 All right Let's get started. I think I guess people will still move in so as I said again welcome to the presentation of the launch of a new brand new report which we have Published yesterday in time for the bits and boime conference. The report is called digital reset Redirecting technologies for the deep sustainability transformation and it's authored by a whole group of authors or people of whom not all are here actually, but We're a crowd already now but present them and even the others who cannot be here today In a minute. My name is Tillman's Ontario's. I'm from the TU Berlin here and from Einstein Center Digital Futures and I was also amongst the team of the Träger Kreis that launched the first bits and boime four years ago and When we did this in the aftermath of the first bits and boime Johannes Reidel von the robot Bosch foundation approached me and said Tillman. This was a great idea Why don't you want to lift this to the scientific level and implement the very same idea of the bits and boime in the scientific community and This is in a way the result So what we did then is after it took almost two years to get the project started due to various reasons but what we then did is bring together a group of people from different scientific disciplines different fields of experts and Fields of knowledge and discourse different epistemic communities you could say also different countries and This is the group. I show you where we're all from So you see at least the faces several of the faces are here. We have several members of our expert panel from Great Britain from France from Spain from Denmark from Stockholm, I show you the next slide where we where you can see the institutions associated with the faces and I will say the names in a minute just wouldn't fit all on the slide and the idea was to deep dive into the relationship of digitalization and sustainability both in a social and in a environmental perspective We conducted five workshops three three-day workshops are pretty intense We started out all fully virtual of course due to the pandemic situation But then we met also in Brussels in May this year and had a smaller workshop with members from the European Commission and the Parliament to discuss policy prescriptions that we have developed and I think now we are really happy or even maybe proud to present to you an up-to-date interdisciplinary and comprehensive analysis of the opportunities risks, but mostly also of the governance options and solutions regarding digitalization and sustainability Now the report argues that governing the mega trend of digitalization all the different facets and aspects should live up to today's societal challenges and I mean if you heard the keynote talks yesterday Evening there was already a lot of inter linkages inter linkages between digital technologies and their implications and For instance runaway climate change our lifestyles the loss of biodiversity, but also social issues like increasing polarization even war and conflicts and We believe that as digitalization is a means and not an end It should live up to contributing to solving to overcoming these crises When you talk to governments or business people or maybe even Many of us here in the room. There's hope that digital technologies can contribute to solving these crisis these challenges But overall and you will hear that in all the talks that we'll be following now overall I think the state of knowledge demonstrate that By and large the kind of mainstream current digitalization driven by big tech companies So the mainstream of digitalization is rather aggravating the crisis and not solving it take for example the polarization of income we have looked at various studies that show that Digitalization increases the income gap within firms between firms between countries that are more or less digitalized and also between a growing share of capital income in GDP and a shrinking share of salaries in GDP So it basically widens the gap between the rich and the poor and it's pretty similar to the environmental side We see a lot of environmental inequalities But take for instance all the additional burdens for the environment that come about by the Manufacturing but also by the operating and by the new consumption habits the digital consumption habits that are putting additional pressure on resource energy demand and emissions and these are just Larger than the savings potentials at the moment than the savings potentials that can be realized by applying digital technologies in the various Sectors so all in all we think the current form of digitalization is rather Optimizing the unsustainable status quo rather than transforming it and that is why we are calling out for this Fundamental redirection of the purpose of Technology so that they put in service for a deep Sustainability transformation we should govern we is the society's policy makers business representatives But we as users can also make a difference should govern to shape digitalization in a way that it eliminates the root Causes and not just alleviate the symptoms of current crisis Let me go into the Structure of the report and you will find copies of the report in the back I heard that a lot of people already took some copies We have another box in the front here and if we run out of these copies You're most welcome to meet us in the forum over there in the maths building Where we have another table on the first floor in the gallery where there's tons of other reports Hopefully enough and so the structure of the report is that after introduction we Go into part one and explain and lay out why digitalization needs to be redirected and we start with painting a panorama of the Root causes or of some of the root causes. So yes, there's climate crisis by diversity crisis, etc But what are the root problems behind these? obvious crisis and We mentioned the high levels of consumption in the global north in the transnational consumer class the linear economy the kind of Throwaway economy where they extract resources Fabricate goods use them ever shorter and then throw them away And there's other root causes that we briefly sketch out because this is the panorama These are the challenges that need to be overcome by a deep transformation and Digital technologies should contribute to it. We also map Briefly some of the challenges that the process of digitalization has brought about in the last Decades and I mean many of you will be very familiar the increasing Concentration of market power Even monopolies in many areas the power is symmetries that arise in society as a whole who has the data Who has the information who has the capital? For new and very pervasive forms of surveillance the appropriation of comments you name it So we paint again a panorama of the challenges that digitalization has brought about so far and that also Need to be addressed or even overcome in order to achieve that kind of deep sustainability Transformation that are that is needed now in another chapter and now I start handing it over to all of my co-author colleagues here in another chapter in part one we take stock of Digital technologies and how they have performed with regard to Social environmental sustainability in the past and what is the potential of these technologies in the future? And I will now hand it over to Lorenz Hilty professor at the University of Zurich in Switzerland Lawrence you have in headset. Yes, okay, and you will hear Short three four minute inputs by all of us so that we all have the voice here and Lawrence is gonna talk about Taking stock of digitalization for sustainability. Thank you. Tell ma Hope you can hear me. Well, I have six statements and one conclusion statement one technically the digital technology is Actually a success story in terms of energy efficiency and materials efficiency So we can deliver more and more computational power with less and less energy and materials input That sounds good But at the macro level, we don't see this efficiency We what we see is an increase over decades an increase of energy consumption of the whole digital technology and also an increase in the mining activities For the more than 50 chemical elements that are included in our digital hardware So there is a sort of contradiction, but it is not the contradiction from an economic point of view This is just a rebound effect if we can do something more efficient more convenient more Faster than we will have more demand for it and that explains this development and there is even There are even estimates that say that we will have another doubling of the the energy and co2 problem within the digital technology within the next 10 to 15 years and We are not really in a world that can afford it today the whole digital technology is at a level of 2 to 4 percent of Global co2 emissions or to be more precise of global greenhouse gas emissions and This is not so much at the moment compared to other more carbon-intensive Sectors such as the mobility sector or the building sector or also agriculture So we could also argue. Well, it's it is a footprint But it's not so much and maybe it is worth the end print of Digitalization handprint. I mean, how can we use this technology to make other processes? More heavy process is more efficient more more energy efficient More carbon efficient or substitute some atoms by bits Replace some atoms by bits etc. So we couldn't have these substitution effects And we could argue that this handprint is worth this footprint The problem is that all studies that are really telling us that this handprint could be big They are talking about potentials and I'm the author of some of these studies It is really important to note that this carbon abatement co2 abatement that can be Estimated for the digital technology is based on the potential and not on real Reductions that can be shown yet. And so it seems that it depends completely on the Political framework decisions whether this handprint of the digital technology is really realized if you go on go on like Like we do in the moment and I have really I see no hope that we can that we can realize Explore this potential exploit this potential that digitalization would have in ideal world so We cannot Really afford another doubling of the footprint of digital technology and just wait for the digital miracle We need Principles for the framework conditions that really unleash this potential and this is actually what the the report is telling you Okay, so The final conclusion There are several reasons why we must escape the pattern of more efficiency more demand and then more dependency of this technology We should Find a way of escaping this pattern Otherwise, we will going to be going to miss the opportunity to make Digitalization really a part of the solution for all of our sustainability problems. Thank you Okay, and yeah, thank you So due to that analysis, we suggest that there is a strong need for Coherent cross-sectoral governance at all levels We need to shape digitalization much more actively politically User-wise by business progressive companies But by society as large at large and the question is what are the new logics? due to which digitalization should be governed and shaped and part one of the report concludes with a couple of principles that we outline and I now turn it over to Dorothea Kleine from Sheffield University in Great Britain who will Detail to you our seven principles Hello, everyone. So this is really exciting We are going to suggest seven principles for a digital reset and I'll take you through these one by one number one Regenerative innovation and design so the design of digital technologies hardware and software should be determined by Democratic and participatory processes and help regenerate natural ecosystems and promote social cohesion What we're talking about is we want design within ecological limits and we also want design processes that are inclusive of marginalized groups second System innovations so digital technologies should be used for system innovations that alter the basic operational patterns of sectors and arenas rather than merely for incremental optimization So that maintain the status quo We're not really interested in digital technologies that help us run faster in the wrong direction What we're interested in is digitalization that is helping us realize alternatives And for example, we will hear from Angelica Hubeck about agriculture where it's not about making an unsustainable farming system more efficient It's about actually enabling in a if you want smart way alternative and sustainable farming Thirdly sufficiency So the prevailing strategy of using digital technologies to improve efficiency must be guided by an overarching strategy for sufficiency Aiming to seek enough rather than more in other words We need to think about how much digitalization do we need what is enough? We need to get over our habits of overconsumption our fixation on growth and we need to focus on quality including quality of life over quantity fourth circularity Digitalization should be geared towards achieving circular production patterns both in the ICT sector as well as in other sectors So here when we're talking about the ICT sector, and we heard some of that last night already We're talking about repair ability recyclability right to repair open construction plans open source and We also believe that digitalization plays an important role in Turning other sectors to greater circularity and the circular economy fifth sovereignty So the use of data should be geared towards enlarging citizens freedoms of choice and reducing dependencies We want people To be in charge of their own data We want to enable users citizens people to be able to make informed decisions about their data But we also want to regulate And that means that we should also look at where particular companies that we buy services from are located And whether they are actually in the jurisdictions that our democratic processes cover Number six resilience use digital technologies to foster economic decentralization and establish distributed economies to improve economic and societal resilience to crisis So on a Saturday morning Tillman has already cheered us up by talking about various crises that we face But we really think that Decentralization of our systems will make them actually more resilient. So we want to focus also on local economies And also regional networks and economies as well Equity that's our final principle and one that's very close to me personally my heart And I'm sure too many of us here on the podium Digitalization should be designed to improve social and environmental equity So at the moment our society is characterized by deep inequalities on income class race gender age disability lines and Often digital divides follow those and in some cases they make them worse We want to see a more equitable digitalization and that also means in global terms that we're seeking a Digitalization not where people in the global north over consume and to some degree part of that bill is paid Like people in the global south who are involved in the process of extracting precious minerals Or indeed dealing with our e-waste. We have to think Justice globally when we talk about a more sustainable future digitalization. Thank you Thanks to what here? so with the panorama of the challenges with the analysis of What digitalization is so far developed and on the basis of the principles? We then go into one of the heart chapters of the report how Digitalization can support deep sectoral transformation. So what we basically do we look at all relevant sectors relevant with a view to sustainability also on on mobility and on Consumption, but today we will give you due to the people that are here. We give you sneak previews into four sectors and Angelica Hillbeck from ETH Eidgenössische Technische Universität in Zurich Hochschule in Zurich will start out with the chapter in agriculture Thank you very much So Agriculture I think is probably not the first sector that most people working in the software and IT field are thinking about when it comes to digitalization However, you may be surprised to learn that it is this field where some of these tools have been put to work and Concepts have been developed that are actually quite progressed already and very much in use So but to say at the beginning the consensus of our group was that digital tools Soft and hardware all of it together platforms, etc. Can or could have a positive and supporting role For transforming our currently destructive agro food systems into sustainable ones However, that will not happen by magic So it has to be a guided and a purposeful Process and it needs to be based on principles So in our contribution we started first to lay out The field with a critique of the current forms of digitalization into agriculture Which are driven by? corporations Bass mass vast majority is is driven by Companies that have actually a long long history already in the agro field and have been key and instrumental in designing and Developing those chemical high-input industrial forms of agriculture today So they are all basically companies who have morphed from being chemical companies to become Seat companies biotech companies and they have now vertically integrated those inputs into platform digital platforms That they offer to their farmers all of them are Introduced under headlines like wanting to help solve climate change World hunger biodiversity, etc But none of them have obviously achieved that and we give you a kind of an take-home Message on alas why that is and they're all building on actually reinforcing if not boosting and expanding highly industrial forms of agriculture and centralization of it and the deliver they did deliver in terms of Some benefits that you all could argue there's benefits But they were exclusively in the field that Lawrence has been explaining in the efficiency And it went according to what efficiency gains have done in the past They all led to rebound effects so the overall decline in what you would like to see use of pesticides chemicals or or co2, etc Has not materialized because the primary motivation is clearly to be control market share and profits So in the second part of our contribution to the sector we offer what we believe could help solve these problems How should a digital? Tools with a soft or hardware how should they be designed and conceived from the start? Who should take part in that process from the start in order to support a true and a deep transformation of agriculture and our food and consumption systems what we offer is not a a Rule based or a Descriptive form like a recipe do this and then you will automatically end up in a good place but it is rather something that is built on principles and concepts and purpose driven and goal and problem solution oriented So it tries to address the roots of the problems Hoping that if you address the roots and you solve those it will Precipitate into some solutions and some improvement just to give you a brief example for those who are not into agriculture So it is a fundamental difference from the get-go if you develop software or hardware solutions and support tools for an agro food system that it is based on huge monocultures of single crops over a vast area or whether you conceive develop and implement Software and hardware solutions for a multi cropping system in a highly diverse small-scaled form of agriculture of permaculture of of other ecological forms You need completely different tools and that needs to be decided right at the conception level already and will be Decided whether or not you take those stakeholders made on board that will have to use that So we offer a little at principles. We offer how you could translate and how IT development processes and design processes Insupported at the service of a deep transformation of our agro food systems could orient itself And we base this along the ten elements of Agroecology that was developed for and under the auspices of the FAO the UN world food agriculture organization and We finish with giving an example in our paper how this could be put into practice At the root level how you could actually do such design processes and such conceptualization processes, so I hope you will be curious to read more about it and Consult our paper for thanks, Angelica. Thank you All right Philip starp professor at Humboldt University here in Berlin will talk about some of our insights regarding industry Hi everybody and so I have the delicate task to do a three-minute deep dive into what we think the digital sustainability transformation of the industrial sector should be obviously this can't be very granular but it could help to probably think about it in terms of a formula and That formula the way we see it would be that We argue that we should move away from a digital capitalism Based on the exploitation of personal data to a circular digital economy within the manufacturing sector based on product process and environmental data the status quo in The industrial sector is that it is already highly digitalized But at the same time we have not seen a strong surge in energy and resource efficiency Thus instead of relying on Efficiency gains alone as is often the case in terms of the political discussion of how to use digital technologies in order to foster sustainability within the manufacturing sector and we argue for a pursuit of a combination of two sort of model objects, which is circularity and sufficiency and I will say only a few words as I have only these three minutes about the circularity part of things So when you think about how to enable circularity within the industrial sector There is one very obvious basic problem, which is that there is a lack of usable data Which is of course needed in order to enable circularity repair reuse recycling and so on So what we advocate for is an information-based circular economy, which uses digital technologies in order to fill that gap We have three more than three, but I'll only say a few words about three Very basic approaches we thought of in terms of creating such an information-based circular economy one is that we argue that we should repurpose existing and currently being built Cloud platforms within the industrial sector in order to aggregate data that can be usable for circularity tasks Secondly, we argue for a mandatory publishing of such data in order to create access to it and make it actually usable in terms of enabling repair use and recycling and we also argue for a comprehensive framework for a digital product passport on the European level and which would also enable circularity Besides enabling reuse recycling and repair of products such a framework would of course also enable monitoring legal obligations that Politics might want to put on the industrial sector, right? You have to have a certain transparency about the data that is gathered about the footprints and so on of certain Manufacturing or manufacturing products in order to actually monitor Any legal obligations that you put on a sector and this could of course this data could also use in order to inform decision-making in the production sector itself Which of course has its own governance structure but also Politically about the manufacturing sector. Thank you very much Thanks, Phillip Wow, so you get a crash crash insight here not only in the report But in the various very different topics We have two more sectors that we would like to present to you quickly a Marianne Riego from the technical university in Trondheim in Norway on the issue of energy Thank you This is of course not news to anyone in this room But the importance to transform the energy sector away from fossil fuels towards more renewables Have never been more important given the Russian war in Ukraine and Digitalization is at the backbone of such a transformation because there is a need to to manage the influx of Renewables more intermittent and decentralized energy resources and There is an increased need to balance energy demand energy use and energy supply This means that automation integration and coordination by means of Technologies and digital services is highly important for the energy transition to happen However, we also see new challenges arising from this development such as shifting power relations and When decision-making is increasingly automated taking place in systems that are increasingly complex We also need to understand the consequences of such systems And how do they relate to issues such as justice? public acceptance legitimization and trust and These issues become even more important and is today very To a little degree I would say a knowledge in the energy sector So if you go into one of these principles that we have outlined the principle equity This becomes increasingly crucial and I will just briefly explain why If you look at our research for example on the ability to shift energy use in Over time and in space We know that this is highly and evenly distributed among different groups in society So this means that digital tools that automate and manage energy manned in households They may may deepen this already existing inequalities and We argue in our report that the digitalization of the energy systems therefore needs not only to be governed more carefully But they also do need to be developed more by more inclusive means and in a more transparent way in order to to secure equity and In the report we therefore Suggest several we have several recommendations for instance. We suggest and that we did Development what we call anticiper anticipatory governance tricky word The governance that tried to be more attentive Towards potential and wanted consequences and risk created by digital energy systems And we proposed establishment of institutions like this that can monitor monitor and follow innovations and policies and developments more carefully To secure transparency inclusive mass sovereignty and Even more concretely in the report We suggest that we should establish science and technology advisor boards that could advise policymakers on these issues on the energy transitions and But this could of course also be transferred to all the sectors such as the building industry and Yeah, thank you, and that will be the next speaker Thanks, Mariana Matias who are from KTH Royal Institute of Technology in Stockholm, Sweden. Thank you, Timman so Yeah, I will only be talking about one of the things behind me here and it's up to you to understand which one it is So you have to listen carefully and if you want to talk about the other ones then find me out there during the coming days And we can talk about them as well so construction and buildings is a highly resource consuming sector with timeframes of 50 years and more because of how long the buildings stand and this is a problem since the transformation is needed now All together the sectors global energy use is increasing and the reason being that even though we have a technological Development reducing the energy use per square meter We are still building more and more buildings so the total volume is is increasing faster than the technology is making things more efficient And now I will tell you the only thing I will talk about today out of those things is the intensified use of building things better use of buildings would reduce the total demand for for a floor area and As a consequence of this the total demand for new buildings This could reduce the costs for examples for offices for an organization But it could also increase the revenues for landlords since they could charge more per square meter Moreover with more people in commercial buildings in cities those cities would be more livable and livable and Office buildings that become redundant could be used for other Purposes so there is a lot to gain on this transformation Digitalization then can support this kind of Transformation in terms of intensifying use of buildings by the support and opportunities to create flexibility in the use of buildings specifically this is about Creating strong matchmaking services and those are of course already happening But also through the ability to create other services in terms of for instance security Personalization and and other office services. I am convinced that digitalization can support a strong transformation of the building sector towards Low resource use without compromising the affordability of housing, but it may require some quite strong policy measures the good message is that there are some self in in Self-reinforcing loops that can be created here Because digitalization creates opportunities for new ways of intensifying the use of buildings and The implementation of those opportunities can reduce resource use But already the opportunity in itself creates room for policy actions So to be more concrete Since digitalization makes it possible to use space more efficiently it becomes feasible to introduce For instance a tax reform hitting at space waste so this push and pull effect of digitalization and For well of digitalization for sustainability is actually a principle that exists more or less for all sectors And that's something to keep in mind when continuing listening to us. Thank you Thanks, Matias, and yes, this is just these are just some insight into the sectoral Sectoral issues sectoral topics that we dive into let's step back a little bit and again Explain the logic of our approach our report. We argue that the sectoral sustainability policies in agriculture in industry in energy in mobility in consumption, etc Should become more digital in the way of that they need to address systematically the opportunities and risks of Digital technologies in the various fields and at the different levels I mean just to give you an example the common agricultural policy at the EU level should have an own chapter or at least a Systematic consideration of what are the risks and opportunities of digital technologies or industry government in countries such as Germany or mobility policies at the community level or in cities these should treat the risks and opportunities and governance options of digital technologies more comprehensively that is part two of our report and We believe that We will get the most out of digital technologies and that will will be more Positively contribute if Sustainability transformations are already ongoing in these sectors. So we need to have transformation transformative policies in place first and then the governance of digital tools should Subordinate to the goals and the ambitions in the various respective sectors and then in part three of the report we flip the coin and look at the digital governance and Similarly, we argue that all the digital governance should become explicitly sustainability oriented Take for example the data governance or the market governance or service sector governance the e-commerce directive at the EU level These are smart city policies at the community level these policies should deliberately include goals that address social and environmental issues and we will now dive into some of the Sectors or some of the digital governance aspects here. You see that this part of the report has four Chapters we have an own chapter on the question of how can we make the production operation of IC T hardware more circular and more sufficiency oriented because that is the very basis basic is basically the the old debate about green IT which has lost Nothing of this its relevance until today But we will look now into the chapters on business models How can we achieve a fundamental change in business models? Namely of the big tech companies in the world and then we will finish up with some insights on data governance and artificial Intelligence and I turn it over to yug ferböf our colleague and co-author from Paris He's with the shift project and he will now talk about the business models And cutie man Good morning As you may have seen I've rolled up my sleeves and why because we have a difficult task in front of us We have to make the big tech smaller And why why because the business models are probably one of the main root causes of the facts that Digitalization at the moment is adverse to sustained sustainability So Let's explain a little bit As the Lawrence pointed it out The energy consumption From the digital industry has been growing in the past ten years And at the moment is growing at the pace of let's say six percent a year Which means that in ten years from now it could almost double in the same time in these past ten years we have seen the digital industry It's a Completely reconfigured Around dominant players and these dominant players are the big tech big tech are the gaffam Plus Netflix plus maybe two other companies And these big tech Actually not only driving the markets. They are creating the markets in between 2018 and 2021 This big tech are being the cause of 75% of the growth of the internet traffic Can you imagine 75% and this growth is tremendous and it's so huge that even The best technologies cannot provide Enough progress in terms of energy efficiency to absorb these growth of volumes And why is that? Well, just because the business models of the big tech Do require such volume growth in in a nutshell um big tech derives the revenues from selling information related to users that use the services So we use the platforms for free, but then All the information we provide to them in terms of behaviors in terms of personal data is going to be The substance that they will use to generate revenue Sending that to our third-party companies and it works. It works as this big tech are now The most financially valued companies in the world, but it doesn't work on the sustainability level and and You shouldn't be Misleaded by The strategies this big tech have announced in terms of decarbonization In nutshell, they've said and they can do it that they will actually Make sure that all the electricity they use is going to be generated out of renewable energy Actually, if they do that, yes Their direct emissions will be on the right path towards carbon neutrality in 2015 But what we demonstrate in the report that if they continue to grow the volumes in the way they did They will Continue to have their electricity consumption grow in the range of 25 to 40 percent a year and by doing that All the rest of the digital system will see its energy consumption growing approximately at the same rate and and the indirect GIG emissions Will rise As they have never done so Possibilities to do to provide the same services as a big tech but with alternative business models For instance cooperative platforms and I've seen actually that in the program. There is a Dedicated presentation to that I think tomorrow But if we want these alternative solutions to fly the first thing we have to do is to make sure that There is a market for them and if you want To have a market for them first we must make sure that the big tech becomes smaller so we have to apply the right taxes regulations and We also have to make sure that all the new policies on personal data Are straight enough to present the existing business models to continue so That's a conclusion and that was the introduction. We have to make the big tech smaller. Thank you Thanks, and we're Finishing up with the last input by Stephanie hanky ahead of the tactical tech Collective here in Berlin actually but also with international office Stephanie. Thanks. Hi Following you guys rolled up my sleeves to but only partway because I'll try to say something positive to end the discussion The Our section on data governance acknowledges that there's been a lot of progress on data governance There's been an increasing understanding that there are harms related around digital technologies and data But also that there's a real potential common good But it really points to the blind spot on the environmental side and that we're not having joined up conversations So for example when we're looking at things like data that we need to understand mobility in the city We're not thinking about environmental data and things like privacy and anti-discrimination at the same time But we should be or leading off from oog's points The question of who holds the data On at the large scale with big tech thinking about who has access to that information Not just at the global level or where the companies are in the US But also at the regional and national level really depends on what we can do when it comes to using that data for sustainability So there are three different kinds of things that we propose on sustainability oriented data governance One of those is looking at those harms for example where companies like Google and Facebook who are using targeted advertising To drive over consumption how that should change But also should harms be included like when corporates and governments withhold data that we need in the context of sustainability Secondly thinking about data asymmetries So the way in which those monopolies not only data monopolies should I say? Not only make an unfair market and create centers of Economic and social power, but also where they block innovation So where can young companies not come in because they don't have access to the information? and thirdly we thinking the kinds of incentives and Expansion of data we might need in order to really understand how to solve some of these problems And there are things that can be done like pilots with trusts data commons or data Collaboratives that we are not really experimenting with but should for example, how would it look different if? public and private collaborations happened around something like gathering energy data or Mobility in the city and how could that drive forward solutions? So the the thing I want to say not only about this section But also the report in general is that there are not only descriptions of the problems, but also solutions proposed Some of these are about really unlocking the potential of data and technology in this context how it can be catalytic how it can be proactive as well for example going back to Philips presentation thinking about the barriers to information that we could remove and At the same time really starting to understand which kinds of information we really need and how would that make a difference and not enough Works being done to investigate that at this point So I think I have the last say and we're coming to the end of a long go-around I think so I just want to come back to the beginning where Dorothea started saying we don't want technology that makes us run Faster in the wrong direction, but rather and we want to put on the table concrete Suggestions and solutions solutions of how we can have Purposeful design of technology and how that technology can be in service of the things we want to solve in society So I hope you heard something that you liked amongst the many different points of view here today If so you can find the report printed here. You can also download the report Please share it widely and I'll hand it over to Tillman Thanks Okay, so I hope you Got some insights from our report. I mean, it's here to read it grab a copy I think what maybe also came across to you in the audience that for me and I guess for many of us It was really a great experience of having these people all sitting together for as I said earlier multiple workshops Dive into the issues. I learned so much and we also had fun I mean we never most of us never met before but we grew together as a group and developed quite a comprehensive perspective So it was great And we are using up time here the meeting is officially only until 11 30, but there is no other Event in the room so we can go a bit longer for questions and answers for those of you who have to run He's saying no, okay, but anyway for those of you who will Have we want to discuss more with us We have a meeting at five o'clock this afternoon a community meet up bits and boimea goes international So you can meet all of us again to extend the discussions or to talk about the methodology of our group and our research project if you want Let me just Say two announcements I would like to bring best greetings from the other lead author Stefan Lange who lays down in bed with corona I would love to Thank Johanna Paul and Patrizia Jankowski were standing in the back there and also Nina golden penning and Janna Apple for the great support in the back office for the whole project But also for making this report possible and now there's some things And now there's still some time for questions. We're here. Please Come or raise your hand I'll go down in the audience if you have any questions that you want to address and we'll see Whenever you think we should stop just turn off the the energy Are there any questions right in the front here, maybe you just say your name real quick Hi, I'm Anne. Nice to meet you. Um, could only listen for a little while. I'm just wondering I haven't looked at your report yet but I'm just wondering if you have if you're already collaborating with actors that are actually working on those kind of Golds and purpose driven Indeeders, um, yeah, do you have any collaborations to industry Or any community actors Wow, I think we could come up with a lot who wants to answer. Can I who raises hand first? Any idea You want to go me go for it Yeah, don't take my mic. Yeah, my mic is working um What depends which industry? It's clear with what I said about the big tech. It's going to be difficult To have some positive cooperation The experience I have with the the shift project in in france is that There is a substantial number of companies now that Really want to change and they really want to change themselves and and in in the In the working groups we organize often we have people coming from these companies and And then then the import In the companies what they learned in the collective work Uh, I know these companies are also organizing as kind of virtual federations, let's say And um, but I would say Um, it's good But again If we want things to change and we need things to change fast We also have to make sure that new regulations force The companies that do not want to change to change Thanks, I think the question would be a good one also to discuss in the afternoon at the community meet-up Because we all have many corporations ongoing. I think there's another question here in the audience Yeah, um, so Ali gumisha is my name. I'm from the home board institute for internet society And I have a similar question in terms to um related to another stakeholder the politicians So this report of course is a toolbox, right to be used also in engagement with politicians So what are the next steps like? Will you strike tomorrow in front of the bundes tag or what are the next Ways forward how you use the report to engage with politicians in europe and in the world. Thank you As I said earlier, I think we already engaged with politicians We had one member in our expert panel as an observer We used the observer status to to remain independent But he is an employee a senior consultant to the commission dg connect So he was part of the discussions we had in the group. We had a meeting in may a close chop sort of Chatham house rules workshop with a group of selected policymakers from various fields And we are going to present the report in brussels Do you want to contribute some more ideas? I mean, we're not the kind of lobby groups. We presented the toolbox I think I like the idea and the very comprehensive overview And I think it would need another project to bring it into the Into the doors and rooms and where where things are really negotiated That's not part of the project one more question here. And I think then we need to wrap up probably Michael almond I have a question about not only politics, but to to say trade unions Are there any cooperation paths on your side to cooperate and change work forces? Let me see. Do we have another Question, maybe female, maybe Diverse, I don't know Can I hear your pro nomen? No, just kidding. Um Okay, we just collect the question and then we answer it together. Do you want to come here? Don't sorry Is there another question that I missed I can speak with a very low or a high voice if that helped I have a question about Is there an inventory of Methodologies that organizations that can use For transforming to a more sustainable Organization, have you been looking at these frameworks or methodologies? Thank you. Okay last option here and then you think about who wants to answer to which question. Is that okay? Yes, hello my My name is alexandra gaze. I have somewhat of a question somewhat of an answer because I'm a member of the european parliament And since policymakers have been asked to have been called upon like to intervene We have been trying actually to bring these ideas into european legislation as the green group in the european parliament But it has been extremely difficult and we have never found a majority neither the support of the european commission nor the support of my colleagues in the european parliament And I think one problem is the narrative Because when you speak about digitalization people will tell you well bringing sustainability criteria into that legislation that will hamper innovation and that's obviously The industry that comes with that kind of narrative which we don't share But there's a sort of dichotomy dichotomy Between sustainability on the one hand and innovation on the other hand So my question to the distinguished panel is how can we change that and how can we establish a discourse that says In our innovation is only innovation when it's sustainable because we don't have time anymore for any kind of different innovation I think if we can win that kind of discourse We will also have the chance to get all your ideas into the legislation because so far it has been very very difficult. Thank you Okay, cool that addressed the first question also again. So we have the question trade unions inventory and again, how can we Find you the narrative bring it better in anybody wants to answer daughter. Yeah, please I wanted to come back on the narrative point and then I hope some Other colleagues will kind of jump in on the on the other questions But in terms of narrative, it seems to me that there is in this particular at this particular time There is an opportunity to say look We accept that arguably Europe is not the at the moment the primary home of technology companies So of course our Colleagues and friends in north america have incumbents That they have to protect to some degree or they think they have to protect But arguably europe has fewer of them There's also Kind of key big tech companies in china with a different model If europe is to catch up If europe is going to innovate then surely in the year 2022 You don't innovate like you did 10 15 20 years ago. You innovate for a future that we can actually sustain So it seems to me that an innovation Ideal and a design principle in 2022 needs to look different And I would say, you know, if we can get and steve is very strong on this if we can get design schools Thinking about design that is sustainable if we can think about how we create markets and that would be phillips kind of point How we can have businesses innovating in a market that is set towards sustainable criteria And if we can collectively think about how we make social innovation and technical innovation Kind of merged together in a sustainable framework Then I think that is our opportunity at this particular point in time and that should be our narrative for a different digital future Thank you I get repeated signs that we should close this meeting. So I now Declare this session for officially closed. I guess that's a technical question with the live stream Thank you, everybody Everybody's so much and we will still answer some questions right now for those in the room either with the microphone Or not you can also come up to the stage Angelica, I wanted to add a little to to what you said, which I second totally but The the debates in brussels or in any political arena are kind of Already from the start set on the wrong track because you keep those things separate You have the new green deal and then you have the digital transformation You you know you're you're doomed to end up in parallel bubbles who debate things In isolation and disconnected of issues that are fundamentally connected at the at the beginning of it already So I don't know to what degree you guys in in brussels and the parliamentarians can make an effort In insisting that these things are thought conceived debated in conjunction and not in separate Bubbles and separate committees and separate, you know what I mean the whole thing is totally disconnected And if you manage that I think you you will find that debates will take on a different form Different path and you will have different actors coming into it And it may start already to be a little better than than right now But right now it's like doomed from the get-go, you know So this with operations with Speak up last year So with different operations in different ways how do we bring these two policy makers? It's also like I think all of us Are participants in different advisory groups in different ways and that way a report like this will probably Squeeze into different discussions in a lot of different ways Not just by presenting the report by Regarding the The union organizations, I have been worked very little with them But I've been a bit disappointed when doing so and I think a problem there has been that it's to some extent unions To protect the current My speaker