 Yeah, I'm so tired. Really? Why are you so tired? Well, I don't know. I wonder why it could it have been the 11 hour flight? I mean, yeah, yeah What are you doing mate? I got myself a Diet Coke, and it was a wrong move. I'm not I need to convert this I've got like you got the jitters. I've got flying sugar to the jitters. It's not necessarily gonna This is gonna be okay Oh, no, it's actually really nice Anyway, um, we should talk about the web Yeah, okay, so I I was upset by something that happened a few months ago And it was do you remember when? Did it result in an argument on Twitter? No, I actually kept this to myself I just got I just got sad inside of myself, and I held it in and this isn't me now Okay, you got to let it out because it can bring other problems in your life. Yeah Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So Microsoft with the the user voice thing where they were asking people Hey, like what what do you want us to work on? Yes? And one of the things that by the way, I think that was brilliant. Actually, we should we should probably do that one of the things that shot to the top of the list was Stop doing what you're doing and just use webkit boo. I don't know that's not I don't think that's the right outcome but just the idea of them Stopping what they're doing and taking on another browsing engine that made me really sad because I really think it's the diversity of browsing engines Which which makes the internet a better place. Well, we had this when we when we forked To make blink was it wasn't about one code base one code base is not watch what you want because then you end up with stagnation what you want is Standards I can understand why developers might want like a single browsing engine, right? because it because it can be a pain sometimes especially when you you develop a thing and You know your wonderful work of art in a couple of browsers and then you go to the third one and it's turned it into Some kind of expressionist modern art When I was working at startup I had a series of post-it notes on on the wall, right right one for each browser Of what like things to avoid or things. No, no, no It was just like post it note internet explorer post it notes safari firefox to remind you to test in their browser Is that what it was? No, it's because I'd be coding Why did you have the list of well if you could shut up for a moment? I might be able to tell you I don't like this jet like Jake. Oh my god I would jet like I had it one for each browser on the wall and then when my Wonderful work was destroyed by a particular browser. I would be but rather than getting really angry I would just calmly stand up pick up her sharpie walk over to the appropriate post it note and just draw a tiny phallus and And then I really genuinely thought it was gonna be a grown-up little check mark If you found out that it was your bug Did you apply the appropriate diagram to self just to my own face? Yeah, right and and and because this was back in the day, you know back in the day I've grown up since then you wouldn't do that now. Would you know I still would do this But here's the difference is like back then the internet explorer post it note was run out of space It was riddled absolutely riddled mate But and I but I do think like you know modern day Internet Explorer has really sort of turned over But but they so that's they made me really sad when people were sort of wanting So really wanting a browsing monoculture because because we did have it with IE 6 at the time Yes, and yeah, we did and it was it was actually awful because the web stagnated You had a complete lack of progress for for years the diversity in browsers It actually gives developers more power because if you in a monoculture like say say everyone went webkit Like who gets to decide what features get implemented. Oh, yeah. No, this is the stagnation. This is the monoculture thing, right? This is exactly. Yeah, it'll be webkit that decides in the same way that on like native platforms Like it's Android that decides what what features get developed and I'm feeling this with with service worker at the moment. I Know right. I know I know a little trick pony. How have you been? It's only been half a day since we last spoke Right, but at the moment it's in Chrome and it's gonna be in Firefox soon And Internet Explorer look like they're they're gonna take it on as well But Apple we don't know mm-hmm, but this is it puts developers in this position of power because if they can make sites work faster in Chrome Firefox and you know eventually I Then Apple are gonna look at that and they're they're not gonna they have to go. Well, we're not live We're not gonna have this we're not gonna be the rubbishest in the town Right, so we're gonna have to implement service worker and the people that made us do that is real world developers It's brilliant more power to developers. Yeah, and that's what multiple browser engines give us