 Jax I don't think she our Gina Davis and Jeff Goldblum still married. No It appears a few weeks ago. Oh, this from to that 2014. I don't know why I knew that so quickly, but I didn't I do know that Yeah, no He was always talking about chaos theory and she got tired of it Yeah, but chaos theory was the was a club She said life better find a way to get the garbage out every week You'd say hey, you want pancakes today? And she'd say you know instead of talking about whether you could make pancakes You should have thought about whether you should She said that's it. That's better find a way to pay the alimony Jeff Gina Davis doesn't talk anything like that all the things I say about him my References to Jurassic Park and I your your imitation was actually not bad of Jeff Gold No, I Had a long time fan of mr. Goldblum and his work. Yeah, you're a ten speed brown shoe guy. They are straight. I Try to think of them No, I love you know, it's I keep forgetting he's in Jurassic Park because I remember most in to live and die in L.A. I Don't even know if I've seen that. I always think it was the Jurassic Park guy and the fly guy His brown shoe he was also he was ten speed was also unbearably pretentious in the life aquatic He was good in the fly The flies is It was on like a I don't know some cable channel when I was in a hotel room recently and I was like I haven't seen this in a while pretty disturbing very Yeah, like I knew that I remember the story sort of but just kind of like they're like kind of gory details and Very dark. You mean what he arm wrestles that guy in the bar? Oh And that you know just the whole kind of Transformation when he's spitting on the donut and then eating the donut and yeah That's something else, but he was great in Thor Ragnarok. I liked him in life aquatic with Steve Zee Sue. That was good Just good He's kind of the same in everything, but I'm okay. It's because when you hire him you're hiring Jeff Goldblum You want him to be him? I'm down with it It's like I'm like, you know It's I Just love our initials. It's like TM Lane Not being confused Actually, you know if you weren't paying attention It looks like a trademark like Lane Scott is the name of the production. Yeah, Lane Scott. That's pretty good That's like a actor from Old Westerns. Yeah starring Lane Scott That was a lash LaRue His name was lash LaRue Yeah, cuz you got Tom's little TM at the end. That's good Lane Scott production TM. No, I I was looking at this early. I think well, this will keep us in our lane get it cuz I It's rubbing off Tom it's rubbing off I love lane jokes I actually it's not like something that like no, I know But yes, I've heard them all I can't help it Hey, Sarah lives down the lane. That was a great thing Merit the carrot Wait, what the Merit the parrot Those are the two words that we don't rhyme with your last name. So we will call you them Hey, Roger Rabbit. That's my other one peeping Tom, which I Availure yeah, you didn't get like Roger Dodger. Yeah from people were over 40 Roger did do you still have me selected because everyone's saying they can only see me and not oh, I'm sorry All right, Sarah say something. Hi. How's everybody doing today switch for me? Yeah, it's what what Roger does affects the outgoing stream. It doesn't affect. Oh does it personal views Interesting. Yep Then how would you know Tom because the chat room told me because the chat room? Yeah, yeah Well, thank goodness for them. They're good at that telling me. Yeah Quality assurance It's job one It is I feel like slowly all of the power in my home will just Shut down and I'll sit in the dark candle lit Hello Internet cable no use Podcasts by candlelight that could be kind of a thing Daily tech news show after dark. It's like the quiet store So quiet about a storm anyway, usually they're pretty noisy. No, that's the whole point of the phrase Roger You just explained why why the phrase exists. Is there any I mean, I'm just spitballing but like, you know, just thinking of like Fun stuff we could do for labs. Yeah, you know, that would be one off or whatever. Oh, it's like is there any besides kind of the voyeuristic thing is like is there any Benefit that anybody would get from like watching One of us put together headlines or let's talk about this after the show. I like this I like where you're headed with this. All right, cool. Oh, sorry 130. Yep. Yep All right, here we go Hello, are you beautiful people the daily tech news show is brought to you by you You can find out more that daily tech news show calm and we thank you for your support This is the daily tech news for Wednesday February 21st 2018 from DT us headquarters in Los Angeles on Tom Merritt and from studio feel on 2.0 I'm Sarah Lane and from I think I finally got the right food for the cat in Utah Scott Johnson. Hi Yeah, problem with your cat He wasn't he I think the food was giving him the runs. So we got that And there's nothing better than a cat with the runs. I'm telling you right now So I'll tell you what's better than cat with the runs our producer Roger Chang quite a bit better Hi praise because I forgot the February isn't it I Didn't say anything I didn't say anything Aggressively put a lot of exclamation points after it and then run down. Yeah, might be all caps and everything Yes, no, no, I took a modem 80 so we should In response to Qualcomm raising it's offered to buy an XP semiconductor Broadcom is lowering its offer to buy Qualcomm Hope you can keep up here for from 121 billion to 117 billion Wow What nice shaving off of the price Qualcomm has declined Broadcom's offer We've talked about this quite a bit on the show already But Broadcom has nominated members to Qualcomm's board who will be voted on at a shareholder meeting on March 6th Well, unless Unless it doesn't unless it doesn't Shadow the game streaming service mentioned on this show quite a bit actually from France It's France's company called blade is launching in California and its first US market The service gives you access to a virtual Windows PC You can use to run steam on or whatever you want basically just a virtual computer promises low latency Blade has apps for Mac windows and Android with iOS coming soon. The service is gonna cost you between 35 and 50 a month. I am Excited to see whether this is any good or not Verge said their tests were buggy and a French listener backed that up in an email to us So we'll see we'll see AT&T announced that it will begin mobile 5g service in parts of Atlanta Waco, Texas and Dallas, Texas this year You'll get 5g service in those three places with nine more cities to be announced in the coming months However, we're not sure what you're gonna use to access the service because most of the devices of the few that will Support 5g aren't coming out until 2019 in an effort to combat bots Twitter has banned developers from using systems that simultaneously post identical or substantially similar tweets from multiple counts at once Twitter also appears to have suspended thousands of accounts for being bots Good, maybe that's why my follower count went down. I'm fine with that now. I don't feel so personally Dist I don't mind being less popular with bots Exactly. Well, it's like anytime you lose more. I mean unless you said something like that's really going to be controversial online Anytime, you know kind of like a number above a hundred, you know shows up. It's like it's a bot killing session Let's talk a little more about the mineral cobalt Scott All right, I like the mineral cobalt It's fine. Oh Lovely blue because I'm next here. Yes. That was a toss to your next story Bloomberg's say Apple is in talks to purchase. That's right cobalt Not the mineral but the well anyway, we'll get to that. Yes the mineral. I mean the mineral That's really what I mean cobalt direct directly from miners in order to avoid Avoid a shortage of the ingredient necessary to make lithium ion batteries. Gosh, I can't imagine what they'd need those for An expected boom in electric cars could cause a shortage in cobalt supposedly Apple wants to secure several thousand Metric tons of cobalt a year for five years or more South Korean oil refinery SK innovation recently agreed to buy all of Perth's I don't know you say that last name scony. I guess I that's scony mine cobalt for nickel for up to 13 years Cobalt and nickel they're locking up all the cobalt and nickel coming from scony mine in Perth, Australia for 13 years Which is a problem because the rest of the world's cobalt mostly comes from Congo Congo has been in disarray for a long time There's a dictatorship there there's strife the civil war is brewing and That is where a lot of The child labor created minerals come from which means if you want to have conflict free like apple does You need to be very careful about who you buy your cobalt from so This is this is going to be a problem for a lot of companies because it takes a little bit of cobalt to make a lithium Ion battery for a phone takes a lot more I think something on the order of a thousand times more To make the lithium ion battery for an electric car You always told me that the future would be about water wars now You're telling me it's cobalt wars and we should get ready. Yeah, why can't it be both? Let's have both That's short of everything Okay, if you think ubers are too expensive You have another option because the company launched a cheaper ride hailing service called uber pool express It's similar to uber pool and that's where you're sharing rides with other people for a little bit of a discount But you're heading in the right direction But to smooth out the route express will require you to walk up to two blocks for your pickups It's kind of you know, it's getting closer to public transportation Every day the option is available in boston san francisco los angeles san diego And denver and we'll expand to more cities on thursday Yeah, I made the joke on the morning stream this morning that it's like buses for uber Everybody always says it's like uber for something else. Uh, but yeah, this really is sort of A midway between ride hailing and a bus service, but the routes aren't fixed. They're always different So I guess that's the difference I just wonder how many of these things are going to be seven passenger eight passenger suvs or vans because it doesn't seem like you're going to Take as a driver of this service. It doesn't so I can take as much advantage of Um, what you're going to get for the lower prices without having higher capacity So I just don't expect to see a bunch of little sedans doing this I don't mind the up to two blocks. I mean, yeah, sometimes I've got luggage or whatever and most of the time that would not be super inconvenient I don't I've taken uber pools before and yeah It's you know, hey if you want to save some money, it's fine But it really depends on who you're sharing the car with You know, you can kind of ignore anybody or be friendly and talk to them But it does change the experience, you know, you're aware of someone else being in the car and where they're going and the whole thing so, um I don't know. It's I some people love uber pool. I even Try not to use it that much. That's just because I'm you know, weird with others And I guess even if you can only have three in your car at a time You're always dropping one off and then another one may be added To the end of your route. So even a sedan might work Scott Yeah, well, I mean, if you're like me, I feel like sarah and I are on the same page here I don't like people so I don't want to sit next to a bunch of people This is the way it is I would rather be in the back seat of somebody's nice onto the cord And pay a little extra for it then be all jammed into a you know, a big van Not when you're made of money like you are that's an option of the pools I've taken and you know, it's probably I can count them on one hand There was only one where I was like, you know, I don't like these people in this pool with me You know, it gave me a funny feeling but ever since then I'm like You know, you got to be near people and sarah shouted everyone out of the pool everybody out Yesterday we talked a bit about preparing for a world where video can be convincingly faked using some ai tools Later that day later yesterday a report titled the malicious use of artificial intelligence Forecasting prevention and mitigation was published by more than two dozen experts From institutes including the future of humanity institute the center for the study of existential risk and elon musk's Non-profit open ai they all got together on this paper co-author miles brundage He's from the future of humanity institute told the verge He sees the paper as a call to action and the paper makes five recommendations to combat future problems So one of the things we mentioned yesterday was The really important thing is that we take action now to mitigate these threats before they become a problem This paper says here are five things you need to do Ai researchers should acknowledge how their work can be used maliciously right from the get-go. Don't deny it Policy makers need to learn from technical experts about those threats So acknowledge them so that we can figure out what they are teach policy makers about them The ai world needs to learn from cybersecurity experts how best to protect its systems So tell us what the threats are inform the policy makers how they work and then start working with the experts to shut them down Ethical frameworks for ai need to be developed and followed So once you've figured out how to combat them Do it And finally more people need to be involved in these discussions not just scientists and policy makers But also ethicists businesses and the general public So we all get more well informed about what the risks are and how to stop them I don't know a single ethicist There's your problem Exactly. It's like I would really like to bounce a lot of this stuff off of somebody who is I'm a certified ethicist I'm gonna say something that's gonna sound ridiculous if you haven't seen the show But if you want to brush up a moral philosophy in ethics watch nbc's the good place Hmm. Uh, that's the christin bill. Yes. Yeah It is basically one of the characters is a an ethical philosopher a moral philosopher And it's pretty much entirely about ethics Yeah, the entire the entire Scope of that show or at least it feels like it's all writing on that like that All like hypothetical questions about ethics and about morals and about good and about wrong and they bring Principles from my philosophy classes in college into the show as elements of humor. It's kind of amazing pretty fascinating I'm all for for this idea though um There are enough really smart people, uh, who are all also in the world of ai and building ai that are nervous About the future of ai and wanting to put things into place to safeguard So i'm willing to listen to them this kind of stuff makes me both, uh, a little nervous about the future But it also makes me happy that some people are concerned and you know, they have ideas. So I'm taking their advice All right qualcomm back in the news again, but this is totally different Showed off a reference design for a vr headset using its snapdragon 845 chip the snapdragon 845 Extended with an axe reality platform is meant for standalone vr and ar headsets The chip can support sensors and cameras to provide six degrees of freedom movement controls and simultaneous localization and mapping Also known as slam the 845 chip promises 30 faster graphics 30 better power efficiency and double the display throughout speed Compared to the 835 it can handle 2k resolution per per eve and per eye Every night per eye and foveated rendering and that's also a word. I had to look up earlier today Yeah, fovea rendering is that thing where it only renders what it can tell you're looking at So it doesn't have to waste time rendering stuff. You're never gonna see stuff that you're only getting little snippets of anyway, right Very cool Yeah Also, it's kind of welcome to the club. I was looking the other day at just the breadth of Well, mostly mixed reality headsets now, but there are tons of them I can get one at del I can buy three or four of them based on microsoft platform I can go check out whatever's going on with oculus and the rift or revive rather And then I can go down some really weird sort of chinese manufacturer roads and find some stuff I think this is good for vr the more people get in the better and you know hold on Qualcomm's not getting into a lot of those things you just mentioned are powered by snapdragon 835 That's a good point. This is qualcomm saying. Hey, we got a new one for you and it's going to make things even better Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, I mean I guess what i'm saying is the more that the industry whoever that is if they supply chips for them great If that's qualcomm that's intel that's whoever if they're gpu side if they're Optic side whoever it is the more we hear about it. That means the more works being done Which means the closer we're getting to something that doesn't look like a giant box on your face Well, especially with power efficiency, right because part of the standalone problem is power is battery You know making that thing work without a cable is huge need more cobalt You do Everybody's going to need more cobalt soon We uh, do you think the patrons would mind if we took a little of our patreon money and invested in cobalt? Let's buy a mine to buy it up 13 years. Yeah hours Exactly, uh, well, okay. So qualcomm's out there saying like we've got the chip to build your stuff But qualcomm isn't selling it super cheap. I mean they they strike deals with manufacturers Here's a story. That's the other end of the spectrum the next webs Abhimanyu ghost ball has a story about how three years ago 13 year old sword art online fan So this kid was a fan of the anime Said I want to have a vr headset, but I cannot afford a vr headset. So Maxime Coutté of france Uh decided to build one got a couple of his friends from school and his math teacher to help him And now three years later. He's 16 years old. He has open sourced his tech both the software and the hardware Uh, so that you can build your own vr headset play steam vr games Uh, the 3d printed headset has a 5.5 inch 25 60 by 1440 screen with 90 degree field of view leap motion hand tracking Uh, he developed his own software called wormhole Wrmhl to enable low latency communication between unity 3d and arduino He created a piece of software called fast vr to help developers add vr support more easily into their games Uh And he did this so that he could use low powered components To fit into his hundred dollar budget. He was sourcing parts from china Uh, if you want to take a look at the project, you can find it on github. It's called relative r e l a t i v We'll have a link to the next web story in the show notes If you want to look a little more about what he's doing the other interesting thing about this story is There was a startup accelerator founder in france kind of took him under his wing as a mentor And he convinced maxime not to start a business He said look that's going to be a pain. I wish I hadn't when I was your age Let me take you to silicon valley and show you So he flew the kid to silicon valley took him to facebook. He meant the the project head of oculus Uh, and sort of had everybody tell him like yeah at your age Just work on making stuff like don't add the complexity of becoming an entrepreneur yet Have fun and learn as much as you can then you could start the business later I thought that was really interesting. Yeah, and also it's like don't get too good at this, sir Well the oculus guys, you're right You know qualcom 845, you know his mentor didn't have that conflict of interest, but that's a fair point. Yeah Well, look if you a school job probably not that hard for him to get if somebody's looking for a really smart guy in vr, but i'm super impressed with this his prototypes and stuff that you see in that article are Uh, how do I put this cleaner less tangled up less of a mess than any of that earlier oculus stuff Now he has the benefit of you know seeing how a lot of this Is using tools that weren't there before in some cases writing his own in other cases But it's freaking impressive And uh, I love seeing this sort of thing. So my guess is could be wrong I think he's got a nice career ahead of him whether he wants one or not Yeah, and the and and it was all of these folks advising him like maybe don't start a company yet you'll burn out is what Kind of moved him to do it open source and now That he's open sourced it and he convinced his friends and his math teacher to go along with it He's realizing the benefits of the open source project He's like suddenly this thing is improving much faster than I ever could have improved it on my own Uh, because he's in a small town. I think it's savon Savin s but it's it's not a big area So he would have had to work really hard and not not that he isn't working hard But he would have had to add the hard work of learning how to run a business on top of this Now he's got an open source project That at any point he can use to launch his own business because he has insight into it that nobody else has Not only that you've got a the future of vr is probably a lot like the current state of building your own computers like we'd like to get to a place where We don't need to deal with a specific brand in their own little garden and only use the stuff they make We were we're in a much much more interested Interesting place if we stay open source with this sort of thing. So I think he's already on track to be a part of that Maybe even spearhead it. So Well done 16 year old. Yeah, I didn't vote yet and you don't even live in the states I don't know what they vote in france, too. Yeah, they have a democracy. Yeah, that's true. They're so smart Even for living in france Even for france. I know that That's mostly for patrick. Take that. Yeah. Yeah, the u.s. Copyright office is taking comments on a 2015 exemption that lets gamers and researchers circumvent copyright protection in order to play games that need internet authentication to work now the exemption allows Working around authentication, but does not allow recreation of the servers So in other words, they want to be able to to use this old stuff without actually creating the servers Think world warcraft think games that are that are persistent and online And you got to authenticate to get in and these would be games that are gone like city of heroes or many many many others I get blessed the museum of art and digital entertainment or entertainment rather or Made I love that wants to expand the exemption to allow the preservation of not just local multiplayer and land games But also games that require this centralized internet server kind of solution As I mentioned before the entertainment software association argues against this Saying it would allow simulated or excuse me simulating proprietary code That was never meant to be made public In other words the museum or made says that they just want to preserve the games for study and the esa says bs to that They don't they don't think that's what they want. They think they want to use them for recreational play by the public Copyright office will office will make its recommendations in october and i'm going to make a statement here that is going to surprise people You'd think oh scott your pro games pro preservation and pro all that and that's true i am Uh, but what they are essentially asking the makers of these now defunct Server authentication based games. They're asking them to give away The keys to how stuff is made It's like if imagine tomorrow netflix says we're canceling the service. It doesn't exist anymore Thanks, everybody. It's been a great time and then later people are like well We have the clients but they can't connect anything so we need to make a whole netflix full of movies and everything So we can all have netflix again I don't think you ever get a service based Portion of this industry to budge on that now laws may change and they'll be forced to i don't know But i don't think it's ever going to happen That's not to say that these things aren't worth study or worthy of study But you're also talking about products and kinds of products where the companies who own them Who created them who made them and marketed them and then pulled them have every right in the world to later Reintroduce them as remastered or we're gonna start it over or we're gonna you know do something new But we're gonna use the same code base. I don't think you can reasonably ask them to just give all that stuff up And say it's for the good of study Well, hold on the museum isn't asking them to give all that stuff up They're not asking them to give up the right or the copyright on their material They're saying let us circumvent copyright protections that prevent us from studying these games That's all they want. That's all they want. That's all they're saying what the esa is saying is sure you say that But we don't believe you and if we give you the right to study it Then you're going to use it for other things and to me it's pretty clear cut Uh copyright protection laws are over strong These exemptions are meant to correct for that and this is an area that needs correction You can't study an old game without the company's permission. That's a clear Effect on the public good So give an exemption for study and make sure the exemption says hey if you start, you know Given this to the public then that's too much. Yeah, but it's a little like saying we need to study your world famous Uh Steak salad you make at some restaurant. They're like well to do that you're gonna need our recipe and to do that You're gonna have our secret. They're not asking for the recipe. They're not asking for the game companies to do anything They're saying we can circumvent this on our own But it's illegal. Please make it legal for the purpose of study But I would just agree with you because that's what they're doing. They by giving them Access to this stuff. It's not giving access. They already have the access. It's just illegal for them to use it All right, so giving them legal access to it means they now can legally Backwards uh, what's the word about reverse engineer net code and they could already do that I know they're just saying make it legal for us to study it It's it's it's stuff. We can already do Just make it legal for us to actually use it for academic purposes and limit it to academic purposes I also think it's I mean, it's a real gray area for the esa to say Well, you're either studying it or you're just playing for fun. You know, like there's so much crossover there It's like saying like if you go to a library and just read a buck like you're not learning anything You're just you know, just checking out for you. You know, it's like, well, no, they're not mutually exclusive I don't I don't think you could argue like that everyone's going to you know, do one or the other like Recreational use is studying on some level At least for some people. Well, yeah, of course it is the the the the only the last thing I'd say about this Is if something like city of heroes is the exact example we're talking about Nobody has that source code. Nobody has that server code. Nobody has that net code So whoever owns that still Isn't just going to let somebody have it to study it because studying it means also knowing enough about it To then use it to build other people to build from it to use trade secrets They're not going to why would they ever want they're not asking for trade secrets? That's all I'll say asking for it They're saying we already can do this you you aren't protecting anything Except the ability to punish us for studying for doing academic studies Then if that case then there's nothing to study because they don't give away the software It's already it's not there's plenty to study There's plenty to show and just showing a museum like this is how it worked You can show old books. You can show old movies and museums. Why can't you show old games because they make it illegal for you to run them? Yeah, I don't know. I understand the usa's point I think that they've got a point and I think it's going to be hard They're going to be hard pressed to not I think what I love most is that scott and I just had an argument We totally did and what's funny is we are Opposite We're usually on the opposite side of this issue. Like I am pro. Yo get it out there. Everybody should have roms Let's do it preserve video games. I don't know about the server stuff. Yeah. All right Uh, well folks if uh, you have thoughts on this email us feedback at daily tech news show dot com And if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com Which is available also as a flash briefing on the amazon echo on google home and in the anchor app What is our thing of the day sarah glad you asked tom so people anybody who travels goes to airports knows that you Got to keep your bags with insight, right? You don't want anybody walking off of them You don't want anybody leaving their bag anywhere But there is a limit to this and the amateur traveler will explain more Yes, he will as soon as I get his file ready Yeah, uh, no because you were so mad at scott No one I forgot to get it queued up. It is exactly why I wasn't mad. I was just so into it. So Take it away chris Please Any time now This is chris christensen from amateur traveler with another tech in travel minute So an interesting story through travel and leisure magazine from the shanghaiest About one woman at dong wang east railway station in china Who took the admonition that you should be very careful at security to make sure you keep an eye on your bags A little too seriously perhaps She wouldn't let go of her bag To put it through the x-ray machine because apparently she had a fair amount of cash in it And so she hung on to her bag and went through the x-ray machine Now I don't recommend doing that But the interesting part and the technology angle of this is how bad is that apparently The x-rays in the security things have about a tenth of a day's worth of natural background radiation You probably won't give cancer immediately from doing that once I still don't recommend it because apparently it's fairly easy to get stuck I'm chris christensen from amateur traveler. I'm glad I I got that to play because that is the weirdest thing I've heard in a long time Can't you Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I guess you can't you couldn't just stuff the cash in your pockets because you've got to take everything out of your pocket So I'm sorry, but I don't think you should allow her to go through there. I'm wondering how she actually got through Yeah, I'm like I'm curious. I'm so skeptical about the veracity of this story. I guess is what I'm saying I mean the next time I go through tsa. I'm just gonna be like, you know, I'm gonna Keep my bag with me. It's got an iphone in here and some cash. Yeah, I just don't want it to Although I will say yes, it sounds like she took it a little bit too far, but When I do go through tsa, which is quite often and I got expensive podcasting equipment and the whole thing It's like I'm always in a panic Until everything is back in my hand on the other side because when your bags are ahead of you Oh, yeah, you just think like somebody can walk off with my macbook. What am I gonna do about it? Yeah, I think oh, sorry scott. I've had somebody walk off with my stuff before not intentionally Oh, they felt bad after and the bags are similar and so it it can happen I don't think anyone's trying to be nefarious, but I cannot stand getting behind people. It's just like, oh my gosh I'm over here talking to a dude put my arms up and my bag is going that way and it's not that's not a great feeling Hey, thanks to all those who participate in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit.com and facebook.com Slash groups slash daily tech news show. Wow real quick check on the mail bag Stephen wrote in and said I just wanted to include in the discussion of possibly not needing an ad blocker with krum's new Blocking I use u-block origin for its ability to protect against Malvertizing I love that term also the developer has already added blocking of the coin hive monero related background Cryptocurrency mining which we've talked about in a previous show as well Yeah, they just found some cryptocurrency mining was happening on an unprotected amazon web server instance from tesla They've shut that down But yeah, the the crypto advertising thing is crazy and I have never used it myself But u-block origin has some pretty wide-ranging good recommendations from people So thank you, Stephen for letting us know about that and thank you to scott johnson who I learned today is six four Because we've actually never met in person. I just feel like I hang out with you so much I was like, have we not met in person? I just didn't know you were that tall besides your height. What else is going on? Well, I thought you were much top. No, I didn't I it's everybody listen. We're all one big happy human family Really different all shapes and sizes There's a lot going on a lot of cool stuff if you would like to follow my things You can do that at frogpants.com all the podcasts are there the video stuff I do all that stuff's there and if you are interested in seeing what I have to say on social media You can follow me at scott johnson on twitter. Thank you scott. Thanks to everybody who supports this show We are making some progress but we need your help to make sure that we get to one more patron than last month yesterday We needed 19 Today, uh, we've gotten three more. Uh, so just need you to take a moment Go to your computer patreon.com slash dts a dollar a month You'll never even miss it and it helps us out quite a bit. So please if you haven't already Back us and if you have thank you for backing us at patreon.com slash dts If you have anything you want to talk to us about questions comments The works our email address is feedback at daily tech news show dot com We're live monday through friday at 4 30 p.m. Eastern 21 30 utc And you can find out more at daily tech news show dot com slash live back tomorrow with justin robber young talk to you then This show is part of the frog pants network Get more at frogpants.com I hope you have enjoyed this brover Could have you could have left that second email in I guess Uh, we had 45 more seconds to play with 159 Boom, that's rare. I know It's good though. It's good. We had a good discussion scott. Yeah, there's there's we could probably have more on that Yeah, definitely I was I was leaving out any Consiliation to your points for time because you were making you're making your points really well And it's like yeah esa does have a point. You were right Yeah, I think they'll fight that one till they can't and maybe they won't but maybe but I do think there needs to be an exemption I don't think any association any company should be able to say like Something that old right? There's this is this is all built on a much more complicated Series of thoughts on my end that we had time to get into but first of all copyright is too long And one of the mitigations against that being so long are these exemptions? And one of the things is hey when a game is now 20 years old It is rife for study. It's historical preservation if I want to put Say An online let's say world of warcraft, right? I know they they make vanilla servers But I want to have a pure instance of world of warcraft that you can play in a museum Available for academic study for people to write papers on which maybe that sounds silly to you But people thought it was silly to study movies, you know back in the early part of the 20th century It's part of our cultural history and you need to be able to do that I shouldn't be breaking the law as a historian To make that happen so I can show how it happened any more than like reconstructing a model of Of a pyramid shouldn't you know put me in violation of egyptian copyrights and trade secrets, right? You need to have a limited exemption there And it doesn't have and and what I was trying to go on your proprietary code thing is This isn't your this isn't they don't want to distribute code and they already know how to do it So you're not like saying give them help or give them something you're saying carve out a limited exemption that says in these cases you can do this Where that line is drawn is up for a lot of debate. Yeah, and you threw a couple interesting wrinkles in it There's questions like okay. Well, what is the time frame like 20 years ago? There were no online servers to study so that authentication layer wasn't there so Those you know, we're not even there yet. So what's that time? I don't know what that time is on the other hand If you get to a place where It is 20 years later. Well, that makes sense to me But in the case of the wow example They still make a game based on a lot of that code base And so for them to come in and say well world of warcraft is now 15 years old or whatever the time is So that's now open for us to study that initial Code. What are we talking about 1.0 code? Are we talking about any of the patches? Yeah, let's say we're talking about 1.0 code. I mean, it is a more complex example You could find examples of code like city of heroes. It's just gone, right? Right, that's just not being used and I get to to your side of the argument I get where companies say well, look we still own that code We still in that copyright and we want the right to decide Like maybe we're going to want to put out into nostalgia servers, right? And we don't want a museum undermining the marketplace for that that is an absolutely fair argument So carve out the exemption in a way that doesn't undermine that Yeah, if that's possible because they'll still be running a game based on the same Code a lot of it. It hasn't changed that much since well launched Well, and a lot of the argument has to do with the the museum is asking for an overbroad exemption They're saying we want to make it available online to affiliate researchers And there's some argument to say that well now hold on this is really starting to feel like a slippery slope But if you say if I think it would be absolutely fair to say, okay You can make it available in a room and it can't be accessible outside that room And I think it should be broader than that But if you start there like how can you object to that? Yeah, there's probably a there's probably a happy place there I just think it gets so much more complicated when there's suddenly a server between when it's mario kart who cares But then again, you have modern mario kart that's working on servers and multiplayer servers So one day we'll have the same conversation about mario exactly right do that. So yeah, I don't know All right, so uh scott and tom had an argument That's a terrible. That's a terrible title Uh sick of ubering try Sick of ubering try walking apples cobalt blues What's it? What's our title? We're I need a I need the title. What's the one? What's the best one? So hold on hold on. I just found it. Give me a minute. Uh, it was right here right here I know just read them all roger No, the wheels on the uber pool go round and round That's pretty cute. That's cute. I like that. I like it or apples cobalt blues Oh, that's clever too, but they're not really blue It's they've got the blues because they might not get enough cobalt and cobalt is blue Blue it's I like the color cobalt blue We used apple in the headline yesterday though didn't the wheels on the uber pool go round and round All right goes done I do like, um, zoe brings bacon suggestion. No a good ethicist And the answer is no if any of you are ethicists I want to hear from you Feedback a daily tech news show.com. No a good ethicist. Tell me what you do all day, you know Yes Can we can we do no a good ethicist roger? Okay. It's just snappy I like it Power well Not that we need to go on and on about it, but in my head. I was worried that roger Uh, would be mad that I wanted to change the title And you pick a title Exactly exactly and that you we picked your title and you went oh power and in my head it was like Wow, sarah like really drunk on power I can always choose the title. I'm completely aware of what's happening tom. I just choose to You know, he's uh, you know, he's he's he's marching to the beat of his own drum I believe is the uh the The term but I think roger roger is probably just saying no drums Yeah, no drums too much too much No, besides my stupid I don't know. You know what your chord worked your chord worked. I know I noticed it. Um Because Nobody stuttered for me either which sometimes happens and I'm like Am I starting for them or is it just you know one of the so it was the ethernet port It's down like a uh weirdly mechanical thing because it was never it never fell random when it would happen. I would go a I'm totally normal and then a like it wasn't like a weird mix. It was like one thing it did and one thing only But I heard it. Well, all right. So now this is the fun part. So I've got a 100 foot black ethernet cable So too long and too black So now I need to get a Slightly shorter or I don't know 25 footer or a 50 I think more than 25 because my camera ones are 25 You can just coil it up under your desk. It's true. Yeah, it doesn't I mean But I do think it needs to be white Because if it's why you won't even see it down at the bottom, you know, because everything else is white So I hear you so we'll just we'll I I considered thinking okay Well, what if I move my modem and my router into the studio? Because I mean, what else do I got like my apple tv? It's like that's wi-fi anyway, but Then it's just going to be another problem over there. Yeah. Yeah. No, I I wouldn't change too many other variables right now Now that you got it figured out Well, good. So, yeah, it's just a little window dressing, but uh, hopefully we've cracked the code and also, um To everybody who emailed with like suggestions or like, hey, you know, something seems a little bit off. Um, thank you And hopefully uh smooth ceiling from here. Whoo. Whoo smooth Whoa Well now Scott wait no Sarah what were you talking about right before the show began? Oh a labs idea. Yeah. Well, okay, so this is It's not super fleshed out. And in fact, even if I fleshed it out There's not a whole lot to it, but We do get a fair amount of suggestions from people saying like, hey, you know, it'd be nice to see everybody set up You know, kind of go through how things are connected and and kind of just how we all do this show You know, because you know behind the scenes because otherwise we're all just sitting here, hopefully with good connections So I thought all right. Well, for example, I'm like a headline day Headlines are not there's no video involved, right? Um, and that's a good thing but Is that something that somebody would want to be able to like almost like Check in on like almost like drop cam style Or is it just going to be someone sitting at a computer not being very interesting until You actually get in front of the microphone. I don't know. I'm kind of just thinking like is there some added value To all of the stuff that we're doing all day because it's obviously time and energy intensive That our community would Enjoy kind of seeing a little bit more of Yeah, and there's this new patreon thing called lens where you can do snapchat style videos Uh that go only go to the patrons Of course that requires us we only have one account to log in and I told patreon yesterday again like please multiple accounts I don't want to campaign. They know it's on their list. Uh, but That that's one thing you could do for stuff like that. You could just you know, you could do little little short videos and stuff but yeah, um, I Don't do video of daily tech headlines particularly because I do video of so many other things that I want to complicate it more But what you're talking about isn't like producing right? It's more like It's more of like behind the scenes like if you want to check in it's like a cube cam, you know 2.0 or whatever point Oh, um But I don't know, you know, I don't know I I Just thinking of stuff where it's like hey if we're already doing this and people Um, you know Some of some of some of the dTNS community is like, yeah, I like that behind the scenes stuff It's like, you know, we're not besides patreon and yes We have our social media accounts and and we can ramp all that stuff But but is there some I don't know video feed that would be Kind of fun for people to have access to Well, I think what we should do is put a webcam on your desk And call it the sarah cam and put it on a web page on the site and it'll be consistently the number one web page on tech tv.com Uh, well, see that's the thing is like I don't necessarily want that But it's like I know that some people like that sort of you know, it's like again I I this idea is not super fleshed out. What if it was variable? What if it was a series of Of behind the scenes video in that style But it wasn't all every day, right? Because what I'm thinking is like maybe the the The novelty wears off for headlines After a while and you're like, I just want better audio version of the headlines. Can you just give me a real produced video version of the headlines? Uh, so what if you like, oh, here's how I do headlines today and you can talk to it a little before etc Etc. Do the headlines then the next day. It's like, oh here. I here's here's me preparing the the rundown or here's me setting up my cameras like We we could do like a different one every month. Maybe do Do we um And I know you said, uh, you know headlines aren't video in part just because you're you know trying to Focus on all the stuff you have to focus on already Do we? Like the idea of there being a video version if the bandwidth worked And I mean personal bandwidth not yeah, yeah bandwidth. I don't think it benefits much from that I mean, I'm sure there's some people who are like, I like listening on youtube. That would be fun I'm just not sure that a regular video version of headlines Put it this way. I'm willing to be convinced otherwise, but sure. Yeah. Well, I think that um I don't want to have to do it It's right, right. Well, and I you know, that's right I'm like, then I got a shower so early in the morning. My gosh. Yeah, but but um But but I also I know that Especially all our time at twid. It's like even if people Really only listen to the audio. It's like it is a nice option Right because you you already have people who are like, but I like video You know, that's why we do video version of daily tech news show. Sure and it As we have noticed, uh, you know Triples or more the complexity of it Yeah, well and and also so when I did headlines is not exactly like crunch report Which is a show. I used to do a tech crunch, right, but um, but it's they're similar, right? you know kind of running through some stories big stories of the day and That You know doing that video, which is just me talking to the camera Um that part of it isn't hard, but there's so much b-roll that gets added in so you're not just looking at me the whole time It's like you actually want to see me as little as possible and we're you know showing Uh, you know websites and video and blah blah blah and so it's like You know No one none of us in the group as it stands now has the time to do that so I'm not exactly I'm not exactly sure how it would get executed in a way where we'd be like Yeah, we're really proud of this the video makes sense, you know, it would be more of just like that talking head Or maybe I could just become super good at editing Editing the show the more I talk through this the more I'm like, what are you sorry? I quit it. No, we're not Let's just keep it. I I like the the like regular behind-the-scenes videos though. Yeah Because they're they're one-offs in series So you never get tired of either watching or doing the thing because it's always something different, right? Yeah, exactly. I also like Just the I don't know. I mean the kind of like drop cam or whatever aspect Of something that you can kind of check on all the time. Yeah, I like that but it's like I just worry that because it's like this isn't you know an office It's like I live here and I'm just going to forget and I'm going to walk through the room in my underwear And it's just going to be a whole thing. No, exactly. I I have I have a drop cam down here That I could easily set up and be like, oh, it's the studio drop cam. But then yes one day I'm going to walk down here and You know not fully dressed or or start singing a stupid song or something which people are like, that's great Please do that. But yeah, yeah Well, that wouldn't work for me to mention twit again It's like I remember at a certain point. It was like we turned off the audio on all the drop cams Because it was like wait a second, you know, like People have to have private conversations. Like even if we know we're live most of the time It's like it's too much because this is like a place of business And you know, there's certain things that you just don't want people to hear Um, but again, I'm not walking out of my underwear when I go to the office with my peers here Generally, no. Yeah. I mean sometimes I do but I also get in trouble for that. Yeah, you get reprimanded and written up. Trust me But in the home office, it's like the cats are just like Whatever They don't care. Um Well, good times I don't know. I'll keep I'll keep my thinking cap on about all the stuff just trying to Add um add value add add new benefits to folks things that they want and things that we can realistically deliver So again anybody listening If you've got ideas something I haven't mentioned or you like an idea or whatever feedback a daily tech news show or slack You can slack me 216 Oh, tawn you're gonna love this. I realized that when I moved everything over to the power strip I did not move my macbook power and I'm at 16 percent. Oh, wow. Yeah Always plug in well Ever since you berated me I was like I will plug in because you know the day that my power goes out during the show is the day Not a day that I want to I want to live but I just didn't realize that it wasn't There are certain principles by which I live But that's very you and I'm kind of like but I have 60 percent like let's just wait till it gets to three It's gonna be fine. Yeah, right. Yeah, like I have you know Three months to do my taxes, but I'll wait till the April 9th Oh, yeah, I've almost got my taxes done. I um, I I don't actually wait that long because Historically at the last couple of years. I've gotten a decent return and I wanted This year It's gonna be the opposite The freelance life, man It uh, it catches up with you. It can it can at that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's the nice thing about Um, well everyone knows there, uh, pluses and minuses to all sorts of things But yeah, it does it requires you to be a big good and uh, you know plan for the future So I shut off the twitch stream already because audio stopped working for some reason and I can't figure out why That note I will stop the youtube stream. Okay, last words from anyone Uh, it's been really fun knowing everybody And I look forward to knowing you more tomorrow. Thanks youtube See you guys Bonnie