 Thank you very much. And I'm really pleased to be here and it's quite an honor to be surrounded by so many entrepreneurs and innovators and of course important public servers. So thank you all very much for having me here. The question is interesting because when you look at it, when I would say 30, you know, first I never imagined that we would even have mobile phones. Just to tell you how this works. I mean, mobile phones were still a very complete rarity. One of the very first time that I came across a mobile phone. My love at the time had a mobile, you know, the regular phone, you know, the regular phone. And I carried it around in the car. It was a massive thing, you know. And it was mobile in the sense that I could take it anywhere with you. It was a massive, it was an individual device. And that was it. You wouldn't wear it there. You wouldn't wear it. It was a soft one. This was, you know. So as a complete, what we're seeing today is completely, it's your way beyond what anyone could have imagined. I remember that I, there was a time, you know, I did a lot of research on computer engineering. Professor of Law, as you know. So I was doing a lot of work in the early 1990s. Computer generated evidence. I was saying then that there will be problems with proving stuff that are computer generated because of the way our laws were written. You know, so our laws are written with script in mind. Writing on a letter, paper, letters because of marks, that kind of thing. So clearly there will be a problem with these new devices. You know, somebody sends a text. So if you like of me, if you send a text around and how do I prove it given the state of law and all that. At the time it was considered completely esoteric. Nobody thought this was made any sense. So I think what has happened in the past few years, especially in the last 15 odd years, is in my view and I'm sure there are some people who are much more fast like this than myself, I think it's just incredible that no way anyone can describe it, no way anyone can cope with even of that development. So it's really quite incredible. Thank you very much. Let's clap for you. I guess as a follow-on to that, given the piece of technological change, what things from that era, or what do you think that were the things that you would have liked to have been able to do. They're not regrets, but they're more like wishes. What are the things you would have wished, I wish this was put in place. I wish these opportunities were more widely available. Practically everything, everything I see today, I mean, fantastic if I could do it, if I could do it there. I mean, just to put one point of view of some of my involved research and legal practice, I mean, today things are so much easier. I mean, I spent, there was a time I spent looking for a case, just looking for a particular case, because I was writing on illegitimacy, I was writing a particular case on illegitimacy in Nigeria. I spent six weeks in the high court of Legos where they got their file with all the cases. And now I've got the six weeks I had a terrible cold, I was ill for a while, because I was just looking for a particular case. I've only found the case after six weeks, but now everything is digitalized. I can sit with my laptop, I can research cases from anywhere in the world, I can visit libraries, I can do all those kinds of things. I mean, I certainly would have caught short my entire, the period I spent between graduating and becoming a professor by at least half the time, because a lot of time is spent doing all sorts of stuff. And besides, look at what you guys are getting into now, I mean, payments, systems and all of that, lots of what you guys are doing. I don't think it's seeking to some of you guys who are doing what concrete occurrences and all of that. These are developments that if we have them, I'm sure they'll do better than you guys. I can somewhat believe that, but we'll see. Gognas and how you think about challenges Nigeria faces and what it needs to do to provide a better future for everybody. Research teaching exposes you a great deal to many different views. And one of the things I found with being a teacher is that I'm not bothered about criticism, because I'm criticized, my views are criticized from the very first day that I walked into a classroom. So not only am I at my work, and when I say criticism, it's more people saying I don't agree with this, I don't agree with that and argue with you about stuff. So I'm in a faculty where my work is being examined constantly, where it's being critiqued constantly. So I get to a classroom, I'm teaching students, and somebody who hasn't studied anything at all raises his hand on the fact. But first I go and agree with that. And here the guy who hasn't studied anything. After all the research. So for me, I think that what is done for me is that it helps me to be able to just, you know, I'm not worried at all about people saying I don't agree with you, or people saying I don't like what you're doing, because I face much sharper criticism than this is what I mean. So I think back, what my background has helped me to recognize that you're only one idea, or one set of ideas, and there are so many people with more, possibly more brilliant ideas. The idea is to be able to advocate those ideas for the common good. The idea is to be able to get what everybody is saying, understand what they're saying, understand that perspective and see how we can use that for the good of as many people as possible. That's basically what my background has done. So that's amazing. When you think about Nigeria over the next 30 years, what do you think is the one thing we need to get right? Really show our potential, to convert the potential that we keep saying. For me it's very narrow. It's integrity. That's what it is. It's integrity. It's about, you see the problem we have is look at the share amount of resources that we have, and look at the share creativity. Because people who are in politics, many go into politics because they want to make money from politics. And that's what I'm putting in as delicately as possible. People, many people who are in politics just want to make money from it and they want to steal resources. So it affects everything. It affects judgment. So for example, you want to build rather than pay teachers or rather than invest in education or invest in medical care or whatever it is. Because I mean paying actual individuals, it's easier to build to say I'm not going to build a road. Because it's more like it will make some money. So it affects judgment. It affects everything. I think that if we were to get people, able to hold people to account, that would be, and I keep saying that if you have an honest person, what if they present an honest man 50% of the problems are solved. 50%. Because most of our problems center around corruption. Center around the use of funds by people. Funds directly of people looking for where they're stealing from. That really is a major problem. If we give all our resources, let's just say 70% of our resources went on the things that we want them to go to or out that the private pockets could never be where we are today. Impossible. It's several times ahead of where we are. So I think that for me that's the main problem. And what do you think, before we launch into those questions, that your people need to do to ensure that there is integrity and that we are on that right path. I think the important thing to bear in mind is that integrity pays. It's the only thing that works. I was speaking to people, some members of our cabinet, and I was talking about the very idea that honesty, you know, it's not what you say is the best policy and those kinds of clichés. People really think that you're preaching a moral, that this is a moral preachment or some kind of moral attitude. It's not. It really makes sense because trustworthiness is how business is done everywhere. If you trust it, if people can trust you with credit, if it can trust you to give you credit, if it can trust you with anything, you will whatever that thing is, you're going to advance and you're going to do a lot of it. And I think the important thing is to teach people. The important thing is to get people to understand that that is not a moral issue. It's an economic issue. It's a business issue. And if you can trust it, if people can trust you, there is no way in the world that you will fail. And I think that many people like I think that many people understand that insurance is one of the most creative people in the world. Many people know that we are some of the best minds but people are worried about integrity issues when they're dealing with us. That's an amazing response. And I guess for us I mean that's something I've also found especially from business because many people think it's just a government issue. But even in business, you know, it's more personal. And it came from Mr. Eputa A.M. And I think the question, which I like a lot was what is the most valuable lesson you have learned in your current role as vice president? And how do you measure it or arrive at that conclusion? I think the most important lesson that I've learned is how difficult it is to actually get things done in our environment. I think that there is a huge gap between a stated objective and getting it done. And the reason for that is because not just in the public sector but also in the private sector we're not big on timelines we're not very big on efficiency, we're not big on productivity in a very positive sense, you know? So we let things slide. So if for example I ask you to do some work and I say you tell me I'll do the next one I'll give you the next one. It's not necessarily to give you the next one. And it's not such a big deal if you don't. So I don't even feel very angry or profited if you don't give me the next one. So if you give me two weeks time I still think well that's enough. So there's something about how we're not very big on on time, on maintaining our timelines on keeping the promises that are made on say I have said this time and I'm going to deliver at that time. I think that's really the difference between us and some other people that are in terms of productivity. And this one is one of the biggest lessons. So I have a group of most who work with me are quite young, you know, they're very, very young people. And I think that's something that they bring to the table in a lot of cases is maybe more efficiency, I think they're a bit more efficient than other people that we tend to work with. And they are and I think that really the whole idea is to get people to be much more cautious, to be much more faithful to, you know, deadlines on promises and those kind of things that they make. That's as big as the implementation, how to make sure that stuff is implemented when you set up the plan. There's going to be a small change in format which is the question one after the other. Should we take a bunch first then? Of course you know I reserve the right one so I'm not going to answer. Ok, thank you very much. So I have an analysis on employability and I agree with you that it's a major challenge. Part of it of course is that I have to do with training. It's the kind of training that people get. And I think that we suffer in some sense double jeopardy because not only is training inadequate, there's also technology that's moving so far ahead. We have robots and all sorts of technology and intelligence that are taking away jobs. This is going to be a much more complex thing for us. So when you start by people not being able to basically read and write, make presentations, critical analysis and all that to the bigger problem of technology taking away people's jobs. So it is a complicated one. But I think that one of the advantages we have is that technology is going to help a great deal in unraveling a lot of the problems. So for example in our N-Power program, the N-Power Graduate Employment Program basically the idea of N-Power is to engage graduates who have new jobs. But also to train them and the training is basically an employability side skill. So everyone has a device so put you onto a platform where we have all sorts of stuff that you can and I think that today, you know, if you look at the most causes, I was talking to John recently and they were telling me that the most subscribed to videos teaching people how to do something. And I think that a great investment that we need to make is to push people to those sorts of, to that sort of thing. Today people are going to, so after you graduate, say you have a BSE agriculture or whatever it is, you know, it doesn't necessarily make you the best farmer or even a smart advisor or a farmer. But then there's so much now, so much material available now that helps you to hone whatever skills you want to. So even all you want to do is to talk about improved seating and how to market improved seating how to even find where they are. You can learn a lot of that today. So I think really what we need to do and what we're trying to do is to push people to improve themselves and a lot of self improvement is what this is going to do. A lot of collaboration is also important. You see, my take is that we are no longer going to be able to teach the way we used to teach. And for me this is particularly important because I'm a teacher. We are no longer going to be able to do that because it just doesn't make sense. You can't teach people the way we used to teach law. No one is going to teach law like that in ten years time. So we started with clinical education where we set the problem. And you say solve the problem. You go on you have to get the principle around it. But we set the problem. So we tell you that Mr. X walked into your room saw two people dead. Another person come in the room and say Mr. X you killed these people. So you tell them from legal principles. I don't have to teach you those principles. I just show you where they are. You can apply those principles. So I come in with some kind of an interlocutor or some kind of a moderator who just shows you how those principles work for the kids. There is no time to say criminal law, the definition of criminal law is, the definition of crime is, you know, there's no time for that anymore. So things have moved along. And I think that we have to teach, we have to change the way we teach. Which is a lot of the work we did at the last educational song that we held at the last educational song. And we've been looking at these issues of critical reasoning, collaboration, pushing people to technology and using technology. So it's a, and I think it's also a big opportunity for the private sector to develop new ways of teaching. Because the next 10 years my view will be will present all of those kinds of challenges. Benjamin wanted to know that people who are in innovation find that they break wall with government. And true, I think that you are absolutely right about that. Because, and the reason is that there is no, we just have created enough platform for people to interact with government. You know, and that's why the Civic Hub is one of those excellent examples of situations where people who are innovation, especially innovation that is socially relevant have some kind of link with government. And one of the reasons why I took a particular interest in the Civic Hub, and maybe one of the very first to come here, to come and visit the hub, is because of what they were talking about. I mean for those of us in government, we want to see how the problems in government are resolved. So it's more interesting. So that interaction is important. But I think that we need to create those platforms. And I think that the various innovation, organizations or private sector people also have to make, take a trouble to break that, to break whatever that, or to open up a club for the other people. I think we just need to be much more aggressive about it. So an interaction like this is important. An interaction like this is important. It's important that we create these opportunities for people in government to come and talk, to hear what is being said, to see what's being done. And that gives also opportunities for a lot of people to interact. And I'll give you a few examples of what we've done. For instance, when we did the Aso Villa at the Mondea, I'm also sure how many people are familiar with that. That was a challenge that we were, an innovation challenge that we actually feel to innovate all over the country. And I was very well subscribed. All across the country, very many young people came together with their innovations and ideas. We finally, I think that we've over 4,000 different innovations. We worked out of labels for that called, I believe, Cardinal Thamamai. But we finally were able to aggregate about 100 or so young people who had different innovations. And we finally got down, I think 30, to come and meet with the President, and Zucca Barber was also there at that particular one. We've done another one that's been, we're also doing the students innovation challenge, which is one that we're collaborating with the City Hall for actually collaborating with the City Hall. This is a challenge, innovation challenge for students across Nigeria. And already in our talk, those who are following know that it's already online and people are applying and all that. Aside from that, we're going to do technology hubs in Nigeria and the University to start the junior life. Over everything about the space for it, they've given us space to do this innovation hub. It's going to be really, really creating hubs in every way. Even beginning from the way it's going to be built. Again, all of this is private sector. All of the young people who are working with us involved in this whole process. There's a mecca where the innovation hub YOLA, which is also government supported by the private sector, that innovation hub is one where the recently had been made up on for those who have creative ideas about solving some of the humanitarian challenges in the Northeast. And that has proved to be an incredibly well-subscribed innovation. So there are many, we're creating many platforms, many opportunities and all of that. But definitely there's a need to do much more. There's a need to do much more. But I think that innovations also have to be aggressive. They have to work, you know, because government belongs to all of us and we've got to see ways of opening up the opportunities in government. I've already talked about values and how your values are challenged all the time and how you cope. And that's a very difficult question because your values are always the challenge. Even today, my values are challenged in government as you can imagine. But you see, let me give you an example. I set out teaching and practice. And in practice, you'll find that there are people who would ask you, I mean, so you go and get a job from a bank. The common secretary wants you to stick your feet. So the common secretary says, give me 60%. I take 40%. These days it's going to be worse. So people ask you for kicking back and all of that. And I give you another example. NEPA, for example, look at NEPA, you know, it's going to fix your, what's it called, fix your meter, it's probably way better. Now let me tell you what, you see, I found and none of us can say that we're not under pressure to work with this thing. I found by experience, by experience, that you just face to stick to your values. And in both cases, those three examples that I've given you, I was involved in both examples. And I lost out of the fact. I found that I just could not, first of all, my conscience would take those things. And I just thoroughly hated the idea of having to spit at my feet with anyone. I just hated the idea. And I didn't do the work. You know, you didn't do the work. I mean, who are you? So it was just for me, I would not allow you to cheat. But at the same time, you know, there you were, you needed a job. And just an example I gave about NEPA as well. So these people come and give you some of our treasured bills. And then no one tells you you can slow down your meter. But in both cases, as I said, I got my finger story and I made up my mind. Again, I suppose fake health because I became a born again Christian. So fake health and I made up my mind that, hey, I'm just going to play this thing by the book. And I also learned that it gave me the opportunity because you see the strength that you get from being able to say that I'm not going to do this. I don't know how to describe it, but you are in a very, very powerful position. I found that my love, as soon as we made up our minds that we're not going to take, we're not going to do anything for individuals. We lost practically all of the corporate jobs that we had. Practically nobody was going to touch them. And for almost three years, we were not able to get those kinds of jobs. So we were just going to pay. Just to tell you how pervasive this corruption is. And this is private sector. But after that, we then began to get other types of jobs. We were getting intellectual property jobs, we were getting application of jobs. But then also some very good opportunities that gave us far more, far more money, far more resources. And you know the good thing? These are the guys who have not given jobs. They will say, if you want a firm that you can control, go ahead. They'll tell you that, take it away. They'll tell you that they want to take it away. So over time, it's a painful thing and there's no one can tell you that. It's not because you must take the pain away. And look at government. Government is to say everybody who comes to you, everybody comes to you. They expect you to do a deal. This is the way the country is. So we have to ask ourselves whether you want to do this or you don't want to do this. And you've got to keep people, look at that. You become a minister. That's really private sector. You have to become anything. The people who celebrate this thing, people from church, people from your faith community, people from anywhere who celebrate this thing expect that you're going to be transformed immediately. So the only show that I've got is all I watch from you is one billionaires. And then I respond by saying my salary is 1.75 billionaires in a month. That's my salary. Now, that is not my expense. Of course government pays for everything. Transport pays for everything. But that's my salary. I have more than that at least in this country. And this fellow says to me, oh God, please now. Almost as if, almost as if, forget it. That's just rough. I'm not going to wear this. That's the way people see it. People just think you must be putting your hands somewhere. You must be stealing something somewhere. And if you are not stealing you are seen as some kind of, you're almost crazy. But the truth is that no community on the grid are theft of everybody. This is not possible. It should be the exception. It can't be the rule. So we're going to set ourselves apart. I think that individuals are the same. I'm not going to do it. Oh, and it's a short term thing in my view. A short term. Once you establish a reputation for not taking pride or not giving pride, people will know it may be harder first, but after a while that reputation is good for you. And if you look at a lot of companies who work in Nigeria, especially the foreign companies, those companies that have to report to their countries and all of that, many of them have made up their minds that they're not going to do any of those things. We also know that they're not going to do any of those things. So what to deal with some of the more shady, dodgy characters from different parts of the world when they don't report stuff and all that. But people might not have their minds, but I'm not going to do it. And that's it. And if you want to do this, you can still go to that. So I think it's a tough thing, but women's form as a community of like-minded people. And I've always established that wherever people who think like me, I engage only people who think like me. I only bring up more people who think like me. I don't have people who I think might be dodgy. I can hire people who I think will raise the awareness, think the way so that we have a community of people whose ideas and ideas reinforce each other. I agree entirely. I don't have any problem with people running for office at any age. I've benefited from being very young and being able to achieve stuff while extremely young. So I mean I'm fully in support of it. I'm fully in support of that and I very strongly believe that this is the view of government. I don't think there's anyone that I've heard in government who feels that people shouldn't run for any office at whatever age they want them to run for. Frankly, I think that it's more a matter of let people play the field. But my view is that we should focus on developing ourselves. We really should focus on developing ourselves. Unfortunately sometimes because of the majority that we see in government everyone assumes that I can govern. So if that shows up today and says I've done one or two things that I can run the whole country. Sure. I mean people and it's because of the majority we see in government. That's why anybody assumes that at the age of 22 I can't be president of Nigeria. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because surely I wouldn't do this and it's true. So you say surely I wouldn't even behave like this. I wouldn't do that. So I think it's important for us to really look at how to develop ourselves, develop strong values, develop our skills, whatever way you know. I have, as I said, I work with very high number of young people in my office, very, very high number. My entire power team, I have a team of people who advise on power, I have a team of people who advise on infrastructure and I have a team of people who advise on the economy. Most of them are under 35, certainly under 40, most of them. So what do you see? What do I see? Because I also worked in a government, I started working in a government at the age of 31. I was advisor to the then federal attorney general. So I worked with him for a period of, you know, a leave of absence from an investment or a foreign. So I worked in a government. So in some sense I was trained, I became a certain general of the government because there are some time left about almost 10 years after that. But I was trained, if you see what I mean, I was trained to be an attorney general and very few people have that kind of training because I worked with one. I had seen all that there was to do, I had advised that and all of that. So he gave me a platform on which I had to really do substantial stuff. Not just, I was learning as well as the job. So I think that the experience that young people have working in government is a very important experience. Working in political parties, you know, planning elections, planning campaigns and those kinds of things. You know, honing themselves in manifestos, looking at the product challenges and problems. I think that that's a very important thing to do because really, if you are going to benefit this country as a leader, you definitely need substantial knowledge, substantial exposure and all of that. It's not just about age, you know. It's not just about age. So I think of that as a fantastic idea. Fantastic kind of a commitment to social causes, a commitment to governance in some way or the other. Because not everyone, because if you are going to work in government by and large, you are not particularly well paid, if you see what I mean. It's not like working in some of the places where some of you might work and you know, some very serious cash. It's a surprise how much of it is equity. Well, you must yield to our full equity too. But the point is that in some sense, this is sacrifice. There's also almost like a call. Social entrepreneurs, people who are doing those kind of things. There are almost invariable people who want to do this sort of thing who are motivated by these sorts of things, who like to do it. And I think government is like that too. I have a few people who are working with me who are extremely well trained, have very good degrees or not, the best universities anywhere in the world. And they have opportunities elsewhere, but they want to do this. So I think the first thing is to want to do it. Because if you want to do it, that's helpful. You know, start at least looking for the opportunities. The other thing is that we can do a lot more from the universities and this is why it's important. Do internships, you know, have young people from universities who are interested in the government. Come and work with us for a few weeks and all that. For instance, the person who works with me today, my special assistant at the university was an intern who came to me when I was a third general, which was in second year, then university. And interned with me every year up until law school and all of that. That's my senior special assistant at the university. So the internship process is important. It helps people just like in the industry. I think we can do a lot more internships with the government as well. That will create opportunities for people to work with. Next for you, I think the first was a lot of people wanting to know the challenges in transitioning from one profession to the other and all of that. I think I'm not entirely certain that I experienced a transition. And it might be strange to say so, but that's the honest truth. So I was a teacher and I was in practice as well. Because my first exposure to public service was in the area of law, and I was an advisor to third general, and then became a third general. And thereafter, you know, went back into practice and politics. And I see with politics and I've always been involved from secondary school to different. I've been involved in one course or the other. So human rights, activism, anti-corruption, child abuse. I'm a cause for this. So I think in so many ways I, so the pressure group type politics have always been involved in non-partisan politics but pressure group type, you know, being involved with this group or the other who are advocating something, you know, or the other. So in some senses I am not certain that there has been a transition. Maybe just for me it's just been a continuum as opposed to a transition. One of the things I found, for instance, I also, as you know, I passed a judge for very many years, until 2014, 2015 I was a field product. One thing I found is that all of what you learn as you go along are useful in whatever you let them become. I found, for example, that campaigning you know, for white women were campaigning in 2015, I was able to go to markets, to go in for the boss, talk to people, because I don't know that as a product. I give out my tracks everywhere, people abuse me, I give their tracks. We don't want to come to your tracks. We don't believe what you have been doing. So I think all of that, you know, works, you know, and I think that one must just embrace the opportunity, whatever those opportunities are, so that you are able to be a lot better for it. So I'm also sure that the transition I think is also, if you like, a whole complement of experiences that have shaped what I have become and what I am becoming, and I think that there is still a long way to go. Okay, so that's a lot like it. And Sarah wanted to know, Sarah, your concerns about health care and about government or government. Absolutely, I agree with you that we haven't met the targets at all. There's a 1% in the health act and all that. So unfortunately, one of the problems we have with this 1% thing is that practically every sector is 1%, 2% pool. The other day we were totaling the 1%, 2%, you know, a 1% and that's without providing for anything else. So it's probably not the wisest approach to it because everyone struggles for their, you know, and that would have people write legislation and they would have presented it. Now, it's important for us to invest in health care and education. Absolutely, and no one denies that. But we can't invest, you know, my view from a project alone. What has happened in the past is that we've always insisted that we're on a project for health care. What we're pushing is national health insurance. There has to be a different way of funding health care. Today everybody is out of health care, people are paying out of health care for everything. Whereas we should have a national health insurance scheme. We have one, but it's not been made compulsory and everyone has to contribute to it. But that's the only way to fund health care of a country of almost 200 million people. There's no way we can budget it. The other thing is that people tend to look at national budget as the federal budget, as the budget funding health care. By the way, as you know, the states are primarily responsible for health care, not the federal government. As with education, the states are primarily responsible. So primary schools and secondary schools are run by states. Federal government has only 100 schools, you know. But people tend to focus on what federal government is spending whereas we ought to focus on what the states are spending. Because the states that are responsible for these things are constitutionally. So there's no way the federal government can provide funding for the states by education. No way. So the federal government supports the states. So far, we've supported the states under this administration, between 1.91 trillion in error. That's support for the states. The problem is that the states also need to generate their own income. They need to be idea. Most states are not generating. They just don't have to be generating enough. So focusing on health care and all of that is a function of how much you have and then trying to devote some resources to it. And I think that we're getting a lot of that. You know, for instance we're looking at malnutrition. And this is one of the issues that came up when our discussion of bigger gates are called. We're looking at malnutrition. So children between the ages of 0 and 5 need to be fed. We have a school feeding program where we're feeding about 7 million children today. It's not the health care, it's what I mean. It's an important bridge to what we're talking about. So we know that this feeding addresses the question of malnutrition. And we tend to continue to do it because it's an important part of the whole health care process and all that. So there are different programs also that may not be factored into spending for health care spending but also part of health care spending. But overall, I agree with you entirely. There's far that we have a long, long way to go in terms of I think we just have to be much smarter about it now. We have to look at national health insurance as a major way of funding. I did, I wanted to know what tech giants, how government is supporting the tech community. I can't tell you that there's a very moderate focus on government supporting the record. I've talked about the various challenges and all of those things that we're putting out there. We're encouraging. But there's a, I know that there's an innovation fund that BOI has. And the CBN has also been talking about creating a fund for innovation for technology and innovation. The same way I can have a fund for hospitality, hotels, etc. And I think that that's an important thing if we're able to get back down especially the CBNs, they have much more money. But aside from those expected plans, there is no real focus, if is what I mean, on trying to fund technology startups or technology generally. Frankly, I believe that technology by itself, you know, I think it's such an incredible growth area. And people are always, there's so much money that's going to come. Of course it will be helpful if government supports by low interest, low amount of that. But I think the innovation by itself has such a wide range of opportunities. And people are making tons of money for what I see you know, plus the way I call Angela, all the people all the people, all the different businesses, they're doing all sorts of things, you know. In fact, I think we should really be thinking very seriously about, you know, looking at our taxes more. So we're taxed. Yeah, we're taxed. I can guarantee. Okay, for me, mental, no role models, what can we do? The truth is that if we're getting a set of values around which we all agree it's an important thing. And I think that I've talked in the past about building a new tribe you know, a new tribe in the life of Nigerians who agree on certain critical things. I think that a lot of it has to do with what you know, I mean, look at the basic integrity, the basic trustworthiness. Not respecting ethnicity, not necessarily respecting ethnicity. So for example, we should bother ourselves about where people are from, whether they're Igbo, Yoruba or Hausa or whatever it is. We should look at questions around resistance. So where do you live as opposed to where you're an indigene or whatever it is? We should be emphasizing those things. Because those things only exacerbate the problems that we have about the people and don't help us in any way. In any event, I know for a fact that it doesn't matter what people are from. You have excellent people from everywhere. Some of the worst people you know are probably people from your own ethnic groups. So it's not, sorry, an irrelevant in my view which is an irrelevant consideration in terms of building societies and building communities. So I think it is common to agree on certain values, agreeing on those values and trying to live up to those values. The question of role model I think all over the world, people are finding it very difficult to find role models. That's really the truth. So maybe what we need is some kind of blockchain technology. That's where we're all just going to get the magic of it. We're not looking up like that. We're looking more like that. Because really, this is something that I agonize about all the time. That we need to be able to come as a community, as a group of people, as opposed to necessarily looking for people who represent. People at one point over time anyway. So I think even if we are able to get agreed on values and we start building a community of people who agree on those values. Thank you. Thank you very much. What do you think, you know, there's a group of very influential young people in this room. They're all going to go out and do amazing things. As we think about the Nigeria that we need to have over the next 30 years, what are the things we need to keep in mind now? And going into the future, where should we be building knowledge and investing? What should we be dedicating our hours of service to ensure that this country can be just like the progress you've seen over the last 30 years. We can also come back and tell the same stories about how Nigeria was part of the progress that the world sees over the next 30 years. Personally, I think a lot of time is spent on education. That is educating people, educating young people wherever they are. And I think technology offers that opportunity in very many unique ways. So for me, I think the greatest conclusion that we can make, that young people can make, is trying to create platforms to educate other people. When you look at what's going on all over the country and many parts of the country, there is a problem with education. As a problem with education, lots of people out of school, we need to get to them, we need to reach these people, somehow or the other. I think government has an important role to play, by government, state government, local government, but also private people, especially people of access to technology who can use the technology to educate, to bring people on board. And I think also the whole concept, that whole concept of social entrepreneurship, where entrepreneurship is not just for a profit, where there is something that you are contributing to society. So you are not just building a business that's just looking in one direction. You are building a business that also is helping your community, helping people. And we can look at that and say, not only, so this is our profit, so our profit this year was 100 million, but our profit also was 100,000 young people that we trained and all of that kind of thing. Not just a business. And it's not just a CFR thing, so it's built into the business world. We call that a mission-driven entrepreneurship. Fantastic. That's very good work. Yeah, so it's not just about, it's not social entrepreneurship, it's about building a business that has a purpose, that enriches the life of the community. Because as I like to say, you have to have a society to make money. If you don't have a society, you are Afghanistan. I don't think you can build your nest in Afghanistan, you are seeing them on the cover of Forbes. And if they are, they probably can't show their face. But it's about building those two together. So this has been a real honour. Thank you so much for taking the time. I think this has been an amazing honour. Thank you. This is our Kufa Law. Our Kufa Law is a graphic artist. No, he's not here. He's one of our company members. He works from Lagos. He works with a very busy guy. He started the graphic movement in Nigeria. And he's been featured on various programmes, on different platforms like CNN or BBC. He's been doing us really proud. He was also commissioned by Lagos State Government during the Lagos Act 50 event. So I don't know if anybody, most of us here are familiar with Lagos. If you are familiar with the Law School bus stop, there's this graffiti art. He was the one that did it. So that's just to show how amazing you are. So I really do appreciate you. Thank you. Have everyone seated and we'll have the...