 We are back at the House at Pugh Corner with Jim Hogue. That's me. And your guest for the second half of this interview is Conor Kelly, whose family obviously comes from Ireland. And he lives in Boston now. The first half we spoke about Tulsi Gabbard and her relationship, former relationship to the DNC and possibilities of her becoming a candidate. And we're both interested in seeing how that develops. And we spoke about the influence that Israel has over Congress and the states and municipalities throughout the country, which I find fascinating and a little depressing at the same time. So I think we can switch topics now to Assange and Syria and anything else that you want to bring up, Conor. But I do want to point out to our listeners this book, which doesn't seem to be on camera at the moment. Have you got it right? OK. The American Trajectory, Divine or Demonic, by David Ray Griffin. And I've reviewed some of his books. This is not one of the ones that I reviewed, but I'm reading it now. And like everything else, David Ray Griffin has written. It's important for you to read. It's accurate. And it gives a good picture of the ideal that Americans, most of them, thought of themselves as well-meaning, religious, and devoted humanists throughout the world, even though the people making the decisions knew darn well that that was not the case. And he takes us back through the 1800s, the war against the Philippines, which is mistakenly called the Spanish-American War, which is part of the fake news that I'm interested in myself, and right up through. So again, the American Trajectory by David Ray Griffin is a good read for you. So Conor, where do you want to start for the second half? I guess we're going to start with Julian Assange. Yeah. And his captivity for almost the last decade, for basically telling the truth, exposing the US government for crimes that's committed that they didn't want to be exposed. So number one, it's an attack on free speech. And number two, it's an attack on the Fourth of State that traditionally held by the media, which obviously, the US media these days is just propaganda for corporations and the death hole umbrella of war profteering and all that other stuff. And previously, before Bill Clinton passed the Telecommunications Act of 1996, I think the media in the United States, almost all of it was owned by 70 corporations. Since he passed that act, 90% of all US media is owned by six corporations. So that's six CEOs, maybe a few dozen chairmen, maybe a few dozen people on board that control all of the media every American, just about all the media every American sees. You have to seek out independent, reliable independent sources to get the truth. And to me, Wikileaks has been one of the most effective and reliable of kind of that old school media that the Woodward and Bernstein's, so to speak. They don't exist in America anymore. They're all just kind of spokespeople for the DNC, the deep state, whatever you want to call it. It's not news anymore. It's just propaganda. And it's the same with like Glenn Greenwald, who bought a good reporting, I think, and stuck in Brazil because he's fearful of living in the US and reporting hours reporting. So it's a really horrible situation for real journalists these days who want to explain to the people what their government's doing. I mean, the same thing happened to Edward Snowden. He risked his life in his career and faced to Russia because he gave the United States people access to the information we pay for with that knowledge. He gave us that information and led us to figure it out, do with it what we wanted. And what happened was the mainstream media smeared him. The US government put out a warrant on him, so he's now living in exile in Russia. And Julian Assange basically stepped that whole kind of whistleblower, deep state whistleblower kind of operation where the governments aren't telling you the truth, so somebody's going to get in there, get the facts, and get them out. And that terrifies the world hegemony of NATO, the US, Israel, and England. They're partners in New Zealand, Australia, England, New Zealand. I think they're all part of some little surveillance network or whatever it is. So I don't know. I think Julian Assange is an exceptional person. And obviously, he's very strong-willed, strong-minded. I mean, to be locked in a building for seven or eight years must be just mentally destroying him. Now he'll not be able to go outside and stuff like that. It just amazes me. And it's all just because he told the truth, which is horrifying to me. Well, one of many things that did disappoint me about Trump is that when he was confronted in a public meeting about, can you help Assange? And he says, well, I don't really know anything about him. Well, Assange is the guy who gave us all the information that Trump needed to criticize Hillary. Exactly. So where is Trump going with this? I don't really know who he is when, arguably, he's the most important person on the face of the earth. If he's so important that he could swing the vote, Seth Rich and all of that involved, if he's the one who put out this information, which is perfectly correct, nobody's ever said it wasn't true about Hillary's deal. No, never. Cory, he's never. Rejected story ever. I had to retract the story. I'm sorry. Say that again. WikiLeaks has never, ever had to retract story in the whole time it's existed, so. Yeah, certainly the most accurate. And he just lays out the facts. That's it. And if you were to just look at them, your jaw would drop because it's so different from what you get from the mainstream mainstream and the alternative mainstream, like somebody like Amy Goodman. Yeah, vice or whatever, stuff like that. She has these limited hangouts where she's not allowed to talk about some things and she is allowed to talk about other things. Yeah, yeah. So what do you think are the most important things that Julian Assange has given us? Certainly, he basically opened up the Pandora's Box of Secrets of the DNC. And I think that was huge. Even though it appears to me that a lot of Hillary supporters, especially, have simply refused to read them, even though Hillary herself and the DNC has to have to confirm their accuracy, because you can't fake those emails. Like apparently there's some electronic number attached to every email, kind of like a fingerprint. So they came from these accounts, the Podesta emails. I mean, it just, it exposed the US quote unquote democracy for the farce that it is. And I think it opened a lot of people's eyes to the fact that no matter who, and it raises me to that really only, you know, most Americans only get involved in politics once every four years, which is outrageous because the corporations and lobbyists are involved in every election community, you know, region, state, and otherwise. And you know, most people only wait for presidential elections. And that just, I mean, it just boggles my mind. It may be as a state governor, you know, something like that. But other than that, it just feels like people are, you know, are just more concerned with the bread and services, rather than, you know, they all know they have problems. But due to the mainstream media, you know, if you have problems or something happens, it's your fault, you know, you screwed up somehow, they blame the victims, we're all victims of our government. As U.S. citizens, we're all victims of our government. So they're playing the blame the victim card and nobody's calling them on. I mean, who is going to call them on? Basically, all you have people like Julian Assange, because everyone else in that media bubble is going to play by the party line, you know, they're just going to keep following the party line. So nothing's going to be accurate. It's going to be, you know, pulled and has to be repeated until enough people get it. And they might say something offhand on like one, you know, whatever an episode of 60 minutes or something. And then that's it, you never hear about it. And just, it's a really sad situation these days that, I mean, the number of civil rights that have been stripped from us with like the Patriot Act and then Obama's NDA, which is amazing to me because he's a constitutional law professor and he basically did away with Habie's corpus, you know? Like he made it OK for the president of the United States to assassinate American citizens based on intelligence from the CIP, which is a thing, you know? Like he has the power, you know, of a king, you know? And as soon as that happened, I said, you just wait until there isn't some sweet talking, you know, former constitutional law professor in the Oval Office. And then you talk to me and then you tell me this is a good idea. Little did I know it was going to be the very next election and the very worst person, you know, that was coming to office to prove that theory right, you know? Like, and so it's just, I mean, yeah, there's nothing more than I could say that it's a sad situation that the greatest reporter and probably in the world right now is sitting in an embassy for, so he's not, so he doesn't have to go to prison for the rest of his life. I mean, he's basically in a prison now, but at least, you know, as long as this goes on, like, you know, though the US government will start to back off, hopefully, and, you know, but from Trump's reaction, maybe not. And then if a Democrat, like a deep state Democrat gets in, they're obviously not going to get out of any breaks. But there's a worldwide movement to try to, you know, free him at this point before the Venezuelans cave into the American demands. Yeah, exactly. But one other thing that I wanted to mention was that you talked about the uniformity of mainstream media. And one thing that's really funny is when somebody captures around the country, they capture the headlines and the first sentences and the whole sentence that somebody says in, you know, Oshkosh is the whole sentence somebody says in Bangor, Maine, it's the line that you have to say and word for word, the whole thing all over the country. So that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that some higher power is telling these local people exactly what to say. And, you know, you would expect they're all going to have the same story to some extent. But to have it literally word for word is kind of humorous. Yeah, it all comes from those six CEOs that own 90% of the media in this country, you know? Well, my heroes, you know, they're working together. They want to say they all have the same interests. So, you know, it's going to be pretty uniform. My heroes tend to be- The old buyers and box crews, you know, and stuff where they just, you know, just kept people worked up about social issues and stuff like that. But yeah, anyways, you were saying the heroes- My heroes tend to be whistleblowers. And so I'm talking about Binny. You've seen them, maybe the interviews with Binny and Steele and I don't know, going back further, you've got Ray McGovern and then there's Greenwald and Snowden and these people know going in. And by the way, I've interviewed Daniel Ellsberg as well. Yeah. So you're being interviewed by the same guy who interviewed Daniel Ellsberg. Oh, that's the biggest problem. So, this history of whistleblowing is an alternative history to the United States. It's an alternative history to what they tell you in the mainstream media. And so what Daniel Ellsberg said then turned out to be 100% true. What Binny is saying now is probably 100% true, but nobody gets to hear what he says. And that's a CIA whistleblower. Ray McGovern, the same thing. Whistleblowers from, you know, NASA's space program, all of those people are silenced. And the history books don't report what they have said, even though it's true, the history books tell the story that the deep state wants them to tell. But we can't just blame the deep state because people get it in their heads. It becomes a legend. And if you go against the myth and the legend, you can't sell your textbook. The states and the school just say, what? Osama bin Laden didn't do 9-11? Heresy. Well, I think personally, anybody who thinks Osama bin Laden did 9-11 is really missing something up here. It's not only instinctive, but all the evidence now has come forth against his being the fine mover in 9-11. I mean, all the Mossadeh Arabians, you know? The what? Just about every single one of the Mossadeh Arabian. Every single one of the, you know? The people were Saudis. But now there's the big question on what planes did what? Why did the planes disappear? You know, correct me if I'm wrong, but planes don't disappear. And buildings, if they're attacked asymmetrically, they can't fall symmetrically. It's just a physical impossibility. And so all these buildings that fell, they fell symmetrically, even though they were supposedly hit asymmetrically. And that's a physical impossibility. So all of these things put together are never going to become like the assassination of Kennedy. These things are not going to be in the mainstream history books. And I find that rather depressing. And again, you go back to the war against the Filipinos. It's the same thing that it was a Spanish-American war. Well, it wasn't Spanish-American war. The Filipinos kicked the asses of the Spanish. The Filipinos had already won the war. So the US comes in and claims the Philippines as its own and calls it the Spanish-American war. I'm oversimplifying, but that's what happened. So these lies kind of bother me. And it's getting easier and easier to tell them, even though people like us are out there waving our arms around and saying, hey, dumbass, that's not what happened. But we keep at it. We keep trying to bring actual facts. And that's back to Assange. We couldn't do it. We couldn't do it if it weren't for Assange. And the mainstream knows that. And that's why he's locked up in an embassy. It's because he brings out the truth. And they can't tolerate that. Same with Snowden. Same with Greenwell. Greenwell lives in, I think, Brazil. Yeah, it's Brazil. Now. And James Corbett is in Japan. The people who bring out the truth are not that many of them that I know of are in the United States. I mean, they're risking everything for pretty much no reward. I'm sorry, I lost that. They're risking everything for almost no reward. So it takes a real patriot and real citizen and someone with real integrity to do that kind of thing. Yes, absolutely. So back to Syria. We all got a big kick out of how Trump finally did what the left wanted him to do. And then they start running around like chickens with their heads cut off because he actually did it. Yeah, exactly. So I've interviewed over the years on my radio program several experts on Syria. And I admit it's extremely complicated. But there are parts of it you can simplify. And the Israel stealing the Golan Heights, that's perfectly OK now. It's simply Israel. End of story. Can't talk about the Golan Heights stolen from Syria. But if I were Syrian, I would remember that. Yes. And just as it is. World War II pretty much was supposed to end the idea of militaries going to other countries and basically stealing territory. It was supposed to end that. But obviously those things don't happen. When they want to do it, they do it. That's what hegemony is. What's the world hegemony is. That's why they have it. And that's why the media doesn't tell that story because it's not meant to be told. From their point of view, that's not the story to be told. The story is, well, now the story is, oh, we need to protect the Kurds. It's like, well, that wasn't what was going on. Before it was the white helmets fighting Assad, who was gassing people. Now I'm under no illusions that Assad is a good guy or anything like that. But the Syrian people elected him. And then there was an insurrection. And I read an article recently that has been established that the deputy prime minister or somebody in the intelligence community in Israel finally admitted that they were arming the opposition in the Syrian war. They finally admitted. So it's like, and again, back to Tosi. Yeah, but she was the only one who went there to check it out. And she goes, the US forces don't belong here. We don't believe this isn't our fight. And I think she also realized that the opposition or the, quote, freedom fighters were terrorists who were being armed. And we already made, we make that mistake constantly. We do it over and over again. We armed terrorists to change a regime. And then the terrorists turn around and do something to us. You know what I mean? Like, it's like, we armed them. We train them. And we don't expect to, you know, suspect the dog to turn around and bite you. You know what I mean? But I think that was the big thing with Syria that it's actually come out. And I was surprised that it came out. But when someone in a government position admits to something, kind of have to report it. And so it finally came out that Israel has been arming the, personally I call them the insurrectionists in Syria. And now that, and Syria finally chased them out of there and people couldn't be happier. They were preventing people from getting water, from getting food, from leaving war-torn areas. And now these people are free to move around and get the help they need, the aid they need. And you know, it's complicated. And a lot of the stuff in the Middle East goes back centuries. These kinds of feelings of revenge and, you know, this is mine, you know, this isn't yours. And so you got to tread lightly in that region. And we're kind of just all dozing through it. You know what I mean? So I was just reminded of a quote by Mark Twain. And I'll get it wrong. But the difference between a savage and a civilized person is that the savage has to give up whatever the civilized person wants without a fight. What a brilliant, brilliant way to put it. And here we have the news I just heard yesterday was that Israel is now bombing a section of Syria. And they warned Syria not to stop it, not to shoot down the planes that are bombing them. Not to defend their own. Have you heard that story? I have not, I have not. But yeah, that's what they do constantly. They say like, don't say we're gonna attack you and don't do anything back, we're just gonna get work. You know, same with Gaza. Like they're always saying people are using hospitals and schools as shields. Gaza is the most densely populated area on earth. You cannot fire a gun or a rocket without standing next to a kid or being near a hospital or, you know, or being near a school. It just can't, you just can't do it. It's an excuse for slaughter. And going back to Trump moving the embassy from Tel Aviv to Israel, he did that on Israel, basically Israel's Independence Day, the day the country was founded. And obviously there were protests and the IDF went in and started, you know, shooting protesters and gas grenades and all that stuff. I mean, you know, I thought to myself, could you imagine if on the 4th of July we went to like Native American reservations and shot tear gas and started shooting people, like to celebrate the 4th of July. I was just horrified by that whole situation. I didn't know about that. Yeah, yeah. There was this big, there were protests by Palestinians because the embassy was being moved from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. And they obviously have holy sites in Jerusalem that, you know, they respect and stuff like that. And now that the Israeli embassy, or the Israeli United States embassy in Israel is now in Jerusalem, it's giving basically a troll of Jerusalem to Israel and the United States. So they were protesting that, not violently. They were gathered together, you know, along the Fenton borders where they're not allowed to leave. And then, you know, and the IDF just started firing and shooting gas. The Palestinians were trying to hit gas grenades back in tennis rackets. It was a pretty, yeah, I think somewhere like, it might have been highs, a thousand people were killed that day. Okay, well, we have to wrap it up. And don't forget, folks, the American soldiers that were conveniently shot just at the right time in Syria. We didn't talk about that. All right, your guest has been Connor Kelly. This is Jim Hogue at the House at Pugh Corner. And this will be posted at the Orchid site on YouTube and locally and hopefully on my site, which is the House at Pugh Corner. Thank you very much.