeowners will not have to pay and I put it directly to the minister O'Brien does he believe that people will have to contribute to the rebuild of the house is this is what he had to say there is work to be concluded by February in relation to a new race and I'm saying to you now that I am confident when that work is completed that in all remediation options and actually options two to five don't require that race that that will be full 100 percent the work that we will do and be done independently of me will take into account building cost inflation so that rate should and I expect will ensure that residents will not have to where a fair price is struck have to contribute to the scheme how does that work three things in there that is get out of jail card it expects first of all and that a fair rate will be struck I can't even remember the one but the fair rate will be struck right so conditions in there number one number one in there he expects this to happen there is nothing in black and white that backs that up in any shape or form so we're going to be asked to trust him and you know where we've been on the trust scale with these guys all along he is also expecting a fair rate to be struck what does he deem to be the fair rate we know for a fact expectations aside that in fact right now we've got that 150 square foot what he needs to do Greg if he comes along in February time and introduces a new starting point so it's not 145 it's 160 let's say right and he still insists on applying that scale all you've done is move the whole thing up the differential is still the same and 65,000 remains that was exactly my understanding of it but again I asked the same question three or four times but the same question to Charlie Mcconnellog and both of them come out saying that by the time this re-evaluation is done that all costs will be covered and I could not get my head around that because no matter if you increase it by a factor but still maintain and I asked Charlie Mcconnellog directly if the going market rate for the first thousand square foot is okay we can agree and it's 865 that's fine how does the homeowner make up the shortfall with the remainder as the sliding scale goes down so then if it's 120 how do they make up that 45 per square foot and the answer again was through the re-evaluation program a fair price will be set and all building costs will be covered and I was I said to Caroline during the 10 o'clock news I'm starting to lose my mind here because I can't figure that out and that's why I apologize for if I'm in any way complicating this further not at all not at all what we have here is a people in Donegal I'm an awful lot wiser than what we all wear the first time round and we can smell it and we can see it this is not going to be much different what we had before there is absolutely there's a there's a the other thing I would say in there as well we've a scheme overall Greg that could work here that is the and really annoying part of this we were so close to having something now we could say is it perfect no it's not but is it workable yes it's workable at 145 flat rate across the board it's workable and they introduced very very much at that 11th hour because I have very very strong connections now at this stage inside and nobody knew what happened here's the thing the housing minister said that the overwhelming majority of houses will be built for under 420,000 he said it would only leave 2% behind for the 420,000 euro cap if that cap is there to protect the taxpayer in the state why the need for the sliding scale then if he believes that 98% of houses will be built for the 420 there is the protection what is the function then of the sliding scale and again I didn't feel I got a very clear answer as to the reason for that no and you're not because the answer is not palatable and the reality is the sliding scale saves the ejector quite a lot of money only if the homeowner chips in though oh exactly well yes exactly right well where you're going to get they're going to save more than they think because no homeowner is going to avail of a scheme that's going to cost them an average 65,000 so the scheme basically is dead in the water nobody's going to use it and the problem continues they have got an opportunity here to go do this right great our doors open we haven't closed doors on anybody they need to come if they have got something that's going to give us the comfort that they think that backs up Daryl Brain's words he needs to show us what these formulas looks like we're not going to work off a few old watery statements and I've expect this and you know hope for that that doesn't wash anymore we know what we need then they are trying to prevent themselves having to do that but it's got to the point where you know all that's behind us they can very easily come to a point where we will be in a workable position for this scheme remove that sliding scale that's what they need to do now what I'll also say if you talk to any quantity surveyor they're not talking sliding skills and they'll tell you why themselves if you bring in a contractor now to start on your house and say for example it takes you know 40 palates of slits versus 30 palates of slits they're not getting a discount anymore in them last 10 palates of slits they're lucky they can get the 40 palates of slits if you're looking for a block builder to go build blocks for you now and he's charging the x amount per block he's not giving you any economy skills towards the end if the government took over the building of these houses and engaged with one contractor or a series of them for 6,000 houses maybe then it might apply yeah exactly right there's going to be economy scale when you move into its states right and you're going to go on 20 or 30 houses absolutely but the economy scale does not exist at ground level when you're comparing one-off houses a smaller house versus a bigger house you know the difference between a 2000 and a 3000 square foot house there is no economy scale there that reflects what they have added in in terms of discount pair square foot rate which is massive you know it's dropped from 145 to 100 euro almost a third knocked off that scale that's absolutely ridiculous they knew that was never going to work in the last minute what happens between now and February you've got Minister Mcconnellog Minister O'Brien saying by February it'll become clear that this scheme will cover most people and it will cover all of their costs and there's a lot of good stuff in there by the way yeah the rent mental health supports don't get me wrong but we have to focus on the sticking points here what do you do between now and February it's simple in our eyes where we're at is we have a scheme of that work as it stands right now all the good stuff that you talked about in that scheme is dead in the water because of the fact that we can't afford 65,000 to start with here right so the every all the work going into the scheme basically is negated by this problem of a sliding scale they need to remove the the sliding scale and if they're not going to remove the sliding scale immediately they need to give us that firm promise and commitment and something in writing that says when this evaluation is done come February 10 by SCSI there will be no sliding scale and I would suggest to people in the meantime then unless you've 65,000 that you're not too worried about hold back until SCSI come back in February but if SCSI come back in February and there's still a sliding scale it's it's it's it's it's gloves off because it's absolutely no use to he says they make so he he says minister of wine he says that they might come out with a different recommendation and the scaleless and say it could might not be a thousand it could be 15 to a thousand I think you said in the last 30 seconds pardon migrants what is the process here in terms of it's been signed off at the cabinet does this go to the floor floor of the doll and if so when yeah well you know there could be there could be three or four months and all this bit time is completely so it won't be before February this is the point in other words you know I know you've got a number of TDs on the record saying they'll vote maybe you know they'll vote with you guys we will know that we'll know the re-evaluation and and February will pass before this comes to a vote on the floor of the doll then yeah the principle is what we need to debate now and agree and then there's the mechanics of the primary legislative world and what I was told is that the senior council appointed specifically for us to get this through but it could still take two three four months we don't know that and we don't have much control all we do know is that there's no point in them even thinking about it with what they have on the table right now the sliding skill cap has to go or they're wasting their time putting anything through primary legislation all right thanks for your time this morning I appreciate it Councillor Martyn McDermott will join us with his views and more guests on 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McLaughlin will also join us and others Chancellor Martin McDermott your reaction to your reaction to this announcement good morning Greg look there's lots of positives in the announcement yesterday certainly a lot of the issues that have been taken up over the last particularly from February of last year to now to allow people to get into the scheme the 6000 euros gone the 500 that will cost you to get the assessment done the building condition assessment the fees for for accommodation and the fees for storage all that is good but we're hearing from my collection group saying don't even engage with this until we get some clarification so there will be a time I think to focus on that I'm going to come to that all that all that is good there's lots of good changes to the scheme but there is no doubt Greg that there is a big issue in relation to the square foot rate that that is a fact this is something that you know and I've spoken to your program a number of times on this with you on many occasions from from February of last year when we started talking about this on to only as recently as a few days ago and the issue with the square foot rate and the economy is the scale it just does not work it doesn't work for the people and I think that that is something that will have to be revisited and I know I was listening to the minister this morning both minister McConaug and minister Darrell brine that this will be evaluated by the surveyors of Ireland the charges of areas of Ireland come February what you made a very valid point there in your and your discussions with Michael in relation to the economy's scale if we if we move that square foot rate to a figure of 130 60 whatever that may be and we have an economy of scale dropping down then to 100 or 110 there still is a loss and and square foot rate there and if you discuss this with any surveyor that is doing costs for people with make effect holds at the minute there there is no economy scale in one of our houses that is something that they don't use at the minute it's something that they can't use at the minute so the the average rate is somewhere in around that moment another thing to say say for instance someone might be now getting a house built key in the door by a contractor right the contractor say it's a 2000 square foot house the contractor doesn't say I'm going to do the first 1000 square feet for this rate and then I'll do the second well maybe they do I'll do the second 1000 square feet at that rate what they do is they tell you actually key in the door is 220 euro is there an out there some way in in how how we value you know that contractors deliver an average you know what I mean that sits somewhere between the higher rate and the lower rate does that make sense yeah yeah and that makes very valid sense and I think that you know we had that average you know we worked very very hard on to get an average of that and looked at all the houses that are through the scheme at the minute and that average is somewhere in around 150 euro square foot and we've had lots of discussions with engineers so in other words specific to this process in February a rate could be struck at the high rate say 165 the low rate 140 and someone could access this taking an average across the board but then what confuses me is what's the function of the sliding scale at all yeah and then I suppose that's one of the things that that that we are asking as well is the sliding scale and I know that they're using the sliding scale as part of the Charter Surveyors of Ireland but as as you know if you go on to that calculator that doesn't use a slide in scale I assume that this is something that has been done by department officials in relation to how they cap figures of of you know the 2000 to 3000 square foot houses Well the Charter Macanolog also said demolition will be included in this evaluation that would be I mean obviously this this this system that you can employ to get a square foot price is not going to factor in for every new build demolition so how would that work how would demolition be factored into the cost per square feet well I suppose when you get your your square foot rate or your price for your house from a contractor now to command demolish and rebuild your house he's giving you a cost let that be 150 200 300 400 000 whatever that may be he's that already built into his costs so that square foot rate then of the size of your house versus the price that you have to pay will give you a square foot rate so we're going to have so we can then need a separate valuation to the regular national one in other words if I'm building a new house and I want to find out what the average square foot rate is I can engage with this what's it called again sorry the Charger's Avaeus of Ireland Charger's Avaeus of Ireland right but then someone obviously with a micro affected home wouldn't wouldn't be wanting to access the same portal as I because according to Minister Charlie McConaug demolition costs will be included in it is that how it gets scaled up in Australia that's right so that's correct if you went on to that today it's for a bold it's for you to build a new house the Charger's Avaeus of Ireland will be taken into consideration the demolish and rebuild of the existing dwelling that you have so that demolition cost will be included in that square foot rate that they come up with and that's vitally important that it does but it's vitally important that it's taken into consideration as to the cost that the demolishes are at the moment and that's quite substantial when someone has to come on to demolish a house and take it away to a registered contractor that can take that waste away and get rid of it in the appropriate manner and that does cost quite a considerable amount of money so I mean what do you wait and see till February or do you believe there's work to be done between now and then I just think I just think I don't understand right as I said this to Dair Bain directly this could be a very this entire three hours could be completely different if there wasn't this this confusion in here and the further I went into the interviews with both Minister McConlough and Minister O'Brien the more confused I get because they were playing down the sliding scale that it won't be a factor that the new figures will sort of leave it to the point where no one will be out of pocket but not really being able to explain that to me in the context of the sliding scale you know I would love to come out and for this to be a positive program Look Greg there's we all would love and I think we have to acknowledge you know again the amount of good stuff that there is in this this is is much much better scheme than what it has been the foundations now will be tested as part of your house you know there's lots of great stuff in this but I think the sticking point here is the square foot rate and I I feel that you know it's disappointing that that's where we are now at the minute but I think we have a scheme that can work we have a lots of things that are taken in there that can work and that will work and I think that if we work on the square foot rate and get that right and I think the government have a chance still to get that right that you know between now and February they have an opportunity to get this right and you know I think it's very vitally that we acknowledge the hard work hours and hours of work that the mic action group and the working group have put on from from last June until last night and one o'clock in the morning and hours upon hours that no one sees that the work that they've done I think that needs to be acknowledged and acknowledged very heavily and you know when this is over the line you know they might feel that's the time because there still seems to be an awful lot of work but I understand but they're prepared to do that work and we're prepared to stick with us and make sure look the outcome 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can get it over the line where it's much better for everyone if I take this scheme I'll have to put up 173,000 euro where am I going to get this money at this stage I built and designed my house myself this scheme is a complete shambles another caller has a house affected by mica bought it as turnkey if the house is to be demolished and rebuilt will the house be rebuilt to the same turnkey standard another why are the insurance companies not paying out for any of these affected houses well they've made their they said it's not their problem there's not an element of work that they cover if someone has to rent but is living with a family member and is paying them do they still qualify for the rent allowance that's a very individual inquiry and I'm not sure it would be even answerable at this stage what I cannot understand if the people have been well the problem with that is is to if you're paying rent that would be an income to the people that you're renting off and if they're declaring that income I imagine you can if they're not it could get complicated what I cannot understand says this texture if the people have been told the cap is up to four hundred and K four hundred and twenty K why would people have to spend so much money as Barry said when the majority of houses are priced between two and three hundred thousand well said Barry slide and scale golf which is designed to divide again Greg a full program must be dedicated to this issue ASAP which is what we're doing at the moment people are not getting enough time to explain the case explain the case accurately government reps only deflect or don't answer the questions Dara or Brian couldn't answer yours rebalance to be raised by the homeowners to the point where I actually got to the stage whereas I might because I was putting myself in this position I'm thinking right okay so the cost there is for the first thousand that's what the contractor wants the contractor wants the rest for the second thousand but I'm only being given I'm being given 30% less where does that come from I asked the question multiples of time then apparently it'll be evaluated and they'll determine a price that's fair is the answer but as I say that's not black and white that's maybe that's possibilities hello Greg can you please tell us is the engineer feet on a way with and how do you get on the scheme thanks for everything I would they said no upfront costs so any minor upfront costs will be refunded once you're on the scheme so that's seven grand figure is no longer applicable and we'll get details for you as to how you get on the scheme if the mica houses are rebuilt will they use the same block providers another caller says listen to radio and very confused one person says people won't have to pay money for redress and others say you will who's telling the porches well I doubt anyone's telling porches what they're doing is they're coming with their interpretation of it the government's interpretation is is that this is a 100% redress scheme those who have been campaigning for it are looking at it they're looking at the detail and they're saying hold on a second your average house you're going to have to come up with 65,000 of your own money it's through this conversation this debate and platforming and prof and debating it is that we try and get to the bottom of it the rtb court and Sligo has stopped many illegal evictions in Etterkenney of vulnerable tenants with disabilities thank you for that are we going to hear from Joe McHugh this morning you are going to hear from him before the end of the show rtb slide rtb slide and scale and look into rate next year are more ways of cutting the cost people paid in good faith for their property and have now been let down again Greg no acknowledgement of the root cause thanks for that Liam such nonsense from the minister and his party saying Sinn Fein didn't contribute to the mica scheme resolution in my opinion Sinn Fein always said the only scheme that they wanted was and that is what they still want I think what is referencing is what they declared publicly and we've had that conversation on this program I think what he's saying is a submission to the process so in other words that's what O'Brien Minister O'Brien was referencing obviously what Sinn Fein believed they would do in the situation is on the record O'Brien mentions the word fairness an awful lot while talking costs to the scheme fairness is a scarce commodity for the families who've been landed with this mess through no fault of their own another one a load of waffle from the government minister it's no wonder the countries the way it is with wafflers like that it's a disgrace so sad I'm losing faith in the government more and more every day I don't even want to raise my children here anymore another caller says Greg market value is not connected to replacement value another the government did not do their jobs that's why we are in this crisis second homes holiday homes farms sheds businesses all deserve to be reimbursed for buying the faulty blocks which the government did not regulate the scheme is not redressed this is a smoke screen dressed up I'd have been better off taken the 9010 scheme we marched in Dublin and the promised that no one would be left behind and I'm ready to march again they say more here our family's home is semi-detached to a holiday home do we fix ours and that there's crumble what do we do in this instance we actually have a holiday either side of us holiday homes and one opposite us in a cul-de-sac of seven properties only two are principal residents one a rental property three holiday homes and one vacant for sale wow I just wondering about the testing for my I'm waiting on my results back and wondering do I have to pay the 6000 now or am I exempt thanks Greg as part of the new scheme you wouldn't have to pay that but I'll tell you what to do in relation to that today's program is about reacting to the scheme what we will do in the near future is talk about the actual scheme itself when would it come in how would you apply for what's in and what's out because that is very very important information too but at the moment we're just trying to get the reaction from those people we've been speaking to some of them for 10 years at this stage on this program and in the newsroom so it's important as this seems to be although there could be some changes the final sort of situation we will dedicate time to that down the line right stay with us we have another guest joining us after this quick break for great fuel deals contact Gortley sales and hire large sacks and trailer loads of logs also briquettes coal kindling and gas with free delivery locally contact Gortley sales and hire in letter Kenny on 91 262 76 it's not just a sewing machine for Maya it's a chance to give her family a better life it's not just a way to make a living it's a chance to give her daughter an 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and it went from jubilation to desolation and totally this morning I'm kind of totally on the fence and cautiously optimistic to be telling you the honest truth because the sliding scale was just like pulling a rug from under the feet of the mica affected homeowners to be honest we have it on the record from the minister who's the minister now and who's the minister in February that all costs for most people will be covered that people will not have to go into their own pockets now if we just had evidence of that or that in writing maybe people could drop their shoulders a bit and enjoy Christmas as much as we can well listen I'm not a mathematician by any means but I'm not silly enough to think that we won't have to dip into our own pockets at this present moment in time with what they gave us yesterday we will be dipping into our own pockets and in a very substantial way now they're asking us to basically wait till February, March, April to see how this pans out you know I've been sold a pig in a boat do you know what I mean like there is no clarity on it it's too vague and as homeowners and I'm sure I'm speaking for many here we're the mental language that we are going through we don't need our vague promises we need reality and they could have come out yesterday with reality they could have clarity even clarity, reality listen we're very real people and as one said here Greg joining all people do not ask for nothing unless they really need it and we need it this candy needs it and other candies so they could have come out yesterday and give us the clarity we need it they are learned men they are sitting in a room they know the figures they know the facts they could have come out and give us that clarity yesterday and they didn't and this is the problem Greg whatever optimistic parts of the scheme have there have been an answer and there is some you know that and I know that the sliding scale has just it's pulled the rugs from under our feet because at the minute it's untenable to know how that is going forward and it's pulled the rugs from under their own feet because this could have been seen as a government who truly delivered on this not perfect some left behind I understand that but if we weren't discussing this sliding scale Charlie McConnelogue Joe McHugh Dara O'Brien could have come on and they'd still have faced some question of course but said we delivered what we promised but we're talking about this poxy sliding scale and it's pulled the rugs from under you but also from under themselves but definitely I mean heroes is not the words I like to use there is because let's face it Dara O'Brien was on yesterday saying this is unprecedented and we are working towards this and it's unprecedented that we're doing this well it's not they did it for the buy-right scheme and basically Greg they let this happen so they have to fix it and they are due demand to fix it and they have every right to fix it so we are not we are due this we are due to get this to get our minds back to get our lives back to get our future back because our past has been blighted for the last seven or eight years as you know Chris Doddy thank you thank you very much indeed as always and I appreciate your time thanks for keeping thanks and every homeowner I would just like to add serious to keep our heads up we are still on this and keep the fighting spirit up yep thank you Greg good man thank you all right so it's the 9 till noon show here at Highland Radio we've another hour to come on the programme we'll be continuing on coverage of that issue as you can imagine but also half left and we're going to be giving away 2,000 euro in cash if you've entered the prize draw to win a car stay tuned for that but it's time for a news break and it's over to Michaela Clark thanks Greg good morning the housing minister has admitted there is more work to be done on the enhanced micro game unveiled yesterday much criticism has been voiced over the inclusion of a 145 euro per square foot cap for the first 1,000 square foot of a property which could leave homeowner still forging out tens of thousands of euro Micah Campioner Paddy Diver meanwhile says he has had a conversation with the agriculture minister during which he told Charlie McConnlog the sliding scale is confusing and has to go the government says in February the per foot rate will change based on housing agency assessments of revealing market conditions the PRO of the Micah Action Group has warned that the fight for Micah affected homeowners is not over under the new redress scheme holiday homes have been excluded and while rental properties have now been included in the remit of the scheme they must have been registered with the residential tenancies board as of November the first Michael Doherty says holiday home owners cannot be left behind primary school students may be sent home from school if they won't wear a mask in class children in third class and above have 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every Tuesday down to Dublin I was speaking to families on the way down some of the campaigners and we clearly understood that there'd been a breakthrough on the square foot amount that it was going to reflect the amount of Donegal County Council who are ministering the scheme right now are saying with the real cost of rebuilding homes is 150 euro per square foot so we understood it was going to be very close to that and there would be enough on the table for families to have breathing space to to give this a chance to work and to try to rebuild their lives after you know obviously the last six months has been devastating for all of us and that's what we understood and then the leaks come out on Twitter about this is going to be 145 euro for the first of 1,000 square foot and then 110 then 100 and then when you did the calculations and it dawned on you just that this is going to be tens of thousands a euro so apparently minister O'Brien was on your show earlier and gave a commitment on this he needs to urgently remove the sliding scales they have no reflection to any reality out there in the building sector quantity surveyors engineers have contacted me they said were the hell has come out of this is a department of housing invention it popped up in the working group negotiations that the families were involved in it was an attempt to minimize the 100 percent to reduce the 100 percent and apparently it had been resisted and obviously at the 11th hour they got their way and the two ministers obviously Daryl Brown and our own minister Charlie McConnel are going to get rid of this sliding scale urgently and make it fair and manageable for our families both of them said today that once the re-evaluation takes place in February that it will be done in such a way and even the housing ministry if I heard him correctly I have to listen back said that they might recommend that a thousand square foot and then sliding from there needs to be adjusted it could be 15 it could be above that but he says that he's confident he believes that no homework the majority of homeowners will not be out of pocket once this re-evaluation which will account for demolition as well takes place in February that's the commitment he's given he's on the record of saying that well what I'll say is this the society of charter surveyors of Ireland that's the benchmark that is used for costing buildings of homes and right now that says 138 euro per square foot in Donegal that's across the board there's no scale that's what it is right now that's out of date that's accepted that it's out of date and that will increase now in the near future Donegal County council are actually dealing with the prices right now with families and I can tell you it's north of 150 euro unfortunately that's where it's gone and it's growing all the time the cost of materials and labour so this is very very simple the sliding scale has no place in reality he needs to get rid of it now immediately but what I can get my head around is what is the function of the sliding scale with a 420 000 euro cap already in place and an assurance from two ministers today that no one will be out of pocket that this is a 100% redress scheme and I'm still struggling at 10 minutes past 11 then to determine what the function of the sliding scale is well in my opinion this was senior department of housing officials that introduced the notion of a scale during the work group negotiations it was an attempt to reduce as is always the case for some of these senior civil servants to reduce the exposure of the state to minimise the cost of the state and to not deliver a 100% redress and the families have spoken about that extensively so this was an agenda it has no relationship to reality and I'm going to say it again quantity surveyors engineers charter surveyors nobody has a clue where this comes out of this is all about denying 100% so what the ministers need to do is scrap it immediately now I can tell you Greg and you probably would have looked over this memo you can actually see that they're building so even if the SCSI as they will increases the amount per square foot projection for the Northwest now come early next year they're still going to maintain the slide and scale so it's a distortion of what the real cost is now this is an our point Greg just want to make briefly this is a really critical point the housing agency manage the pirate resolution scheme over 2000 families in Dublin and North Lancaster have availed of that scheme totally managed by the housing agency what do they do they deal with the applications of testing the prognosis they deal with the contractors negotiating tendering they deal with getting rental accommodation sorted out it's completely taken care of you if you live in Dublin and North Lancaster God help you in Donegal because you're left to fend for yourself you're given a reduced amount of money go out and get a deal it can't be done and you can't get 100% redress it's impossible it's cruel Greg the housing agency needs to take over the scheme in Donegal from start to finish take it over get a good deal with the taxpayer if they can but don't abandon families to this cruel game playing that they've been at Deputy Joe McHugh Chair of the Rock to see you affairs committee you said this was a battle between elected government and non-elected government you said this was like a litmus test for democracy who won the permanent government the elected government democracy well it's it's not over so I don't know it's not a game I know you know from listening to your own contributors there this morning Greg like how serious this is so we all we all have a job job to do here in terms of rolling our sleeves up but I know Parik and his colleagues will continue to do that but look yesterday yesterday morning as Parik pointed out was a good day it was supposed to be a happy day overall the scheme is including a lot and it's an in the hand scheme but this one particular element this slide and scale could you sign off could you sign off it as could you sign off on it as it is no I couldn't because there's no logic to it I don't know where it came from I'm still trying to find out who tried to introduce it didn't form part of the conversation with the microgroup yes there was some reference to a split scale that the the housing agency was proposing and they make a group outright rejected so like I don't know there was you know a conversation about there this morning the slide and scale doesn't make any sense it makes a sense obviously from a curtailing financial point of view from a department point of view so so we need to we need to change that so how could your colleagues sit around the cabinet table yesterday and all of them sign off on this then well look you're talking about a 2.2 billion euro scheme I mean two years ago we didn't have a penny office scheme it went from zero to 1.4 billion the 1.4 billion scheme didn't work obviously you present the cabinet with 2.2 billion scheme the biggest ever in the history of the state and including accommodation costs including storage costs reducing the upfront fees and all that for engineers so obviously it merits and then and then you see a figure of 145 euro per square foot and then the media at the weekend it was announced it was going to be 138 so you see you see all the headline figures and you see yes this is good and this is going to work but the the sliding scale was left of center I don't know where it came from you say it's not over yet are you calling on your your government colleague Dara O'Brien to come out today and clarify this scrap it well look I spoke to him this morning I was in touch with him late last night spoke to me other government colleague and Dara Cleary from Mayo and he gave the scheme a cost she's welcome like me but he has he has a concern around the sliding scale do you think Dara O'Brien understands the concern because in my conversation with him earlier I felt almost stupid for asking the question he doesn't see any problem with this sliding scale and he does not see it meaning that homeowners have to put their hands in their own pockets so do you think the housing minister doesn't understand housing no I don't and I do understand or I think he don't I do know that he understands the problem with us I think what he was trying to do in the show this morning and fairness it was such a big scheme and he like any minister he wants to get the other elements of it out there but that is the one the one issue that we have here but he he is the minister right he should have squared off against the civil servants that propose this you know that interview would have had a and I said it to him and to be fair that interview would have had a completely different tone to it but he is the housing minister right and it is he that allowed this inclusion to scupper this to change the entire tone of this conversation so he's not a victim in this he's the man that's responsible for it and very handsomely rewarded for making these decisions yeah look I think look we can have a a big chat about process and when you consider last Thursday there seemed to be an agreement between officials and the make a grip last Thursday Friday and then at the weekend there seemed to be some changes so you know who interfered in the process there 138 euro square meter all day Monday and then Monday night this new thing came in so last minute at the 11th hour so that's no way of doing business ministers are their backs are up against the wall they're trying to get a scheme across the line they're trying to make it work obviously there's issues around leaking stuff and maybe this is why it has to be done the last minute but look there's a willingness within government and I certainly have found in the last three weeks to try to get this right unfortunately yesterday if it was 145 across the board last night we would have been in a different place today but look I still think we we we owed to all those people who were trying to prepare for Christmas have spent 10 years they can't wait till February so when does the minister have to clarify this what are you calling on him to do today I think to offer some clarity in the next few days to see how we can assure people that that what he said on your radio this morning that they won't be out of pocket the scheme will be a follow-on for them are you calling for the sliding scale to be removed and for the minister to make that decision and make that announcement yeah I think I don't think that's sliding scale there's there's any logic to it to be honest and I think they have to look at it yeah what's your approach to this now Deputy McLaughlin in in Dall-Aaron I mean obviously is there opportunities there to progress the conversation in in that platform yeah I mean obviously myself Pier Starherty Thomas Pringle vigorously challenged a tee-shock yesterday again and again now he had been standing over the slide and scale I don't think he understood it to be quite honest with you I appealed directly in a debate with Minister Charlie McConnlog and privately afterwards that this has to go where the hell did this come from you know like we didn't want to be in the place yesterday the what we wanted to be and doing yesterday was congratulating the campaigners who put their heart and soul into this inspired people all across the country this is going to be a day of of joy of of of breathing space for our people that's where I wanted to be yesterday I didn't want to be at this yeah so so but just just to be clear 145 euro for the first thousand foot then 110 euro for the next thousand foot and 100 euro off that it's very simple you get a calculator it's 65 000 euro short for the average family can you explain to me and I'll put this question to you and I'll put it to someone else Stephanie McLaughlin if I if I go to a contractor right and I ask for a key in the door build okay I don't get a per square I don't think I get a per square costing broken down as the way we are here now I get a key in the door price okay is it not a case that we can price these properties in that fashion and average that out you know and if it's somewhere in between the higher rate and the the secondary rate of the sliding scale we can get there in other words like is this scheme actually workable post-February if it were explained in an understandable workable fashion it's it's really this is very pertinent question Greg it's really straightforward the industry standard is a square foot blanket rate yeah so so so so so the the they've kept talking yesterday about the SESI which is the Society of Charter Surveys of Ireland and they are the people that's the standard in terms of what costs should be in a region for building costs that's the benchmark right and and and but we can now update that to Dunnegal County Council dealing with a scheme it's a blanket 150 000 on average now there are prices coming in north of that Greg right now across Dunnegal I was speaking to an engineer last night 160 to 180 Euro per square foot so it's north of 150 but people were willing to live with 145 which actually wouldn't and being all the way that they needed to be but they just desperately want to have a scheme they can work with so so it's very straightforward the sliding scale is a nonsense it's about it's about denying 100% redress it's about trying to put the blame on the families the other thing Greg and I really need to make this point strongly there's been disgraceful leaking and you're a long-standing journalist you know how this works they put out a 420 000 Euro look at all those ungrateful crowd in Dunnegal 420 000 2.2 billion cost of the scheme how's that costed they said 3.2 billion in the working group now it's 2.2 billion nonsense this is all making up numbers well I think the national media have a responsibility to see for that as well and not carry it not carry especially ones that are funded by the taxpayer to carry it as a great news 420 cap and not using some of their resources to actually reflect the reality for the people so there's a leaking issue there is a reporting issue and one would hope it's not the case that those two groups of individuals sometimes work hand in hand you wouldn't have to be a great stink to feel that that's what's happened over the last couple of days and Dunnegal and Mayo and other counties were chucked under the boss yeah I think you've summarised it very well I've been disgusted disgusted in recent days that what you have families who poured their hearts out who are victims they're victims of light touch regulation self-regulation no regulation that was going on for decades decades and they were victims right and they poured their hearts out their lives have been destroyed and that they would cynically cynically leak and manipulate headlines and misrepresent what has actually happened but I think now the families the families now have got a hold of this again and Joe you know I would appeal to yourself for the influence you have on government they need to get rid of this slide and scale give the families justice so we can all you know have breathe and space and start to rebuild our lives and Dunnegal you said you know like if you find out who come up with the slide and scale you know when was it inserted and where did it come from I mean it would be interesting for you to make that information public obviously you know people are texting in and it's really not important in the wider scale of things that might be personal you said that you know you couldn't see your future necessarily within Finnegal if this wasn't a a good deal I presume the answer is the jury's still out in that regard you believe we're still in a process you're not at the point where you might feel you have to make that decision yeah it's not the end of the road it's not the end game and that's to try to give about a hope to people as well that we can still try to turn this around I believe we can I honestly do believe there's a willingness there and fairness to Dara Brown like he does make himself accessible like he not just to the maker group but he well I couldn't get an interview with him well it's from a working point of view so I mean I don't know what the situation is that they seem to do national interviews but not with opposition opposition an awful lot of the time but I could get a word with him well look as I say well I'm tiny I don't know when I'm not important like I'm not I'm not I don't want I'm not giving out I'm just saying no I think I think Highland Radio is a bit more than that and fairness Greg Highland Radio is the voice that people listen to in Dunnegal for their news every day that's if you want to speak to the people of Dunnegal you can want to Highland Radio when he needs to come on when he's asked you know what he did today in fairness to him definitely make you sorry to finish your point yeah I love just I made the point okay within within government circles and and just also like Lee of Rack here in Pascal Dunnegal who like in fairness they've been they've been they know how important this and how serious this is so we just in fairness if this gets resolved there's so much there is a lot of positivity I hope we can all come back together and talk about the positives of this you know be it in oppositional be it in government or whatever that it's about the people and if we can get to a place that the majority of them are happy let's reconvene and we can talk about all the other positive elements of it you know what I mean in fairness is what I'm trying to get at but for now thank you very much for joining us Joe McHugh and also Padraig McLaughlin okay back after the break actually you know what if you're watching us still just to change the mood a little bit have a look at your screen there there you can see a draw drum 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what's happening today yeah so today i'm like the same thing happened yesterday let me try this again all right we'll go to you finula maybe i'll start with you finula rather you just don't like that mic here i i thought it was just Michael you kept doing that too when he was in it will work it will work tap it there for me Sean no okay i'll get it sorted in a second oh try the cable in the town yeah actually there you go speak now Sean can you hear me no take a quick break and we'll sort this out and then we can focus on it if you want to if you want to do that i'm going to take this very quick break because it's very exciting though that people are not excited but what i want everyone listening out there to do is you see the last 40 seconds i want you to blank it from your mind erase it erase it and we're going to start afresh in just a couple of minutes today's 9 till noon show is brought to you in association with ulster tires get your tires winter ready drop in to ulster tires in 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year tesco's christmas home delivery and free click and collect slots are now open to book this christmas nothing stopping us so give yourself a little help this year and book yours today at tesco dot ie book early slots will be going faster than well santa sleigh and christmas eve tesco every little helps okay you're very welcome back to the night till noon show right it is big draw time we're about to give 2 000 euro away delighted to welcome into studio uh our sales manager who is shawn queen hi shawn good morning greg it's good to have you with us first time i've spoken you today it is and i and i didn't touch anything this time so not my fault i don't know what you're talking about we talked about forgetting that happened oh that's right finula rabbit how are you always good good to have you with us smooth right okay tell us what's happening today shawn so it's brilliant we're excited here because we're going to give one lucky listener uh 2 000 euros as part of our big mega draw for christmas uh we've got the draw before the big draw so some lucky person the next few minutes is going to be 2 000 euros richer in time for christmas yeah and this was uh an extra little prize that was added for the month of november uh a sort of almost like an early bird special uh the person who wins this 2 000 euro their name still goes back into the draw drum and although in terms of odds it's unlikely they could come out and win the car it's not impossible either but two grand's too grand isn't it two grand will look after a lot of christmas and uh yeah they'll go back into the draw and if they're really lucky they will come out twice right talk to us about the principal prize because it's a beautiful key at exceed it's worth almost 30 grand and uh it's an association with our friends at eye motors it's a cracker isn't it it's a beautiful car we we were up last week i actually took a video of it and uh it's so well finished it's it's got everything that you need in a a modern car um the person that wins it will not be disappointed it's is a seriously good looking car this is the similar one is in l is in the letter candy shopping center if anybody's in there and they see see the car when they're walking past that this is that's not the exact one but that's the similar one is as to what we're giving away now and it is it is beautiful and um it's a cracking prize um when should we do the draw because i'm kind of excited we've lots to discuss as well right uh but i kind of want to get a name out here and get a number and feel like are you going to do the honors for us yeah i think show me well someone has to spin the thing because it's heavy excellent right okay it has already been spun so this is like bonus on camera exactly plus i want everybody on facebook to be able to see my lovely new trombola it's very excited it's the things you'd be proud of uh show on your up there now are you gonna go on i'll open it up okay right okay so finna is digging deep she's facing away and she's picked out one uh number and that number is one yep that's it one four five three no yeah one four five three one four five three okay if you could take your seats again and uh we'll see if we can get in contact with that person so one four five three but the the big draw obviously finna it's still very much in play we're getting that person contacting them that number will go back in but everyone in that draw drum can win this big prize and anyone who goes onto our website and we'll talk about that at the moment can still get their name in there that's uh all very exciting and it's still running for another three weeks people still have a chance to enter yeah absolutely people still have a chance to enter and um like as most people know by now the draw the main draw itself is going to be held on thursday the 23rd on your show for the car but we also um here at highland we want to make sure that everybody or as many people as we can have an amazing christmas so we've decided that we're going to continue with the tradition that we had last year and include the um thousand euro giveaway on each of the five prime time shows that we have so there'll be a thousand euros given away on rory's show in the morning your show as well as the car i get another thousand you get another time fair i i'm so good to you no i don't care if it's me if it's one of the people that listen to the show yeah that'll do me okay so we have that for you then um jb john breson will be doing it on his or on the northwest david and then finally on um ivan show in the evening so it's very exciting now that we're delighted to be able to add the these cash prizes to it i know it went down really well with people last year and we want to make sure that we uh you know continue the tradition with it our main focus this year now is to try and help people make this as happy and as pleasant and as exciting and christmas as we can we've we've a lot of big plans for that week as i'm calling it the christmas week one day the 20th until friday the 24th obviously your own show and lots of other things are going on exciting things and just to ease us into into christmas as well obviously listen we'll cover all the stuff we need to but i think that week's going to be like that for a lot of people from you know because it's christmas is at the end of the week and people are going to sort of i think so and i think that's but that's also a good thing to do because you know it's been a long kind of a two years and we're finally coming out the other end of this and things are improving for people as individuals and things are improving for businesses and for the county as a whole for a lot of people they're seeing um a brighter point and looking forward to 2022 and holidays and all different kind of things coming around again so we want to be part of that excitement and interest and uh try and do as much kind of giveaways as we can and just have as much music and fun and entertainment as as as possible during that week that's that's what what's what we want to focus on we don't want to be talking about you know what we want to be through this with everyone and get on with our lives okay so we have a car worth almost 30 grand beautiful white fully loaded the key is have great technology in fairness they've been uh leaders in that regard um in terms of lanes and collisions and all that kind of malarkey uh that is up for grabs we've got another five grand which has just been added to this uh the five prime time shows as described by finula uh will a thousand year old be given away on each of those shows on the 23rd of december as well as the car shone remind us how people enter this uh competition yes sir it's very simple they go on to highlandradio.com they click on the car image and they just go through the process and they've got a simple question they have to ask of course or answer um so they can go through that but it's very simple highlandradio.com and click on the car image to enter the draw and tickets are at a maximum 10 euro uh put the more the buy that the buy the more you say you can get six for 50 and 10 for 80 and they can be individualized for christmas boxes and stuff can't they absolutely so this you can actually put um individual names onto them as well and you can send the ticket onto them via email or you can you can print it out and you can send them via post so if you're doing that obviously we would advise that you uh you enter early yeah okay uh right now ticket number one four five three that belongs to a listener in remelton uh more specifically grove hall and his name is michael callahan congratulations beep beep beep wow okay that's beeping michael is not on that line we'll try and get him back but i've supported now michael callahan you have won the two grand we're gonna see if we can get you back through uh in case there's other michael callahan's listening this is in a grove hall in remelton his 2000 euro better off nice money if you can get it and he did oh fantastic we're a delighted firm i hope he spends it foolishly that's exactly on himself yes on himself well okay maybe extended to his family slightly but don't go don't go too crazy buy something you really want i always think money money won no more than when you win the three euros on the lotto should be spent on something that you like be it a even a nice bar chocolate or something lovely so it should be right okay so that's it we can maybe recap though we've got all the matters to get to i want to talk about the colouring competition it's back it's being launched again now is this it the launch this is the launch of the colouring competition we've been in contact with the can i just hold you for a second yeah sorry michael good morning to you no we'll uh we'll not persist with that there's a problem with it right carry on for no you're in full flow no no that's all right i'd be loved to talk to michael but anyways this is the new colouring competition that we're doing a it has we had an unbelievable amount of yeah we had an unbelievable amount of entries last year's colouring competition trying to pick the winners ended up trying are you the snow man then and that's it yeah my nose is far bigger than that greg and david james isn't on it well maybe he's reindeer the reindeer singing so that would be david he's got the microphone but no we're very excited about it this year again because as i said last year we uh earlier in the year when we had the last colouring competition we got a fantastic response to it i i think we got like a couple of thousand entries into it it was just it took us forever and there was many arguments and rouse between enjoyable though yes it was the hardest thing was it was just so many and they were all so brilliant the whole floor upstairs was actually covered yeah in colour yeah and just trying to and trying to pick it so we decided then that we would go ahead and do it again this year so we have our picture up online and you can avail of it through our website so if you go to hollandradio.com and you can download it we're hoping it once again the schools very kindly got involved and they had classes doing it and that kind of thing you have to have your entry into us before monday the 20th and we are hoping then that if we cannot end up fighting with each other again that we will i know it's just because everybody felt so passionate about the one they taught should win it we actually ended up adding extra prizes it was so good last year so what we've done this year is we have a load of prizes for people different kind of colouring and sweets and crayons and christmasy stuff and what we're going to do is do the same thing again entries in by monday the 20th and we will be picking the winners then on the announcing the winners on either thursday or christmas eve as i said depending on the level of entries yeah categories what's the story so we've got uh under fives um under nines and under 13 i might be with the chance if i entered the under fives well i think if i go on to nines or under 13s we reckon you'd be struggling under 13s that gets to a different level for you greg yeah just one thing just uh before we move on there is just a thanks to jarla who designed the cartoon it's a beautiful picture it is and you know what it's challenging to which i know younger people particularly like a bit of thought yeah will be required and i will try it myself now just to see if i can maybe get into it should we do what about if we get four or five staff to do and that let's just decide who wins oh we could totally do that yeah all right i am so competitive i have say i am a brilliant color i can't beat you a gold but i'll have a goat coloring uh michael are you there yes congratulations your two thousand euro better off is that greg it's greg here she's just trying to bring a young man you must be young are you i don't know are you asking me out on a date with your two grand number one four five three that was yours michael you've collected two grand well done to you um and you're back in to win the car as well we're actually do you know what we might do is actually put the number back in live on air here now so we know it's being done and michael do you know what you're going to spend the money on what are we not going to spend it on oh whatever you want and come here are you a lucky person or is this one of your first times winning or what's the story uh one a few small bits of money in there nothing this would be one of the biggest one of the biggest brilliant well congratulations to you and a really happy christmas michael but then we're a great pound of highland radio anymore a great fund across the road and also lovely many thanks again lovely here for me and that is great god bless you michael michael callahan grove all remelton right guys that's uh it thank you so much we'll be reminding people i'm sure you'll be coming in for another visit anything else before we wrap up sure yeah just before you just before you go just to tune in next week uh we will be launching also our listeners christmas giveaway which is our hampers uh or donnell's fuels uh always give us 500 euro of oil voucher which is brilliant at this time here joe mcgee's butchers i've come in again this year with a meat hamper it was a gold one kelly's center across the road will have a christmas deluxe hamper and finally the chamber of commerce are giving 200 euros of voucher for shop out and you're not going to tell us how to win that yet yeah we'll tell you more next week we'll give you more information we'll launch it next week and we do it every year and it's fantastic so we've got that there we've got the car uh michael's back in for the car get your tickets on the website now um and also a 5000 on the 23rd as well across the shows and the colouring competition we might talk about the colouring competition again on friday the colouring competition is just like you know under fives the categories are under five under nine under 13 so it covers anybody and we've got consensus on this yet yeah no we agree we agreed one and then we changed i i i came up with something for nula then i am returning i want to include everybody all the national school kids and if the if anybody else or the older people would like to send us in who'll make christmas cards we will accept them and you never know we may end up finding i was gonna ask you know for because we're gonna have a christmas three theme throughout the christmas week leading up to christmas and i was going to ask people to knit jumpers right now i'd wear the jumpers and stuff but then i thought it's too much to ask but i thought it would it's an awful lot it's so hard to knit them and i've made a couple of iron jumpers for men your arms are too long yeah well it just takes ages i could i could i've got a t-shirt a woolen t-shirt but anyway listen come here thanks so much both of you for joining us you can go on our website and you can enter our colouring competition our car competition and shone's only teasing us with the fantastic christmas uh bumper giveaway there we'll probably have we got a name for it yet we'll do something like that next year annual bumper giveaway bumper giveaway all right we'll call it back with kieran after the break today's nine till noon show is brought to you in association with ulster tires are your tires ready for winter call into ulster tires in letter kenny and balibuffa today something exciting is happening at dun stores the dun stores christmas millionaire draw is now on with winners in every store every week for our grand prize one lucky shopper will become our dun stores christmas millionaire winning one million value club card points that you're shopping for the whole year worth 10 000 euro simply come in store and swipe your value club cards to enter swipe and win today with the dun stores christmas millionaire draw terms and conditions apply see dunstores.com hello there daniel here with great news from diverse hyunday hyunday have decided to subsidize the two and a half thousand euro grant recently discontinued by the government on the hyunday two sin club in hybrid prices remain the same as last month and so to avail of this fantastic offer simply book your car before the end of the year when you can also choose from the 3.9 percent finance package or five years free servicing your local dealer is diverse hyunday canal road letter kenny call 9122600 under the one sky we share life experiences love and loss and joy and pain and grief is a natural response to loss it helps so much to talk to reminisce to reflect irish hospice foundation bereavement support line is open for all of us who are grieving free phone 1800 80 70 77 to talk to someone in confidence and for a shoulder to lean on it's the right price tiles and wood flooring 70 percent off sale get up to 70 percent off on 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had more time but we have time we've a few good few minutes board appointment uh for a donnie goll woman in china yes letter kenny woman katriona jennings has been appointed onto the board of directors of the irish chamber of commerce in hong kong katriona is a vp risk with an international aircraft leasing company and has responsibility for covering airlines based in apac so the former olympian will be leading the chamber's new aviation walking group nice one fair play uh right skill shortages amongst irish uh companies what's going on here yeah 91 percent of irish based employers have experienced recruitment challenges in the past 12 months that's according to recruiting experts haze ireland so a total of 50 percent of irish based employers claim ongoing skill shortages have had a negative impact on organizational productivity 39 say it has undermined their ability to deliver key projects while 30 claim it has stalled their plans for expansion so one of five employers suggest recruitment challenges were impacting their profitability and revenues uh this research was published as part of the haze ireland salary and recruiting trends get 2022 and surveyed a total of 1500 airspace employers and employees uh in early september and this is not insignificant when companies are looking where to locate because this is the type of date that they look at so hopefully we have uh uh the simon who's the simon harris isn't and the others looking at this right local firms doing well uh uh in getting to the finals of a major award yeah a very positive story here great two little kidney businesses have been named among the sfa national small business awards 2022 finalists that were announced earlier this year this week's right kenninger brewery is one of the six finalists in the food and drink category sponsored by board bia while verve boutique has made the shortlist and the retail category sponsored by one for all so the aim of the awards is to celebrate the achievements of small businesses in ireland and to recognize the vital contribution of the small business sector to industry so a total 47 companies from 12 different counties across 10 categories made the finals finals this year all right and that news for the uh as it relates to the trading online voucher yeah that's just a point of information the next trading online voucher workshop will take place on wednesday next december the eighth from 9 30 a.m to 11 a.m so it's compulsory to attend a trading online information session if a business wants to apply for a trading online voucher and the trading online vouchers uh are quite useful they're grants of up to two and a half thousand euro to assist businesses to develop online sales right the podcast is available uh right now it'll be broadcast on sunday tell us what's coming up yes on this week's business matters i'll be talking to the head of business faculty at lirikini it michael margie and the co-owner of dunagall dpd's depot mary afford so it's been a busy time for the lyit as it gears up for the change to university status in 2022 and as of april next year lyit will become part of the atlantic technological university and michael margie says atlantic is an excellent name choice for the amalgamation of lyit gmat and it's legal it's fantastic it's a super brand named atlantic atlantic technological university um and i think a lot of people are going to be very you know uh happy with that brand name proud of it in some way too because it's an acknowledgement of all the hard work by everybody all right michael there and uh the second uh guest you mentioned yeah mary four has been running the dunagall dpd depot with her husband jared since 2005 having taken over the business from her uncle charlie mcdade so it's been hectic 21 months at depot 36 under the kenny which has increased as drivers from 18 to 34 found the onset of the pandemic last year so mary attributes the success of her business to her loyal and hard working staff yeah and in this context hectic in a good way for the business yeah as i say the the staff been been just they're extraordinary most of them are with us some of us as i say the liquor jared and michael michael is 20 odd years done jared is 16 and um the liquor benny and them all have 12 14 years benny keith uh great years of service great loyalty which is fantastic to have that and then again of course the experienced heads in for the newer people coming in they can guide them to the best of their ability and um our staff are really there the wheels that that keep the whole thing turning really just listen to you explain what happens here it's very much against the clock mirror all the time and it's also a very personal business isn't it oh it certainly is yeah because when again nowadays the the customer really want to know what time roughly they're going to get a parcel or exactly today's partner could be that as well cure but we try our best to be fairly close to that hour we give an hour window and most of the time unless there's a breakdown or something on toward could happen we would normally be within that hour anyway to come with the delivery to your door showing your true colors with that question you diva you kiran uh i want it now well i'm speaking for someone with children and they certainly want that now and i'm sure there are many people listening to the show this morning greg wanted now as well no problem i'm sure right more from michael margie and mary fold in full uh in uh this week's podcast available on our website highland radio dot com and on spotify and itunes and it's broadcast on sunday kiran yeah after the six o'clock news on sunday evening and if anyone wants to get in touch with you yeah drop an email please buzzersbatters at highland radio dot com thank you kiran and thanks so much for uh giving over a bit if your time too and what was a very busy day it's very much appreciated we'll be back with you uh tomorrow morning at nine