 Here it goes, we're all still here. We're also here. That was the I'm gonna hit continue It didn't it didn't blow us up this time. I know that's okay Welcome and as they say we meet again. Welcome to the June 28th meeting of the community television of Santa Cruz County Secretary will you call the roll? Yes, share a lot me. I'm here director Maziar's director hall here director manhunt here director O'Driscoll here director Shaw Here director gudger here director Granados Director Warren waiting on David, okay Well, great. Thanks everybody for your patience and for joining us this afternoon Next we have oral communications. Any person may address the board during its oral communication period all oral communications Must be directed to an item not listed on today's consent or regular agenda and must be within the jurisdiction of the board and Since we have swapped meetings. I doubt there are any oral communications Three consideration of late agenda late additions to the agenda additions and deletions to the consent or regular agendas Seeing none. I'll move on to the consent agenda We have approved the board meetings board minute meetings Board meeting minutes rather of May 24th 2021 Approved board special meeting minutes of June 14th 2021. I also have included included in the agenda packet the amended board meeting board minutes from April whatever date that was and Proved the finance committee recommendation to accept the May 2021 financial reports I'll entertain a motion or any questions I move approval We have a First a motion to approve And the second by director O'Driscoll um all in favor I I Moved and approved. Thank you And now the regular agenda. I'm starting off with the executive director's report at the top because it will probably Cover a number of things. Are you okay with that? Yeah, okay. Let's move to that. I'm ready. Okay. So this is the report for June or actually this is the board in June for May and As a kind of a boring repetition We are our application is still being considered for the california relief grant and the eivl still says we're funding and I can't get anyone on the phone in either organization. So I'm just trusting them with that status In the co-working our break even number for the co-working center is 8,333 And in the month of april we earned 76 About 70 7662 dollars about 671 under our projection. So that was Not as good as we hoped but we are still 13.5 percent ahead of our budget And um tours are picking up and we have new members joining which is great We've had new memberships in june and and some some we've been very busy here. So it's a good thing We're we're going to be fine as we move forward We did 22 government meetings in may and 15 webinars. That's a lot more webinars than usual So that's like twice as many webinars as we usually do Under facilities and equipment this is this month is the month we renew our business insurance And that's a whole bunch of different pieces. It's uh dno insurance and broadcasters and you know insurance and property and uh If I just want to let you know we got insurance Um, the victor is working with an outside engineer. Uh, they've been focused on solving some captioning issues This is may they did solve those in june Um, we're moving ahead with our plan to replace the telecast equipment And victor was working in may with consultants to put together a mod a more modern system that would Meet our needs in the future and we'll talk to you about what we came up with later We've ordered we ordered the equipment for the youth grant 20 ipads and 20 pad caster kits Matilda assigned part numbers and entered them all into our inventory system and then she and Our member michael whose name his last name escapes me. I'm sorry michael Came on a saturday and labeled a bunch of them and then we discovered that they had sent us the wrong size ipad Frame so we had to take all those numbers off and send them back We we got new ones in and uh, they uh, we got them labeled in time and delivered them to the watsonville recreation program And they got them in in june when they were supposed to mid june. So we were able to to deliver on time We're opening our studio in july. We think we're ready to go and um, and keith has been really working hard on safety measures and safety procedures so that everyone was safe in In the studio and those look good and so hopefully in july we'll start doing things in there We had in may we were hiring for new government technicians and we did hire two new technicians We now have a technical staff of two men and two women as long as i've been here. It's never been balanced never been equal so that's very exciting And uh, we made a transition in our health insurance from blue shield to anthem blue cross this month and that's complete and um, we're training for uh, four of our staff members participated in the studio supervisor training which was led by keith and matilda in may that was Ian and i and kingston and victor all got sort of a brush up on since the studio was going to be opening how How to help people who are using it and we have had a couple of rentals recently of people using the studio. So that's good and today we did a tour of the studio for another local producer and That producer also, um, we're going to do our first fiscal sponsorship with him So we're very excited about that. We put that program together Gosh last year and we had someone who was interested in doing it, but their project never got support, but um And this one might not either But we're going to do the the fiscal sponsorship and um, he's uh produced a number of things and raised money for them So I think it's going to work out great and uh under outreach, um, we did an elected spotlight and interviewed um, monu coning And that's my report for may All right. Thank you very much um Next on the agenda. We have education report education committee report Although david's been unable to join us. He was going to give us a An oral report any other members of the education committee wish to Um, give us an update or is there anything to report? oops chat so, um Due to summer conflicts, it was just david and i met and we We know that becca has done a lot of work in terms of finding out what community colleges across the country have done And so we want to meet with becca or get the information from her about that You didn't have anything in your report. I know you did a lot of work on that becca I did um, but I've been I was unable to summarize it because I've been running the co-working center. So, um, it there are um, there is a what I found that was really valuable I found a lot of bits and pieces all over the internet But I went to the FCC and of course they have everybody who has a community television station there, but they're Their information is notoriously erroneous because it's so old usually But um, there is a corporation a nonprofit corporation called the the um, I think it's called the corporation for student broadcasters And um, they have a very robust work, uh, Website and they list all of the community stations in colleges all the colleges And there are hundreds of them And they are I mean I actually made the list today at several pages long and I haven't been able to count them all yet but um There are lots and lots every every noted university has one and lots of small ones and community television and And community colleges have them So it's not unusual and this group the corporation for for student broadcasters Also has a conference each year when they allow students and advisors and instructors to come they invite anyone can come And um, they have uh, they provide curriculum and develop curriculum And it seems like that's a great place to go to meet a bunch of people who are already doing it and in the flow of it And maybe we can get some instructors from cabrillo to go with us there or something like that I think that'd be really interesting and just finding out who's going would be interesting I think we can get some have some leads there But it looks like it's a there is um a synergy about it There are groups forming around that endeavor and so I think it's it's more than just the random college Getting a community television station. It seems to be really Common and they have their own groups. So we'll um, I'll keep putting you together information But I was excited to see that they had a trade organization to help them And so that sounds good to me Excellent. Thank you Um, I put down on the agenda volunteer advisory committee report. I don't know if there is Same Keith are you also on that? Well, I I'm the volunteer advisory committee chair So I'm supposed to be the one that reports every board meeting on that so we sent out the studio supervisor and producers checklist To all the studio supervisors and at this point There are only three independent producers who are not also studio supervisors. Oh So I sorry And so I said I said them the producer checklist um, I just checked no one has sent in the form Asking for a studio time yet But I have heard from two producers that they are interested in producing our show in july So we may get to we may not Okay The other thing is we did a non-profit spotlight this month with sustainability systems research foundation and that's showing on the channels on tuesdays and saturdays Oh, and that's it Okay, um, welcome david to the meeting Joining us. Sorry if we missed you earlier I'll sorry for my confusion. No worries um Okay, moving on to item number 10. We are um going to hear about the A bid I guess we got for some purchase of new captioning equipment Then I'll throw that to you and victor. I think Yeah, well, I'll talk about the captioning victor's been into the broadcasting. Okay way more tricky We have us We have had a caption issue that's been gone on for we've been having it for months and months and victor has really worked hard on it And I probably have mentioned it in meetings. We finally hired tell you or not tell you It's our our other company that's not helpful. Um, and co which we where we get our captioning machines tried to They were Basically, they just have a hard time admitting that they could be wrong And they don't uh, they were very, um difficult to work with as far as of of um service trying to get this Issue solved and victor worked for them with them for months and months and they never did solve it. So finally I hired a An outside company to help us and they did and within a couple of months they had solved the problem And it was a piece of equipment and and keith was kind of on the the trail of it all along We used encode for two years and it worked great and then they changed their encoder And after that it didn't work and they uh, they could not help us get it to work But this other engineering company found that it was just a different encoder that we needed We put in this outboard encoder or I say we I mean victor this piece of equipment and And it worked great in an hour and a half. They had captioned streaming and on on on the channel. So He is going to help us upgrade our system Our it's time for us to to redo our lease on the captioner machines And we will not be doing it through encode although we will get encode machines because Their speech to text is the best So now that we know what the problem is We're going to buy them through the company that solved the issue and let them be the They'll be our conduit to support if we need it So we won't have to argue with the company and We're buying two encoders and two captioners and the great thing about these captioners is we now lease every year We lease the ENCO machine and it costs us about 15 to 17 thousand dollars a year And we can now buy these machines outright and use them for 10 years And it'll be 45 thousand dollars to buy them But They'll be good for 10 years. So it's much less than we would pay if we continue to lease them and also We can run them continuously Right now we can only use 33 hours a month But with the new machines, it's unlimited captioning. So we could We might do all kinds of things with that and these newer machines will allow us to caption Other things that we want to caption So we could caption our own shows if we wanted we could caption We could do a caption service for other producers in town that want to have caption programming So we can caption things offline is the point. So it's a potential extra revenue stream And victor can probably answer questions about that. Is there anything else that's advantageous about the switch victor that I didn't cover? Uh, I think that covers it about the switch. The biggest thing was just getting the actual signals through And having a encoder that works properly the ankle machines generate the text and they do a great job at that But the trouble we had was actually laying that into our signal And so that's that's all wrapped up now. Thankfully Great So tom Yeah, um Question about the the new machines and the software that supports it. Do we know that That, you know, over the 10 years that it'll continue to be supported and That I mean, I just you know, that part of the advantages of doing a lease is that They're on the hook to keep supporting it and even though they obviously weren't doing a very good job Yes, they're they're doing a poor job. Um, there is support built into the quote So, um, and they're uh, I don't I believe that updates are Since it's online the updates should just happen automatically but and we assume we we have some understanding or Reassurance that they will I assume the software is an enko software, right? It is they'll can they'll continue to support this device over the next 10 years Oh, yeah Yeah, and the the the the soft the captioner is enko and the um The encoder is different. It's not enko. That's the difference In the actual bid that you gave us there's a line item of $6,000 for one year of support And it says it can be continued after that So i'm assuming that's hardware and software It says server and software included software upgrades Optional after year one doesn't sound like something we'd want to be optional well The what he told me was he said that Get the get it for a year and he said you'll probably You won't need it So he said we can always make a decision and make a deal to buy it again later We don't have to buy it again So just get it to begin with And you may or may not want to re-up that contract. It's sort of like we have that with tellvue too And um, sometimes we don't do it until we need it So some years we never pay for the contract and other years we buy it and have it And we can do that. I mean if it if it if we need it we can just then buy that support. Yes Well, like I mentioned, um I mean captioning is based as ai based and it probably is improving all the time. Let's hope So there may be a compelling reason to get that contract every year Well, we can I mean, there's certainly no problem doing that We could certainly afford that and they do the one thing that makes enko a good choice is that they've been Using this same speech to text for years now and they have found all the mistakes They they've been working on it and developed a lot of filters to filter out things and every year it's better So and we always it's always updated on our machines now And we can easily afford to pay for the the service contract that would include that if we want to Is just we have the option not to if we don't want to correct Um The first line on this invoice it's cable and co buyout Because we aren't going to lease it. We're going to buy it So that's not us buying out of a contract. That's actually Yeah, okay. Yeah, that's it's a buyout. So we own it for we own it and it's supposed to be it's guaranteed for 10 years So, I mean it's guaranteed to work And Am I seeing correctly? I mean we I've got four pages of pieces of equipment listed The totaling close to 100,000. Well, we've got two things you've got that's what I was trying to find out and the broadcast Yeah, okay. They're both about 45 47,000 and that's okay Victor's here to talk about the second one Right. I just was trying to understand the difference between all the sheets we have here Let me I'm going to look at those just to be sure that's correct I'm learning one I'm sorry one last question. I had on on the The captioning I noticed on-site installation and training is done by Justin Calgo Is he no longer with create tv or is he are they is Municipal captioning hiring him on the side to do this Yeah, he's a contractor for them and he is who's helped solve the problem we have now Okay, it's the it's a combination of the guy who owns a company daniel municipal captioning. He figured it out but Jason has been his hands and so he comes down and actually helped Justin put it in install it for the first time now victor can probably do it by himself, but it was a weird Installation because it had to be installed a certain way Victor could tell you more about why it was different, but it was helpful to have somebody else Good So do we need a motion for the first contract and then a motion for the second contract? I would do them separate for the um for the The captioning equipment and then a second one for the broadcasting or two within the captioning one for hardware one for software Is that what you're saying? I was saying the first one is the first page, which is the entire captioning system hardware and software Okay, and then another motion for the tightrope equipment, which is called cablecast and okay Yeah, I think that would be appropriate So I have one question Becca. Um, I just want to make sure it is just thinking about somewhat tom was asking about This isn't we're not we're getting new hardware, right? We're not just buying what we currently have No, no, okay. Well, that's I the whole buyout thing is a weird. Yeah. Yeah the way it's right. I'm sorry. It's He knows that that's their that's their language. Your thing is that I you know Based on my back, I would really highly not think of this as a 10-year product computer products beyond five years are are at best Out of date at worst not functioning the other thing is is that most support companies if you cancel a year Will make you pay full up Before you get support That's that's generally the practice They don't let you do it unless they have a per incident type basis, which may be Maybe useful just so I just for budgeting moving forward I mean most companies don't let you skip a year then get it the next year you have to pay up for that year You missed well I could put in the we don't currently have a line in the budget like that But we could be a we could put a support line in and just include all these things in there So we can see it and be aware of it as we move along I want to say here though that the 45 000 is for one machine One one captioner. We will be buying another one We have one that goes away in september. So to buy two would be 90 000 and the broadcast equipment is additional But they last way longer It'll save us money in the long run than doing the lease every year So When are that's a second machine you're going to be bringing back at a later time? Yeah Right now we're just doing one Joe Tom just one thing Becca went over this at our finance committee meeting. So, uh, it's good. We're getting more information But just fyi Thank you, sorry, I missed that No, no, I'm sorry. I'm not really sorry. I was it was great to be away Okay, I'd like to move approval of the ENCO contract. Okay, we have a motion on the floor I'm just for clarification the ENCO contract or the mc contract for ENCO equipment and support The mc contract for ENCO equipment and support Okay, I can if somebody I don't know somebody already did Now I've got a motion by Keith and a second by Tom for the mc Uh captioning equipment and support. Let's have a roll call. I think on this Absolutely. Um, director gudger Yes Director granados Nope, no, he's muted muted. Okay. All right, uh, director warren Unmuter there she is Yes Director hall. Yes Director odrisco. Yes director Shaw Yes director manhain Yes Director lorenz. Yes chair lanyan. Yes All right moved and Keith I just want to point out I checked our balance. This all comes out of our capital account And we have at the um according to the financial data in the packet We have 1.1 million dollars in our capital account in the bank And since this is our mission to provide Programming for the county and now to do captioning I think it is appropriate that we spend our capital budget this way. I just wanted to say that That's a good very good point for the record. Yeah, thank you Um, okay, so we now move on to the um Let's see The encode the next section of this um captioning Yeah, it's big basically. How do you describe it? It's a bid from the same company, but it's not for captioning equipment It's for it's to replace our broadcast system pretty much Whole sale it's we're going to probably eliminate the old one and bring in a new one and victor can talk about that I want to at the finance committee We were uh, something came up that we share we thought We shared a we had at one time shared a cloud uh account with cmap so that uh the two of us split the cost of storage For our programming and that went away a couple years ago And I I thought that but I couldn't remember exactly what happened I went back and found my emails and I have two bills one from one for us and one for them for the same exact money and the same Exact thing so we no longer share it with them So they are already paying for their own storage. We were thinking that if we changed maybe they wouldn't be able to afford their To store their programming and we wanted to work something out with them And but we don't need to they're already paying it I thought I remembered paying the two bills and I had sent them both to mel saying I thought Are they double charging us or did they just split this in half? So um that happened our year before last so cmap is in good shape They'll be fine if we make this change and they may make the same change we do So Victor, do you want to talk about this gear? Sure. Um, it's a pretty major overall of our whole system. Um, I believe which is about eight years old now It came on board about the time I started doing this for you guys Um, uh, we be replacing the main broadcast unit which generates, you know, basically gathers all of our different video from various sources And generates a video stream which we then send to the cable company or or online streams or wherever that may be Um, there are a few advantages big ones. Um One is that this one is this new system is going to be much more ip capable and the fact that you will be able to stream Probably from our mobile tricaster system and it from remote locations Directly into the channels Before we've needed fiber optic infrastructure to do that. So we have very few locations outside of the studio that that was possible So that's a big exciting thing for me Other side, uh You'll see in there. There's a big switch, uh and a patch component that's going to be put in My tray has seen it, but um our our system right now. It's a lot of, you know, very cheap sdi Splitters and things like that that that turn the the actual infrastructure, you know, working on it is very difficult Is the way I put it and that it's uh, you know a bit of a spaghetti mess in there sometimes And doing this is going to really clean that up also give us remote connection to Move our video streams into two different spots Instead of actually having to physically go down to the county building Which we need an escort for and everything to uh to do those projects We'll be able to do it remotely and way quicker and easier The other huge thing that I'm really excited about cable cast has a It's a hardware and software called the carousel We actually used to have one before we made the switch to tell you and it's um How you see on channel 25 typically we have our community calendar when we're not playing reruns of our or or live programs of our government programming and uh That is going to be far more robust and uh a lot easier to maintain. I think um right now we uh, Keith is gracious enough to you know, collect all of our PSAs and things and and create a video on a regular basis that we air and loop What this does is you can actually, you know upload slides to and it generates the video stream for you So we can put in slides We can even Aggregate weather data traffic data things like that and it presents it in a nice way So that's going to really make things easier and look a lot nicer And the other part of that too is that some of that is is used for Uh channel identification And uh, you know kind of like what's up next kind of things like that We can use functions like that inside of it to improve the look of the other channels as well Since community calendar is mostly isolated on 25 But that's going to really improve things. I think Those are the main points of it though, but if you guys have any questions, I'd be happy to answer Joe In our meeting Becca mentioned and is it this system that allow little streaming across the bottom of the screen like the weather or something else? Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah, I should be able to do that and we'll probably be putting something like that at least in our community calendar So all sorts of little kind of you know It can take information from the internet and and generate images for you instead of us having to go Okay, what's the weather today and actually make a slide? It just does it all for you Oh, that's great What's um What's the anticipated delivery if we approve this? What are we talking about? We're trying to do the work in july if we can so that's why we're kind of rushing pushing to get it done. Okay Yeah, because we we'd like to some of the gear that our vendor has on hand so we could start working on some of it right away And um, it will probably take a month. I would think so and we don't want to do it when we're in the middle of stuff We don't want to have right. We don't we've got this is our only gap really. Yeah And is there is there going to be downtime at all when this happens? I imagine victor. Yeah, I don't have a uh, exactly firm idea of that at this point But um, I I believe we should be able to minimize that to you know a day or two at the very most It shouldn't be a situation where we're offline for weeks or anything like that And there may be an opportunity where we you know just switch over And where there is no downtime, but that's something I need to work out with them. I don't expect there to be much Okay, um Keith Well, my first question had been the downtime, but victor just answered that the next question is I know this will allow us to have an hd signal of What will that mean? It will Will Comcast accept an hd signal? What will happen with that? Well, we will be sending Comcast an hd signal But they will not be displaying it to their customers as hd It simplifies things a lot aren't uh right now And this is probably part of why we were having so many issues with our captioning hardware was that you know, we actually Part of our system is in hd and then it gets downgraded before it gets sent out to Comcast And right now that's gonna with the new system Our entire signal chain all the way through is going to be an hd and then once it hits Comcast They they do their own You know stuff to it for their own stuff, you know, their own broadcast Becca That's part of sp 28 is making the cable cast companies put the community television stations on hd Yeah, hopefully if that goes through this cast I now don't know how long they'll dawdle and giving us that but Um, it it's out there. So this will be good for us eventually. Okay Sorry No, Tom, please Does does the bill um Also require them to maintain Um our existing channel or are they going to relegate us to the 700s and 800s and 1000s whereas c-span is up for 1000 now. It's very hard to find on common. Oh, yeah, I don't I did not see that in the bill and I'm not sure the writers of the bill Maybe thought about the possibilities of that. I know when we worked at k q e d We had to really argue to get The numbers we wanted because they when we went from digital from analog to digital It was a fight to the finish and lots of lawyers. So, um, I don't know what They have they've um have tried in many places and they have not But they they've moved up into a tier where you have to then go down It's almost impossible to find the channels. So in the 600s or something. Well Probably the county can help us with that. I don't know if that's something that We should probably talk to kevin and see if that might happen. He probably Okay Point for us to put up in the finance committee and I can talk to the city Lobbyist about that because if they start putting the council meetings up into the thousands, they're effectively They're bearing them. Yeah, they're burying them. Yeah That's a really good point. Yeah, and they may not be able to I don't know what the rules are I know it happened to pbs. So I think could happen to us Um, another question. I I noticed there was a reference to equipment going in the head end and Have we had any communications with Comcast to make sure they're not going to give us grief or want to charge us and install new equipment in their head end I believe that would be our head end. Um, and so the car head end Yeah, that would yeah, I don't believe there's any equipment in there that would Comcast would need to Mess with at all. We basically just give them an sdi Signal out of our system and and they've got it and they're good. So and I'm assuming There's no problem with the county being able to accommodate whatever equipment we put there Do we know? I'll need to be speaking with my tray. I think the the one hiccup could be if we Wanted to try and install this simultaneously so we could do what I talked about earlier where we just switch over to it There's an actual space, you know issue there And I need to see how much of that You know, we can kind of side load But there's plenty of space in fact the the system that we're looking at is going to be smaller Than right and what's in there now? Oh, we're going to be able to get a lot or rid of a lot of the rack mounted units that are there One other thing I realized I didn't mention Is that we have a whole elemental system that that basically sends out our internet streams This system also will be replacing that one of its functions is it can send out internet streams just like that box does So great Places a few things. Yeah Keith so the elemental though also did a recording right it recorded the entire stream to use to prove that you actually transmitted Something is that not the case? I don't believe so it may have some sort of logs, but there's definitely no video Recording on that system. It doesn't have the the space to do that, but it may have some sort of Log system that was used for that Not something I've ever had to pull Thank goodness. Yeah Is Victor is this enough space? For the five years you think I think so. Yeah our our current system You know, it's it's storing standard definition video for the most part and we run five terabytes at about capacity constantly and where I'm 95 to 97 full at all times And so That's four times the space moving to hd. You know, I still want to encourage our producers to upload in 720 Since our signal is being you know crushed down to below that anyways for cable, but I think it should be plenty of space. Yeah So I'm sorry me. I just read it. So it's this you get is 10 10 terabytes and then there's an additional 10 terabytes. Is that right? Uh, I believe when I read it earlier. Yeah, it was a total of 20 And let me and so it's only $1,400 for another 10 terabytes Yes Add another 10 terabytes Might not be about option I'll need to speak with them and and it might be a good idea to try and Get in touch with an organization that is storing hd at this point Just so you I mean that's we store hd videos for some of our our stuff and it's It's significantly more right. Yeah, it's it's a big deal So All right, um, any other questions? I had to entertain a motion I'd move approval of the mc Purchase of the mc quote equipment on pages one two and three of quote one three six eight Which is all of the broadcast equipment. We've just been discussing All right, we have a motion on the floor I'll second, but I also have a question Do we want to have it for more in case they want to add the extra 10 terabytes or something else? Pad pad it a little bit. I mean, what would that be it could be shipping also Well, actually they say shipping to government customers free shipping Last page of the quote Oh Do you want to amend the motion or To add another 2,000. What was the victor? What was the the sum for the? terabyte Yeah, what I'm seeing is I believe it comes standard with 10 and then there's the upgrade for another 10 to bring it to 20 Which costs us 1,400 by this line here So if we counted for another 1,400, I think that would cover things as long as The units physically able to accept that many hard drives Yeah, but I'll speak with them Um as maker of the motion, I'm happy to include the additional 1,400 plus tax for an additional 10 terabyte storage unit. All right Acceptable to the second. Yes okay Let's we have motion on the floor to approve the contract for broadcast equipment plus an additional 1,400 for additional storage 10 terabytes of storage Let's have a roll call on this one too director manhunt yes director Shaw yes director odrisco yes director hall yes director warren yes director geiger yes director loren yes chair lanie yes director granada Oh, yeah, I'm sorry director granada. I'm sorry. I don't have for some reason. I don't have it showing video. I'm sorry No, no worries. That's okay Yes, okay. Thank you. Thank you. All right Thanks everybody. That's great. That's very um looking forward to getting this stuff in place and um Sounds good and then it's also I think Very good that we have this it's kind of a middle person, you know Contractor here, but I think that's good It's served us well with the captioning issue and if they're You know, we're their customer and so they watch out for us rather than And then deal with nco. So That's actually a good thing. I think they might have a little more cool. Yeah um, okay we have um number 12 is um discussion to refer to the governance committee review of policies and procedures relating to hateful speech this references the discussion we had a couple of months ago And um We didn't really come to a decision. We were going to postpone the discussion Then we we postponed it again beckon. Do you want a quick refresher and then see what people the people think Yeah, well, we had we had talked about the potential for people to upload to our channel hateful content or misinformation and um, a lot of community television stations have have um experienced that we have not but You know, we just wanted I just wanted to make you guys aware that that could happen and What what might be a good way to go is to just have Maybe the governance committee review our current policy We do have a policy About this and we could take a look at it and see if it stands up in the face of what What what we're experiencing now in television and in communication and on social media with hate speech and um And a lot of misinformation and conspiracy theories. Yes, joe Okay, going. I just wanted to get in line after your So, um, we have not experienced yet But it seems like a good idea to review what we have and see if we need to amend it for the current times Or if it stands strong as it is and then um, we could uh, the governance committee could bring that back to the board and get Oh, great. Thank you. Uh, joe Um, my only thought is I think it's a good idea to refer to the committee But I thought it'd be good for the board to discuss a little bit what are existing and so The committee can hear the thoughts of everybody Uh, I was just I thought of a good first step and a pretty complicated Issue for the board to do a little more discussing of it. I think it's too late to do it tonight But it would be good for them to review the policy and then That gives a little guidance to the governance committee is where people's thoughts are on it Or maybe there are none and they'll just have to do the work, but It's such a complicated subject I'm not in a rush to do it, but I think it's definitely important We do it and I thought it'd be good for the board to have at least one 15 20 minute discussion of it and then it goes to the committee We could have that we could have that as an informational item, I suppose on a upcoming meeting what I What I would propose is That we have that we do refer to the governance committee to review Where we're at now, you know, what are our policies and and maybe Bad around some of the The potential holes in those and then then we can bring that to the board And the board Can then further that discussion. I don't know that we need I guess we do need a motion for this, but that would be my suggestion I don't mind doing it. I just thought I'd throw out one other option I'll make the motion that we refer this issue to the governance committee For review, okay I'll second that motion Christina, thank you for a second and we have a motion by Director Hall and a second by director Granados to refer this to the governance committee for review And then a report back to the larger board for discussion if we need to take further action Um, let's have a roll on this to Secretary Laurent Absolutely, um Director gudger Yes Director Warren. Yes Director hall. Yes Director driscoll. Yes Director Shaw. Yes Director manhunt. Yes Director granados Yes Director Laurent. Yes director army chair laniak. Uh, yes. Thank you Uh, thanks everybody. Um Any board member or staff requests victor For specific items or rebecca to appear on the next meeting agenda No Seeing none, um announcements And seeing none I'll entertain a motion to for adjournment So moved Tom Moved by director manhunt Second Director gudger second all in favor say aye. Yay. All right. Hi Thank you. Thanks everybody Appreciate it Bye-bye