 good morning. Good morning. I need to set up my multitude of devices so that are totally optimized like a Houston mission control so I can manage this whole thing. Yeah, I've learned a thing or two myself along the way. One thing I've learned is to make sure my teams is completely off on my laptop. I'm sorry I missed that completely what? I have to make sure my teams is I use teams on my iPad off to the side because if teams is on my laptop all the notifications come up in the corner of the screen. Oh right so I need to turn off my noise. Yeah okay next thanks. Connor do you want to do a sound check? Check, check. All right I think you're good. We're still doing no video, correct? Correct. Yeehaw. Do you have some applicants that are going to be on today? Yeah I have an applicant who will be joining. I don't know that he will be on early but um he doesn't have a presentation or anything. No I don't, I don't, yeah I don't know Andy do we typically do applicant presentations with regular CA? No I haven't seen it much. Well yeah I mean but they're not, we're not showing them. They don't give video but they do follow the planner's presentation. Oh okay so the planner's presentation is kind of their presentation. Yeah basically it's like I asked, I always ask my applicants, I share them my presentation and I'm saying hey do you have anything else that you would want to say? And they usually just say no. Yeah I mean often we're coming to these meetings with a friendly recommendation. It can't be the case that we're coming forward. Well your item for instance Connor we will be bringing forward a condition of approval that wasn't previously I assume in your resolution regarding modifying the building design to comply with our height standard whatever it is. So it can be the case where the applicant really needs to have an opportunity to I'll say event or comment to make their position which might be contrary to staff. Brooke am I too quiet when I talk like this or do I need to speak louder? I've had some issues with just kind of mumbling I guess with the way that my microphone is set up. You sound pretty good. You sound good now Adam. Okay thanks. Going back to me. I need to get my background on my I have a new tablet from the city that I realize I don't have my my ZA backdrop stored there so I gotta figure out how to get that on my machine. How come I can't copy an image directly out of an outlook email to someplace where I can upload it? Do you have your email pulled up outside of the VPN? Yes I should be able to save an image and attachment. You should be able to just go into VPN. No no not VPN I'm on my email my to my work address email address and so I want to save it on my C drive on my local computer. That's what I want to do. I should be able to do that. Where is it right now? It's in the memo field the email to myself doesn't allow me to drag and drop it out of the program which is bizarre. I'm wondering Kimberly do you have a dark background you sent to me? Oh here I got it here. I closed everything on my laptop except for except for the things I need for the meeting. No Tom. Hey if we have time can I do a quick share screen practice? Sure. Am I supposed to request to share screen or do I just start doing it? The only time you have to request it is if I've got my screen if I'm sharing my screen but I just ended it so you should be able to just go for it. Okay so I don't have to like raise my hand or anything like that. No no that was more for you know what we had to do before if we had multiple attendees just so that you could easily be unmuted so I could find you easily in the participants but I think these days everybody you know all of you guys are just kind of logging on early so we're not really doing that as much. Wait I got two more here. Hey Connor so I've got this image on my Mac and it's a PNG file from Photos. How do I get it to a JPEG so it's friendly with with Windows. What's your like image opener or editor in Mac is it preview? Uh right now um I think it I think it's Photos it's um excuse me it's um whatever it is you should have an option to open a JPEG in it and then export that file as a PNG or the other way around. No no I'm vice versa I want a JPEG. Yeah so you should be able to open a PNG and convert it. So Andy? Yes. I don't mean to distract you I'm actually uh a message Michelle to dig in my folder and see if she can email that to you make it a little easier to access. Okay I think I just got the export to JPEG. Oh okay. Function going here. So I'll let you know that um that Susie requested that her item be moved forward on the meeting so that she can attend a Caritas meeting. Who what? Susie would like to be moved to the number two spot on the meeting. Okay that's fine um and I'm okay if you move them before me my items are not controversial. Thank you Monique. Are you all set Connor are you finished? Let me just do this one last time sorry. Okay no worries. I want it to be full screen. Did that work? Yeah it looks good. Okay. Sometimes with Zoom though it's easier to put it up not in presentation mode and then get it into presentation mode. Okay so Michelle found it and sent it to you Andy to your email. Okay I just did that same to myself that's cool. Kimberley someone send the message did you see it Rachel? Rachel you should be receiving a prompt and if you answer that prompt we can go ahead and get a sound check. Hello can you hear me? Yes we can. Hi good morning. Mr. Wellman you should be receiving a prompt if you answer the prompt we can do a sound check. Connor are you all set? Yep I'm good thank you. Oh I can't use a PNG. Can you use JPEG? Okay now I'm like frustrated. Looks like you got it there Andy. Yeah perfect I want to reverse it though. Not fancy enough huh? No I kind of see. Okay that's better. All right lighting. It looks like we have a new attendee that's a phone call. Does anyone know if that's an applicant? Call her if you are part of an applicant team can you raise your hand? You can press star nine to raise your hand or if you'd like to do a sound check you can raise your hand also. Sissy would you like to do a sound check? Good morning everybody. Good morning. Do I need to turn my camera on? No you can. Yeah thank you. Andy I'm texting you right now. My cell phone? I guess so huh? If that's all right. Yeah okay. As long as you're being nice to me. Hey there. So Susie open channel yes we discussed moving your item forward on the agenda and we'll do that. Thank you. And Susie what's your item number? It's 3.5. It's a landmark alteration at 615 Jefferson. 615 and we want to move it to item number two. Yeah because I think item number one has been elevated or either continued from another meeting or elevated public hearing or not. Let me see. That's correct. That would be my item and it has been requested for public hearing for this date. Yeah my understanding is the public hearings need to go first Andy so putting me second is just fine. Okay so Connor that's your your detached garage item. Correct. Yeah okay. If you're part of an applicant team and you'd like to do a sound check please raise your hand. If you're more joining the meeting I wanted to let everyone know if you're part of an applicant team and you'd like to do a sound check you can raise your hand right now. Mr. Yee you'll receive a prompt. If you answer the prompt we can go ahead and make sure your sound is working. Can you hear me now? We can. All right thank you. Thanks Mr. Yee. If you can go ahead and control your meeting settings from here that would be easier than back and forth. Thanks. Okay recording secretary I'd like to commence the meeting now it's 1030. Everyone who's on this broadcast this this Zoom meeting welcome this is Andy Gustafson I am zoning administrator and I will preside over this meeting today. Thank you very much for joining us we we are hosting this Zoom meeting because of the COVID-19 pandemic has really required us to change our normal in-person public meetings to this format to help to reduce the spread of COVID. This meeting will be conducted in the same manner as our face-to-face meetings. Those of you who have attended those in the past will know that we have an agenda that we will work through in the items in the order in which they're presented. What is different with the Zoom meeting is how we go about taking public comments and and allowing the applicant to to comment. So I'll briefly describe now that process we have two ways to join the meeting one is by Zoom and the other is by phone. Those of you who are watching this on your screen you will have as an attendee a hand icon that when you wish to make a comment you raise your hand the recording secretary will acknowledge you and then at that time you need to unmute yourself and you will be able to speak. When you're done speaking you need to mute yourself again and and the next person who has their hand raised will be recognized. Those of you who are calling in listening by telephone we will recognize you when you press star pound excuse me star nine and then you will be given that same opportunity to comment. I will run through those instructions briefly as we move through the hearing. So with regard to the presentation of the hearing items there's one item that has been moved off the agenda. It was the last item concerning the minor conditional use permit and minor design review for 2965 Dutton Avenue. That meeting will be rescheduled as a public hearing and I think the meeting is the very next date. Recording secretary can you confirm that? Yes that will be a public hearing on August 20th. On August 20th okay notices will be sent out for that meeting. It will be posted in the press democrat. The sign will be put on the property in question as well as mailers. If there's anyone in the audience today attending this meeting who wish to comment on that matter please know that there will be no discussion on this topic today and that you should put on your calendar to join us for the August 20th meeting. Also regarding the agenda there's been a request that we move item number 3.5. It concerns a landmark alteration permit for 615 Jefferson. We'd like to move that forward on the agenda to the second item. So recording secretary if you could note that in your agenda log and remind me when we move through the agenda that the second item will be concerning 615 Jefferson. All right so now we always allow opportunity for attendees to comment on a matter that is not on the agenda. Please if it's a topic or concern or an issue related to an item on the agenda please wait until that issue or item comes up. Is there anyone in the audience or in attendance today that wishes to comment on a matter not on the agenda? If so please raise your hand you'll be recognized. All right seeing none we will now move on to the first scheduled item on our agenda and again what I like to do is we'll be following the same process as we would with a in-person meeting. The staff planner will give their presentation. The applicant and their team will be allowed opportunity to comment following the staff planner's presentation and then after that I will open up the meeting for public comment and again we will be recognized in turn. So with that little preamble I'd like to invite I can't see what the item on the agenda here. The first item which I believe is Connor McKay regarding a detached garage at Park Vista Court 2021 Park Vista Court. Mr. Connor if you can give your presentation please. Hold on one second please. Okay can everybody see that and can you hear me? Looks good sounds good. Sweet thank you. Thank you Mr. zoning administrator so this is a new two-gar garage and workshop located at 2021 Park Vista Court and the project description this project application consists of the construction of a 925 square foot detached accessory structure located at 2021 Park Vista Court. A minor conditional use permit is required because the proposed structure is located closer to the street than the primary structure additionally a minor hillside development permit is required because the slope is greater than 10 percent. Here is the project location off of Summerfield Road in Santa Rosa on the east side of town. This slide shows the site plan as you can see the workshop would be located across the driveway from the applicant's primary dwelling. This slide shows the slopes table and slopes below where the proposed new workshop would be. This is the front elevation so this site plan identifies a 15 foot overall height on the right side of the elevation the grade is displayed as going down and I have checked with the applicant about this and this is not their intention and we are currently in the process of preparing plans that will show an even grade along the entire bottom of the structure and that would result in compliance with the 16 foot maximum height limit of accessory structures so the following elevations will reflect this gradient that would not be in compliance with this regulation but the designer is currently preparing an amendment to these plans. It's a little bit more clear what I'm discussing in this right elevation here so the updated plans will show flat a level below the structure. So we have received some public correspondence and comments opposing this project. Many I believe all of the comments reflected some interest in the aesthetic impacts. There are comments that the garage should be located behind or directly next to the main dwelling or further down the slope than proposed. This is due to perceived elimination of the natural landscape in the project area and detraction from hillside views. I also received a comment that included discussion of biological impacts. According to this person dear have been cited in this area and they were concerned about biological impacts in this regard. Another comment incorporated discussion of erosion during rain events causing structures to come down the hillside when they're being developed on hillside such as this. I've touched on this one but the building height was identified as being exceeding the maximum height of 16 feet on the rear elevation. The designer is preparing an amendment that reflects an accurate elevation and compliance with this regulation. This leads me into some findings for this conditional use permit. I believe that we can make the necessary findings. Staff can make the necessary findings to approve the conditional use permit to recommend approval for the conditional use permit. The adjacent community care facilities operation would not be affected by this project. The proposed structure is located from the Park Vista court right of way at a distance similar to the residential development in the area. This lot is currently developed for residential use and the proposed location of the accessory structure consists of undeveloped land within an unusually large access corridor. This permit would not constitute a nuisance due to all activities within the structure complying with applicable zoning code provisions and the extra the structure being located across the driveway from adjacent residential development. Here are some select findings for hillside development permit. Similar analysis would apply here and that leads me to oh finally the proposed project has been reviewed in compliance with the California Environmental Quality Act and it qualifies for a class III exemption under section 15303 in that the project consists of the construction of a small accessory structure. With that the planning and economic development department recommends that the zoning administrator approve this resolution for minor conditional use permit and approve the resolution for minor hillside development permit for this project located at 2021 Park Vista court and I'm available to answer any questions. Thank you Mr. McKay. I just want to clarify the height issue so the drawing the elevation you presented earlier that showed the drop-off sharp drop-off is is not accurate to the existing site condition is that is that true? So the as far as existing site condition I I'm not entirely sure about that but the intention of the applicant is for the final constructed structure to be less than 16 feet in all dimensions from the bottom grade it measured from grade to the top of the roof. All right okay thank you and that that will be I would imagine that an additional a new condition on the plan or on this permit that the prior to submitting the building permit the project planner will validate the revised plan elevations show conformance with that height limitation. That is correct. Okay okay thank you and now it's time for the project applicant for their project team to comment and recording secretary if we can recognize members of the team if they choose to comment. If you do please raise your hand and we'll recognize you. I see one. Mike you should have received a prompt if you answer the prompt you'll be able to speak. Go ahead it looks like you're unmuted seems like you might be having some trouble with your sound because we are not able to hear you. Is there another member of the applicant's team that might be available for comment Boris? I don't believe there is but if if somebody could if that is the case if you could raise your hand now that would be great. Mike there's also a call-in option which sometimes works if you're having trouble with the sound on your computer. You can use the dial-in option. Also I may suggest Mike if you use the chat feature you might indicate whether you have reviewed the recommended resolution of proving the project and that you agree with those conditions in addition to the condition for a revised building plan complying with the building height you could indicate agreement with that in the chat at minimum or not. I'm looking to find that call-in option. What I'd like to do is move forward with public comment portion of this item and allow Mike opportunity to comment after we've heard responses from from neighbors. Mr. Zae I did speak with the applicant of this project prior to the meeting and they did demonstrate that they did they want to change the building plan so they would comply with the added condition but it would be great to hear from Mike himself. Right I do I do see that Mike has responded via text or chat and is requesting the phone number from the recording secretary. Can that be provided now in response to his chat? I'm sorry Annie can you repeat that I had a distraction? Yeah can you send via chat the call-in number for Mike. A call-in number for this meeting. Mike is chatting requesting it. Okay and in the meantime I would like to start recognizing members attendees from the public who wish to comment on this item. Those of you who are would you all please raise your hand now so we can get a sense how many wish to comment on this matter. I see that one attendee who is calling in has requested opportunity to comment. If you give us one minute I will we will recognize you but I want to give Mike an opportunity to to comment. It looks like Mike's connection may have been resolved. Recording secretary can you confirm and if so allow Mike to comment. It does not appear to be muted but for some reason we haven't been able to hear. I just provided him with the call-in number so it might be best to proceed with public comment and then allow Mike to go through the call-in process. Agreed so let's recognize the caller 9600 and provide them the opportunity to comment. Hello can you hear me? Yes we can. Good morning everybody. Mr. Dizier I'm Jeff Allen and my wife and I are the owners of the property adjacent to Africans property and his flag parcel where the garage is meant to be built. I had a number of issues that I wanted to get on the record. The most important of which is I want to know if if the reviewing body has received our attorney's letter from Martin Hirsch dated July 31st 2020 raising a number of points and authorities in regard to this project. We have a bit of a problem on service we we only got notice of this hearing nine days ago and I immediately contacted Mr. Hirsch. He submitted a letter raising our opposition but it doesn't look like it made it into the file there and also some of our neighbors comments do not appear to have made it into the file. So I'm if you haven't got Mr. Hirsch's letter I'm wondering if we might be able to put this over two weeks so that you get a chance to review that maybe have someone go out personally and inspect the site and then reconsider all of this in two weeks. I can provide some follow-up to that so I did receive the letter from Mr. Hirsch and I did incorporate those points into the public correspondence slide and I did maintain a complete record of all emails I received regarding this project and I did incorporate those into the public correspondence slide. So there are no topics that were brought up during the public comments that were received that were not expressed in this presentation. Okay well for the record I better go over some of the problems we have with the project. First of all the garage is not going to be located directly across from the applicant's house as was stated earlier this morning. It's going to be located directly across from my house. It's got no proximity to his house in fact it's if you look at his parcel the main residence and the detached garage are almost diametrically opposed on opposite ends of his flag parcel. There's been no attempt to integrate this new garage with his existing two garages which are built into his house and I think the city could requires an attempt to integrate. We've learned that he has two other garages built in. He has platform lifts with hot rods and high performance vehicles in his house. He has two other vehicles out in the yard and now he's going to build another garage to house at least two possibly four more cars in this new garage which will be located directly across from my southern side of my house and my garage and part of my front yard. I'm Jeffrey Allen. I'm with my wife and two teenage daughters. I'm the owner of 2025 Parkvist Accord and we certainly oppose this permit. The proposed project is totally inconsistent with the rest of the character of the neighborhood. This is a bucolic naturally landscape cul-de-sac of eight homes, four of them Tuscan homes. There are no other detached buildings or structures of any nature at any of the eight houses. All of the other houses have built-in garages. The applicant has two built-in garages already and this will be his third garage and like I said it has no proximity to the existing garages. It's not integrated into his house and it's going to be extremely visually prominent out on the edge of his flag parcel. It's almost as if he has chosen the furthest area from his main residence to construct this two-car garage. It's out at the very end near Parkvist Accord and we're going to be looking directly upon it from both stories of our south side of our home. What we had was beautiful views of oak trees and Bennett Valley. Now we're told we're going to be having a 15-foot parking garage and workshop being built there. The applicant owns a body shop in Petaluma and has heavy equipment. He has some mechanical supplies. He works on his hot rods on the weekends and this is really the last thing we in the rest of the community there want to see in this beautiful residential cul-de-sac. Notwithstanding that I believe the setting is completely contrary to the Santa Rosa City Code both in that it does not comply with the requirements of the hillside development rules which I believe... Mr. Allen? Excuse me? Yes. So I think you've been repeating some of your points and I just want to confirm that the key issues you're raising are the proximity of the garage is closer to your property than the applicant's property. The garage is in addition to the existing garage the applicant already has. Their view impacts to your property and that the garage doesn't fit the character of the neighborhood. Did I summarize that properly? Yeah it'll be the dominant structure one sees coming down the cul-de-sac. Really the only structure on the left-hand side or south side of these cul-de-sac. Mr. Allen I wanted to confirm the points. I would like to make opportunities for others to comment. What I didn't say at the beginning is we strive for everybody to have opportunity to comment and while this isn't a relatively informal meeting we do try to keep comments to three minutes and if there is a matter that you haven't raised that I did not summarize please do so now. I'll be very brief just one more that is on the hillside development. He has chosen not the lowest topography but actually the highest topography on the ridge running across his flag parcel and if we back that down towards the southwest corner where the topography is lower it will be closer to his house it will be integrated with his other garages it will not be blocking views and it will make it more consistent with the rest of the neighborhood. So if we can if we can back that down on topographically I think we've got a win-win situation but not out not out where it's placed right now it's too prominent. Okay thank you so much appreciate your comments. For my confirmation your house is located immediately north of his driveway off the same cul-de-sac. That's correct. Okay thank you. All right um and is there any other uh member of the public and attendance who wishes to comment on this matter? Seeing none um I would like to close the public comment portion of this matter and uh I can see recording secretary if Mike has had an opportunity to uh to get a connection and can comment. I do see that we've added a caller so I want to let the caller know that if you would would like to raise your hand you can press star nine on your phone and we'll be able to get you unmuted. Thank you. It appears they wish to comment if you could recognize. Can you hear me you guys I'm the applicant Mike Sternes. Oh thank you yes so um thank you for calling in um hopefully you were able to hear the comment of your neighbor. Yeah I do ask first uh to confirm that you have read the resolution recommending approval for your project uh and understand the new condition that we're proposing or going to that's being proposed to require that the height of the structure be reduced. Can you turn off the other audio device for getting there? Yeah I'm trying I'm trying to get that thing off of there let's get out of there. All right I just left the meeting. Everyone let me mute it. Can you hear me now? Yes. Okay is it better? Yes. Good all right yes I understand about the height requirement and I will address that with the architect um when I have a chance with them I left them a message and they uh I agree it's I had a little bit um the down slope that they put on there is is a little bit more than what it shows on my property so that's a little uh I don't know what you would say it's too much of a down slope on the picture so on the property it's not that much it's aggravated or whatever. So it's about the building and the comments on Jack can I comment on that at all? Hello? Sorry yes please do. Okay so I do want to buy a shop in Petaluma and I do have classic cars not hot rods. One is a 65 sport jury and one is a 70 barracuda sport model. One is on a lift there's only one lift into two garages the other car is the leaf electric car for commuting and a Mustang a new one a 16 Mustang so there are no hot rods in there as far as small stock classic cars. The garage on the other side I'm proposing to build the place that we're putting it is due to setbacks was the best place to put it because of setback reasons. I wouldn't put it further down the slope if I could have but I could not do that because of setbacks the area that is going in is actually the flattest portion of the grade which where I parked my pickup truck right now with a car cover on it so it will not look so bad but the neighborhood with a car cover on it because it's on an open dirt field right there there is no vegetation to speak of in that area so the setbacks and the actual level of that area is the perfect place to put that garage and the garage would be facing my house at an angle to kind of show that goes towards that house and it will be actually looking a little bit like they're the same structure as far as the way it's designed then there will be landscaping around the whole thing there'll be a I'm putting about putting a vineyard in front of it and then some other trees and bushes to kind of you know make it less of an impact of a visual so it actually looks like the rest of the house's landscape so it just flows through the whole landscape and the whole property as far as any more cars going in there I have a classic 300 Chrysler 300 sitting in a driveway with the car cover on it that I would like to put in there so I wouldn't get it weathered after I restore it so I also have a problem in there my existing garage is too small for two older American cars to fit in there side by side that is why I had to put a lift in there if you lift one above the other one so I could actually walk around them and park them and they're without hitting each other otherwise the lift would have never gone in there working in there every weekend and and tinkering in this car is a bull face lie I start them up and I drive them they are never really serviced there because I own a buy shop and I bring them down here I'll do an oil change there and I'll wash the car there but that's all I do there so that is not started every weekend and worked on so if you have any questions for me please let me know now thank you um um not immediately comes to mind but I will reach out to everyone a fair season when I close the hearing and and then we'll we'll get to a decision here again your your audio is feedback so if you could we can mute you now Mike that would be good thank you um all right just listen I want to ask again is any other member of the public wishing to comment who has not commented already please raise your hand all right seeing none I'll close the public um hearing portion of this meeting and now um deliberate so um um Mr. McKay can you put the slope map on the screen for us to all look at there you go um so can you explain the um the the the shading there and what it represents in terms of slope on the property yeah so the slope here is how the site exists currently um green well I guess white would be flat um no color is flat green is a slope from point zero one percent to ten percent um and then yellow and red are also identified in the table there so um just looking at the um proposed location of the workshop I would say approximately 25 percent of the pad is 20 to 30 slopes with the remainder being less than 20 what is an alternative site ever discussed with the applicant that would allow that same building footprint to comply with that I guess we might call that a side yard setback on the undeveloped portion of the lot joining the driveway no that was not discussed um do we have any information regarding the slope of that area uh in comparison of the proposed site um are you asking about about like southeast moving it closer to the southeast property line uh I would call it that southwest property line more okay into the lot um yeah so this is the this is the only slope map that was generated for this project but if you give me a second I can look at aerial to see what the terrain might be like some with some contours um but that I have not already well I yeah I think it's important to note that um maybe options on the property were not fully considered that could accommodate that same footprint uh on another matter can you confirm on what side the garage doors are located um which would in which way they're they're facing are they facing directly north but appears to be a driveway or garage apron yeah so so this is the front elevation from the north so it doesn't really identify exactly which way it would be pointing but um based on this I would say that the garage is pretty much pointed northwest which which makes sense it faces the the driveway right okay um okay um yeah I have a concern that this footprint that is shown um is appears to be on a portion of the lot that has the steepest slope and we don't know that there isn't an opportunity for it to locate in that area on what I would call the south side of the property um on the opposite side of the driveway from the house um and and thus avoid the 25 or the slopes exceeding 20 percent um let me share a different screen that shows an aerial with um contour lines and see if maybe we can see if um um that helps are you able to see the new screen share yes okay so I believe the existing footprint would be about here or so and then the discussion now is what the slope would be over here correct so so the contours look pretty spread out right here it's pretty steep right here though um I'm just trying to compare the distance between the contour lines in this general area and the distance between them in this general area just to share what how I'm analyzing this um it does seem like there is some more room in between contour lines um towards this edge of the property so I think you're on the fly analysis which I appreciate is um it's it's good it doesn't really take the place of actual surveying of the site these are relatively general topo lines based on aerial imagery not not the same as actually measuring the slope as a surveyor might that was done for the further map um can you confirm on the site plan that the setbacks are properly depicted for this particular property in its zoning district yeah one sec so the site has a 10 foot setback according to my notes and unfortunately it's a little blurry for me to read on the presentation but I'm trying to identify what that distance is on the site plan well um let's um let's we I think it's fair to say we will only allow this to move forward to a building permit with a site plan accompanying the building permit that demonstrates it fulfills the setback requirements as well as we previously noted that the structure itself meets the height requirement um so I I'm going to um assume here that the that your review and and the applicant's presentation and the plants in middle properly accounted for that 10 foot setback from that property line um and and so I have another question with a driveway of this length does the fire department require an emergency vehicle turnaround does it require a hammerhead in this instance um that I'm not sure I believe this project was referred to fire so the resolution should include any fire conditions but I don't believe there were any so I I look at this driveway configuration and it looks very much like a hammerhead that would allow a structure located more than 300 feet from the street to be um now I should say I think the standard is the rear part of the structure um is no more than 300 feet from the accessible point and so an emergency vehicle fire truck and such would have to pull into that building but then be able to that site but then be able to turn around by means of a hammerhead um it it may or may not serve this function but it certainly looks like it does um so that's a consideration in terms of the siting of the building and certainly supports this building being detached from the main structure um and not that way integrated into the site because to do so would by necessity um take away uh that the portion of that hammerhead that appears on the west portion of the property immediately south of the single family residential structure so I think the the location in my mind of the um of the garage which is an allowable accessory use in a residential zoning district there's no question about that um it's it's in my mind now is it positioned in the way to maximize the avoidance of slope as is required by the um hillside development permit and uh and then in addition we do have a use permit to allow this structure to locate closer to the street than the main house and in this location or an alternative location if it were moved further down the driveway that use permit would continue to be required and the findings associated with it would be needed in order for us to take action on the matter so um I I feel like there there's not enough information to know if there's a site further to the south or down slope from the proposed location of the detached structure to know if we're avoiding steep slopes to the maximum extent possible the um the slope analysis that was submitted with this project is tightly tightly um uh drawn around the building and unfortunately um it didn't include the the remainder of that area on the um on that side of the driveway I do believe that's a requirement um that we understand that that in a hillside development circumstance like this that this there isn't any other place where development could occur and minimize the impacts to the slope so um with that I do request or um wish to continue this matter to get more information about the slope of the the area that's not analyzed on the um opposite side of the driveway on the same side of the driveway to understand if that footprint as proposed for the detached accessory garage might fit there and avoid the steeper slopes indicated red on that on that map now um and I'm uh I I welcome the opportunity for the applicant to ask questions or respond at this point so Mike if you would call in or raise your hand um if you wish to to um to come in or ask to see clarification on what I'm I'm requesting or or doing at this point I don't see the phone listing anymore maybe a chat would be a little more a little easier okay I will um see oh I just see he's calling in now all right um um recording secretary that I think Mike's number just showed up if you can recognize isn't him now and allow Mike to comment or ask seek I would say seek clarification can you hear me yes so um um I can you um I don't know if you have this on a computer you're you're broadcasting this on zoom you must be if you can mute your computer I did that yeah so um what I expressed here is is my concern that um this proposed location and the mapping hillside slope mapping associated with it really doesn't give us a complete picture of your your site circumstance and whether that building which is a permissible type accessory use um is located at place that most avoids the slope oh Andy on the property yeah Andy I looked into this the I want that I wanted that structure closer to my garages in my front of my house because that was the easiest way to enter it and leave it and everything else that was uh you know best for my interest and everybody else's but the setbacks and the slope and I didn't care so much about the slope there is more slope on the downhill portion that you're talking about moving it to if you drove up there and actually looked at it you would see that that there is more slope further down towards the uh I guess the south the west side part of the property there so the setback stopped that from even happening because that's where I wanted it I didn't want it further up like it's showing but due to the setback and that actually is more level where that's why I parked the truck there because that's the most level part to put the truck on that's why the truck is parked there well so unfortunately we don't have substantial evidence in the record you support your your um your statement um with this or any other matter we really need to rely on the evidence that comes with your application and right now there is an open question uh because it does appear based on your your site plan there would be room for that building to be positioned further down slow well let me let me ask you this question um the problem that they had with the setbacks was I think there has to be a driveway to connect that building for cars going in and out of it with a kind of maybe a setback to my actual driveway it can't be right up against that driveway if you push it all the way up to that driveway then it would probably fit but there's there is no a driveway for that well let me ask you a question there appears to be if there's line work there can you confirm is that an access easement to an adjoining property to the west no that's an access easement for sewer and water I believe I see um so they can service so they can service that as it if it fails you know what I mean right right so there's not a setback off of a utility easement you can build up to the edge of it um so you would have opportunity to slide it further to the west um and provided the uh setback from the property line is drawn drawn accurately on your site plan it does appear that there would be at least the opportunity to locate it um away from further down yeah further down but what we don't know what we need is the slope information that shows that this site that you're proposing is or is not the best site in terms of affording development on steep slopes so that's that's what I need yes so does Connor and my architect uh Steve Martin get together on this one or is it more to you handy now work with the project planner um you would be basically revising the that slope analysis to expand it to include the entire area on the opposite side of your driveway um and um and then with that we'll be able to take action on it we'll have actual evidence to make a the decision that can be supported so what what if uh what if Steve Martin the architect that did the uh the design and the slope analysis actually had a verbal and said no it doesn't work type of thing that's not good enough no we need we need to be prepared and work with the project planner in terms of the method of preparing the slope analysis um so that you know clearly you you've heard concern from your neighbor um about the location of this so I think you understand that it's important that we really have a complete picture of your site condition and that um a decision is made based on solid evidence uh going forward okay so I videotape that video will show the slight difference and would that be good enough with that it's actually you can totally see it in a video no we we go back to the application requirements for hillside development permit and that's a slope density map um okay well I think he shot the whole slope anyway so he should be able to furnish that for you that would be great that would be great now the next question I have is do we continue this matter to a date certain to the 20th of August do you think you can is that the next available date I don't have my calendar this being the sixth that would be the 20th um um or or do you need more time to pull that together without talking to Steve I do not know that answer yet I will okay um how about that I'll talk to Connor about it in the next day or so okay um so I would like to continue this matter to uh August 20th to allow the applicant to provide a complete slope map of the project area south of excuse me that would be yeah south of the driveway and um and in doing so uh we won't have to re-notice this project and I see that Mr. Allen continues to be on the call and he will know that we will return to this matter in two weeks now I also don't know if the setbacks are coming issue there too so I'll find out about that too if the setbacks don't meet the location up further down do I need to proceed with anything else besides just setbacks don't constitute a beat built there uh your your accessory structure needs to conform with the applicable setbacks work with the project planner as you consider uh alternative sites that you are continuing to comply with our development standards and further you might also take that opportunity to to clarify your drawings with respect to the building height yes I will have that also all right well that concludes um this matter has been continued to August 20th uh date certain and we'll resume our discussion then thank you so much um thanks Andy thank you I now want to turn to um the item we move forward on our agenda is a 615 Jefferson Avenue it's a landmark alteration permit um and Susie Murray uh is the project planner Susie are you ready to go or I am that transition okay thank you so why don't you go ahead and give your presentation please okay so the project before you today Mr. Zoning Administrator is a landmark alteration to do some exterior modifications at 615 Jefferson Street Kimberly can you advance the slide the modifications include uh replacing siding in kind um and on multiple locations or multiple elevations replacing and adding windows on both the south and north elevation here's a photograph of the front of the of the front of the house at the beginning of the COVID shutdown I got caught doing a drive by to take pictures so I took a picture of the family so anyways it's a it's a beautiful home next slide please here's an aerial view of the property close up um just to give you an idea of the of the site plan Kimberly next slide and this gives you um kind of the neighborhood context here uh they're they're um located in the oh it's the west end over there and they um yeah they're surrounded um by residential development for the most part next slide please Kimberly so here we have the general plan and the zoning kind of side by side the general plan land use designation is low density residential which is identified by the light yellow color and the property is um kind of uh shown in the the blue outline there and then the zoning is r16 which is single family residential and consistent with that general plan land use designation and it's also within the h or historic um uh combining district also referred to as preservation district go ahead to the next slide Kimberly so here is um a kind of a picture of the oh I think this one is the north elevation I apologize there's a tree there and I didn't get a photograph of a good photograph I don't know why while I was out doing my site visit of the north elevation so what you can see is on the lower um the lower windows on that side of the home and um the proposed drawing on the uh the lower left exhibit shows that they're matching kind of the windows the older windows on that home um with the new windows if that makes sense um let's see that uh and then on the upper elevation what you can't see is they are removing I believe it's a pop-out window and putting in something that's more consistent with the history of the home also note that all the siding that will be replaced um will be replaced in kind with wood siding uh to match the existing and all the windows that are going in will be wood with uh clad with fiberglass so Kimberly next slide please this is the south elevation um and you can see the upper windows here and this is the photograph that I did take and so really what's on the lower level is not visible from the street the fence is very definitely behind the 15 foot setback line and they're replacing those windows up on top with matching windows I'll double hung and then on the lower elevation there's a very cool feature it's um it's an old we think it's an old coalshoot that looks uh kind of centrally located on that lower elevation and they are preserving that and then um adding windows adding and replacing windows that are already there and having to comply with egress requirement so again all wood windows with fiberglass cladding next slide please Kimberly so the project has been reviewed in compliance with California Environmental Quality Act and it qualifies for a categorical exemption because it involves uh modifications to an existing structure next slide please staff's review did not result in any um unresolved issues uh because of the time length of time this project has been in house the building official did approve concurrent review for the building permit so um the the egress windows have been addressed and the plans that you're seeing on this presentation are after it this is what the building uh division is looking at right now and I think they're ready to approve based on your decision today um we did receive one comment written comment I and and um it was in favor of the project it was just received earlier this week next slide please Kimberly so with that it's recommended by the planning and economic development department that the zoning administrator approved this minor landmark alteration permit to allow exterior modifications to the single family dwelling at 615 Jefferson street and that concludes my presentation if you have any questions for me I'm available the applicant is also here I don't believe they want to make a presentation but they are certainly available for questions and I will defer to him I know he's been watching anxiously for this thank you Susie a great presentation and applicant do you wish to comment at this point you don't have to but if you do please raise your hand all right uh recording secretary if you would please recognize uh mr wellman um no no comment thank you I guess okay please lower your hand and thank you right um so now it's opportunity for the public the neighbors who might be watching today to comment if you wish to please raise your hand seeing none I'll close the public meeting it's always great to see residents property owners keeping our city's historic residential treasures alive and well through these types of upgrades and and windows are very important elements of of homes and I think Susie's shown us that the replacement windows and the method of making sure that the exterior elevations are true and keep the integrity of the historic character of the the building as well as the area really warrants that this landmark alteration permit um be approved as proposed and uh with that and I'm I'm looking here for the by resolution moment please there it is um bear with me while I I didn't have that loaded in front of me I just need to download it thank you okay so um um have you reviewed the application and heard the presentation from the planner as well as uh the public um I find that the findings are had a properly made to support the approval of this landmark alteration application and subject to the conditions of approval this approval is appealable um over the next 10 days um and that would conclude I haven't looked at my calendar I'm not prepared today today being the fourth I should be the sixth it'll be the 17th band 17 Monday it is Monday Monday that would be Monday um I don't anticipate that but if someone wishes to appeal please contact Susie the project planner or Miss Murray the project planner thank you very much uh now I'd like to turn to the next matter on our agenda um item 3.2 which is a conditional use permit minor conditional use permit for 10 18 Bellevue Avenue and the project planner is Miss C. Collie Miss C. Collie can you give your presentation please sure just give me a second to share my PowerPoint can you see my PowerPoint yes okay so thank you Mr. Gustavsson the item before you as you mentioned is a minor use permit for a dog run park for the property located at 10 18 Bellevue Avenue this is where the site is located uh this is this property is zone plan development and the general plan land use is medium density residential the site is currently developed 200 multifamily residential units and the proposed park will only be used by the tenants of this apartment and it will not be open to the public this is the location of the proposed dog run park and they will use an on like a not use landscape area for this dog run park this is an aerial photo showing where it will be located and the average of operation or average that the tenants can use this dog park will be sunrise to sunset this is an a google aerial photo that shows location of the proposed site it will be next to the property that it is currently in county and i believe they are developing it with the new multifamily residential but i don't know the zone because it is in the county this is this site shows just like what they are proposing they will propose a fence around it they will have a bench there let me show you the landscape plans these are the items will be on that area they will have a four feet high fence around the proposed dog run park a bench and a granite paying granite and also a base station and notice was sent out to neighbors within 600 feet and i did not receive any comments or concerns about the proposed project and this project has been reviewed in compliance with california environmental quality act and it qualifies for a class 4 exemption under section 15304 in that the project consists of minor alteration to an existing parcel to be used for a dog park that will result in a negligible expansion of a use and with that staff recommends approval of the proposed dog run i know the applicant mr william he is also available and if you have any questions you can also ask him and that was my presentation thank you missy collie i don't have any questions of you i think your presentation was was clear and explain the project well if the applicant wishes to comment please raise your hand now and you'll be recognized so mr yee um wishes to be recognized if we can do so now um can you hear me yes oh i just i didn't have any additional comment i just wanted to make sure i was heard that's all thank you thank you so much um now it's time for any member of the public who wishes to comment on this matter uh please raise your hand and you'll be recognized see none i will uh i will close the public portion of this meeting um i'm pausing a little bit to give everybody a chance i see no but no one wishes to comment further um so uh my um my concern always uh with with outdoor dog parks or runs um will be compatibility with adjoining land uses and often dogs can i facilities dog runs that kind of thing um can have an impact on noise in the area um so i just want to clarify with the project planner that this this facility is for residents only um and uh it will be limited to daytime use only um and and um and that way avoid uh impacts to not only the surrounding or the adjoining land use or future development because of which i know it is a vacant lot um but also the the people living right next door to it um so if you would please just confirm that it's daytime use only and only for residents or it will be only used by the tenants of this apartment complex others like it from public will not be allowed here and they will have some certain rules that the management will need to let the name look at their tenants know like to comply with those rules that tenants the management will provide them so you are right i mean the right correct no other from outside of this residential apartment complex will be allowed and the average will be sunrise to sunset every day right thank you um so i i read previously a resolution um but um don't have it in front of me and give me a moment please i'm going to download that i apologize um could i say one thing one moment please sorry um okay um yes mr ye or who's speaking please this is mr ye the applicant oh okay uh i don't are you on the telephone all right um please go ahead oh i just wanted to speak to moneys point that um there will be signage clarifying that hours and pool is available to use the dot park thanks thank you um so i i will um now approve the requested uh use permit and um subject to the proposed recommended conditions of approval um this matter is also appealable uh the end of the appeal period is august 19th um and if you wish to do so please contact the project planner so this matter is approved and we can now go on to our next item on the agenda um item 3.3 the minor design review for 3076 marlowe road uh the project planner is also this c coli um if you can give your presentation thank you i'm going to share the new page okay there you go so um let me drink so as you mentioned mr gustafson this is a minor design review for the property located at 3076 marlowe road the proposal is for a fence that's going to be next to the creek and a shorter fence that is going to be a long parking lot a new trellis actually two new trellises new lighting planting and there will be some tree removal here is where the site is located the zone for this property is pd plan development and the general planned land use is multifamily residential the red line here shows the proposed fence that is going to be a long coffee creek the proposed fence went to waterways advisory committee on july 23rd for review and one of the comments that all the members of the committee had was to provide a gate to access the creek and the applicant has provided a fence on the south side of the greek to provide on the south side of the fence to access the creek and here on the side plant i'm trying to show where the fence and the gate will be located and on this upside here on the top side the applicant is trying to show the proposed fence that is going to be three and a half foot feet and it will be along the parking lot it will be behind the landscape area on the side to kind of provide screening for the parking area this is the fence that is going to be along the creek it will be a wrought iron fence it will be placed five feet from top of the creek it will be a see-through fence and as i mentioned it went to waterways advisory committee for the review i took these pictures i'm trying i will try to explain what they are on the upper left side is location where the fence will be placed no trees along the creek will be removed as a result of this fence the other pictures the two of the two of those pictures are showing existing trellises that they will need to be removed and replaced with the new trellis and also an area along along the pool where they have like a storage and equipment that one will also be replaced with the new materials the notes were sent out to neighbors and i did not receive any comments or concern regarding the proposed projects and this project is also exempt and qualifies for class one exemption under section 15301 in that the project consists of minor alterations to an existing structure and also it qualifies for class three exemption under section 15303 in that the proposed fence is an accessory structure and it's recommended by the planning and economic development department that the zoning administrator by resolution approve a minor design review permit for the property located at 3076 marlo drive i know the applicant are also available if you have any questions thank you thank you missy collie um i don't have any questions for you at this time does the applicant wish to comment if so please raise your hand you should have a prompt when you answer the prompt you'll be able to speak yes thank you thank you so much for hearing us really what what the project is attempting to do is sort of takes something that has been uh it's an more mature um project and it was done at a time um when they uh i i i guess somehow they didn't realize how big some of these trees were going to get on the property and so you have things like liquid ambers in two foot wide planters with with paving on each side and so these trees have grown up and heave the sidewalk they've changed the slope of patios i mean it's it's really kind of a mess and so we're it's our intent to go back in and replace remove these trees repair the damage that the root growth has done and then establish a new planting and in the process of that we'll be doing replacing some some of the landscape areas to to really kind of bring the property up to a much more sustainable lower water using and easily more easily maintained set of circumstances the shrub layer has been somewhat maintained but i mean it's time for a refresh for this project and that's what that's what this design is is attempting to do thank you thank you very much for your comment um is any other member of your team or wish to comment on this project otherwise i will um now turn to the public uh in attendance who may wish to do so any member of the public who wishes to comment on this project please raise your hand and you'll be recognized i'll now close the public meeting um yeah i like the word refresh it's really great to see a housing project like that which is really needed and valued in our community to to get a refresh an investment by the owners to help to ensure that the project is sustainable it's livable it it it will be a valued place for people to live in the future so that's great and i definitely understand the problems with liquid ambers they grow quickly and they but they can be quite disruptive so i think the strategy there is is really great but more to the point regarding um the fencing and such i think um the fencing that's proposed is is necessary it's it's completely logical for i wasn't mentioned but i would imagine for trespass preventing trespass intrusion and but also i think the replacement of the trellises and things like that really again will help to refresh the property and so i i encourage and applaud this and in doing so i will approve the recommended minor design review for this and subject to the conditions that were recommended by miss c collie so this matter is approved and um it too is subject to the uh 10-day appeal period which concludes on the 17th of august um very much thank you all right so now we move to item it's a minor design review and it's at 2835 center rosa avenue and the planner is mr ross mr ross if you can get your presentation on the screen and you can tell us about this proposed minor design review great thank you mr zoning administrator uh can you see the um the power point in full screen mode sure okay great yes um so as you said the item before you is located at 2835 Santa Rosa avenue it's a minor design review permit file number dr19-078 it's a Scandinavian design facade improvements it's an existing structure uh i believe it was the Toys R Us and it uh Scandinavian designs would now to would is is relocating to this location um so those facade improvements are specific to the new business um going in um again it's it's facade improvements um there's no change in space uh size they're not expanding the structure just the outside no parking uh changes or anything like that um the project site is located uh just it's uh just south of of um the uh i'm sorry that the shopping center name isn't coming to mind but it's it's between highway 101 um it's on this side of the um the uh south i believe this is north of here is the south side shopping center so it's the one right below that um and then you have the Costco shopping center kind of up in this area that's not pictured on the screen the um the zoning is cg and it's the general plan land use is retail and business service it's it's implement the use is appropriate for the zoning and the general plan land use designation here's a site plan of kind of the shape and of here that's lined here of what's existing on the site so this is the proposed uh front elevations um i'll let the applicant team kind of go over what's existing what's proposed now but a couple things that were discussed with staff on on the review as it came in originally uh as a different design um that staff wasn't uh supportive of and so they made some changes uh to to what it is now they they keep the tower element there are some faux windows uh located throughout the shopping center site that uh were originally taken out of the design but um as far as like an element to to carry over with the new design this is uh the applicant has just has kept um that intent there i think there's you know like festive lighting that's done during the holidays throughout the shopping center with these um some of the removal are are some of the uh columns as you see here's right here there are some columns um there would be some here that are being removed and a modification to the to the front interior um so currently it's all this trellis kind of impact right here that this is a new window right now it's just this little doorway so they're expanding it to bring in more natural light and there's this architectural feature that will go across the top um from the side and and the top of the uh the building um here's what the side between the freeway and the existing drive aisle and parking lot um on the uh west side of the of the building they're adding this new window here um uh just kind of to bring in some um natural light and just some some better aesthetic to the building itself this trellis um on the side remains and and that architectural feature uh carries over here um so with that the planning and economic development department recommends that the zoning administrator by resolution approve a minor design review permit for façade for the façade improvements for the property located at 2835 san rosa avenue i'm available for any questions and i also have the applicant team is here and they'll go over um the design as well in their presentation thank you mr ross and i don't have any questions for you right now um so applicant team if you wish to um augment mr ross's presentation please feel free to do so now yeah and uh i'm gonna pull up the presentation right there their uh presentation right now as well can everyone hear me yes we can yes hello i'm rachel kusumano i'm with ross leopard architects i'm the architect on the project and i'm gonna quickly just i think it's a good thing to roll through our general design approach and i'll hint on some further on some points that adam discussed here adam if you can go to i think the best sheet to look at would be a 511 in the project set right there if you want to kind of zoom in this is probably the best look at the existing to new comparison really when we were approaching the project there was a previous design and we we've made some modifications to satisfy some of the comments that were given our design approach in general is we're trying to preserve as much of the existing shopping centers massing heights forms and main elements that are critical to keep the shopping center tied together in that aesthetic but at the same time bringing in the design brand of skinny of designs which is this very minimal clean modern design and so when approaching it we're really trying to keep main elements like the tower and simplified a little bit by removing a little some of the ornamentation such as cornices and columns but keeping the full windows that was an ask from the city the the recess planner areas at the pedestrian level we're trying to keep and preserve as many of those openings as possible and we know that that's those are there mainly for human scale and to help break up the facade at that pedestrian level we're opening up at the ground level more transparency at the facade and currently it really feels dark under that entry tower element we really wanted to bring a little more active activation and visuals into the showroom the canopy element is a big design move it really it's it's there to to break up and create a little bit more visual interest for that upper facade the blank facade above the windows and openings and translate towards the west facade where it's currently very blank as you can see from the existing we're trying to bring instead of just stopping that element on the front face we're trying to bring it over and translate it to a very visual side of the building that right now feels very blank and shunned with a lot of passerbyers and vehicles that see it also what we're trying to do with this canopy element is hoping to screen in some way and help mitigate maybe some noise from that redwood highway so that pedestrians are a little more comfortable coming up and and moving around along the front of that plaza face i think the gesture creates a pretty elegant end cap to the complex we're at the very edge and end cap of the shopping center on that south side and so we wanted to do a big move in order to tie everything together on the west side that elevation that face is a highway we're also proposing a to open up the face of that building it's very blank currently and it doesn't really provide any activation and so we're trying to open it up and give some visuals into the showroom and provide a lot more daylighting into into a very large space that really doesn't have much fenestration currently but also trying to maintain those inset planter walls and some of those elements that exist within the whole complex canopies do exist throughout the complex not necessarily to the scale but a lot of the cornices and and smaller elements above entries and so forth have that same language and we really grasp onto the design guidelines where they seem to really push features that break up facades and as far as a material palette we really wanted to simplify the colors they're actually common grays and whites are common through the complex we really wanted to be able to bring the modern minimal approach of the brand to to this store individually as well and maintaining stucco and metal and aluminum storefront finishes that are also features written in the design guidelines as something very durable durable of high quality and low maintenance with that if unless there's any other questions for me I can open it back up thank you very much I think your presentation walked us through the design intent and materials form really well so I appreciate that I don't have any questions for you right now I would like now to provide opportunity for any member of the public and attendance to comment if so please raise your hand seeing none I will close the public meeting portion of this item all right so I really I really like if we could put on the screen again a sheet a 511 that would be a good talking point for me this the challenge we have with design review in a shopping center such as this that was basically built with a unified design concept including colors and materials and architectural elements that when a project like this comes in and begins to change or deviate from that original design template how does it do so and still be compatible or supportive I know the original design came in and there was concern about it and this design evolved out of that conversation with with the city I think this product or this this proposal does an excellent job with honoring the building massing that is expressed throughout this project so that tower element and and knowing that Scandinavian design as a brand is looking for modern simple clean I think what's been accomplished here is to express that design attitude or for a sentiment at the same time not completely depart from the the the form of the buildings within that commercial complex I am challenged by the by the canopy it's really bold it is a big design move but what I am really encouraged by what I really like is how this project really opened up the interior space with windows not just on the pedestrian side but also on the side facing towards the freeway and that monolithic wall is now broken up I really like how that canopy element wraps the corner and and then the color is is is referenced again on the on the window wrap that that to me is really it does a huge it's a huge improvement to that dead space that exists right now so I plot that so you know what what really I come down to now and the question I have is the stark contrast of the light of the building and then the black of the I'll call it well what is it is it a is it an eve or a a socket on the building could you comment on that and why the color is so dark can it be to be can it be brought down to a gray tone and not be as strong or or is that really the design intent the I can speak to that the the design intent is for it to be this kind of crisp clean contrast that's the palette of Scandinavian designs and kind of the Nordic design tradition um I I do think you know and typically we do specify a lighter more of a charcoal just because the stark black can can be difficult in some some environments in some context we can definitely show that a little bit more accurate um and then as far as the materials go the canopy will be primarily stucco with metal metal cladding around the edges and the white and and gray that you see even the existing would be painted it's all stucco which is the primary building material for the complex it's actually also an off-white the rendering show a very very very crisp contrast which is a little bit misled there's a material palette actually on sheet add them on sheet right there which is a little hard to read honestly digitally here it does look very dark and very light but the the eaves one material really is more of a cream color yeah I can see that thank you for pointing that out so um right next to it the darker gray color the gray color is that what the what how do you refer to that element is it a eave or is that the color that's proposed the look no that so that's the that's the gray and that's the gray that we're trying to match the existing complex has gray already in the little the main building portion and so we're we're trying to match that throughout and then the the the canopy right now we're showing as as black but we have we have material samples that we we swap out for more of a charcoal so a lighter okay so and I apologize if I'm confused can I can we go back to the elevation and can I can you explain so I better understand the interior the relationship of the interior space and the and the elevation if I'm looking at the upper right rendering of that north elevation the the left side is part of the project is is being painted that gray color that you you just showed the sample of and then the remaining I'll call it two-thirds of that elevation is in this more modern treatment that is white and black correct and then coming around the corner that gray is repeated again against the against the freeway or facing the freeway correct matching the existing oh okay thank you I I didn't appreciate that and now thank you for that clarification so I like that you the the you know the materials honor what the remainder of the shopping complex has um which which and then the color transition from the west side of your your your space to the tower kind of provides that transition and then and then in the corner I think you refer to it forms an end cap is this modern design which is very much kind of a brand-driven aesthetic that you're presenting here and then around the corner you you go back and transitions back towards a color that's I'll say less bold but certainly continues the design theme so I that that's strong so now I just kind of get back to how stark I mean I think the architectural element that you're adding to this is a big design move and my comment is that's that's fine it's always a challenge I think and I in thinking about this project when we have these commercial centers built with a highly unified design theme the challenge is once those projects or sites age the design theme uh sometimes suffer and and how do we encourage or promote the longevity of the project as new tenants come in and not completely saddle them with an old aesthetic so I believe your project shows how you can bring in a new more modern new more contemporary design and and kind of allow this center to evolve towards the future and not get be not be stuck in a design path so I applaud that and I think I'm not going to second guess the colors though I would suggest if it's within the design the palette or range of Scandinavian design to consider something less that appears to be a jet black architectural element I think it could be equally strong by stepping that down a little bit black like that is probably really difficult to keep clean I can imagine that over time it'll unless maintained constantly will will appear as soiled so I'm I'm I applied this approach I really like the moves that have been made to make this fit it's not completely yielding to or or or it's it's it's challenging but compatible with the design of the community of the community shopping center so I I am going to approve this project as proposed with a with a suggestion not a requirement that you look at a grade a color for the architectural element that I'm referring to as the soffit or or eve of the building that might not be as dark maybe it steps off of black in the same way as the the main white building steps off of a pure white sounds good thank you so thank you so much it's always again the theme of it's great to see companies residents investing in property and Santa Rosa to continue the viability of of our land uses here so thank you very much so that I think is the last item on our agenda because the last item 3.7 I believe I need to pull my agenda up was the hearing was requested and it's been continued recording secretary can you remind me was that continued to a date certain or not the the item that was continued uh there was a suggestion to potentially continue it for 30 days however um there was also the comment that it could be continued until the 20th well can you go to the end of the agenda or are you talking about the one yes this one was um a public hearing was requested and the matter has not been set for a hearing date correct so we did we did already put the hearing date in motion for august 20th on this item okay perfect thank you I just wanted to restate that okay good okay so this thing this will come back on the 20th we made that announcement at the start um we did continue one item um on park vista I believe it was it was also continued to the 20th uh yeah park vista court um so with that we've completed our agenda for July 6th and I will adjourn this zoning administrator meeting at what time 12 21 thank you all for your participation today have a great day bye bye