 Hello, everybody. Welcome back to the anxious truth. This is podcast episode number 253. Today is not really a podcast episode. It's an introduction to what I think is another outstanding resource that I want to make you aware of because at the beginning of every podcast episode, I try to get you to go over my website and go through all the web, the resources that I make available. And this is another one of those things, but this is kind of better and it's free. So today I want to introduce you to a new podcast that I'm doing with my friend, Joshua Fletcher called Disordered. So we're going to bring Josh up on screen and we're going to talk about what Disordered is, why we're doing it and why you should go listen to it. So let's bring him on. Good afternoon. Good afternoon from the UK. Hey, Josh. How are you doing? For those of you who possibly do not know who this young man is next to me, give us a quick introduction. My name is Josh Refletcher, also known as Anxiety Josh. I'm a psychotherapist here in the UK who specializes in anxiety and anxiety disorders. I've also a previous software like Drew, so I speak from experience, both for someone who's been through it and he's a massive nerd and on the work and works with people every day with it. Yeah, that probably speaks to why we're doing this podcast together. So the new podcast is called this. And if you've listened to The Anxious Truth for any length of time you've heard Josh on the podcast before, you see us working social media together. And I think that last thing you said speaks volumes, a massive nerd when it comes to this stuff. That's the way I describe myself that way all the time. Like, you know, that actually reads the research papers even before I was in school, like, come on, I got to get a life. But it's just a fascinating topic for me. So yeah, same. And as anyone knows, and I know people who follow your passionate passionate listeners of The Anxious Truth, I'm one of them. And it's passionate followers of mine and you follow the panic pod. And it's a project I really enjoyed. But what better way to have just two people who have been through it who have done a lot of the research, a lot of the education, who are studying or studied, or I'm still studying, therapists always study, and then conveying that information to people who really need it. Whilst nerding out on the way, having a bit of a laugh. And to be honest with you, I'm just lonely and I need someone to talk to about it, because it's all good being nerdy on your own in here. But, you know, it's nice to just have these ideas, bound stuff, a fellow anxiety disorder nerd can't really take it to a mate's and stuff, because they don't they don't really care or even have anxiety disorders. So thanks for doing this. Yeah, it's 100 percent true. And I think plus new projects, you know, new things. Hey, listen, The Anxious Truth, The Anxious Truth isn't going anywhere. So people have asked, well, is this going to replace The Anxious Truth? No, I'll still continue to publish the podcast. But I think this gives us an opportunity to kind of be a little bit wider. And there are just topics that are better. When it's the two of us. I mean, I could talk into a camera for 10 minutes on my own, but sometimes it's just better to have the two of us in a room together, virtually. Absolutely. And as of right now, recording was really nice in the UK. Disordered has just hit number seven in the mental health charts. And there's some big names up there, notably us. But there's some other people there that we're kind of knocking about. So, you know, there's been a big response in the UK so far. And hopefully, you know, globally, because anxiety disorders are not, you know, especially attached to any one country, it's a global thing. And we hope that we can, you know, disordered speaks out to you. Yeah, I think so. So what are you going to find over there? We we're in the middle of we're almost done. We're almost done recording the first 10 sort of what we're calling the foundational episodes that lay the groundwork for almost everything we're going to talk about. And when we're done with this, we're going to record episode 10, which is about an attitudinal shift, an attitudinal shift. But we've already done. Let's see, what have we done? You know, you're anxious when that was our main. Well, we had a game as well. I know that was we had a game in a different one. But yeah, that was a good one. Yeah, we know you're anxious when. Yeah, you know, you're anxious when we'll be posting clips of those things on social media over the next couple of weeks. But you can go find it all at disordered.fm. We've done which anxiety do I have where we did sort of a whistle stop tour of different varieties of anxiety disorders, which was really good. Yeah, we did how we got better, where each of us kind of talked about what we did to get better. That was a good one, too. A lot of sharing. The threat response had our famous amygdala call multiple times. Oh, yeah, that's a cheap in the pot. If you want cheap, horrendous 90s radio style interventions in your anxious listening, everyone coming to listen to me, I was going, no, that's not what I want. Well, it's there. Come and join where we have a nice life. Making light of the topic, though, aren't we? Like the threat response is very psycho educational, but we make light of it, which is, I think, essential because, you know, people go for anxiety. They go for a lot. Incredibly courageous, incredibly brave. Let's have a joke about this. It's your joke. It's our joke. You know, we can do those things whilst learning really important tools and resources. Yeah, I think one of the cool things about some of the joking that we do and it's kind of minimum. I mean, it's not a 60 minute laugh fest, but clearly because it's a serious topic. But the fact that we've lived through it, I think gives us that appreciation and anybody who's listening now or is listening is going to be a disordered listener, which I know is all of you guys are going to go check it out. But, you know, as you get further down the road to recovery, you start to look back with some bit of humor that you couldn't have in the moment. But you start to realize I got that was what was I doing? I was completely ridiculous. The rationality kicks back in and you start to understand. So we can come from it. We approach it from that standpoint as we've been there. We both lived it. Yeah. Yeah. It's awesome. Nice as well. Disordered. What I've noticed because I've listened to them back, not because I love the sound of my own voice, but just because I want because you sound my voice, clearly. Yeah, that's the one. And because I really want this to be it's an important project to me and it would be nice to see how we can make it better and fine tune it as we go along. What I've noticed is that both our approach is slightly different from the anxious truth in the panic part of this place. It's less off, less on the soapbox and more sharing a very compassionate, encouraging side of things and showing a bit more of our vulnerability as well between each other, which I think really can be quite powerful. Also, there's some great features in there, like there was a campaign on my social media called hashtag. Did it anyway? We're going to throw it in this podcast because it was so fun. So we celebrate your wins on there. You can hear other people's wins and Drew is weaved his magic and just as you were talking, then I had to pop up on my screen. We have questions and voice notes dropped in from listeners and we get to answer your questions, but you can actually either write it to us or actually send us a voice note and we'll answer your question live. Or if you just want to send us an audio of an insult, we will listen to those two. Yeah, we're always up for that. That's true. You can record anything you want. It doesn't have to be a question. Yeah, it could be anything. You can send us anything. So go for it, have at it, you know. But yeah, I think it's funny because in my mind, disordered is probably what the anxious truth would have looked like if I knew now, if I knew then what I know now, you know, in 2014, some of those early episodes, they're good. I have no problem with the work I've done, but some of it's a little cringy. We've talked about that like the early episodes of Panic Pod. It's like, oh, well, I wish I could redo those. And instead of redoing my first episodes, let's just make this new thing, which is yeah. I think I don't know about you. I cringe at mine. Yeah, sometimes. But it's where I cringe is that it's done from the excitement of recently not long recovering. So you it's very kind of enthusiastic, you must do this. You know, this is there. I made all the mistakes, et cetera, et cetera. But I think this podcast is more from a place of, you know, we've been here for quite a while now. We've listened to a lot of experiences. We've worked with people. I've certainly worked with a lot of people in my practice. And it's a kind of like, OK, we've been there, we've done it, but it's also like I think mine's a bit more empathetic, a bit more compassionate. I took him wrong. It was full of empathy and compassion. But it's more of a case of we've slowed it down a bit, like your book, some sense. So we just slowed it down a bit. I have anyway, particularly I was in a mad rush to tell everyone the way is out. And now it's just like, you'll get there, you know, but at a time we'll teach you. It's OK. I get that. I think it's in a little bit. It's a product of the privilege that we both have of speaking with such large numbers of people. Now, as a practicing therapist, clearly if people come through your practice, but know that. I mean, so we both study, I'm studying now. And even a thriving practice doesn't see tens of thousands of people over the years. And I think the contribution that you guys have made to disordered, I think it's a big deal. Because when you get to talk to us, like you have for the past several years, at least, that I know, Josh, that you start to hear yourselves, I think, in these podcast episodes that we're recording now, because a lot of it was shaped and like, well, we know what people are struggling with. We've heard them. We know the specifics. So how can we, you know, how can we address those things in a way that we know will resonate with you? So, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, 100 percent. There's no community engagement from we during our share, a lot of the community, because we were part of that. If it wasn't for you, there'd be none of this podcast. So it's please see disordered as an ode to you as well. Yeah, 100 percent, I agree. So, yeah, we've done it. We're going to finish our first 10 episodes today. But we have, does anybody else, the symptoms of anxiety? That was to anybody. Oh, they're talking about me for you. Does anybody else have heart palpitation? Yeah, anybody else when lying on their side of a twitching leg and the and a weird sensation in the back of the head? Does anyone else? Yeah. Yeah, well, we've had a couple of those like rapid fire sessions where like we just trying to one one up each other on like the symptom that we could think of that we used to have. So there was there's some good stuff in that one. Oh, yeah, we turned it to a game show, didn't we? Did we turn it into a game show? We had some sound effects. It's I think it's somewhat entertaining. And I think also really relatable. We deconstructed what a panic attack is panic attack. The question mark we talked about self talk and what the words you use during a panic attack. We talked to episode eight was anxiety, mind versus body. And as you're listening to this one, if you're listening to the anxious truth when it comes out on whatever that day is going to be tomorrow is April 12th, you'll only hear the first four episodes. So these are in the can ready to come out. And then we did episode nine was who gets the credit? That's a good one, too. Yeah, yeah. And yeah, yeah. So we get questions. We get did it anyways. We have victories from the and wins from the community. We have our witty banter, our experience, our knowledge, our caring. It's a good big combo. Yeah, all all enough to warrant a solid three stars on Apple podcast. We are mediocre and proud of that. Come listen to a mediocre podcast. Yeah, you guys know it all. Yeah, overestimate their own abilities, pontificating and self aggrandizing facts about it. Now, come join us. I'm really excited. I think it's going to be really a really special thing. And the reaction already has been fantastic. Yeah, come join us. Come be part of it. We want to hear from you. Yeah, absolutely. So I put it up the URL. If you're watching on YouTube is on the bottom of the screen. It's disordered.fm. We got that posh radio sounding URL disordered.fm. Or if you go to the anxious truth.com, there's two, five, three. I'll have all the stuff that's in this episode with a link over to disordered. Go check it out. You'll hear all the episodes. Ask us questions. See you over there. It'll be great. We're out.