 Hello and welcome to another episode of I Have Notes. This is the show where people with a surprisingly large IMDb playlist, playlist page, talk about, you know, the arts. We talk about creativity. Sometimes we talk about, oh, I don't know, TikToks we've seen. I'm Carrie Shockross with me is my lovely co-host. Lovely co-host. Yeah. Yeah. And joining us are Erin and Jordan yet again. Hello. Howdy, howdy. Hey. Hey. We haven't kicked you out yet, but you're also not allowed to be co-hosts. I mean, I'm already being, I'm on my way out. Oh yeah. For the video watchers. I'm in the process of moving. You look, you look like, I guess I know now, but you look like you're either moving in or moving out. Moving out. You look, I mean, it's still, I like your wreath. Thanks. It's not a wreath. It's a mirror. I like, I like your wreath. Mary. It likes you too. Thank you. It's what, oh, it's what I've decided it is now. Sometimes you have to just decide that, hey, this is what I wanted to be. And now it's a fucking wreath. You have to commit. Hey, y'all, I didn't, I couldn't fall asleep last night. So today is, today's a weird day. Oh, no. I have been sleeping great. Wow. I don't know why. Fuck yourself. That was me. Why couldn't you sleep, Carrie? Uh, well, I mean, the real answer, okay, there's two answers. The the real answer is boy, do you need to take your ADHD medication earlier than 11 o'clock in the morning? In the morning, in the morning. Okay. Um. Yeah. No, no, no. God, no, no, no. This in college. But the other answer is like I was like tired at like 11 30 at night and I was like, I could probably fall asleep. Let me let me play a video game for just a little bit. And then I did like two hours. Nope. That's the opposite of like training your brain to fall asleep. That's like now what you're supposed to do. Part of my ritual. My ritual now is I turn off all screens at 11 30 midnight ish and then I'll draw for like in my sketchbook for about an hour or two. And that helps me like wind down. Gotta get rid of that blue light. What time do you wake up? What time do I wake up? Yeah. Hopefully before work. Nice. Nice. I aim for nine. It usually ends up being like 9 30. Yeah. Yeah. No, I live dangerously. Even even when we were going into the studio. That was that was Aaron's life. That's the benefit of where I'm living right now. I live like five minutes away. So don't come find me. I Jordan. I'm gonna I'm gonna like I woke up at 9 50 and rolled over in my bed and joined my 10 o'clock meeting. Yeah. I'm a night person. Like I tried to switch so much. But every time it's like 10 o'clock comes around. I'm like, oh, I'm I'm feeling creative or productive now. I have found that sleeping in kind of triggers migraines for me, which I think is weird. But I mean, I just solve it by waking up at seven. Feeling tired and just wake up. I just choose not to be tired. I also like I feel like it's a body rhythm thing to where like I don't set an alarm. I just like naturally wake up at that time. And it's like at the end of a REM cycle. So going back to sleep and then like sleeping for 45 minutes would just make me sleepier. So it's every every just wake up every fucking morning. I have a conversation with myself where I say, Carrie, you woke up at 7 30. Just get up. Just wake up. There you go. And Jordan need to do I don't and it's been months since I did. And every time I go to sleep for another like 45 to an hour. And then I feel like garbage. Oh my God. I'm sorry. I'm like, I'm salty at myself today. Yeah. I mean, I don't know what else to tell you other than listen to yourself, Gary. I'm stupid. Sorry, I got off on like a pseudo aggressive tangent. I definitely the blue light thing is very, very true. And I continue to get okay. Hey, I have notes on your turn to switch. Oh, okay. Hey, hey, y'all, I need that that that warm light mode on my Nintendo switch. That's true. I would like even even like let's say I cut off at 11 30. I'm gonna play up until that point. So let me let my eyes get adjusted. I don't want to look interesting. Oh, maybe I have like a red gel I could use like put over just put it over here. See, I was just thinking right now. Can they can they like add that feature with a there you go. Can they add that feature with a patch but I think it might be a hardware problem. Yeah, like, do they have like the lights? That's a good question. Unless into the switch, or is it just the thing of like shifting like the pixels like, you know, the hue of the individual pixels. I think it's just that because it's you know, any computer can get like flux on it. Yeah. And then my second thing, which is going to be put some red goo over it or whatever. Oh, well, hey, I got that red goo. I'm like, like one of those like zero box toys that's like has the hidden mystery. You're one half of three. Yeah. I got a blue one. Don't you worry. Hey, dog, I got you. Put them in your glasses. Do it. Hey, you know what this looks like? Shit. I can't see. Well, hey, I like this routine that we started. How is everybody's how's everybody's week? I keep adjusting my light. I'm sorry. Oh, he said that's distracting. No, I'm sorry. I don't know. I'm an amateur. Tell the light to stop. Yeah, he said goes first. I was going to say because Kerry started about how you couldn't sleep and I was just thinking earlier today how I was like, man, I feel like I always come in and I have some kind of weight on my shoulders and it's like, you guys always see me at my worst or something. Hey, this is this is your time. Thanks, Kerry. Okay, but today I think I kind of like explained to me where I was like, you know how you feel like you're on top of things and you are so productive for three days and then you realize you don't want responsibilities for the next seven days. And it's never even, you know, that's where I'm at. I'm like at the first of seven days and I was like so productive for like the first five hours today. And then I kind of just hit this wall where I was like, I wonder if it's that time of the month for me or if I'm hungry or there's so many different things where I'm kind of just like, why do I suddenly feel like I don't want to work anymore, I guess. I mean, I don't go about it. I don't have a that time of the month, but I also have that feeling. So at least on that side. Yeah. So that's me. That's I mean, I get in that to where it's like, you get like over a hump or something and it's like, yes. And then it's like, oh, other responsibilities, but I just put so much time and effort into this thing. Now I don't really feel like giving that same to this. Can I take breaks? Yeah. Take a day off or something. What does Maggie say every day in Scrum? You have to check your mental health and your body health, etc. Yes. Your physical and mental well-being. Yes. I'm thinking about it. I was like, I talked about it, but it was like, maybe I'll just, I'll just take it easy tomorrow. It's fine. I've been playing Tetris 99. Hey, Issa, who's gonna know? Who's gonna know if you take some time off? I'm not. We can cut this part out, but I'm just saying. Now, be responsible. Hey, Issa, don't joke around about that. Yeah. Yeah, Carrie, don't joke around about it. Yeah. I mean, if it makes you all feel better last week, usually Mondays through Wednesdays are my busiest week, days of the week, just because most of my meetings are in those three days. Wednesday, we have our art review for the art department. And definitely after that review, I was like, nope, I've hit my threshold for today. I run out of patience. I'm gonna take the rest of the day off and I did and it was lovely. Sometimes you go, hopefully, we're very fortunate in our works, letting us do stuff like that. But sometimes it takes, we actually, this is just kind of like a side tangent, but like, yeah, our art reviews shifted a lot for this volume. And actually, I do like it a lot, but it does put a lot of pressure on Wednesday. Basically, we went from having like two or three smaller art reviews throughout the week, which was hard to do because we wanted as much as possible to get all of the episode directors in them. So if we're talking about something in chapter five, well, maybe Connor's directing that episode, but it's an art asset that involves something in chapter six as well, which Paul is doing. And then I want to know about it because like I'm in charge of the show as a whole. So we want to have all of the directors there as much as possible, but it was hard to do. So we said, okay, well, we'll just have like a three hour long art review once a week. And it's working really well. Like we're able to get everybody in, like there's been very few times where we like couldn't get a director in. And you know, it seems like that and a couple of like Slack messages here and there, like the artists can keep moving. But I can totally understand Aaron, I feel like you're just like, I'm good y'all. That's a long meeting. Yeah, not because of like any particular person. No, no, no, no, no. This is a very long process. It is. Yeah, I mean, three hours of carefully reviewing a ton of assets. So my number one thing has always been working without a break is what like kills me. Yeah, like I could, you know, we're certainly not doing this anymore at all. But like, I've definitely found that having meetings back to back from like 10 to six, or it used to be like later, that was more stressful than me than working like 100 hour work weeks, like doing compositing just like by myself at a desk, you know, like, just because it's like you're like constantly moving from thing to thing to thing. And like when I was putting more energy into it, right versus like, huh, I'm going to take 10 minutes and go on a walk right now. Yeah. Yeah. Also, you're interacting with other people. So that's always draining for me anyways. Again, the very introverted person. I feel like I'm a very loud introverted person, but the more time with people I spend, like I definitely lose my energy fizzles out. Yeah, it burns up faster. Yeah. I feel like we are four introverted people that are in like an extroverted job. There was a discussion on that a while ago about how like the onus on creatives to be on social media is actually really, it's very, it's so fatiguing. Is that a word? Yeah. It is now. It requires so much energy and also the fact that it's like it is intrinsically where we are, what we are doing. It does involve a lot of people who do think inwardly or appreciate that kind of stuff because that's kind of what we have to do in order to do our jobs. But then you're also expected to perform. And that is a very outside thing as opposed to an inward thing. So it's like, I think that part of the discourse was like, hey, can people like be nice to creative people? It's a lot. It's a lot of changing. That would be amazing. Yeah. Just be nice guys. Yeah. It's always great when you like tweet something either personal or like something that just doesn't have to do with work. And then all the replies are like, this has nothing to do with your sole purpose on this earth, which is to create things for me. Yeah. So yeah, it's a struggle sometimes. I am also, I hate social media now. Like I feel very burned out on it and pessimistic, you know, and like social media does have its benefits. But yeah, at the same time, like having to almost like constantly remind the audience that you exist or like, you know, like the people who are following you, it's like, hey, I'm still here. Like it sucks because the things we work on take time to make. And so it's not like a live action or like weekly like series, you know, constantly that's coming out or like airing or something. So it's like, it's mostly behind the scene stuff. And then, you know, for 12, 16 weeks or whatever, here it is, and then back to working on it. So it's, you know, it's hard to like constantly remind everyone that you're here, I guess. Yeah, I've seen a lot of comments, like left on YouTube. A lot of them saying, oh my gosh, Carrie's still here. Carrie's alive. I'm like, who do you think has been working on the show for a whole freaking year? Yeah, it's a balance. Right now, we're, you know, we're, we're, we've started doing this, which has been, this is much more relaxed. There's not really, I'm sure as you, there's no way you could tell, but we don't really prep for this show. Yeah, you can't say that. But you know, we were, you know, I just, like, we just announced we're doing the talk curvy to me show. You know, we're working on volume mate, like there's a, this, the next two weeks, you're going to see tired Carrie. It's not even like, I'm not working extra hours. I'm just like, a lot, there's a lot. Mentally tired. But it's, it's about that district distribution of energy. Yeah. Yeah. It's all exciting. So it's like, it's this weird, like, I think it's like those last week where it's like, I, I'm very happy to be doing all of it. It just might take an extra couple red bulls to get there. Do we have a special guest? I'm trying to get her. She ran away. Oh, what a discipline. Oh man. That was such a ramp up. I can get up and chase her. Do we have rights to Benny Hill music? That happens all the time. Like I'll be downstairs and like be like, oh, hey, you want to get picked up? And then like the moment I'm about to like pick her up, she's like, no, she like kind of yells and runs and runs away. We always like pretend like, yeah, she's going, no, never. She turns into Jello. Yeah. So how they're even more like, score me when I pick them up. I've had a lot. I had to lock my cats away for these. I'm sorry. They're really good. They're either like sleeping or like they'll like walk around, but she was being vocal. So I thought she wanted to be picked up or something. Sometimes my cats, they'll start meowing when they hear me talking. So in a lot of my meetings, Oh, like I like just now heard that. Yeah, I heard that. Yeah, they'll start like meowing. And I think a week or two ago, one of the cats was about to throw up a hair ball. So like, don't want that on camera or anything. Or we could get a special camera just for that cat cam. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't be opposed to that. Hey, y'all want to talk about some animation stuff? Okay. Oh, never mind. Just kidding. Let's talk about the cat. Yeah. Please tell me their life story. This is Viola. What is her job at RT animation? She's an animator. She does. She does. She doesn't animate, but we just call her an animator. She ran away. I just saw two eyes. Oh, man. One of our other cat has started like, we have these like little cubbies that we got from like Target. So it's like a shelf. And like there's just little like fabric cubes that you put in. And they like scratching them and stuff, which is fine. It's like, it's they're a little old and we want to get rid of them. So we just let them have it. But one of them started hiding in it. So he like, there was like just enough space open. And he like crawled in and like, my wife was one day like, trying to like look for something in one of the cubes. And she's like, what is this? She looked in and all he saw like his like green eyes in the darkness. That's so cute. Jordan's all curled up in it. Having a black cat too. Like, how often do you find yourself like you like you leave a room and then a cat comes out from that same room that you're in and you're like, the cat was in there. Where the fuck did the cat come from? Oh my god, that's so funny. I mostly see dark like shapes or something be like, is that a cat? No, it's dirty laundry. Sweet paralysis demon. Yes, my nightmares. Dirty laundry is sleep paralysis demon. Same thing. Same thing. That's really funny. Hey, on the animation front, the Popeye movie maybe actually happening. Oh, hey, yeah, that's right. He says nervously and hoping maybe. Were you looking forward to it? I mean, I like I like Tartakovsky. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm not like a Popeye fan. Yeah. I mean, who is the people who like spinach? Yeah. I do like spinach. I don't know if I want to support big spinach. Big greens. I guess I guess what I'm saying is I don't mind Popeye. Like, yeah, but I'm not going out of my way to find that good Popeye content. Yes. But I do like, is it still, I'm looking at the article right now. Is it still Sony Pictures doing it? It's not. It's somebody else that hopefully is listening to the article. So it's King Features. So King Features, yeah. That one was interesting. I was looking them up as I was Googling the article and like all the sources and stuff like who's King Features. They're the ones who I believe own the license for Popeyes. Okay. Yeah. So they've been. Make sure you don't have that possessive S because Popeyes is something different. Sorry. Yeah, you're right. My bad. Don't want to confuse that. If there is a link, I might be more interested in Popeye because if they do like a spicy chicken sandwich promotion. With spinach. With spinach. Healthy chicken. Healthy chicken. It's just like one leaf. Yeah. And it's baby spinach instead of regular spinach. So has King Features done anything else? Did they do the live action Popeye movie with Robin Williams? Wait, there's a live action Popeye movie? Is that real? You guys have never seen that? No. It was like, I want to say it was like the 80s or something. It might have been Robin Williams' first uh feature but he played Popeye and I believe they gave him forearm prosthetics so that he could have the giant forearms. And you're telling me that? I thought you were going to say forearms. That definitely has held up, right? Like if you watch it now, you're just like wow, it's like Jurassic Park of how good it is. If I send a picture of this to Stab, can you can y'all put this up? Or if not, maybe we can do a post because I kind of need everyone to see this. Okay. Put it up in the chat. Bamp while I look this up. I know of that movie if only because I think I've watched a lot of video essays where they cover like Robin Williams' history and animation and this Popeye movie tends to be like the first foray that he has for animation adaptation. Okay, like the first thing connecting him to animation. Yeah. Uh so this is this is pre flubber. That's kind of how I uh how I track things is uh is PF and PF. Before flubber, after flubber? Yeah. No, it's very important to me that it's PF and PF. But you know, as I say, the second the PF a little bit different because that's a post. Cool. Yeah, makes sense. Very good. Yeah. So this came out in 1980. The Stone Age. I was it made $6 million on a budget of $20 million. Oh, sorry. That was $6 million. It's opening weekend. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. So we did. Oh yeah, this one. Okay. He says 1980. Yeah. Man, look at those prosthetics. It's Robin Williams and Shelley Duvall as olive oil. That perfect. Not directed by Stanley Kubrick. So with with inflation, look at this production company, King Features Entertainment was one of the production companies. Okay. With inflation, that's $18 million. That's still not great. No, that's kind of what I was trying to highlight there is that there's still a little bit of room. But I got nothing. I mean, like I think I think it could be good. So, so the most interesting thing besides Tartakovsky being the director because I'll watch anything he does. Pretty much. Yeah. But he had the there was like a test or a little teaser that they had released. Yeah, that really got me interested in it because like the animation style was awesome. And it really wasn't like anything he had like done in all of his 2D work. I think this was this came out before the Hotel Transylvania movies. You can kind of see some of that stuff in those movies. Talking about that compared to the test. But I feel like, I don't know, like those the character designs are like also like funny and lanky and like they really take advantage of that with like the way they animate them. So I just want to see it because I think it'll just be a fun like character animation. Yeah, I will say if you if you look at like the the still that's in this article or if you just look like this test, I don't know how well I'm going to do with his big forearm going into his hand. It does just look like a little chubby baby. He does look so I mean, it's just like boy, huh? Okay. Yeah. I mean, look, I can there's no tattoo. There's no tats scandal breaking news. Maybe this is the reason the thing from 2014 or the fuck doesn't have the tattoo on it. It's true. I wonder why he gets the tattoo and how that's a good that's censorship and I'm against that. Kerry, you said something and I'm going to be turned into a segue. So when you said you wouldn't go out of your way wasn't you carry or was it Jordan? Correct me if I'm wrong. It might have been Jordan. If it was smart, it was me. If it wasn't, it was Jordan. Oh, nice. Jordan is nothing real quick. Jordan is basically the same. Nothing to do with you. Just everything to do with your lack of self esteem. Yes. Yes. Yes. 100% 100% need constant validation constant. Someone said they weren't going to go out of their way to go and watch it just because it's Popeye. Scoop came out. Oh, this was you trying to segue. Yes, I mentioned. And I don't know if anyone else in this room really will deliberately go another way to watch Scooby-Doo content. No, not at all. Never. Hey, let me check real quick. Okay, it's 2020. No. Are the Harlem Globetrotters in it? That's the flow chart. Yes. I'll watch it. No, I won't. Hang on real quick. Positivity. Personally, I'm not interested in the Scooby-Doo story anymore as a near 40-year-old man. But I like Scooby-Doo. I liked Scooby-Doo growing up and the idea of a new generation of children knowing Scoob and their antics. That sounds great. I'm not against Scooby. I think it's okay to say something's not for you anymore. Yes, that's valid. Is that your point? I'm sorry. No, the Scoob movie is out. I watched it the first 20, 15, 20 minutes of it. How was that? That's all you could stomach? Positive. I stopped because I realized I had to work and not watch this movie. And so my other history with Scooby-Doo is I would watch it a lot when I was younger, but also on the other hand, I was also forced to watch it to an extent because I would watch Scooby-Doo because it was the only thing I liked watching when I was in my grandparents' house in the Philippines and you only had so many channels. And Cartoon Network during the daytime wasn't playing like premier cartoons. They were playing the good stuff. They were playing Scooby-Doo. Yeah, they were playing Scooby-Doo. And so I actually watched. And like bananas and pajamas and... Jordan, don't you ever talk shit about bananas and pajamas. I will break quarantine and come to your house. Just so he can also point and be like, why are you talking? Well, I didn't say anything bad about it. I'm just saying it's that type of stuff. You said it was not premium content. Issa said not. You're saying the Lord's name in vain. Bananas and pajamas. Sorry, I have a side tangent, but Issa, I want you to finish your story. I'm sorry. I had to scold Jordan. So I have a history of and I've also watched some of the other, one of the newer Scooby-Doo shows. And I genuinely thought it was really funny before I dropped because it was like, why do I watch cable television anymore? Hint, I don't. So I was 15, 20 minutes of the movie. And it was basically some of the exposition you saw how the kids met. And the movie was really centering on Shaggy and Scooby-Doo. And then they became adults. And fun fact, Simon Cowell makes an appearance in it. Only they don't cartoonize him. They legit make a 3D model that looks like Simon Cowell if he was in a video game and they mo-capped him. They 3D scanned him. Yeah. So you're saying he looked more realistic. Yes. Than the other character. Than the other character. Yeah. There's some screenshots of it floating around. It's wild. So it is wild. The whole premise of it is that Simon Cowell is their business partner. And he wants to invest in Mystery Inc. Because he believes that the gang has it. Only he will only invest if they get rid of Shaggy and Scooby-Doo because they're useless. So the premise now, I was like, oh, that's the point of this movie. It's kind of reiterating and reaffirming who Shaggy and Scooby-Doo are in this Scooby-Doo universe. Never mind the fact that the whole entire series is named after this darn dog. This meddling dog. This meddling dog. And I was like, okay, that's actually kind of an interesting meta, I guess, foray into kind of exploring why Shaggy and Scooby-Doo are part of this universe, even though it seems like Fred, Velma and Daphne are kind of the ones that everyone really remembers because they're always made out to be the attractive ones. I stopped then the movie and I was like, okay, maybe I'll pick this up later. But I just wanted to throw that out there. I was like, oh, and part of the reason why I want to bring it up was because there is some really interesting animation right at the intro of the movie. When right at this bat, young Scooby is stealing from a store because he's a stray dog. And so he's stealing meat because he's trying to survive. Because he's hard. Because he's a hard boy. You know, classic Scooby, he's a hard boy. Got a hard time. I don't know why that broke. She was thinking naughty things. That's not what I was. The animation at the beginning was very interesting. Super cartoony, what you would expect from like a Gendy Tart, how do you pronounce his name? Tart. Just say Tart and then Tarticansounds and then in with ski. Tartops. I'm sorry. Gendy Dexter's lab. What you'd expect from Gendy Dexter's lab, new movies. But I'm also wondering whether or not they, I thought it was interesting, but then I thought what really was like the movie that really made waves for a bigger audience for them to be more familiarized with a new way of animating since primarily it's always like this Pixar style or this Disney 3D style. And my first thought was, oh, the Lego movie. Sure. That's actually that's a that's a good like tracing it to its like deepest roots because my first reaction was into the Spider-Verse. Right. That's what I was gonna say. I was gonna say the Peanuts movie or Charlie Brown. Yeah, yeah. That's even like that's like almost almost 2D, but it's like most definitely 3D. Like you never see the characters from like the front. Yeah, they do like the Mickey Mouse thing with like the ears. Yeah. They're always the Goku hair. What would happen if if Mickey Mouse went Super Saiyan? Then, okay, I'm sorry. Is there a comic for that? There's probably a comic for that, though. Type in Mickey Mouse Super Saiyan. I'm sure it exists. Yeah. But add rule 34, please. No. Okay. Add rule. What? What a serious question. Why 34? What? What are rules one through 33? Is that your question? Yeah, there are. Yeah, there are rules. I just don't know what they are off the top of your head. Okay. You're asking the right two people. Yeah. Jordan, I'm always going to fuck it up at the fucking beginning of this thing. I was like, am I co? Oh, I saw that carry. I was just like, you know, listeners are going to be very confused for it. Oh, yeah. I'm stupid. That was that was a thing. That's the joke. It's funny. I saw something. This is kind of related to what we're talking about, but I saw something on, I think it was Reddit, the internet that I thought was a really interesting concept is remakes and remasters are very big right now. And, you know, a lot of people have different opinions of like, you know, whether we should be doing them or not. I'm typically, I'm a fan of them. But somebody brought up a good point is what if, what would be the thing you'd like to see remastered or remade, but not just remaking the property, but maybe remaking it from another character's point of view. So like an example of something kind of already like that, it wasn't a remake, is like the Ender's Game series. There's like books that are from Ender's perspective, but then there's books that are from like, in like Bean or whatever this character's name was. I think his name is Bean, right? Did you read the book? Bean or Bean? Bean, as in like tiny bean. Pinto. Okay. I think his name is Bean. Yeah, like even Stevens. This is a full minute of us trying to say Bean. Google search, autofill. Ender's Game Bean book. Bean. Yeah, so like, yeah, is there, is there, is there something that you would like to see remade or, or kind of like touched again, but from like a completely different point of view? So I guess like, yeah, I mean, and I guess like two degree, like the Scoob movie sounds like it's almost kind of like that, where it's like, it's like you're saying it's a bigger focus on, you know, obviously he's, he's been the titular character, but Scooby. Right. Versus the, the other three. The gang. Fuckers, yeah. I was, I was always a big Scooby and Shaggy fan. I like, I didn't care what the other ones, the other ones were just being horny elsewhere. I was also very big into Scrappy because I was always very short. So I like, you know, like, oh yeah. You just reminded me of Scrappy. I forgot he existed. You're welcome. I just remind me of the live actions Scooby-Doo movie with Scrappy. Spoilers. That reminds me of, uh, Godzuki from the Godzilla animated show. Yes. So as an example, Scrappy-Doo of Godzilla. Oh my God. What, what if we got a, what if we got a Godzuki remake? I'd be about that. How come Godzuki wasn't in any of these, uh, remakes of, uh, Godzilla, the one with Brian Cranston, where you were there for 10 minutes? Oh, no, no. So this is, did you see a Shin Godzilla? Yeah. At like 30 minutes in, you can see him in like the bottom right corner of the frame. Oh my God. Are you, you're, you're pulling my leg. I can't. We're, we're That doesn't remind me though, Carrie, you mentioned, mentioning there's like remakes or things done from a different perspective. Yeah. Um, the Twilight series did release the Midnight Sun, which is the Twilight series, but from Edward's point of view. So that's very relevant. Oh, it's the whole like series from his point of view. I think so, because it's only one book though. I thought it was a prequel. I thought it was a prequel. I think, I thought it was from his point of view, but I could be wrong. I think it's from his point of view. Twilight might. I, I'm googling it. I'm not gonna do my Google history. Twilight might be the largest franchise that I, I don't know anything about. That's fine, Carrie. I'm coming up on 45 and I just like, I feel like it's not. Carrie, what is this? It's not good for me. I started getting heartburn a lot more and it's making me feel older. You just had a birthday a couple of weeks ago. Yeah. And an anniversary. Happy anniversary. We don't, we don't have to talk about that. Carrie, how long have you been at the company for? See, this is why Carrie is feeling old. He had a birthday where he probably turned, I don't know, 28, 29. Here's okay. Here's what's fucking me up right now, y'all. Okay. Tell it to us. I'm 29 years old. Okay. Last, a couple of days ago when we recorded this, last week from when you're hearing this, I celebrated my, my 10th anniversary starting as an intern. Also shout out to Mike, who's a, who's in broadcast who's celebrated his fourth on the same day. I have been at this company for more than a third of my life. Oh my God. Oh, and that is what messed me up. That's not bad. That's not a bad thing. It's not bad, but it's, it's just wigging me out. Okay. It's like, when you hear, it's like, I think it was a thing of, I think Cleopatra was born closer to the iPod being invented than the tower, than the pyramids going up. Oh fuck. Seriously, like also a thing where like the Ottoman empire existed less than 100 years ago. Stop. Yeah. It's like, there's weird things like that. Oh, uh, uh, Adolf Hitler and, uh, no, no, no, I'm sorry. It was Martin Luther King and, and Frank and Frank were have the same birthday. Yeah. They were born in the same year. Same year. Yes. It's just like that just like messes my perception of time. I was like, they, as far as you don't think of them as like contemporaries or parallel in the same, yeah. Not even a little bit. Yeah. There's some, there's some weird stuff like that. I think, I think Betty White's older than Hitler would have been or something like that. There's, there's another one with Betty White. She's just a treasure. Sorry. I watched a lot of girls growing up. Um, uh, as the good place we call it, time is just Jeremy bear me. Yeah. Yeah. Is that show? I watched the first two seasons. Is it good still? Oh yeah. It finished. It's good all the way through. Heck yeah. All right. The finale is great. Uh, I have yet to watch season four because it's not on Netflix yet, so. Classic. Please hurry. I'm just going to keep baking sad. Sorry. I was thinking about something that I thought of way earlier. Carrie spit it out. Okay. Okay. You know, okay. You know how there's furries in their scalies? Oh my. Yes. The furries are back. What, what about the bananas and pajamas? What about the bananas and bananas? Fruit teas? What does that call them? Fruit teas? What do they have? They have, I guess they have a, they have a peel, but it's like Peelies. Apples have skin. So the same thing. Yeah. Peelies make sense. Yeah, I guess so. It's the opposite of Peelies instead of like wheels on your shoes as banana peels and you just slip. Well, anyways, no matter what it is, I'm not, I promise. I never thought about those pajamas. Which one's cute? The left one or the right one? Oh God. I don't even know. Is that their name? Yeah. You know, yeah. They don't have names. Lefty and righty. They're fucking woody shoes. You have Andy writing on their asses. Lisa, do we have any questions? We do have a question. We have a question in the topic that people have brought up either on the website, YouTube, Twitter. We brought a couple that we could potentially answer. Let's pull it up right now. And of course, we'll only maybe answer. We might just say next. Yeah. Okay. So that nerd in a tie is asked, what are your thoughts on iteration in the creative process? That is, how do you know when to leave a creative product finished and when to go back and redo something? We started touching this on last week. Yes. Yeah. We kind of just skimmed over it. Yeah. It was last week we kind of mentioned is like at the end of the day it was kind of just we had deadlines to, we had deadlines to take care of. So if it's done, then that's when they say it's done. It's as done as it can be. There's a couple of different schools of thought on this where it's like, there's things that compete, which is like, is it broken? Like, is there something about this visually that is like, it doesn't work? Yeah. If not, you can go on to the next thing, which is like, does it make sense? Yeah. I guess it checks off all your little boxes. Yeah. And then I guess third is like, are you as happy as you can be to like, put this out in the world? Yeah. Like, I mean, there will always be. Don't always get to that third box. Yeah. Yeah. But like, I almost feel like on top of that, like that's like bare minimum. But then like, there are layers on top of that one where it's like, is this like the full vision that I had when I like started like coming up with this idea and like, you know, my cat has ideas. I kind of a similar or like the I look at it very similarly. I think like the way the slight difference is like when it comes to like, is it broken? I typically I try to ask myself, is it going to take the audience out of it? Yeah. Because sometimes like broken can be different things like, you know, if in a comp, for example, like if two layers are slightly misaligned, but you can't tell without knowing, like if you just watch it once and you can't tell, well then it's broken, but I don't think it's going to take the audience out of it. So let's not worry about that if we don't have time. Let's focus on this thing that I do think is like, like you're saying like visually broken. Because I also think that like, you kind of need a cut off because if you can work on it forever, you will. Yeah. Yeah, that's not good. Yeah. The real thing is like, what do you constitute finished? Yeah. Yeah. Like, what is that definition for you? Like, some artists will say it's finished when I think it's perfect, perfect, representation of like my vision and what I had had in mind. And then other people will say like, it doesn't match what I was thinking. But I mean, look how good it is through the power of collaboration and the creative process. Like, you know, it's, it's different for everyone, I guess. Yeah. Like that first one you mentioned about how your vision had like, oh, it's not done until it's perfect. Then then you get the movie cats. Yeah. We don't talk about cats, but they took the buttholes out. So what's the point watching it was no buttholes. I yeah, I feel like, or I don't know if y'all have ever experienced this, but I sometimes I feel like part of directing is basically saying when is it good enough when you because I think it's really hard for and I don't, I don't mean to say that in that like, we're constantly just like, oh yeah, this is fine. Just move on. But it's yeah. Oh, this is the bare minimum crap. It's not that. Hey, the deadline's coming up. What are the things we need to prioritize? And what are the things that can like, if we don't get to it's okay. And I think a lot of times it's hard for, I mean, it's not easy either. Like I mess it up a lot, but it's a lot harder when you're the artist working on it to let it go with flaws because it almost feels like a reflection on you. Right. When I think, yeah, that's kind of like the director's job. A lot of times is to say like, hey, we all know it's not perfect. If you had more time, I know you could make it perfect. We don't have more time. So I think this is good. Let's go with it. I think and having a burden. Yeah, because like, I think if you end up spending too much time, then you'll have something like here's another example. Square Enix and Kingdom Hearts 3 or the Final Fantasy 7 remake or Final Fantasy 15. It's just this constant like these series or these games where it's these people who there's new technology that comes out. And because maybe they wanted to take advantage of it, they had to quickly like pivot into learning about this new technology, like engine, and then trying that out and doing a lot more tests. But the more you like, how do I put it? I guess it is time, you know, the more that you spend time on something, the more the world keeps turning and all these new trends, all these new things, you can't really, you can't ever, hmm, it's tough. It's better to get it out there, even if it's not perfect and then just work on it forever and then have somebody either do the same idea or have the idea not be relevant anymore, or yeah, get so, you know, technologically surpassed that it's like not worth it anymore. And then on top of that, like when you're spending your wheels, you're, you know, that's, you're going through your budget that, you know, every one of the most eye-opening like statements from someone who has a lot of experience, like said, was every time you look at something, it costs money. So like, it's like when you review it and you decide, oh, this needs to change, you've just wrote a check, basically, like everyone's time, you know. Thankfully, it's someone else's money. But also, like we're thinking, we're thinking about this in a very TV, like serial kind of way, we're like, that's true. We, we got to keep going kind of thing. We're like, you know, like the way our pipelines work and the most efficient way to do things is like, we have some like, going back and polishing built in, but we also just need to like make sure people are tasked and moving forward on the next thing, you know, kind of keeping the treadmill kind of running. Where I think like features and movies is, I hate to say the word crafted because that might imply that what we do isn't, but like you have more time to do that kind of polish and craft. Yeah, I mean, it's definitely, well, I think it's a, I said all this being said, I would love to do features so badly. But it's, it's, it's an intentional trade off that I think is worth it and makes them different is that, yeah, yeah, you get all that said about, about, you know, TV or, you know, serialized stuff. It's like, you get more content out of it. And that's kind of the point, you know, is that you're okay saying, Hey, I'm going to lower the bar a little bit, but get more out of it. Yeah. It's just a different mindset. Yeah. Where it's like, it's marathon versus sprint. Cause I feel like, maybe it's a little bit of both because like, and sprint flying. Yeah. Yeah. It's more like a relay race. That's actually way better where it's like, you're going to do your part and you got to hand it off to the next bit, next person so that they can go on with, you know, you've handed them the baton, AKA the concept art and they're, they're going to model and rig it. And then they hand theirs off to the animator and then they hand theirs off to editing and then they hand theirs off to pose like, yeah. It's become crazy though. I mean, like the, I think there's a, there's a genuine spot for both. And it's just been amazing to see over the last, you know, a couple of decades, especially, but like I said, the last decade of like how much TV has caught up to movies in terms of that quality. Yeah. We're like, yeah, people expect the same quality. Yeah. Yeah. And, and, you know, it's, it's becoming possible with certain things to get there. You know, especially if you have a more like realistic show, it's like, well, let's just use the same cameras and, you know, yeah, have, you know, it'll take us a little bit longer, but we can still get it done. And, you know, it will be different. It still won't be there, but to a lot of people, it'll be, it'll be about the same. People probably for the most part don't even notice or realize the like kind of like budget or like, I guess like the more polish you can do in a movie versus a TV show, probably because they are so close and also like the, to the untrained eye or the casual viewer. They're just like, it's just, it's just media. I'm consuming it. Right. Right. Yeah. Most people aren't artists. So you'd be surprised with what you can get away with sometimes. Yeah. Which I mean, you know, yeah, all of this to be said, like, you know, when we're talking about like getting away with stuff or like, you know, being like okay with something, it all comes down to, to then give the thing that needs it the most polish. Yeah, definitely. You know, it's, it's, it's about, hey, we've got 10 shots due. All of them could use something, but these two shots are the most important. So let's give them the attention and these other eight, let's just fix like one of the two things because it won't break immersion. So it's all, it's all, it's all balancing. Because the answer to the question is it depends. There was a question. Fun, fun ending fact note that I have for people who tend to ask like what they, if, if we have, if I specifically am looking for something in a portfolio, even if it's like art or concept art, wanted to go throw it back to Aaron who mentioned it's like a relay race and you have to kind of just pass it down. All your work and stuff I like looking for finished work. If you have something in there and it's, and it looks unfinished, then I'm going to be a bit more, let's put, let's just put it out there. I might be a bit more judgmental about it. I would rather see, especially if it's concept art or production art specifically, I would, I would like to see stuff that is finished because then, then I know if you're a person on or if you're a member on a team, you can put that quality out and make sure that the next person who's down the line will be able to take what you have and utilize it and it's most finished for it. Yeah, I can see like going off of that, like finished concepts, but also concepts that are easily readable to other people because you're going to pass this on to other artists and they're going to have to interpret your work. Yeah. And if it's not clear, say it's like a character, if it's not like say they're like a pose design, only one front view, that's not going to be as nearly as helpful as like a, like a four-sided turnaround or more in like an A pose or something. So yeah, there's definitely, I think a lot of people confuse illustration and concept art a lot, so just going off of that. So don't. I want to see concepts in your concept portfolio, not illustrations. They are nice, but totally different skill sets. Yeah, it all depends on what you're going in for. Yeah. But it's good, it's good kind of to, to both of what you're all talking about, it's good to have a little bit of everything. Yeah. You know, it's, it's good to know it's good. Like I kind of used to what you're talking about. I was like, I like seeing the finished product because that lets me know that you can follow through. I also like seeing the ideation that went into it and seeing like, here's the four silhouettes I started with, and then here's the final product that came out. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. But, but without one without the other doesn't tell the whole story of how you got there. And then that is like not quite as, unless it's just like really cool. Yeah. I always tell our concept artists, like give the next artist as much information you can, like within your deadline. I think that's always like a good, a good starting point for all your checkpoints. Yeah, like what you need to hit in that concept or whatever you're working on animation, etc. Heck yeah. Good note, guys. But that was an episode, right? We did it. We did it. Yay, we did it. Hey, everybody. Thank you again so much. I got my energy back now. It's here. I can feel it. Thank you so much. You look like you're doing a spirit bump. Yeah. Get in his energy. The bananas and pajamas. They've blessed us. Yeah. Do they? I'm going to look for figures of bananas and pajamas. Just so you can send it to Jordan. For, no, for myself, my shrine. I mean, my shelf. Thank you all for watching, for listening to Eye of Notes. We, I'm not, I don't want to start begging yet, but we would love it if you would share it with a friend. Maybe if you see it on Twitter or do a little retweet. We just like to get it out there more. Everybody's been super, super nice about feedback on it. And a lot of people seem to really like it, which makes us feel warm and happy and goes back to that constant validation that I need. But yeah, if you have, if you, if you like it and feel like it'd be cooler if you share it. And I just remembered something I need to talk about. Oh boy. Go for it. So I figured like one of the, one of the benefits of this podcast is having a platform to like give updates and stuff and like, you know, just like on projects and other stuff we're doing. I wanted to talk about since we've started doing more live action stuff like this, we've been struggling to find a place for it to go on, on roosterteeth.com. But we also wanted, at the same time we were thinking about like starting like for our personality driven stuff. And you're talking about the animation department. Yeah, I don't want to use the word brand, but like something for something named for it to live under. So we threw around some ideas for names and stuff. And we came up, well, first we listed like all of the values we hold near and dear and what we think we see the animation and bodies. But we came up with the name select all. So you're going to start seeing, you may have already started to see videos go on our YouTube channel with that logo in the corner. It's a control a day. That's the logo for the show. So yeah, anything like the top tier shows we've been doing, debates, bites cover all the fun like just us like hanging out goofing goofing around about like the things we love. That's going under select all. And as part of that, like, like, inclusivity was one of the tenants ideals of, yeah, that we wanted to exhibit. So we thought like, you know, select all would be good name to embody that. But we are also doing print on demand. Select all pride shirts. It's gonna be your first piece of merch. I haven't heard about this. Yes. So it'll be it'll be that cool control a logo. I really like the control a because it's like, I mean, select all and it can also mean like hit the animate button control a that my relatives think I do. Yes. So be on the lookout for that. Going up and sourcing. That's the end of my spiel. Yeah, we should make a we should make an I have notes shirt. I can't has notes shirt please. I can't has notes. I can't has notes. I have notes shirt. And then we should make the I can't has notes. Well, you know, we're not going to make the meme one before the non we'll have a meeting about it. Well, I mean, I don't know. Leave comments about how much you want the I can has no shirt. I still want to make a Catboy carry shirt. I also do. I'm also Kansas. We have that print on demand thing. Now we can just like throw these ideas over to the merch department. All cats. If I could be maybe Aaron shouldn't know that. Because like she'll just make a design and throw it to them be like take it please. They said it was OK. If I could just commission Catboy me in banana and pajamas pajamas. I'm all I'm all set. Catboy in the striped pajamas. And on that note, this is a really, really different direction from what I was imagining. Thank you all for joining us. Send us questions and feedback and notes, and we'll see you next week. Bye, guys.