 behind-the-scenes action of Justin Robert Young setting up at the collision conference in New Orleans Ladies and gentlemen How funny is this that I'm literally here? So like I I I am here on the on the floor right and yet the floor is both Wi-Fi wise a nightmare and Noise wise a nightmare So I have to go somewhere else and make it look like So we can effectively do the show you are literally inside the conference look folks He's got signs on both sides of him. So initially they're like, okay, we'll do it in the media room, and I'm like I Don't know if you guys like it would not be Appropriate for me to be like yelling or not yet But like speaking at broadcast volume while everybody else is quietly trying to file their stories and do interviews, right? Sure But they were very very nice. They're very supportive. They seem very accommodating. Yeah, this conference has been Extraordinarily now granted. I have not been doing a ton of tech conferences into your share though But but I've never dealt with a media team that is as eager to help Awesome. These guys are well. Let's get rolling then you ready Yeah Yep, you could see the stories. That's really all I care about. I can see the stories. We're ready to roll Here we go. I just looked up value for value in the dictionary And there's a picture of me because I went to daily tech news show dot com slash support and gave a nickel a day There's all kinds of ways for you to show the love at daily tech news show dot com slash support I can't guarantee what picture though use for you. When was I in France? This is the daily tech news for Thursday April 28th 2016 on top Mary joining me today live from collision New Orleans mr. Justin Robert Young. How you doing a Man alone in collision New Orleans This is yeah, no New Orleans, Louisiana. We are right here at the Ernst and Morial Convention Center where collision comf as it is called and it's a charming Irish brogue Is is well underway? Yeah, we're gonna that's gonna be our main topic today is some of the the bot related natural language processing machine learning related conversations that Justin got to head with folks like Stephen Wolfram For instance and a little bit just about the general sense of tech there because you were saying That the idea of fun fading doesn't doesn't seem to be prevalent Well, if it if it is then we are at that last of the last calls You've tipped the bartender well all night They've kicked out the rest of the people by putting the chairs up But yet here we are getting those Yeager Meister shots. It's that Comdex 2000 feel hopefully not hopefully well Yeah, I mean and we can get more into it, but let's start with some headlines. Let's do that exact thing Facebook announced dedicated Facebook and Facebook messenger apps are now available for Windows 10 Want to use it on your Windows tablet? You can do that and Instagram for Windows mobile is out now as well all three features support for Windows live tiles and Facebook says they plan to Bring messenger and Facebook apps to Windows 10 mobile later this year you gotta wonder where Facebook wants to be with desktop apps because they they've got a very specific design quality They've done well with mobile apps, you know, even when they've had reputations for being kind of cruddy like Facebook was with Android for a long time They've fairly, you know, they've been good and diligent about improving it and they have wound up buying apps that were very well designed So I'm curious to see whether or not they they continue to move forward with that on let's say like the Mac platform Yeah, and making it for the Windows 10 store seems like something that's not surprising It's like oh our Windows 8 app, you know, you can keep using it But we but but it's no longer the most recent one So you might want to upgrade to Windows 10 if you have Windows 10 bring an Instagram to Windows 10 mobile though That's something I know a lot of people have been dying for or at least people who have Windows phones and also use Instagram The HP Chromebook 13 was announced at Google's NYC offices this morning HP and Google co-developed the laptop which will be the first Chromebook equipped with an Intel M Skylake processor features up to 16 gigs of RAM 13.3 inch display with an optional 3200 by 1800 resolution upgrade to USB C ports one USB 3.0 port headphone jack micro SD card reader and all aluminum chassis Look at them go boys. The Chromebook 13 starts at $499 and is available for purchased today scheduled to ship next month Yeah, we're gonna hear a little later in the headlines about Google getting serious about hardware But this is an example of that and finding a good partner for 8 in HP to make a Chromebook that makes it serious, you know I think a lot of folks dismissed Chromebooks as maybe something for education Maybe certain enterprise uses but not something that a lot of people are gonna want Maybe that's enough to make the Chromebook worthwhile for Google if those are certainly big markets but I feel like we're seeing a lot of manufacturers really wanting to iterate on this and It may be attracting a few more users into the pool at the time at the same time I think certainly the market is better for Chromebooks now than I think they ever have been at a low cost There are enough people that live off ubiquitous Wi-Fi I'm thinking specifically children or people who want secondary machines for very specific reasons and that 500 bucks it makes sense if it's an attractive if it is an attractive and robust enough machine Valve has partnered with bit pay to allow steam users to pay for purchases with bitcoin makes sense according to bit pay Valve was quote looking for a fast international payment method for steam users in emerging gaming markets Countries like India China and Brazil without the high fees or the risk of chargeback fraud that can come with card payments So lots of interesting things about this first of all bit pay getting a big client valve being a mainstream Company that is now going to take bitcoins, but I find the most interesting thing is the reason saying yeah You know what we can just get around this whole clunky worldwide system by taking bitcoin that's significant You see it in almost every facet of retail both digital and physical How do we loosen up the stranglehold of credit card charge fees because there are smart people with very smart spreadsheets That's smartly look at the very large numbers that say if we could only keep that money We would be that much richer now bitcoin obviously something that is Done well in not exploding and going away to you know further strengthen people's belief in it But ultimately the risk right now is worth the possible reward of having that many less Transactions that have to get you know charge through another third-party service. I'm telling you man Netflix Needs to do this in all of those 130 markets that they have because that is another one of their issues is finding ways for people to Pay on a recurring basis for Netflix to take a bitcoin might be an option for Apple's car kit is now available on github car kit includes care care kit. So care kit. Oh, I'm sorry Yeah, cuz like here listen, I care I care for this headline I care for you the listener and therefore I tell you Apple's care kit is now available on github Care kit includes care card for tracking treatment a symptom and measurement tracker the insight dashboard Which compares the first two and connect which shares info with your doctor and family Care kit is designed to work well with hospital record systems like epic And of course they have like four sample apps that they've been working closely with to get you introduced to it If you're on the consumer side of this, there's a good one if you're diabetic for helping track your your glucose levels and all of that This is potentially Very I don't want to say disruptive But this can make a mark because if it can really get adoption with sort of HIPAA crazy medical institutions This could really change the nature of people being able to track their symptoms and communicate with their medical professionals I think probably the biggest Impediment and gadget notes in this article is getting folks who need it to be willing to use a smartphone to track it in this World War we're worried about our information being surveilled Yes, we are worried about it But we are also very very very much not worried about it considering how much people use these kinds of services So I think you're you what you hit it a dead on the head if these you know anything that has medical on it is Always going to be protected regulated and cost more than any almost any other field Be it apps and especially when it comes to medical records It has to be something that is airtight if Apple can make a dent in this You know, we saw with with the apples earnings over the last you know earlier this week that they need any and every Stranglehold to continue Their their growth, you know, which which has finally slowed a little bit, but they hope not too much Samsung's operating profit rose 12% year over year to 6.68 trillion won I didn't mean that to be an answer to Justin just saying that Apple was having problems with their It's the next story Quarterly revenue was up 5.7% year over year at 49.78 trillion won mobile sales led by the galaxy F7 or the bright spot And and that's really one of the differences here is Samsung put out a new phone Apple has the SE out for one month of the previous quarter, but it's not like putting out a new iPhone Samsung semiconductor business bucked seasonal weakness driven by memory sales That was another bright spot for Samsung because it's not all about phones with them and the display panel business was the only downer The sharp decline in LCD panel earnings Although Samsung noted that OLED sales are rising not only just to themselves with the galaxy S7 But to other manufacturers as well And that's one place where Apple might be able to give Samsung a little boost if they put OLED in the next iPhone Yeah, you know, it's so and just because this is a show that demands a higher level of context that the DTNS listeners and patrons very much, you know are owed that and it is very Yeah, we need to be very very clear that when you compare the earnings reports of Apple and Samsung like Anybody who looks at Apple's earnings and and says anything other than wow those are insane However, yeah, yes, you didn't continue to grow at this staggering insane face doesn't know what they're talking about This is certainly it's good news for Samsung considering they have had a bit more of a fickle Road, but you know good for them. Yeah, and a more diversified institution, too I mean Apple Apple's fairly diverse product-wise, but they are a consumer electronics company Samsung is also making semiconductors has a financial division, etc Speaking of that Samsung announced Arctic cloud Wednesday to help users store and analyze data from Internet of Things sensors like Amazon Echo Fitbit Nest and Samsung's own devices Samsung is also selling the Arctic Developer boards for making things like UAVs robots wearables and automation products Arctic cloud is free for hobbyists with pricing tiers ranging from $3 per device for 10 That are a hunt. Sorry a hundred thousand messages Yeah, never get Samsung offers same eye or Sam. I Internet of Things cloud service already and the smart things home devices. So this is another Toe in the water of a new business there, you know, they're certainly not going to go competing with Azure or Amazon web services tomorrow with this, but it's a way to say hey We've made it easier. It's a lot easier to connect your stuff And it's a lot cheaper to do it through us and the key here is the interoperability They're not saying oh, but you have to have smart things devices for it to work. They're saying we'll work with a bunch of other stuff Which is now where we see like the feudal land of all these different pockets of Internet of Things devices Which people like like you and me have bemoaned as they have become more and more Important and popular Now we kind of see a bit of a you know At least overtures being made by companies that put these kinds of things out to say well, you know Amazon Echo There's a there's a lot of different ways that we can plug it in Samsung. Hey, here's a cloud service These things can talk to each other now It's it is encouraging and I think it's going to be necessary if Internet of Things devices are going to really hit their full potential Yeah, it's a smart niche to because Samsung could say well if smart things doesn't work out for us We could still make money off of being the middleman There's a company that's rolling out their lighting system their their their enterprise lighting system using this new Arctic Cloud system to do the communications and they're working with if they're they're integrating with Twitter and Facebook So it is like say it's a smart thing even if it doesn't rely entirely on smart Movidius announced the new fathom Wait, I just need you to say that one more time because it might be my favorite word this entire podcast Which Movidius? Yes Yes, no, no, no, I wanted you to say fathom again. No, that's the fathom neural compute stick fathom Movidius is just such an amazing word. It sounds like like a dark lord Movidius Doing the FLIR integration with Google and now they're doing a neural compute stick this this is I mean Movidius isn't evil genius This is a USB device running Movidius is myriad to visual processing unit to create a neural network Anywhere with don't worry about a network connection either a device with a fathom plugged in can take visual input or even other data streams and Then react with intelligent decisions that you've trained it The fathom deep learning software framework lets you run learning algorithms at low power They say you can do 16 images a second on a single watt Thousand neural compute sticks are gonna be given away free to qualified customers with more Being available for sale in Q4 haven't fixed a price, but they say it'll be less than a hundred bucks Movidius is Mo awesome in my opinion because I mean that is that is fascinating and especially doing so much on such low power And and and that's what you need if you're in the biggest example that they give is a UAV So you've got a quadcopter you stick this thing in and you say all right Look for a place to land and you've trained it to know what a flat place to land is versus a bumpy place And it could do that and that's just like the minimum of what it can do And it doesn't have to have a network connection like a Siri or a Cortana Although Cortana could do some stuff offline. It's it's got it all in the chip It's all on the Movidius chip, which so so it doesn't have to be connected to anything at all. It's It's the kind of thing that I'm all I say this a lot about stuff But I'm really curious what people are gonna do with this once they get their hands on it Yeah, I really I don't know. I'm very excited to hear Darren's perspective on this because like I think that's the kind of thing That's going to keep him up for three days thinking of amazing things that he is going to try and do absolutely What are you gonna? What is what is Darren going to train his fathom neural compute stick to think about in fact? We want everybody who's listening live to tweet Darren right now. What are you going? I've Darren Yeah, yeah at hack five Darren and we will pester him until he breaks like a pinata with opinions and Decisions amazing Amazon posted earnings of a one dollar and seven cents per share on revenue of 29.3 or 23 billion analysts had expected 58 cents a share on 27.98 billion Amazon web services beat expectations to with 2.57 billion Versus 2.53 Billion everything's coming up Amazon. Yeah Well boy Facebook and Amazon just showing that they you know, you don't just because your tech company doesn't mean you're gonna have bad earnings Not that Samsung's earnings were bad either But but Facebook and Amazon just blowing it out of the water these past couple of days ours Technica reports that a former Philadelphia police sergeant has been jailed for seven months after refusing to decrypt an External actually two external hard drives after a district court ordered him to under the all-ritz act a Mac Pro found in the home of the sergeant was decrypted But no offending material was found and the suspect has not been charged with a crime In fact his defendant or his public defender says he has never been charged with a crime If you're wondering back in 2000 the Supreme Court ruled that a suspect cannot be forced to divulge the combination for a lock But is not ruled directly on Decryption passwords, which is the basis for the appeal going on and they're trying to get him released In fact, they argued that Tuesday like he should be released until the appeal is resolved so is this the The sergeant taking a stand like making a political point that he won't decrypt it Good question. It is the kind of case because you know one thing I intentionally did not mention in this main headline is this is accusations of child porn Okay, because that tends to immediately color us to be like ooh Well, I don't want this person to get away with anything, but we don't know if he's guilty Yeah, and so this case is not about whether he's guilty This case is about whether he should be forced to give up his password or not and I believe that he is taking a stand Obviously the nature of the case does make you wonder Is he worried about what's on on these hard drives, but that would be true in any case I think this there there is there is more to this and and i'm very interested to see You know where this goes because as as i'm sure people who follow any kind of crime and police stories know A a sergeant kind of going rogue like that is is something that is very very very very rare And i'm i'm curious to see more context on it Yeah, and and this is the kind of thing where it doesn't really matter that the district court has ruled the all ritz act Can force him to give up the password because it has to go unappeal And this is the kind of case that might go all the way to the supreme court And a lot of legal experts have said Oh, you you you can keep a password it to yourself because the supreme court has ruled that combinations from combination locks can't be forced out of you But this court says well, that's this isn't the same thing. And so now now we're seeing this get contested So tom, you know how comcast puts data caps sometimes and claims that they're more than enough and you complain that maybe They're more than enough for now, but not for long and we'll see if comcast ever raises them. Yeah, right You know that right that'll raise them No, milk us joe like a like a big fat dairy cows data cows well Hold on The the cow has indeed jumped over the moon because comcast has raised those data caps What to one terabyte beginning june 1st? They've raised the price of unlimited From 30 to 35 dollars to 50 dollars a month as well But data caps are not in place in all comcast markets So if you don't have a data cap then you don't necessarily have to worry about it but one terabyte beginning june 1st for those that did have them before and It seems as if they are at least kind of getting to the idea of You know, all right people are going to really opt hard for this unlimited thing So let's put the price up now so it is more plattable for us when people kind of take it more seriously Yeah, and that's that's extra 50 dollars extra a month. So the idea what what comcast has done is said We're not going to put hard data caps that you can't go over In fact, they don't like us to call them data caps because you can spend a little bit of money to get extra Gigabytes every every month. Yeah, but what they're trying to do is say, you know, if you're if you want more data Pay us more. Let's see how this goes giving you a terabyte Is acknowledgment that they aren't trying to just trick you into paying a lot of money They are trying to find a level that they think The majority of people will fall under they say 99 of their customers use less than a terabyte a month That said it's also been shown that these data caps Generally have no impact on data congestion on networks So because that's more about simultaneous usage than total usage over the month So this really is just about monetization But they're not they're not trying to gouge you as bad, I guess They're not data caps tom. They're data suggestions a friendly suggestion from concha pose Bunch of other stuff in the news today The ios app store now is categorizing twitter as news instead of social networking. That's twitter's request They've moved themselves to the news section Recode reports motorola president rick osterloh who left lenova last month is headed to google to run a new hardware division Overseeing not just that cool chromebook. We talked about earlier, but nexus devices chromecast glass gets moved away from tony fidel And into this new division the on hub routers will be in there as well Investor carl icon told cnbc He sold all his apple stock because he doesn't like china's attitude towards apple, but he thinks apple's still great And he loves tim cook With a strong opinion. Yeah, right? I know shocking everything Uh strategy analytics showed worldwide smartphone shipments dropping for the first time since they began tracking smartphones On the country idc shows them flat, but neither one of those are good news Both firms ranked samsung first worldwide followed by apple, huawei, oppo, and vivo Shall we get kicked to the curb here and finally youtube announced a new plan to essentially hold money generated from disputed content id claims until the claim is resolved so that youtube can keep making money And then they'll give it to the victor if both people are trying to monetize it I said finally, but you know what? There's one more thing uk transit investigators have found no evidence one way or another That a uav struck a british airlines flight that was landing at heathrow airport They say we've no evidence. It struck it. We can't rule it out either because the pilot said that's what he thought he saw But we can't tell I feel like we need our own sherlock homesy and kind of title to this ongoing british aviation mystery Because it feels like every time i'm on this show. There's a new chapter that unfolds The invisible drone of heathrow Yeah, the the the the phantom of the skies. Yeah, the phantom of the skies. Uh, yeah, I But a bunch of little stuff here, but it's all kind of interesting. Uh, you know Google sort of they they've pulled the nexus nine out of the store, by the way It sounds like they're really trying to consolidate a hardware strategy And and get into it for real Doing kind of the microsoft thing from the other end making some some flagship devices. I don't Know that this means they'll start manufacturing them But taking more of a hand in the design might be why they would need our rick australio Well, and they should they absolutely should because because a lot of the awesome stuff that they create deserves hardware that works very specifically with them Hey, thanks to greg and cold spring husky caucasian motang teaglass 1976 tm204 and everybody who submits stories On our subreddit submit your stories and vote on them be one of those folks daily tech news show dot reddit.com And that is a look at the headlines So tell us a little bit more about the collision Conference, uh, you you mentioned in your report yesterday. These are the same folks who do web summit, which is insanely popular over there in dublin Uh, what what is this conference? Well, you know, that was really what I wanted to get into in my report yesterday and and even then having spent more time here There is really only one thing that it is Built almost from the ground up to do and that is to network it is as if a tech conference Uh of of all the different stripes of tech conferences have all been stapled together on one big event So everybody can kind of collectively be the cool kids and blow it off halfway through and head off to the bar Uh, because collision is very specific. I mean, listen, this is a conference where there is no official Programming after four because they want everybody to go to their happy hour events They want everybody to go to their big dinners that they have they are You know, there is as much floor space dedicated to this speed dating round where people who have paid for Uh, uh, booth space can interact with Vcs and and people in the industry so they can get notes on both their product and presentation There are you know, like I mentioned in the report yesterday a ton of great speakers That only speak for 20 minutes. There are big stages for pitches And they have a competition, but it's not exactly the center of it And it's not that's why you're saying that doesn't feel like the funds have faded because deals are flying Well, if there's one thing if you drill down to the center of everything Including the speakers including the pitch stages including the booths It is that this is the place where your dreams come true This is not necessarily a blog or or a content creator trying to show off Uh, you know, how many big boldface names they can get and trying to break news You know, this is not an angel investment firm trying to show that that they are the center of power in You know silicon valley or something like that or technology as a whole This is a networking focus place where Whether it be at one of our office hours things whether it be at the bar whether it be at dinner This is where they very much and they were specific This didn't make my pc yesterday, but They are very specific in their in their uh, uh mythology and I don't say that in any kind of negative way This is this is their own story that they that they are telling to people that would like to come to web summit or this Or any of their other events You know, this is where uber got funded. This is where, uh, you know, like this is where you go from zero to a hundred million Uh, and I mean that in some of a metaphorical unit of speed and not necessarily funding Uh Like that and and and that's where it's interesting because all we hear on the on the on the press side Is oh man everybody's tapping the brakes Now the mutual funds are out of these, you know, big tech companies and the vcs are are slowing down And and there's this weird crossroads where this is a very buzzy conference. This is a a very networking heavy You know, you can walk into uh, you know bump into somebody and the next thing You know your your dream goes from a piece of paper with you and your friend to something that is buying office space And palo alto on wednesday uh In in in a heartbeat and yet that doesn't seem to be what the larger trends are at least Yeah, and and again, that's not every single person who goes to collision gets funded either That's that's just sort of the promises like this is where it could happen Uh, the other side of that is just the networking and and those kinds of conferences That's generally what people talk about when they're like, you know, the best part about ces happens out in the lobby The best part is out by southwest happens out in the lobby It's people talking to each other And that's one of the reasons that we were curious to to take them up when they said, hey Would you guys like to to send somebody down here? You got a chance to sit down and chat with steven wolfram One of the greatest minds around machine learning And and just a a peach of a human we had an amazing conversation that nobody will ever hear because my recorder broke And I do like I want to apologize to all the the dts patrons because the entire Reason for for for recording. It was obviously to give to you guys in full But you'll unfortunately have to deal with my Orative capacity to relate to you my conversation that I had with mr. Wolfram Uh, specifically this he's I wouldn't say bullish on bots, but he is bullish on the promise of of bots so much So that he was very insistent and he brought this up a couple times And I wound up following up with him that he wants to botify himself He wants steven bot and not wolfram alpha bot That's something that they were thinking about doing and he says in this current iteration Of where bots are ideas and think would be necessarily Novel or anything better than the input methods that they have for wolfram alpha now However for himself and I asked him what would a steven wolfram bot do He said answer emails, you know, this is something that that he believes He can program enough of himself into a bot That he could read over an email and then just hit a button That would say just answer this email as I would answer This email and the idea being that the bot would have learned how he communicates and what his Responses might be and be able to just compose an authoritative response Now you are absolutely right. How would he be able to do that? He explains very thoroughly He has meticulously recorded so much of his life. In fact, he shared with me the idea that he has a screenshot Of his desktop taken once every second And it is all logged and it is all stored so he can have a meticulous record of Exactly what he does and how he does it. He said he made a video for south by southwest That was a time elapsed year of his desktop and he wound up not releasing it because he thought it was too boring It was it was mostly him reading articles. I mean that that would be mine. Anyway, yeah We're doing some code. He probably a lot of proprietary code on there. He didn't want to put out Yeah, well, I mean for him. He said, yeah, you know, it's just my emails kind of going up and going down You know, I'm like, well, Steve, I think uh, people might find you a bit more interesting than you might find yourself Is why he wants a bot though because he realized this is all I do I'm looking at my screenshots and all I do is answer email and of course it's the perfect type of thing but He said something else to you. I thought was interesting about Processing images, right because when you talk about taking screenshots That that implies that there's there's enough data from those screenshots that could be recognized Certainly so so one of the and and and I say this in in the warmest possible sense that Stephen Wolfram is a quirky individual and and uh, I think anybody who has watched him speak or has followed his career Will will know, uh, you know, very well what i'm talking about So he shared with me the idea that wolfram alpha Is a tremendous resource for students students use it a lot and it was funny because when I when I was lamenting on Twitter yesterday the fact that this interview as a recorded A clip was lost. I had a teacher email me and say oh, that's really disappointing my students love wolfram alpha So I promise to share this story and here it is Stephen wolfram is well aware That there are students around the globe right now that are using the image recognition Uh a portion of wolfram alpha to take pictures of their homework Hoping that wolfram alpha will solve their homework for them Now quirky funny All that What's even better is that steven wolfram explained to me how he would look to solve the kid's homework He wasn't against it. He's like well, listen. This is a very complicated A complicated problem to to put that in and then spit that back out to formulate it in the right kind of way And what you realize when you talk to him about wolf mouth is so much of The extra mile that makes I believe wolfram alpha You know a seamless integration to so many other especially natural language systems like siri Is that there is a lot of rounded edges and how they spit content back? For example something that he they said they worked very very hard on was in voice Uh data that comes back to you if you ask how many people are in cleveland It doesn't just give you the big number of There are x x x x you know the number number number number number They found far more people uh retained the information and found it more useful if they said it is around x number Or more specifically that number that that there is these there are these anchoring points to how we Mentally deal with that kind of information More so Something that they have not been able to figure out is if you go to wolf mouth on the the website right now And you search for something that would be a tables worth of data It will give you in visual form that table What they have not figured out and and vex's mr. Wolfram personally Is how to get that information back on voice? and they have uh experimented with the idea Of having he he he said specifically musical notations, which i'm just going to assume is the idea that The audio would be sung to you in a way that wouldn't just create the blindness in your head I compared it to in newspaper design Uh, there are far more paragraphs and drop quotes because to look at a big block of gray text Is to have your brain just shut down and say okay, uh skip skip skip skip skip get to something that I know All that is is is psychological and that's something that they are very very focused on because he wants to get More information to you via voice, but doesn't want it to be something that damages When the voice comes to you in in general by having it be boring or just too much to deal with Well, I think what's most interesting about that is they are obviously just as concerned with data storage on your end As data delivery on their end They they don't want to just deliver the data. They want it to sink in they want it to stay They don't want you to have to do that search again That that's really that I get like you say that shows that they are thinking about the product from its point Not just from what it can do Uh and and and to that end That's why he's willing to help with the homework Uploading because to him it's like well, this is going to be helpful for them This is going to show them and and and if I'm doing my job, right? They'll actually have a better understanding of their homework when they start to read the answer the way I Deliver it to them then they would if they just ignored it So so he he's probably hoping to help them understand to do their homework better I mean you you don't not design a calculator because you're worried about people doing math You design a calculator because you think well, this is going to help them understand math better And then hopefully that leads to more and better Education and that we are building up as opposed to making it a short cut one more thing And this is is is almost more news wise and something that Uh, you should not be shocked if you see from wolfram alpha over the next year or two years And i'm completely making up that timeline But he referred to it in a way that made it sound like it was closer rather than farther Is the idea that he wants more wolfram language? This is his own code base or a code language that he's come up with uh to be Put into programs that allow you to process your own data This kind of gets back to him making himself a bot But for you to be able to plug in your own social media your own Uh data that you create every single day in any kind of digital footprint and using the wolfram language to process that and give you easier Yeah easier data computation so for example, and i'm Totally making this up but based on our conversation This is i think where he was going if i were to say hey When do i have the most time this week? It would be able to spit back based on not only historical data But also what i have on the calendar now. Well, you generally have Wednesdays from noon to three three And that's something that you know very much is within their capacity Uh, but also, you know, you can do a lot more fun stuff, you know That's something that that i got from not only uh wolfram But also other people that i talked to about machine learning that you know There is a lot of fun to this and and that's really what they almost want to lead with i saw watson demo That was you know very much about hey look We can use these very very simple watson calls to show you what celebrity you are most like Uh and and and you know so for this with this wolfram alpha thing based on what you say Who's the meanest to me on twitter stuff like that like you can You can you can find other elements that like you know once you start thinking about where things are going and how you can use the tools and even You know what we might think to be superficial kind of ways There are a lot of uh, there's a lot that kind of gets gets kicked up there And that's why i think it's no surprise that they don't want to make a wolfram alpha bot Wolfram alpha is the brains powering lots of bots Yeah, not only siri and cortana But eventually your own personal bot And maybe even steven wolfram's own personal bot. So That's it's interesting stuff. I'm really glad you got a chance to sit down and chat with him The one thing he did say that he wanted to to create as a bot was for debugging. He thought that that uh, wolfram language Development is something that could very much Uh benefit from a better bot debugging system because the it's such a robust language that you can kind of You can get to your destination in a lot of different ways because it is meant to be a little rugged and finding different ways to get there But however, you are not going there on the most direct route and that's ultimately what they want to do in terms of cleaning up development code Well fantastic, uh folks keep keep an ear out For for this sort of thing. This is what we want to do We if you're one of those people who gives us a little bit of money on paypal from time to time We save that stuff up for for one-off shots like this So, uh, thanks for letting us send just in there you guys Indeed, let's get to our pick of the day from rich and lovely cleveland. By the way, which has around 400 000 people out here He says I found an online simulator for the fantastical library of babel as described by Jorge Luis Borges in the story of the same name Basically the library of babel in that story would contain every possible combination of around 1.3 million characters Including lowercase letters. So in other words every book ever created every book that could ever be created and rich says of note A real world simulator at virtually any physical scale would exceed the size of the universe several times over so They don't have that But it's kind of amazing what they do have uh at library of babel dot info. There are approximately 20 500 000 books of random words That include reference to the daily tech news show He's been attached to one in his email to me. It's amazingly pointless as borges himself points out in the story But it's something I always wanted to see so i'm glad someone actually had the dedication to make it Now again the complete combination of all possible books would be 1.3 million characters or so this Simulator at library of babel dot info contains all possible pages Of three thousand two hundred characters. So but still that's a hundred four million six hundred seventy seven books a hundred four thousand six hundred seventy seven sorry That is that is fascinating and and look at that You know like like a a million monkeys on a million typewriters. We finally got daily tech news show Yeah, so your picks to us folks feedback at daily tech news show dot com You can find more picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks Damian and I were having an interesting email conversation yesterday. He wrote in this is his original email and said, okay I've been given some thought to the possible effects of a broad law such as the burr feinstein proposal Remember, that's the one that says you have to make your data intelligible if the court says you do He says make unintelligible seems to be aimed at encryption But may also spill over onto securely wiping a hard drive by overriding it with pseudo random data from what I understand It doesn't state that the process needs the intent of being reversible So if you made your files unintelligible by randomizing their bits Would suddenly wiping your hard drive become illegal Now here we went back around because I said well, it's not the the the law doesn't say make unintelligible The law says if the data is requested You have to make it intelligible and I said I think the reason this wouldn't apply Is that if you don't have the data if the data is deleted Then you can't say you have the data you now make it intelligible But damien rightly pointed out deleting data usually just means overwriting it or deleting a file allocation table Or you know or just putting nonsense over it you've therefore Maybe do in a sense have the data You know tom I think you just need to calm down with this because at the end of the day There's no way that a well-intentioned law can live far beyond its initial usefulness and then come back to bite people Which is something I read in the all ritz act. Yes of 1789 No, I mean I part of me wants to tell damien like no this this law will not be interpreted that way by judges We should we should be so lucky that judges understood how deleting data really does really doesn't delete data Uh, and then they would have such a greater understanding of technology But there is a and I've I've made this analogy before you're like well if you want to be the safest You shouldn't allow data to be deleted ever because you might need a later Well, I mean and also it's it's just as much about Lawyers making cases and setting precedent as it is about judges making rulings. So, uh, you know, there's it only takes one One prosecutor to make that case and have it become precedent And then all of a sudden we have uh, you know a lot of people looking at that because again the knowledge base isn't necessarily high Anyway, thanks damien for for the thought provoking email. That was great email. Yeah, uh, and thank you guys Uh, thank you. Justin robber young for for heading down to norlands and and dealing with all of the foot pain that a conference can bring So a couple gigantic thank yous that I need to put out first and foremost to the people at the collision conference They have been tremendously accommodating. Uh, they are a very very Proactive and aggressive in terms of helping media outlets. There are a ton of people here covering things and a lot of people are getting Uh, great coverage. They were great as being middlemen to a lot of the speakers. So thank you. Thank you Thank you to the collision conference, uh, for bending over backwards, but really The big thank you that I need to give is to the supporters of this show and and and the patrons Again, we are shoulder to shoulder. 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We're back tomorrow with darin kitchen and lend Peralta talk to you then The show is part of the frog pants network get more at frog pants dot com Diamond club hopes you have enjoyed this program Moe vidious Moe vidious moe natural language processing You say Moe vidious So uh, when you when you coming back you coming back today or tomorrow i'm gonna get i'm gonna i'm popping right out of here to the airport and and uh flying on home Yeah, so um next next uh Next big thing on my calendar is the night attack Uh Two weeks. Yeah, no not not this saturday, but next saturday But next saturday we are uh night attack live piano fight probably should have plugged that oh well We'll get that next week. I have a feeling we're gonna wear our ride on crowd so Uh, so title wise Uh wolfram ate my homework Like a wolf ate my homework like a dog ate my homework hungry like a wolf from I'm a sucker for a durand durand illusion. So I may be reacting there Dark lord Moe vidious is good. Moe vidious is Moe awesome. They're not data caps or data suggestions That was good. I love that collision with destiny Oh, I submitted that one. So I like it uh data cows tech gumbo Steaming with bitcoin or steaming hot bitcoins That sounds like a like something you'd find on urban dictionary. Yeah, right I I I have to say I'm partial to a wolf from eight my homework. Yeah, I can go with that. Justin. What do you think? Uh, I I think that that's uh that to me was easily the most quirky that that and the idea that uh that that he wants The tables to be sung to you uh were were the uh The the the most uh music of the table fun elements. Yeah, I mean and when you think about like God, I mean like listen that that dude is a genius in in you know, the the the purist sense He is a he is an intellectual Giant, uh, so much so that he took him Listen, this is a dude who took on science itself the concept of science So it's like he is he is certainly boundless in his ambition for what he can uh, he can think through uh But you know the the when you think about it You're like, okay. Well that sounds kind of stupid and then you think about it and you're like, oh wait that is What we do like our brain is just like Quirky in its way that it wants to accept data and if you try to give it too much dumb data Uh, then it it rejects and it makes you think But stuff like wearables we get a ton of data from wearables and we have no idea what to do with it And so it makes you question exactly how good these wearables are to begin with until we get A better way for us to feel good about the fact that we are collecting all this stuff. So Uh, it really is it definitely makes you think and it shows you why Wolf from alpha has been as successful Uh as it has been and and I think it bodes well for where it goes in the future I mean think about it if we can get hungry like the wolf stuck in our head Wouldn't you rather use that power for good? And get some data that you actually wanted to know stuck in your head. Yeah, I mean because it's just think of it like Okay, well What's been the population of Cleveland for the past five years and then read that to me in a way that like makes me Really understand, uh, you know the the the difference between, you know, 2012 and 2011 Yeah, uh, that's hard to do without it sounding dry and kind of boring But if there is a way to do that that gives you the same feeling as you do when you when you visualize it Another here another thing I've had the Cleveland demographic table stuck in my head all day. Justin So one more thing that he that he said that uh, that'll be exclusive here to the after show is uh, He actually kind of and again, this is a man who took on science, right? So I don't think that he necessarily has a ton of sacred cows and nor was he really necessarily going after the principal but he was talking about the Turing test And how Alan Turing in designing it that we think That it is a more elastic premise than Turing initially thought of it as like that that that he that Turing was looking at the Turing test based on the technology of the day And as it is now We do go back and forth with machines all the time Using voice to to visual or text to visual or or visual to voice like there There are a lot of ways that we go back and forth with somebody that if the onus was on to humans to say Hey, um, give me You know this kind of data and then it was typed back to you that would be indistinguishable You know and and and what we we almost gloss over is the idea that We have always had you know We are almost blind to the idea that we have so many diverse ways to communicate with each other In technology and that in in mixing those in mixing and matching those Maybe we've already got uh systems that are indistinguishable from from a uh from a human if you were to put it in A situation where you also had these restrictions that I can I can I can say a thing into a microphone and then you respond either via text or by a picture or something like that. Yeah Uh, it's fascinating. Yeah, I the inelasticity of it is something I hadn't thought about before Dude is smart. I'm just gonna go ahead and let y'all know, uh, steven wolff Folks breaking news He's a smart human being and I will say this I had another interview with somebody that I don't want to that I won't name but but uh, they were very very smart they were very intelligent and uh, they Were so smart and so intelligent that half of what they said went Right over my head and there was a lot of me very politely nodding and smiling Uh, steven wolff from is somebody that is a legendary genius and was was always, uh, you know I think he understands like wolff from alpha that there is there is a human nature to the explanation of tech And I think that that breathes through and everything else that he does it shows in those random edges There are a round round edge not random round round edges that you're talking about like he he puts a priority on you understanding What he's trying to tell you Yeah, yeah, he's also very very proud of wolff from language like that that dude, uh, you know If if if he could write a a a a uh a disc track freestyle on every other computer language He would do it because he is very very proud of uh, you know, he is he is he is one Uh, bejeweled uh chain away from uh from how proud he is of his uh of his creation Yeah, don't step to wolff from All right, well, I'm gonna head off to the airport All right, man. Well, thank you so much, uh for going down there and and covering that stuff and uh Is is is there anything else to throw in the treasure chest that you have? So I I In in my haste to clear stuff off the card, um I I deleted the raw files of the interview with the uh, the one of the organizers It was the interview that I chopped up for the one from yesterday. Yeah for the thing from yesterday However, I think I can pull that full interview back out of the garage bay and file that I have So we can throw that in and then I have a partial Uh interview the first three minutes of my interview with With somebody that that works on machine learning. So I can throw that in uh as as well um And also after uh, man, I'll tell you what my my recorder a robust piece of uh technology that only now having uh I've been so frustrated with it. I had to you know, Understand it more. Uh, do I realize exactly how stupid I was on so many levels about how I was using the man live at learn that's That's that's all there is to it. That's what you do Yeah, yeah Yeah Anyway, I mean I've I've deleted whole interviews that I took me a half hour to record and then had to do them over again I just I'm just going to bring you all in on a very complex moment in my life that happened yesterday afternoon And it was at the exact moment that I realized That our entire interview was on two corrupted files Steven Wolfram Stood up from the seat that he was sitting in front of me and shook my hand and said those were very good questions And so man, it was a complex swirl of emotions as uh, I had Succeeded beyond my wildest dreams and doing a substantive interview with a tech luminary And yet failed as a technician to record a single word of it. Yeah, but now you know Now I know now I know hey, listen to be honest with you Tom as long as you feel as bad Are you feel bad for me and you're not frustrated that we wasted the money that we spent on? I That said shivers up my spine just you telling that story because I've been there. It's not a good feeling Any home. All right guys. Uh, well, I will see you on the flip side. All right, man safe travels talk to you soon. Yep. All right. Bye, Roger Hi, ellie We are in upload mode now Uh, and ellie is in sleep mode now. So I think we're we're just gonna Hop off of the stream for now, but thanks everybody for watching And uh, we'll talk to you tomorrow with Darren and Lynn