 I'll get a high off of just freaking people out. You have to figure out other ways to make strong art. How do you create something that's also new? There are a thousand rules you have to work within, and it becomes quite boring. Canyon, is there any point in doing an interview about painting? No. I did one really bad one hung over. They asked it like most bold over-the-top questions. What are your feelings about art? How do you think art is impactful? It's like, fuck, it's a domestic scene. All these different people in this exaggerated state that they might find themselves as the sun rises in Los Angeles at the after hours bar. What can you do with the figure? Like how can you change it? How do you create something that's also new? Or I know what a foot looks like. How can I develop a language to make it look like something I don't understand? Almost like a huge life-size coloring book. If I was going to render something realistically, there are a thousand rules you have to work within, and it becomes quite boring. And so you end up switching styles or switching this, but you're still working within those parameters. And I didn't want to do that. Painting should be fun. I grew up skateboarding, and I was such a thirsty little piece of shit. I'd land something, then I'd immediately want to send it to the rep at a company just so in your face about this idea of getting sponsored and creating a life around skateboarding. And I think that didn't work. It's good to be hungry, but I was not in a place where what I was doing was actually that interesting. If you're going to run a foot race, right? Do you want to just enter and lose? Or do you want to train up into the point where you have a chance of winning the race? These are all iPad drawings. And kind of the basis for maybe the next six months a year of my life. Now taking these paintings and holding them up next to my peers and holding them next to real great voices within painting and trying to find some kind of place for them to occupy. The problem is that if you are not going to be the spokesperson for yourself, who is? The first part is convincing yourself, I guess. Shopping my demo. Shopping my demo.