 Anyway, Elijah long time no see It's a Boris. It's been a while, but I've been stuck in the stock. What do you mean? I've been stuck just back-to-back exams classroom like lecturing I've been doing a lot of like presentations recently like that was kind of weird for a little bit. Um Presentations. Yeah Presentations stuff like that and it's hard because like you're already like studying for like exams every week And then you get like presentations and then you have to go to like do these quizzes on top of that and you have to do like Like service hours and volunteer hours. It's it's a lot. You have to volunteer hours for my program. Yeah Oh my god It's just been a lot. It's it's like I'm so mentally fatigued. I feel like I'm just going on like autopilot at this point Yeah Yeah, there's like it wasn't like the first exam where it's like, oh, okay, like I'm very like in the moment You know what's happening And then I just got blasted without one month where I feel like I didn't even like see you anymore Boris Yeah, we were going kind of consistent for a minute and then Elijah just went dark And it's like damn he disappeared, but I know how it is I totally get it and I I think I've been finding a group now. I've definitely like The exams have been less frequent because I was having like two a week Now I'm only having like one a week. So I've been kind of Like trying to reel it back especially since I've had so much family like visit recently Boris has done this. I think a couple weeks ago I had my mother-in-law come and then my brother and sister-in-law came and now my cousin surprised me this week Oh, jeez But it's like it's crazy because I can't even spend time with them because they're with my wife right now But I'm here in school. I'm actually like in a study space right now studying while my My cousin's out with my wife and they're just going to the spot and stuff like that. That's how it is, man Yeah, it's it's it's tough. I mean, I don't want to just do nothing at this point and just Sometimes honestly you kind of just need to like It's easy to feel pressured After you've been studying and you've been away for so long that like any free time you have You should be spending with your wife and your kids And whoever but all you really want to do is just sit there and just do nothing for a while I kind of did that this past weekend. I mean, I was like, you know what? I have an exam coming up My cousin is here. Like she just surprised me. I didn't expect this. I had I really had my like study schedule planned out But I'm like, you know what? I know how to study for micro. I already know what to expect on the test I know how to study efficiently for it because I've had like what like 15 exams at this point So I was counting. Yeah, who's who's counting? Yeah, but yeah, I took the weekend for myself and for my cousin and family and it was nice It was nice to just take a step back and you know, even now I should be studying but you know, I was like I haven't seen Boris in a while. I miss him. I was talking to him. I miss you too. So here we are again Yeah Yeah, I'll make sure I send you the 75 cents this video is going to produce as far as adsense goes Oh, yeah, I'll need it for Yeah, there you go Where are you at right now, boston? No, you're in new jersey jersey. Yeah. Okay. I'm gonna surprise you two randomly be like, hey, guess what? Yeah, yeah, just text me if you're here, man. I'll like I'll just drop whatever I'm doing. We'll just hang out I don't think I've ever been to jersey and I can't really think of any reason to go besides Elijah It's there's not really much to do here. It's like very rural, especially the university. I'm at Um, I feel like there's more to do on the other campus, but yeah over here. There's not really anything to do I feel like it'd be more fun to go to Yeah, for sure. Like if I'm going east coast, I'll go like Philly, Boston, New York City I haven't really thought of going to jersey There's nothing to do here. Not really But you know, that's what me and my family love. It's it's suburbany. It's it's rural Uh, there's not much to do. Yeah But anyway, so you got a scholarship I did I'm more dispersed it to me. Um, it was called the champions endowed scholarship. So what is it champions endowed? Yeah, I didn't specifically apply to the scholarship. I applied to Like a general scholarship through my school And then they basically send my application to a bunch of different scholarships um And then yes, so they a bunch of committees like uh from these different scholarships reviewed my application And that's the one I got. Um, yeah, you can type in Rutgers There it is curious as to what this thing is. I've never heard of it It was quite a lot. I I was talking to the lady who Inform me that oh like you got a scholarship. Um, and I forgot I even applied to the scholarship. Oh, yeah But she was saying like, oh, yeah, like it was like one of the highest awards And I think I ended up getting around Close to four thousand dollars from it. Whoa It was it was pretty big Let's see where Oh, this guy based on financial need and advocate academic merit Yeah, and there's like a bunch of different ones that you get a um So it's like a general application you fill out and they send it out to these specific ones Like I don't have to apply to each specific scholarship Oh, it's like a general application for all these scholarships. Yeah And there's so many of them There's a lot. Yeah, and there's like pa specific ones, but I can apply to those until I'm in my second year because they need to see my grades from These past semesters. Yeah, there it is pa students who will be in their second or third years I'm sure that fall 2022 is not accurate anymore No, I got a date the details on criteria. So yeah, I wish we had stuff like this. We never did anything like this Or maybe you had it or like they just didn't make you aware because my program never made us aware of any of these Scholarships. Oh, who told you about this? Oh, I just I was just looking Oh, damn, you're so resourceful because I like I never knew about any of this stuff I had a couple second years that I was close to before coming into school And they kind of told me like, oh, yeah, you should have applied to these So I did and I got a pretty hefty amount. So I was really happy with that Dude, that's pretty awesome. I mean like in the grand scheme of things It's kind of a drop in the bucket, but like while you're a student for grand That's a lot. That's a lot of that's a lot of money. That's Right for like three months. Yep. Exactly. And it'll help because like Three grand like even like coming out of school like that's a lot of money because I don't know What is that like a week or two working as a p8? That's cool If you're traveling, it's like a week if you're not traveling. It's like Like a paycheck like yeah by week we paycheck But yeah, it was something on what you do It was a great scholarship and I you know try to find other ways of Of cutting costs like Um waving my health insurance and just apply to basically Medicare because I'm a student and I would be able to Be eligible for that. So true That's another thing is like Medicare or Medicaid I I don't know. I know it's under the medic Care umbrella, but it's like state specific to New Jersey. There's a different like umbrella term for it, but Um, basically it's like Medicare for New Jersey residents I mean, that's nice. These are all ways that people don't think to save money Especially like adult students who are not on their parents insurance plan anymore, right? Yeah, you can get Medicare or Medicaid. I'm not sure which one Um, I would imagine Medicaid because you're just like a healthy young low-income person I wonder if you could even like draw unemployment or something I don't know about that one. I've been looked into that But I know I'm saving a lot because my school's health insurance was close to like three grand for the year Wow, so that's like another three hand that I'm saving that too So that's another okay. So let's say you apply for some scholarships You get like a $4,000 reward like Elijah And you get Medicare, which I mean everybody should be eligible for Uh, that's seven grand. You just saved that year That's a lot. That's a lot of much. That's a lot Grand in a case school is like six big years, but that's still like a good chunk of it I mean, it's What if it's like let's say it's 100k. That's seven percent seven percent. It's pretty damn good. That's like About what the s&p goes up every year. Mm-hmm. It's like what inflation goes up in like two days nowadays I am guilty of using some of that money towards my anniversary gift for my wife. So That's a loud. That's like uh, that's a lot Oh, that's cool. Yeah, I've been like pretty frugal Just because I've been living like the student life for a while now So I'm just used to it and mean my wife even talked about it after school's done Like we want to still like somewhat be somewhat frugal I always joke whether that she's going to be like the cushy resident in med school, but We still want to like be somewhat frugal You say that now Yeah You say that now. I don't know I don't know. I feel like everything goes back and forth. Like you start making money and then you kind of You either go crazy right away And then you realize I need to reel it back or you start going not crazy and you try to be smart And then the opportunity to go crazy comes and you just can't like not do it I don't know man. Like it's whatever. It's fine We'll see what happens kind of regret buying some things but it also happens No, so it's pretty cool that like I wonder if a lot of programs have these scholarships that they may or may not tell you about Maybe something you can ask like the dean or your professors about or just kind of google You know just googling googling is your best friend. Just scholarships type in your pa program or the or like the school For me. Yeah, I go to records, but it's under the umbrella of record. So it's records and then Rectors like health or something like that So, yeah, like this falls under like the yeah the shp. Yeah school of health professions So there's records university and the school of health professions, which is a school under like a different college and directors which Like embodies like the pa program the ot program stuff like that Yeah, so I mean even if your professors don't know Um, one you could probably just in person go to the financial aid office. Maybe somebody there would know Um, and whether or not they do you could just google it and then figure out how to apply I mean if like if so few people know about these things that means probably not a lot of people are applying for them Which increases your chances You know what a good chunk of my classmates did I think at least half of my class which is like 25 Half of 50. So like around 25 students. I think applied to it, but only like three or four of us Ended up getting the scholarship. So it is still kind of competitive a little. I'm sure it is Um Student service. So there's a bunch of different scholarships I'm sure like some like you have to do with certain things. Maybe you do volunteer hours or write an essay Yeah, uh, that kind of thing some of them. Maybe you just kind of get I just use my personal statement from test book There you go. Oh, I probably shouldn't say that but whatever. Yeah, I use my personal statement from test book It was a great story. I thought they liked it. It literally is man. I mean whatever there's nothing wrong with reusing it But yeah, this is cool. So that's definitely an option. Did they tell you guys at all about a heck I don't even know what that is. What is that? Forget what it stands for Um, we have this So it might be just a new york state thing. I'm not certain But new york state schools I'm sure there's other things that are comparable throughout other states, but new york state schools and there's I don't know How many at least 10 pa programs in new york state? Uh, they have this which I forget what the heck it stands for uh, academic Holy crap health profession. I don't know it doesn't say what the acronym is but basically it's uh, it's like government grants Intended to train training health professionals. So like doctors dentists pa's To take care of like lower income kind of folks And so if any of your rotations happen to be in those kinds of areas They will pay for one you get like a 500 bucks or a thousand bucks or something Uh, and they will pay for like housing and travel and stuff like that Did you say rotations or like rotations? Oh rotation. Yeah, so this is another second year thing Oh, that's so cool Although it maybe it says it's a two-year thing. So maybe they start doing it during the first year too Yeah, because I mean it was like a pilot program when I did it And like when I presented it nobody was interested And so it wasn't competitive at all. You just like write an essay and you're like, I want to take care of rural populations because x y and z And then, you know, they accept you and then they do like this training and like some other stuff that you have to do basically extra classwork just not a lot of it And then they gave you like a little bit of money. I think it was like maybe a thousand bucks Uh, which is nothing to sneeze at but the main thing is they gave you a big budget for travel So like, for instance, if you do rotations, that's like three hours away from campus, you know, you have to find somewhere to live They'll pay for that Oh, really? That was nice I wonder if this applies to programs that like aren't In new york city. Yeah, like put it from like close enough like in jersey, but I do rotations in new york city New york state, you mean our state sorry. I don't know You can certainly ask it says new york state a heck system. So I don't know I don't see why not Oh, there's the acronym. It's on the top left Uh Very top left very top left of the screen. Oh jesus health education center system ny s area new york state Area health education center system. Okay, sure So much like acronyms. It doesn't flow that well together, but it makes sense. Yeah, I don't even think it makes sense But either way, yeah, they'll like they'll train you like On the needs that rural and and urban populations have for health care and then they'll basically pay for Travel for your rotations and whatnot, which is cool And this kind of like builds on like what we've kind of talked about this before where there's like also programs You can do after you graduate like as a postgraduate. We talked about the nhsc Um, and now we have like this option, uh, at least for schools in new york state where you can essentially Rotations are seen as you working for free. But if they're gonna pay for your travel and like give you like a thousand dollars typed in That's amazing. Like then you're not technically working for free. Like you're I mean, it's almost like you're working You're practicing for free. Yeah, exactly. I don't know like you could frame it that way that you're like working for free uh, or it's like you're Actually technically you're paying to work because you're paying tuition That's true. Yeah, but it's like I don't know how I'd frame it. I wouldn't say you're working for free. I would say You're working You're getting experience without any of the risk And working under somebody else's license That that that's true, you know, because like right now like i'm practicing medicine, right? If I make a mistake and it's a terrible mistake, that's my ass. That's my license. I'm screen As a student you're kind of doing the same thing, but it's under somebody else's license Right, you're pretty separate. Yeah, which is a tremendously good thing for you to do because you're like It's just good You know, you can actually do things you can practice without the repercussions because you're gonna like run it by your preceptor Uh, yeah, I wouldn't call it working for free But it's like Yeah, I mean there's so many opportunities for you like you guys to just Find ways to pay for school or help like trip off some of them out It is big and you know what I like boris said I don't know maybe my specific class A lot of us apply to the scholarship But there's some programs in some schools where no one applies to these scholarships at all. Yeah, my cousin is um A financial aid advisor over at cast state long beach in california. She would tell me like yeah None of the nurses would apply to the nursing scholarships and it's there's basically no competition at all for it Yeah, free money and nobody's taking advantage of That's uh, that's a lot like what the aaheke thing was like we got the presentation and as soon as they said two hours of extra coursework Everyone just like checked out They're just like no, I'm not doing this But then I don't know I just like on a whim decided to apply and like only five of us applied and five of us got it So we all got we did that. Yeah. Yeah, I did it. Oh Yeah, so I knew about it was kind of disorganized because it was brand new So I knew that there was going to be a small stipend which ended up being I think like 1200 bucks You know something Um, what I didn't know is that there was a travel budget So like there was places that I went that were well over an hour away from my home So I ended up paying for an airbnb and I didn't know that they would cover it Oh, wow So then the very last one that I did that was like four hours away. I got like the most expensive freaking apartment to just use up that budget But what's the budget like it was like 5k? That's so much Right That's so nice. Yeah I mean, I can't like speak to what it is now. I don't know if it's still like that. I would imagine it is But yeah, like you already have your apartment in whatever city your school's in And then you need other housing that's like further away. So you're gonna be you know paying for that It's kind of nice to have that paid for So you didn't do partitions like near school, huh? You did it kind of far Like half of them were right in Syracuse were right around the school um A few more were within like maybe one or two hours kind of like cities that are close by and then there was one That was like four hours away Okay, yeah Would you say that's common for like yeah, no, okay, so Just for future reference for me because I'm also looking into rotations or no I'm wondering like do I need a car? I'm like I have to pull out extra loans for like to be in a hotel essentially if I'm like that far away Hotel Airbnb a lot of times they have connections like where students have already stayed Yeah Because they have like nightmare stories like students trying to stay in their car renting like a tent It's like crazy shit to save money And then they're like, please don't do that. Please stay here like this nurse said that you can stay with her Like this doctor said that he has a spare room that kind of situation a lot of times they have connections Oh, thank goodness How am I gonna pay for my apartment and pay for an Airbnb or what slash hotel loans Student loans got it. Yeah, I guess like I don't know. I've never had or I had student loans in undergrad I never had them for PA school and I guess they give you quite a bit Oh like in loans to yeah, actually travel for like living expenses and and whatnot. Yeah That's weird because I'm I'm over here talking about being so frugal in my first year and all my loans are going to be literally my rotation Yeah Yep So the way I know that is this house. I just talked to a couple of medical students who are going to rent it Hopefully soon And they were talking about how they're going to use their student loans to pay it And they were like they give us so much money for student loans like we can afford it Yeah, you can actually pull up so much from student loans. It's kind of it's kind of dangerous I mean for an md like a doctor students. I guess they're probably pretty liberal They're just like hey, you're going to be making a lot here as as much as you want Yeah, then if you fail out like you're totally screwed. Oh, yeah You're so rude. That does happen. People do fail out. They literally do. Okay. So that's something people don't think about is like Let's say medical school or pa school or dental school You pull out all these loans a lot of people don't think about the you know, pretty remote possibility But in every class there's at least that one guy or that one girl that doesn't make it So now what do you do you pulled out a hundred k in loans? And now you don't have that hundred to three hundred thousand dollar salary to pay them What do you do now? You can't bankrupt them their student loans So you're like so screwed So either you got to try to get back in or like just find a different path Look like yeah, literally that's one thing that people do not consider Like so that's okay. I'm gonna go on a rant. So That's one thing that bothers me a little bit is so I'm part of like the pre pa community because obviously this is our business But I see all the time in these pre pa groups someone posts like I got in I'm gonna be a pa You probably will be a pa But what if you're not? What if you don't make it? Yeah, what if you don't make it? There is somebody in every class that doesn't make it That either fails out within the first semester and the second semester keeps getting recycled and keeps trying and trying doesn't pass their pants like Yeah, you probably will But I don't know. Just just be careful So we actually didn't have someone Uh, we don't kick out anyone or dismiss them as fast in our program. I think I think what happens is Like you're given some sort of grace Which is in the form of like deceleration. So you would just get decelerated to the next class So yeah, basically you take like a leave of absence and then start again with the next year We've had people do that, but sometimes they don't make it Sorry, oh, I've called Um, yeah, no, we have that and somebody in my class. I think was decelerated for like the third time And I'm not still not certain if they actually made it through or not So Yeah, I mean third time a third time That's three years. Yeah. Oh my oh, yeah That's scary Right, so imagine doing all of that and then not making I mean, gosh, there's it's weird because I was just on this like In this uh rabbit hole on youtube the other day looking at like what happens when PA students or med students Fail out of school. Yeah, and it was It it's crazy, but like I mean that it does happen people do fail out and I think the most important part is if you're in that population and it's not that big of a population There's not that much info on what to do. Yeah I think the best thing to do is just really just find yourself again Right, like what's your why if you if this is really what you want to do Right, it's it's honestly just getting past didactic. That's how I feel I don't know. I haven't reached clinicals yet, but I feel like just When you get over the hump of didactic, I feel like rotations. Yeah, it's also a beast, but it's really did to what you want to do and I think that It's hard for Especially for me and some of my classmates like to see past that didactic and I think that's why some of us aren't doing as well Because we don't see the clinical relevance. Like it's not interesting to us. We're learning about microbiome biochem again basically and it's Yeah, but feeling it's It's it's rough I I wouldn't even know how to advise someone on like what's the next step besides just taking a step back and You know like reevaluating life and study habits You know and like using it as a drive to push you even harder next year Yeah I think it would be so situation specific If somebody was you know asking for our advice for that But yeah, the main thing I think I agree with Elijah is like, why did you why did this happen? You know, is this really not for you? Is this because I don't think you have to be that smart to make it through PA school You really don't like they're gonna tell you in your first year Like you're the smartest students blah blah blah. Maybe I'd say hardest working Yeah, and most motivated Oh, yeah, you definitely have to put in work You can't just well there are some students. I can just read things and Are just not really gifted but yeah, we had some of those um But yeah, I think like smartest smartest like highest IQ was like your physicists. You're like chemical engineers Like rocket scientists like that kind of stuff I think medical people are very very motivated and hard-working some are like super brilliant But mostly we're just like super hard-working. Yeah, and just like we don't quit um Which all that goes to say like if you are doing it if you failed for whatever reason out of PA school or med school for some reason like the evaluation wouldn't be why Like what's wrong with me? Am I not smart enough? It's why didn't I try hard enough or why? Where my study habits not good enough Like, you know, what can I fix or why is this is just not what I really want. So I wasn't motivated You know, you got to figure that out and then there's like also like extenuating circumstances because my class made it wasn't only Uh adapting to PA school because that was like our first like hell month Uh, but she also got like sick with COVID and yeah, it's just a combination of things that caused her to like essentially Struggle in the first month. So she Had to decelerate but now she knows like what to expect next year and she like I guess knows try not to get sick But I mean, how do you how do you stop that? Like you don't but you just push through and I don't know like What happens if you're practicing and you get sick? Do you see going? I mean, it's tough, but maybe take a day off or cure in there, but like I don't know. I'm just You just do it like just sit in the back of the classroom. So no one else gets sick I end up yeah, wear a mask and Take your vitamin D and your zinc and your vitamin C and drink your orange juice and you'll be fine Probably not medical advice But yeah Yeah, that's a tough one a tough one that people don't talk about is like what happens if you fail your pants Or if you fail out of your program every program Like almost no programs have a complete zero attrition rate There's usually people getting recycled or failing out at least one or two here and there You know, so yeah something to think about Yeah, I mean it is a touchy subject, but Hopefully people who like are in that situation reach out to the right advisors and Like I like connect with others who have also been in the same situation, but I've actually like thrive Yeah, you know and at the end of the day if you got decelerated once or twice But make it in the end like who cares your job isn't gonna ask you like Oh, you ever decelerate? Yeah, like they'll never ask you that. Yeah, that's not really something that they think about They're just like are you certified? Do we like you? Yep. Yeah, like uh something i'm going to talk about on a future video But I actually got really close to failing out of the program during second year During clinical year. Oh god, we're really. Oh, yeah, because like Didactic it doesn't end at didactic Because during clinical year like one there's rotation. So it's like you're evaluated on your performance and your performance might not be good Uh, that's certain rotations Two there might be like Elijah said extenuating circumstances Something might be going on in your personal life or you get sick or whatever and like screws up your whole rotation You know a core rotation. You got to have that Um and three you could fail a uh end of rotation exam Because they have those after every single rotation and they're really hard You know, so I've definitely seen like some of my classmates They failed one and then they got really close to another one and like if they failed another one Then you're recycled all the way back Or they do some sort of remediation. I don't know but like it's certainly possible to fail in clinical year too Well, I didn't even I knew as a possibility. I just feel like it happens more didactic or no It does. Yeah, usually more people are weeded out and didactic, but it's certainly possible in clinical Okay, very very possible Well, that's scary boys. I didn't know you're in that situation speaking from personal experience. Yep I had to do an extra rotation I was this close and you know not making it Do you mind me asking which rotation it was pediatrics? Oh I'm not gonna do all there to either I don't know. I mean like one at zero experience with pediatrics in my Like free pa experience. I have zero experience with kids like now my my sister as a kid So I got some experience Yeah, being an uncle and just also just like You know working with kids now and urgent care like I've got way more experience But like I had no experience with children whatsoever in any way shape or form So I was going into this thing like what are these things like I don't know how to interact with this thing And like I don't know it was just so bizarre because I've never worked with kids in any way shape or form There was no kids in my family. I'm the youngest in my family and I was 30 at this time So it's like I literally did not know anything to do with kids Didn't know how to talk to them. Didn't know how to inject, you know Vaccines into them. Didn't know how to treat them. I just didn't know anything about kids So I was already starting on like a foot back um I just completely smashed the e o r because there's not really all that much to learn for the pediatrics e o r But like practically yeah, yeah practically it was rough Yeah, it was like I remember my first interactions in the ed when I was a tech It was really like oh, it was so different But I mean having a fund I was able to like, you know, kind of adjust back But it's it's so different. It's like, yeah, you really can't talk to them like adults like No, you can't no you cannot and It's just a lot of different things. Yeah, it's so different. Okay, so I can see why I can see why that can be a part of the parents That too. Oh my gosh because you're treating the parents. You're not treating the kid essentially you're treating the parents They're the they're your historian. They're the ones that it's just a very complicated dynamic And then also children are terrifying because they're okay until they're not Yes, like adults they'll be like, oh, I had bronchitis a year ago And now I this is starting to feel like bronchitis and I know it's getting bad and I want to nip it in the bud A kid is just going to be running around until they just can't breathe and then they're Yo, yeah So kids are terrifying and then there's the whole getting used to the migs per cake. They're like Weight-based dosing as opposed to just regular dosing for adults. Yeah, like it's kids are scary Until you're more used to them Oh my gosh. Yeah, I think I think in class today we have an ethics class where we talked about like how I think Like a nursery provider like administered like the wrong dose dosage. Yeah, because it's like you said like it's weight-based It's so easy to do because they'll let you prescribe it. Yeah, it's not gonna flag you It's just okay. There it goes and the parents don't know shit. Like they're not providers So they'll be like, oh, well the provider said Take this dose. I'll give junior 15 milliliters of this shit And then oh, no, why is junior like passing out and oh man, they don't have a pulse Like that's because you overdose them Or it's something that you really needed to treat and you underdose them and now they're in trouble and it's still your fault So it's like children are so scary Because one they don't know what's going on Two they can't tell you what's going on, especially if they're little three They're okay until they're not for getting Very comfortable with doing math milliliters per kilogram And you have all these like resources like you have apocrates and you have pd And you have like all these like little spreadsheets everywhere that are just passed down But you can't trust that you have to know the makes per cake and then do it yourself because like If something happens and you go, well, I was using this chart that my co-worker gave me that's not gonna hold up in court Oh, yeah, so you better know it yourself by how many makes per cake. Are you doing do the math? It's terrifying. I'm getting I'm getting scared You should be you should be if you're practicing medicine and you're not even a little bit scared You're gonna make a mistake I Everyone in my class today had a story about medical mistakes. It was crazy. There's always a medical mistake Oh, yeah, tabby. Hopefully when you make one, it's you know, nobody gets hurt Oh, oh, yeah, hopefully my goodness. There there's so many horror stories out there. Mm-hmm I mean Say what you will about the u.s. Healthcare system because we We always say like we treat the lawyers. We don't treat the patient So like there's a less than 1% chance of this happening But I still have to like do the testing and or the treatment to make sure that it doesn't because if I miss it then I'm screwed You and that treatment ends up hurting the patient, you know access antibiotics xx steroids, whatever Like that there's that but at the same time that kind of thinking makes you way more careful than you otherwise would be Oh, yeah, you know Like I had a guy come in with testicular pain. He was currently asymptomatic I did the exam. He wasn't tender. There was nothing going on, you know, abnormal in the exam However, he's like it comes and goes it's been coming and going for two months. Sometimes it lasts before like an hour It's spontaneous. I can't tell him that he doesn't have torsion and torsion can be You know at least testicle threatening slash possibly life threatening, right? Um, so even though he was feeling totally normal exam was normal I still said you need an ultrasound pronto. You need to go to the er So he's gonna spend 17 hours at the er for something that may be nothing Then again, if he has torsion, he's gonna be glad I sent him Oh, yeah, it's like a Like falls in line with that culture of like cya like cover your ass But at the same time like you can't you never know, you know to be careful Yeah, you want to be extra careful and like the more experience you get the more you can be like, okay Yes, you have pneumonia These antibiotics will probably cover it your o2 saturation is fine. You sound okay You know, you're it's only been going on six days You're stable. You're hemodynamically stable. You're not having trouble breathing Let's just treat you with antibiotics and have you closely follow up Whereas before when I was brand new. Oh pneumonia hospital everybody. I don't care if you're 25 Everyone's coming to the hospital. Everyone's. Oh, yeah. Yeah, when I when I don't know everyone goes um so it's like You start being way more careful and when you have more experience you're kind of more selectively careful Yeah, I mean, I feel like that one's anonymous with so many things, right? Like practicing as a PA being a past student where you like go hard and studying the fruit and then dial it back Yeah, you'd rather go to 100% Yeah, just comes with experience you're in Yeah, yeah, it's just how practice is in your first few years I don't know how I got on that time. How did we get on that tangent? I don't know That's how that's how our conversations usually go. We just kind of We feed off each other's energy Yeah, true True and we have four minutes left in this recording. So we should do One last topic unless you want to just do like a pants review Yeah, yeah, let's do a pants review