 Hey everyone welcome to the very first episode of the questioning podcast where we look at how the process of questioning can influence not only our own lives but also the lives of others. And today I have a very special guest in my first episode which I'm very excited to have so that's Raymond Moringa. Yes. Got it. Yeah. Of the Dreamers Association. From the Dreamers Association. Yeah. And I won't say much about it because you're here so you can have an opportunity to tell more to the audience about what it is. Okay. But the few words that I thought about introducing it is it's a project which is making a real difference in Kenya. Yeah. So we'll get into many areas for various questions but before we head into the questions So how would you introduce the person to what is the Dreamers Association? The Dreamers Association is an association, a benefit, a profit association which helps children and women in Africa. So I created this association but I passed a very hard life and I I want to give opportunity to the students and women so that they can have a bright future in their life. Yeah. We had a chance to talk to each other a couple of times and I read a bit about the whole project. Yeah. So there's a and I also read about your story which is a very interesting story too so I'm sure we'll have to check that as well. But one of the things which in a way shocked me but also when I thought about it I realized it kind of makes sense but that was the fact that you mentioned your story that in Kenya a lot of families don't see the importance or don't recognize the importance of education. Is that true? Yeah. Yes, back they didn't know the importance of education. Right now I can say the majority of the big number of Kenyans wants to send their children to school. But the problem is how, you know, they are poor, they don't have money to send their children to school. That is a big problem with them because even it costs that's why I can say that they don't see because they don't have the money to pay for their school fees so it's like if they don't have money it's like their children will be at home, they won't go to school. So that is what my thoughts were. Why should the children stay at home if they have the rights for education? So I decided to create the Dreamers Association. Yeah. Before we get more into the Dreamers Association just to look at your own story so it makes me very happy to hear that so it seems that education is becoming more recognized in Kenya but when I read your story that was a while ago yeah actually the case in your family wasn't like that so how was it? Yeah okay I've been living in a very difficult situation in my life it wasn't that good you know because even my education was a problem because my parents had no money to send me to school so it was like during my primary education it was like I go to school during the holidays I have to go and work to get school fees so it was very very very hard so I didn't even complete my studies you know because when I completed in 2003 I completed my primary education I have to join a secondary school so because in Kenya we have 84 for education system it's like you have 80 years of primary education you have four years of secondary education and then you have four years for university so I completed my primary course my primary education I enrolled myself with secondary school but in secondary school you pay more or than what you are paying in primary school so it was like during my holidays I have to go to work and get the school fees but I couldn't get a good job to make for my payments for the whole four years so I just enrolled myself for only two years and then I broke from school I didn't I couldn't continue my studies so it was very very I didn't like it I didn't like because I wanted to study because I was looking forward I wanted to become someone yeah so it's not my wish that I broke from from my studies so my parents will not help me so I didn't have any otherwise I I broke from school and then this was all I started searching for a manual job that's a manual job with all the skills it's very difficult so it's like you are doing the hardest job but what you get in return is just something it's a bread for the it's a daily bread it's just for the day then tomorrow you have to go again so it was very very very hard to me yeah taking a bit more time again with your story I'm just trying to figure out what it was because it's so different from how I grew up most people around me grew up it's almost a different world but so in terms of education it almost sounds like it was your initiative to to to go to school or did your parents encourage you to go to school so how did initially how did that initially happen okay at first I wanted to go to school though even our parents didn't see the importance of going to school but my thought was to go to school to study to get education it's like I had my okay my neighbors I saw them my childhood who are going to school so it's like I got motivated to go to school so because I saw them others who are who are having a good job so I said no I should be someone to change my family because we are in a poor poor poor situation so I said it is myself I should work hard to struggle in life so that I can change my family yeah that's I was motivated to go to to have the education so I wanted really to go to school yeah I find that so incredible and on two levels and one is as I mentioned this this podcast that I'm just starting I call it the question podcast then we don't have to focus on the the word questioning that much but but I'm fascinated by how sometimes it's important to not take things for granted and to sometimes ask so is this the right way or could this be better and one thing which is interesting for me is that when I look at well I come up from I come from Europe first world world country and although Lithuania my country it was behind comparably but still it's it's yeah it was a good life and but the school myself and my friends I would 90% of us if not more would feel like ah we need to go to school I hate school I don't want to go to school now we would take it for granted we wouldn't appreciate it because we'd be like why are they forcing us to go to school we wouldn't see the value behind it although I did see it eventually as I grew up I was like oh it's good I know how to read and this but we take it first for granted but for you the situation was very different yeah my situation was different because it's like here I have seen I've been traveling for some other countries I've seen how you live maybe in Europe you know how that because it's like yourself you you awake in the morning you can even open a fridge and things are there yeah so in Africa it's not that we are we still have a problem of searching for the storm you know daily so it means that if I have something to eat today maybe tomorrow I don't have so it's a it's continuous and daily so it's it's very different from here so because here you can get most of things but in Africa it is very hard so if it is a big problem if you don't have something to eat and you don't know where you're going to eat it to get it so that's why it motivated me to to to to in studying in studies yeah but again the motivation which was the second thing that passed me came from you like because I'll just very quickly say again in the world that I grew up in the environment my parents would have to force me to go to school you have to learn and then me and my friends would be like no we don't want to learn and and it's crazy yeah it's crazy we have a lot of children's and in Kenya in Africa the most part of Africa because that it's like that all poor you know so we have a lot of children's they need education they really need their education the problem is that on how yeah how maybe they go they want they are more interested to go to school but the problem is that how they don't have money yeah to continue so that was my thinking so I came if I can create something I can get a support from well wishes from friends I can help I didn't go to school but still I can help someone to get where she or wants you know so that's one my thoughts and I said no I have to do something because if you won't take a step then nobody would take it will take the step so if I I want I see that there's that difficulties I see there's some problems if you don't take a step it means that the problem will be always be there yeah so this why motivated me and say oh it's okay if I didn't have the fortune for education but I thank God that I have the brain to think even for the other students that I can make them to have a bright bright future so I'm always thinking I'm saying the world should be equal everyone can every child should get whatever his he or she is right for so I am very eager to sooner or later go to move to the dreamers association yeah but just before to finish getting a whole picture of your own story so you mentioned eventually have to quit school yeah go to manual manual work and but what happened next like did you like what how how did the gap between that and the dreamers association happened okay it's um it's like when I I dropped out of homeschool I started looking for um for some manual jobs and um I struggled to do that job because you know even in life you have to struggle if you you want something you have to work for it you have to put all your efforts in it so I said it's okay I have to I have to be myself and do something with the little skills that I have with the little knowledge that I have but I should live in this world the world is very hard but I'm born in this world so I should be myself and struggle to make it in life so I did a lot of manual jobs like I was cycling like a bicycle with sacks of checkers you know to send like to go like 30 kilometers to sell them so this was the job that I called half with without scales you know so I did this job and I remember a friend of mine came to me and said that if you are interested there's a job you can train somewhere and I said what's that and I said it's um to be a cook in kitchen yeah and it was like the hard job that I'm always doing and I can be somewhere but the first question I asked was so what do they need experience maybe education level and he told me that I can do I could do with my education of primary so I took a first step to go there so I went to the it was an hotel and I got the chance so they offered me the chance and they said I can train to be a cook so that's why that's where I started my my training yeah and I trained there for two years without any pay yeah okay it's like it was difficult because I didn't have any pocket money I didn't have money to spend but what was maybe good to me it's the hotel was offering like everything breakfast lunch and dinner because it's like I was to work eight hours in that hotel but I asked the manager if I can work the whole 12 hours during the day but it was no we you have to work eight hours but he didn't know what I want but I wanted to stay there even more longer but I can have even that dinner there yeah so it's like a treat but I wanted it to to train for 12 hours instead of eight hours but what I looked to myself was to have the breakfast lunch and dinner there yeah okay I stayed there for two years and then I got my certificate of being a cook and they first said they offered me a contract of six months I worked there with them for six months and then low season came because in Kenya we have a low season meaning that it's we have the season which tourism season and we have a season like we don't have a tourist so that season all hotels are being closed waiting for the other season so I worked there for six months and then we closed the hotel and we went home so the six months that I was working there I tried to to save so that I can have some money to spend up to when they open again or maybe I can use what I have saved for two such other other jobs so I went away from there but I had a certificate that was a little a little stair that I had there so I said looking for other jobs somewhere else with my certificate and because I was a cook you know in Kenya the place that I stay in Watamu we have a lot of private houses so in these private houses actually if they built the first person they need is the cook yeah so I got a job in a private house which are Italian and I started working with them and I was a good cook so they liked my service so it's like they took me as a permanent there so it's like oh we have a job now though the payments was not all that good but it was it was it was something yeah it was something so I worked there for some years and then they sold that place and I had no job again but I have to find to find another one so it wasn't finding another job it wasn't so hard because with the visitation they were visitors always some visitors visitors coming there so they knew me so when they sold that place it's like we know you you we know your service so if they sell that place you can come to our place to work there so it wasn't so so hard for me I got another job and that job was that place who are using to bring some guests to stay there it was like a holiday holiday home so one day some visitors came there and they liked me they said that you are a very good person yeah so we have a job somewhere we can offer you and say what job is that so you can work in our country where in switzerland so that is the beginning of coming in switzerland yeah with these friends of mine they paid you everything that I came through their country and I got a job in switzerland so in switzerland in switzerland I started to think yeah I don't know but if it's nature if it's god then he or she should be very wonderful person because from nowhere I rose up to this this step so I have to do good even to other people yeah so because it's like now I can open my fridge everything is there I sleep in a good bed and when I was a small boy you know I I put it on shows when I was 15 years so it's like I was working for 15 years I worked a bear legs a bear legs you know without shoes now I have something so myself apart from dreamers association I have like 10 children that I'm paying school fees with my own money yeah but the children are many that's why I decided to create the association so that I can get some friends I saw we can help them in a good number yeah and then what I think what I think is if we have to change something it's not you have a problem if I give you money I haven't helped you and I should see what the problem is and to help you to come out from that problem that should be a good help so I decided not to give people money but I decided if it's education if it's a poverty we can reduce this poverty or we can end the poverty if we shall educate the children because we assure that if we educate them they'll get some jobs and they'll change their lives they'll change life of other generation coming generation so that is why I'm sticking in education and I know I believe in 10 years what shall be have changes in it yeah I really like that that you're focusing on the long-term change yeah because you know so many people they like it's often I don't want to be too hard on that but sometimes people when they do some projects which are supposed to help others often it's a little bit more about themselves yeah you know where it's like I want to feel good now so let's you know buy a tv for that family or something and it doesn't change anything besides I mean maybe a little bit but there's no permanent solution but that's a quick solution where I feel good I did something like there's an interesting story I personally experienced when I used to go sometimes to orphanages yeah yeah in Lithuania and I would talk to children there and I would try to motivate them and I learned from other people around that initially I thought maybe I should go during Christmas time and one adult told me don't go then I was like why not and apparently because the children they hate Christmas time because everybody suddenly decides to go visit them then you know everybody brings them gifts and they come in and the children they just get tired they're there there's too many visitors for them in such a short period no okay and they ask even the children asking themselves like why can't those adults just you know separate the times and come come throughout the year rather than come through this short period of time but that showed me that so many times people are focused on the quick feel good solution it's like I will come to Christmas during Christmas I will feel good and I will feel like I made a difference but nothing is going to change yeah but but the permanent solutions most of times they're the long ones they're the ones which you don't get you maybe get some glimpses of ah this is nice this is happening but you need patience and you need time and but those are the ones which will change so all of that said that's why I'm very excited about what you're doing thank you well thank you and and another yeah it was good so and another thing which I wanted to bring up in regards to that is you mentioned if that's okay it's not in record but we don't need to mention names or anything but but you mentioned you worked in a similar organization in in in certain way yeah where they're trying to make a difference in Kenya specifically right yeah but you saw flaws behind their method which inspired you to do your own thing so can you tell about that okay you know um we have a lot of organizations that are going to Africa to help okay they have the name that they're helping yeah and they're helping but on how how are they helping you know it's like um if I come you have a problem you don't have you don't have food I give you a packet of flower a maize flower you are going to spend it and that's all you know but if maybe you have a land and they want to help you I will help you to do the agricultural so that you will get a lot of fault this is how we should focus the things yeah but it's not that I come here I help you in a just a day and then that's all right that's not it's not a help yeah so what I am trying to look is um how will I finish the poverty how will I end the uh the how to call it them um not having food is an example so in this I thought of we don't we now the weather in Kenya it's like um we don't we don't understand because many years that we have our um our ancestors they're like on March is going to rain but now if we are waiting for March raining the rain maybe comes on June so we have a climate changing so we cannot stay there and hoping it will rain and it might not rain so what should we do on this that's why we brought in the dream as association we we brought them the windmill to do some boreholes so that we can do irrigations so so if we have the irrigation system which we shall not wait for rain we shall have water for irrigation so what I'm trying to look is that what is the what is the help that we can manage that people want to be staying there doing nothing we can do something to get something you know so as I have told you we um we have to look the roots of the thing so that we can pull it up and make sure that we use it you know we are reaching um in maybe in even our soil is good but the problem is if I use my hands manually to to do agriculture and just do a small place you know but we have the tractors because at the rhythm as association once I even we have a project so to do them the farming but we want to help people if people and I don't they don't have food but if we do the farming and agriculture we shall be helping people we want to start with the maybe 25 people families to to dig for them with tractors like it's like an acre that says 70 times 70 that is an acre so every family we give it an acre we plug them with them the tractors we give them maybe the seeds we help them for irrigation and we understand that all of this process they'll have more food so if they have food we shall have helped them so it's not like I give you something to eat to the end and so yeah it's a permanent solution again I really like that approach and as we had our first meeting here in Lithuania I mentioned to you the the metaphor that I liked for a long time I think it's a metaphor from Confucius the Chinese philosopher that give a man a fish and he will not be behind me for a day teach him at fishing and he will that is it you know a long time yeah and I consider that it's kind of I see like your superpower and we kind of spoke about that too that you've been on both ends like maybe again I don't know many I haven't had the personal contact with many of these projects but I had some connection with some projects and usually they're like what we discussed before they're a bit superficial they try to help but they don't always know how to or sometimes they just want to look like they help but but your superpower is that or that's how I call it that you've been on both ends you've been in that situation you know it's from the inside out and so a solution to see for you a solution is it's much more clear yeah so so that I think that's brilliant opportunity and quickly before I forget to ask so you mentioned some of the solutions you're looking at could you name more because I know there's more that you're doing with the association so there's a digging wells digging wells then irrigation irrigation okay we have the farming we have we have the education we want to set even we have a project even for the medication you know we have a lot of children are dying younger and what they miss is the proper medication so we want to set even this to make sure that the people have the access in medicine in medicines so our project is like we wanted to talk with a hospital all those because we are doing even the adoption in the sponsoring of children's so in this project we have a direct help from the sponsor to a child and we are asking them to pay 30 euro or 30 swiss francs in a month and this money are used to pay school fees and it's used to pay two meals a day at school so that sounds almost crazy to me like did I get that right so 30 euros per month covers food every day plus education is that yeah okay yeah the 30 euros that the sponsor is paying right cops for the the school fees cops for the two meals a day for a month for a month yeah for a month and the first medication this means that the child is at school he feels sick we have a first aid for them so the teachers are to take the child to hospital and money is there to pay the first the first medication so if so that's included in yeah yeah it's included the problem if maybe he continued to be to be sick or maybe this first medication has not worked we have to send him or her to a other hospital to for a further medication this the problem comes because the money that we have set is for first first aid first medication but we always do this if the child is maybe sick we have paid for the first medication and he needs some other medications we are talking for the with the sponsor if he is or she is willing to pay something else then it's okay if it he or she can't that comes the problem sure yeah so we in this we have been saying maybe we shall find some sponsors that we in association if we have yeah big sponsors if in association we have we have a cash maybe some people or some companies are finding us we have the cash so it means that if they even a child needs a further medication we have the money so the money are going to use to medicate the child yeah you know i i like that system so much i'm almost curious i don't want to get astray i'm almost curious how did you get come to that idea but but what i wanted to praise you on is so part of what i like investigating is how the human mind works and psychology and human behavior thank you social scientists and and and then when i look at yours like what's so attractive about this this method that you set up i feel sometimes when you donate to some organization like even like it's been a while since i saw the the the commercials of specifically in africa they're showing like the wells are being dug or something and you can send money and it feels like again it's a one-time payment or like i send this five euros and something happens somewhere or something and i i feel like i did it and i'm done but here there's much more of a personal relationship like because if i understand so you're specifically supporting a single child uh that that you know do you choose the child or do you get randomly or we don't choose the child because we have many child that the children that um they need help right so we have we normally have a list with the students like right now we have um 32 children sponsored but we have we have still a long a long list sure yeah so we don't we don't it depends with the numbers that we have given so it comes like from number one to maybe 100 so we are taking that yeah well still what i like a lot is that there's a personal connection there's and there's a continuation that you know and i would imagine and i would guess that you can even see maybe the achievements of the child like i'm sure yeah if you're a sponsor probably you get to know like oh he went to school today or he got the books and he got that like like you can really feel you're really making a direct difference and and you have a follow-through versus you send the money and somewhere and maybe something even we have uh we are saying every sponsor has a right because in kenya we have um we have a in a year we have three times it means that from january to april then they go for from they stay at home for whole day for one month and then they repeat three months then yeah one one month at home so it's like if they're ending them they the first time they're doing examination so there is some results a report that comes so we are we always sending them the reports to the sponsors so they know they always looking at the children how are they going on yes call it you know we are sending them pictures always pictures we can they have even um a direct contact if maybe i'm in kenya i can call them with what's up video and talking to them yeah so we have a direct um a direct contact with this this chart yeah such a brilliant idea i'm just i just cannot go without asking like what inspired you to specifically come up with this type of structure like system okay what inspired me most is um is how i see or how my life has been you know as i have passed a very hard situation um it inspired me that even even other people have the right to do something of something you know in this world so it's like um i form this association then i look for the sponsors even the sponsors they have the right to know what is happening with this then so if you are you are you sponsor a child and you have a direct contact you are sure you're 100 sure that the boy or the girl is going to school you are sure that your money is not going to last you you are doing you are really doing something and maybe tomorrow you have funding you have a sponsor this child and uh in 10 years he becomes maybe a lawyer right you are proud of yourself maybe you are going to see the child yeah the king of it yeah that's just yeah that's amazing and uh because that's one of the reasons again why uh just this is the questioning part yes i will bring the questioning sometimes then uh sometimes when when i would see the the kind of the traditional model of seven five euros or this or for that i sometimes i would do that but oftentimes i would feel i wouldn't feel i would feel cautious about that because again as just as we've discussed you don't really know where the money is going to or yeah or or hopes always have this idea of i always feel like i want permanent solutions like that teach him teach a person to fish fishing versus give a fish and i would always feel well i can send five euros and and that's all have no idea what happened and feel and pretend i made a difference or i can just really try to make a difference but here you do send a certain amount of money but then you really feel and you see the difference so right away i can say that knowing more or less how your system works uh i'm like 99 percent sure that i want to become part of it at least already by starting by supporting a child so so what's what's the next thing i need to know or do so to do that how does it work okay the first thing is to be ready okay to to do it you know so it's like you know you want to do or you want to find the or you want to sponsor a child it's like yeah we have them we have our projects so it depends on you which projects you want to to fund so do you want to sponsor a child or do you want to to to fund irrigation systems or do you want to okay we have even you know i haven't told you that you know in kenya we have a very many talented children so we thought about this even we say we said okay why do we lose the talents of these children so we as dreamers we created um we want to create a center where all these talented children's will have access who um can come to that center if they are singers for example they want to to to sing they want to become singers we shall have some teachers so that they can follow them step by step to make sure that he or she becomes a singer this children because from singing we have we can create a job we have a lot of very famous singers and they and a lot of money so why should we lose these chances of these children we have some actors in Africa but the problem that they lose this talent because no one or nowhere they can go to assess or to learn more about that so the dreamers uh wants to set this center and it should be um it will be called um creation uh creation children's center it means that we shall be having the children they there shall be some teachers that they will follow them will then uh follow them uh systematically to up to when they will achieve their their goals so we have even these projects so if even someone wants to to to help um a child in a talent way because maybe uh he or he or that he knows how to sing he has the voice or he is talented in um in acting movies like like like that or he is intelligent in dancing so but you know the problem is that um we as a association without having maybe them the financially it is very difficult to bring all these talents up so we we are looking even the sponsors in this if maybe in this um we want to bring up this um these talents we have to get some sponsors even in this so that's what that's what i was explaining is i i i forgot to tell you before so first of all you become ready to to to sponsor for example you want to sponsor child what you need you'll just need is to the um it's a i'll be needing your contacts and this is a phone number email address and uh your address where you live because i need an address where you live because i'll be sending you some physical pictures that i'll take maybe from africa i send you directly i need your mails because maybe i'll be not able to maybe to send you the letters but i will i will write you some mails i'll need your number because we shall be in touch whatever whatever is happening in kenya i'll be informing you so the phone is very easy yeah so um this is the process so i get to um your your your address and um contacts are like that and then we we move forward yes yeah um out of curiosity and this includes myself and anyone else who would be interested to do that is there some type of a commitment that that you are bound to or is it flexible or we don't have any commitment because as i'm doing the things with my heart i don't force someone to do but i would just want him or her to feel that he is or she is helping so not any commitments yeah that's great as well otherwise it can be a bit scary you're oh my gosh you can't you know you never know how it's gonna end so it's a great so whenever i'm ready to do that i just send you the information yeah what about so we know each other so it's going to be easy for me what about people who are watching this and they're inspired to be part of the dreamers association okay all are welcome we have our our website page that is uh www.thedreamers.ch and we have our facebook page association the dreamers and we have even emails because we have even a booklet so i have we have even booklets so if you you want to get us you can get us whatever whatever is is there all the information is there in is it in english as well as because i know the primary language it's because you're based in it yeah your primary language is italian but is there enough english to get around yeah we are we have created some booklets in english i have some here even yeah so yeah yeah okay and the website is in english as well the website is in italian but i have not something because you know the one who did the website is italian you know he speaks italian so he couldn't do it in english but i have noticed that if you use the chromo yeah yeah i use that but we are looking forward to to to to put in even the english language in that website okay you should at least you're starting to get out there yeah uh yeah next question about that is so okay so but otherwise uh maybe i can leave or the or people can find your email on your website and just write to you directly with all the questions they have and yeah yeah yeah in one website or our facebook page we have our emails and yeah what else did i want to ask just think about what uh oh i i still have the at least the one word or two questions yeah before i i'll tell you remember is there anything you wanted that we bring up like any subject or or something to share or we just continue the conversation uh right now now here we can continue yeah so just okay yeah i remember okay so the crowdfunding one of the reasons why you're here in lithuania aside from and one before holiday is you're considering to start the crowdfunding this talk is probably going to come out in about three weeks two weeks so you know it doesn't come out like the next day so i'm not sure if something will be already set up or not but so what's what's the intention of crowdfunding so that one day that when it's there how what it's about and how people could get involved for the crowdfunding okay in the crowdfunding people they can they can uh donate their how can i say their finances to our dreamers association we welcome everyone every race even every gender is welcomed in the dreamers association we want to work together to the whole world so that we'll make sure every child gets his or her rights yeah so it will be set up sooner or later like a specific crowdfunding where people can just go online and yeah we'll be sending in next days we we shall we shall do it yeah so that comes up and so so slowly wrapping up to my last question and because i mentioned the key word for this podcast is questioning and one one more thing that was curious to ask you about yes there's something we discussed about it i know from general now that okay is that there's clearly there's obviously differences in the mentality of people in europe and people in african and yes one of them which we said yesterday is the akunda matata so i have ideas of what the answer might be but so i definitely want to hear right from the street from you now so what's when you look at the european culture and specifically you spoke about switzerland i lived in switzerland for a few years as well so i definitely know what you mean yeah people will tend to be quite conservative they're a bit called a bit distant probably different from what you're just thinking yeah so when you're when you're living let's say in switzerland uh and you're looking at the culture and the mentality and you're questioning like why are they doing this why are they why they're not doing that so what what are the main questions that come to you what what makes you question the culture that you feel could be the difference okay you know i'm grew up in african culture and during my my child period it was like you know we are in happiness in africa so the first thing is being happy if you want to live in a good way you should be happy yourself and i would like to tell you that even we are believers we are god-fearing peoples in kenya so we believe that maybe if i don't have something today god will provide for me tomorrow so i don't have to be be stressed in life i should be courage to know that everything happens i said for a reason for a reason yeah exactly for a reason so if maybe today i don't have something to eat god will provide for me tomorrow i shouldn't be sad or upset of these things yeah there are normal things which happen in this world so like me i've been without food for three days in my life without eating anything but i didn't lose the courage of living because the first thing is the life it's a precious because you won't you won't get it somewhere life is precious so if i'm good i have to show the happiness i'm in a culture that i see some people like greet them i'm being happy even if i don't have anything i'm being happy because the life that i have is precious it's wonderful it's great so i should be happy for that but if i come maybe in europe in switzerland i see people are very depressed why these four what these four we should be we should learn how to be happy because the first thing in your life is the happiness and the other things comes later yeah yeah yeah so i would urge everyone to be happy in this world you know and starting from that i think that's probably the last question like continuation of what you just spoke so so when you look at people specifically in switzerland but i think it's a good representation of many countries in europe yeah does is is it strange for you sometimes to see how much we have like abundance things you know sometimes i i make myself think about that and then just appreciate that wow you know we have electricity we have the heating obviously we have cold weather too but we have heating and nobody's that i know is starving it's just there's so much good things education is so accessible and we just don't appreciate yeah because that is that strange for you that is very very strange actually it's friend is strange because maybe it's like maybe let's say a child here he has everything maybe the things to play with as like cars and still needs a lot in africa these things are not happening maybe a child doesn't have anything have to to play with the sound they have to play with the like that but yeah a child has everything but still maybe keeping on asking for other many things coming to adults you have everything you guys here you know everything but the problem that i see with you is you are always depressed in this you're always upset i wonder why you know i always ask myself why if food is some you have a lot of food if you have everything you know what you need next it's crazy we don't have these things in africa but still we can we we share the love we we we we talk to each other we we love to each other but these things i don't see you you have everything but the happiness is not new this is the problem we are human beings and we should feel that everyone is important and it's like we have to share the love that god has given us to hear you say that and as i mentioned sometimes i make myself think about that and appreciate the things i have but it's but it's in our environment in our culture it's it's so uncommon that it's almost difficult to do but something that to put even more of a dot on what you said uh our mutual friends yeah through whom i know you and invited you here yeah i so haven't been to africa myself yet but i have the impression that she was absolutely right that when she went there she she saw that most of the people she met technically have way less things or access to opportunities but these then then us in europe but they seem to be more happy yeah and yeah that is exactly what happening you know in a good way but it's so interesting and if you like we could learn as a culture yeah we could learn from that that we should appreciate much more what we have and and share with those we don't have as much yeah again we're running a good project um so slowly making the final wrap with yeah summarizing i um so uh i don't want to force the the word too much i'm still getting used to this new podcast of the having the theme subject that's questioning yes so just summarizing and reflecting about everything we spoke and your story seems to me the way questioning influenced your life you questioned your education in your childhood you asked yourself why shouldn't i study and work for more and try to do more you questioned the traditional method of the kind of supporting projects yeah especially directed to kenya how they run things and the questioning of that inspired you to new and brilliant ideas and big change and yeah i think i think this is a your story and your project is such a great example of of how not taking things for granted and looking at how things can be improved brings can bring to wonderful big things yeah well good so thank you so much for spending your time i have a feeling this is not the last time we are on camera and record yeah it's not last time yeah thank you thank you so much