 Okay, that is a good historical assessment of LBJ. How did you personally feel about it? Well, I really liked the man. I mean, I thought that he was so utterly human. He expected loyalty, he expected people to be loyal to him totally, and I thought myself he deserved loyalty. If you weren't loyal to him and believed in him and his programs and you had no business working for him, and he didn't, as far as I ever saw, he didn't mind you presenting your point of view to him before he made a decision. On the other hand, there were not too many people who were able to stand up to him and were not cowed by him. I think interestingly enough, two people who are often thought of as being mere patsies for him were probably the two people who were totally uncowed by him and willing to state their own points of view, and those were Dean Rusk and Ramsey Clark. Now, Ramsey, the president disagreed so much with what Ramsey was doing, but somehow or other he didn't mind when he was with Clark personally. Ramsey was stabbed up to him and the president didn't react to that. Now I would never stand up to the president, but I was just a very small cog in his machinery, but I thought the man was a marvelous human being, very warm to the people who were around him. He always cared about you and what you were doing in your family. He would help staff members out and not want any credit for it. I think maybe the most impressive incident of that was George Reedy had problems with his feet, hammer foot I think he had, and he had to have an operation, but he didn't have the money, and the president gave him the money, but swore everybody to secrecy, so I don't know that George really knew about that when he died. That was the kind of man he was. Sherwin, what about the staff, at least the ones that you worked with closely? What's your assessment of that? I thought the staff was extraordinary. I mean, I've never been around the people about whom I had so much admiration, and I could tick them all off from you, to Bill Moyers, to Harry McPherson, to Barefoot Sanders, to Joe Califano, to Jim Jones, I'm sure I'm just forgetting many, many, many members of the staff, but I worked with I think almost all the members of the staff at one time or another, and liked them, respected them, never had any problems with any of them myself, and of course I worked most closely with Marvin Watson, who is, you know, has asked me to write his autobiography, his take on Lyndon Johnson. By the time this is released, that book will have already been published, but say a few words about it anyway. Now, amazingly enough, you know, Marvin has never spoken to anybody in public. He's been very tight-lipped. He took very seriously the president's admonition that people work for him should have this passion for privacy or anonymity, I think was the word, but finally, three and a half years ago Marvin asked me, for some reason or other, if I would write his story, basically not his own autobiography, so much as his years with Lyndon Johnson, so it's more a book about Lyndon Johnson through the eyes of Marvin Watson than anything else, and it's a book I've been working on for three and a half years at St. Martin's Press will be publishing, and I've been very happy to do it because working with Marvin as closely as I did in the White House, he was, probably still is, a much misunderstood man, and he was, of course, excoriated by the press. And they couldn't get anything on Johnson, they'd often get on Watson even so many years ago. Here he is, Novak was still on television, even in the back of those years was writing nothing but nasty articles about Marvin Watson, so I think the time has come to try to tell the story if anybody is still interested in it about Marvin Watson, his relationship with the President, the work he did for the President, and the very intimately close relationship he had with both the President and Mrs. Johnson. Are you likely to write that yourself? Excuse me? Are you likely to write that yourself when you finish being his a menu insistent? I don't know. I can't think beyond this Watson book. Beyond this Watson book, the next project I have is my unfinished novel about my years that I went sailing around the world with my wife. Great. Okay, well does anything else occur to you that you would like to? Oh, I'm sure much will occur to me later, but I think I've taken enough time of you and the cameraman, Mr. Watson. It's been very productive. Well, good. Thank you, Sherwin. Thank you. Thank you.